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Our Failing Disqus Experiment

I’m not involved in the tech side of RedState. I don’t have the skills or the interest to acquire them. On occasion, though, things chap my ass to the point where I have to speak out. This is one of them.

Unless things change in the next week I feel confident in proclaiming our use of Disqus as a commenting system a failure and I am not sure I would recommend anyone use it.

Without getting into all the promises that were made to us during the run up to the new design I will point out what I see as the major failings of Disqus.

1. There is a blithe disregard for the personal privacy of anyone who uses Disqus. In the past if someone wanted all my comments they would have to register on the site, log in, visit my profile, and copy my comments one by one. Their alternative was to use Google to search for my comments. While my comments were open to view, my privacy was protected as it took a substantial investment of time. Why do I care? Because comments, used out of context, can be made to prove anything. If  you think that using comments out of context isn’t a problem I encourage you to review what happened to Josh Trevino this week.

What Disqus does is give any other Disqus user the ability to “Follow” you. This means all of your comments, on every site you visit using Disqus, are aggregated for them. You do not have the ability to block “Followers.” So if someone is stalking you in the comments, every time you post a comment your stalker is notified.

Disqus refuses to acknowledge that the political blogosphere is populated not only by passionate activists but by a sizable cadre of vicious and stupid gits who think nothing of harassing your employer or SWATting you at home.

2. Apparently every Disqus user everywhere has the ability to rate comments Up or Down even if they are not RedState community members. Yesterday I sent a troll packing and got 14 “Down” ratings in just a couple of minutes. I’m fairly  confident those votes did not come from site members.

We all know what is going on here. The jerk offs at Daily Kos are used to rating comments down to make them disappear. That doesn’t work under Disqus, so far, but it is annoying. You can override what they are trying to do by setting your default to view comments in chronological sequence rather than by rating.

On the positive side, it keeps them from stealing hubcaps or molesting parakeets or whatever they do when they aren’t trolling us.

3. There has been a trend in comments being reported for Spam or Abuse when they are neither. Just this morning I removed about 15 comments, some from long time RedState members, from the Spam folder. Like I said, I’m not a tech guy and I don’t know how this is done what I do know is that it is unsatisfactory.

So right now, I would recommend that anyone who has a website and is considering using Disqus as a comments moderation platform give it serious second thoughts. There are good sides but for a high visibility political blog Disqus, as it is today, is a horrible tool.

COMMENTS

  • tngal

    I trust your judgement on all things you pointed out, Streiff. If a privacy issue arises there is a problem. The one thing I do like is that you can edit your post. But really, its not enough to make up for all the negatives.

  • M_Becker

    I’m not fond of not having the ability to include html – and images – in comments.

    Plus what you said.

  • PaladinLostHour

    Completely agree. If the endpoint of political blogs is unfettered exchange of ideas, Disqus is a massive fail on both, for the reasons Streiff has succinctly encapsulated above. About the best thing you can say for it, is that it’s not quite as bad the privacy jack as Facebook comments would be.

    What’s the sudden push for Disqus anyway…seems political sites across the spectrum are moving to it – RedState, NRO, and MediaMatters all switched off in house commenting to Disqus within the last two months.

  • PaladinLostHour

    Tngal, you’re right – the editing feature is useful. The downside there is folks can ‘unsay’ not just grammatical missteps, or something truly egregious, but arguments that are powerfully refuted. End state there is, the reader is left with half a conversation.

    Five year olds get it – “no takebacksies”. Why should adults get an escape hatch to be less cautious?

  • Ausonius

    Renny, TnGal, CommonSenseObserver, Streiff and others who have made litanies of the negatives have my support.

    RedState members are loyal: they do not want, I do not want, to leave the site, because there are very good comments and diaries by people who are not journalists, and who have at times BETTER ideas than the professionals. My own occasional diaries – I believe – offer things which none of the professionals at RedState would or could write about. The members also offer microcosms of things in their own locales which e.g. Mr. Erickson could not know about, and which therefore give RedState a flavor not found elsewhere.

    But there are limits: it seems that many suggestions throughout the past months and years for making RedState more user friendly have been ignored, and now things are more awry than ever. I wrote elsewhere yesterday that companies which ignore what their customers really want will ultimately fade away. Frustration with this Downgrade has produced fewer discussions and more problems.

    I would assume that the site receives advertising dollars based on the number who visit. Will the number really grow, given the difficulties embedded in the site in its present condition?

    More patience? Sure: as I wrote above, RedState members seem loyal. Some are privately in contact with me, and have written that they do not want to leave, but some are heading elsewhere to see where they might be able to express their ideas without the concerns raised by using Disqus and the without the obstacles in writing which RedState seems to offer almost deliberately, perhaps in a curious attempt to ask the writer: “Is this really worth your time? Is your ‘diary’ or comment really worth all this hassle?”

    Ausonius – Contact: Cato@rock.com

  • streiff

    there are a lot of good features about Disqus. Moderation is much, much easier using their Moderator’s dashboard. I can view complete comments, not just titles, as they come up and I can see the userid, email address, and IP. One click and I can see entire comment history and ban, if need be.

    My objection are 1. total disregard for user privacy in allowing anyone to follow you and you having no recourse and 2. allowing non community members to down rate comments and identify users as spam.

  • Bill S

    Which is *EXACTLY* why we have not allowed comment edits in the past.

  • streiff

    Indeed, in earlier versions of RedState where comments could be edited it was not unknown for people to completely rewrite their arguments once it was obvious they were misquoting policy, history, etc.

  • tngal

    Paladin, what do you mean when you say “unsay”? Are you talking about mods removing all or part of message? Or can anybody do that? I just meant if I type “yhen”, when I really meant to spell “when” I can fix it. Or if I want to suggest Streiff get someone to massage him with aloe vera to help with his butt chapping problem, I can slip that in without starting a new post. I think I’m so lost in this disqus thingy.

  • streiff

    what they mean is you could say the moon is green cheese, and when people pile on saying it isn’t green cheese you can go back and change your original comment.

  • westcoastpatriette

    Aaahhh…did not think of that. Sneaky, sneaky.

  • johnnyd

    I hate Disqus and only comment through yahoo. On the up side I have saved so much time that I was wasting on commenting to people that have no desire to debate and even think about being open to changing their minds when presented with the facts.

  • tngal

    Ah, I see the bigger problem now. But that’s just plain dishonest.

  • johnnyd

    I forgot to add Disqus follows you and keeps information on every site you go to. Who are they selling this info to? I was sick and tired of having my searches follow me wherever I go. it is getting worse all the time. I always log out after every post and use https://www.ixquick.com/ for my searches. This site does not record your IP and searches Google, at least that is what they tell you. How do you really know?
    Try using the “Display Collusion Diagram” add-on in Firefox to see what sites are tracking you on every site you go to, it is incredible where your information goes.

  • Ausonius

    Here is an example of the frustration: I just wrote a rather long comment, which seemed to have disappeared into hyperspace.

    I will restate: if the comment does eventually appear, my apologies.

    Those expressing frustration – the main term for the present situation at RedState these days – have my support.

    RedState members are loyal: they do not want – I do not want – to take
    our ideas elsewhere. The “diary” idea allows members to write about
    things which the professional journalists could not. My own occasional
    “diaries” offer – I hope! – a quite different perspective (often
    historical) and style from e.g. Mr. Erickson’s writings. The members
    offer insights and information about political microcosms which the
    professionals cannot offer.

    Our suggestions throughout the past months and even years for improving
    RedState’s word-processing seem to have been basically ignored. I have
    always had the impression that the difficulty is deliberate, as if the
    owners want to say: “Is this comment/diary really worth all the hassle?”

    Patience? Yes, all right, but there are limits! Some members have
    contacted me privately, appalled at the “Upgrade” (highly ironic
    quotes), dismayed by Disqus for reasons stated here in the comments, and
    frustrated in general. They are investigating other sites where they
    can express their ideas without frustration and concerns caused by
    Disqus.

    Yesterday I wrote elsewhere that companies which ignore what their
    companies want will fade away. I assume that RedState receives
    advertising dollars based on usage: will the use really grow after this
    ill-planned redesign?

    Things can always be improved: it is still not too late for RedState to rethink its redesign.

    Ausonius – Contact: Cato@rock. com

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Well, we can now post new diaries, but no one can find them…ho hum…we wait…

  • bassethound

    There is a lot of spam on Townhall. It would truly be a headache for non community members to identify Redstate regulars as spam.

  • westcoastpatriette

    I know, Mike. I wrote a test diary shortly after Erick announced we could now do so and it sits alone and neglected in cyberspace.

  • stevemaley

    We’re trying to answer that “If a tree falls in the forest…” thing.

  • http://hehasfailed.wordpress.com/ HopeHeFails

    I disagree from a user’s perspective. In fact, I frequent and prefer sites that use Disqus in particular because it makes it easy for comments using a common profile and I don’t have to go through a bunch of setup at each site (even though I was already a RedState member under a different name I switched to a disqus account I use now). Look at the useless comment system over at hotair… ugly list with no way to reply or sort or anything.

    Yes, the Disqus system is more open and you are going to get a lot more hit & run comments and trolls, but the upside is the community will begin to recognize the fools if you can put up with the flagging and spamming that will be heavy in an election run-up.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    ‘patriette, you would love my:

    http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2012/08/31/akin-breakin-hearts-of-media-pilers-on/

    Akin breakin’ hearts of media pilers on

    Remember way back in the old days of last weekend, when an immediately-apologized-for-gaffe by a conservative Republican pro-life, even in the case of rape, candidate for the U.S. Senate was selfishly putting himself before “the cause” by refusing to drop out of his race to deny Obamcare Democrat Claire McCaskill re-election, because it was “obvious” he couldn’t win?

    But now, less than five days later, in the Modern Post-Akin Era, lo and behold:

    Despite widespread assertions that Missouri Republican Rep. W. Todd Akin’s abortion remarks have made him a heavy underdog in the state’s U.S. Senate race, a Democratic-leaning polling firm released a poll Thursday showing him in a virtual dead heat with incumbent Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill.According to the survey by Public Policy Polling, Mrs. McCaskill has support from 45 percent of likely Missouri voters compared with 44 percent for Mr. Akin, a result that differs strongly from polls conducted last week by other firms.

    Cockstradamus, after last week’s polls, and before this week’s poll:

    In preparation for our Todd Akin prognostication we acknowledged the usual circular Republican firing squads say how high when the MSM/Dems say jump. Then we saw Rep. Akin for less than 15 seconds yesterday vowing not to drop out. There was something different about his vow than of those made by Trent Lotts wishing old men happy birthdays over the years.Akin will not drop out and we are finally going to get to see what happens when a conservative rides out a storm.

    Cockstradamus sees the calls for Akin to withdraw fading over time, the “issue” a rape-exception for abortion fading, and a reversion of the race to a referendum on the pro-Obama agenda voting record of the incumbent Democrat.

    Can you say Senator Akin?

    Get used to it and prepare to enjoy the sublime silence of his votes to repeal Obamacare, etc.Finally, we will get to see some MSM and Media Wizards of Smart myths debunked with the arrival of a conservative with the backbone to ride out the MSM end-of-the-world, fetish-of-the-week aka conventional wisdom that one is banished from polite company; period; paragraph, because the noses-in-the-air “experts of all parties and ideologies said so.Akin will win because McCaskill voted for Obama’s failed agenda that has caused and continues to cause so much economic suffering and because abortion in the case of rape, incest and the desire not have BMW payment anxiety remains legal via Roe-Casey judicial fiat.

    Cockstradamus now resumes his Azores Sabbatical until needed.

    PS Gamecocks beat Commodores last night to take SEC East lead.

    Mike DeVine

    “One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

  • MoeLane

    “Yes, the Disqus system is more open and you are going to get a lot more hit & run comments and trolls,”

    …which is not acceptable.

  • http://hehasfailed.wordpress.com/ HopeHeFails

    Just copy the original quote, wrap it in italics to show it was quoted.

  • tngal

    If a tree falls in the forest….somewhere, a lib starts crying. Or screams racist. Or something.

  • westcoastpatriette

    Will comment on original diary (to avoid threadjacking here).

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    But are you even less fond of Labor not in Camel-Not?

    http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2012/09/01/labor-not-in-camel-not/

  • inthecourseof

    I just want to point out that this whole community conversation is happening courtesy of Disqus’ technology.

  • 1stRichard

    I have always considered the most negative votes a badge of honor, thus I know I tweaked some liberals keister. I try not to use my full name, never put any personal information on FB and have hidden large rocks in my front yard to rip out the undercharge of anyone that tries to take out my lawn signs. I know my comments will be taken out of context, as this is the price we pay for entering this arena around here. My normal venue is arguing with Marxist college professors and ardent communist protesters, thus my comments may seem a bit odd for those accustomed to preaching to the choir. I know I am surrounded by a “cadre of vicious and stupid gits who think nothing of harassing your employer or SWATting you at home,” I am in W/Mass and it is much worse.

    However, I must thank you for pointing out that the rest of the world is not like this yet.

  • tngal

    Gamecock, how did you manage to get a diary sort of up. I wanted to do one on Akins’ recent poll numbers and saw everyone else having trouble getting the silly diary thing to work so I stopped. I was able to click on your link above and-viola-your diary. Priebus and other ne’re-do-wells were so short sighted on this issue. This is just one of a number of stories we missed during the convention. I miss the thing from the old site where we could write a semi perm footer that would be on all our posts. Mine would read AKIN LIVES

  • Michael M. Keohane

    Strieff : My big complaint is that Disqus often refuses to recognize my posts. I have the same problem with every site that uses Disqus.

  • kowalski

    So wait a minute…

    You’re saying that when Redstate switched platforms, it automatically created a Disqus account using my Redstate username without asking me first? Or did I do that by default when I signed in?

    I guess I saw the Disqus icon but didn’t realize the ramifications. I don’t like it, and I don’t want it.

    In fact, if I have to use Disqus to comment here, I’m going to delete my username.

    I’m using the Edit feature even though I agree with Streiff…I don’t want to be forced to comment through Yahoo! or Facebook, either. Part of the reason I liked Redstate was that the comments I wrote here were exclusive to Redstate and the community at Redstate. I neither want to use this blog nor will I continue to use it if I am forced to give up control over where, exactly, I am “posting to.” I don’t want it on Disqus’ servers. I don’t want it in Facebook’s cloud. I signed up for Redstate because I wanted to be a member of Redstate, not Facebook or Yahoo! or Disqus.

    This has been a big beef of mine with a lot of newspaper and other media websites that now force you to have these sorts of distributed logins. I don’t agree with it philosophically. I’m sorry to say that if Redstate forces me to do it, I will have to take steps to delete the Disqus account. Yeah, I know, some people will shrug: “Big loss for us, Kowalski. Don’t let the door hit you…”

  • George Neitz

    The only good thing I have noticed is the ability to adjust the font size easily it make it very convenient for my eyes

  • Tbone

    I use Disqus on the Telegraph UK and they have the ability to not increment reco’s from non registered users.

  • Tbone

    I want Akin to win just to pee on the legs of the Republican lynch mob. Of course, he is an ignoramus but most politicians are.

  • ohiohistorian

    I can go either way. I would like to have an APPEND feature rather than an edit feature, and a spell check would be nice in the edit box, but I think an append should have a time-date stamp.

    Disqus needs some improvement. A grammar check would also be nice, as there are people on RedState (including front page writers) who are not careful regarding grammar. This is a particular peeve of mine, because even several of the front page people don’t get expressions right. For example, “couldn’t care less” is the expression of indifference, “so fun” is not clear (so much or so little fun are the proper expressions), and some of the expressions that are used by authors are malapropisms. While I am not a perfect grammarian, I do try to use the King’s (not Obama’s:-{)) English properly to the best of my ability, and I will take constructive criticism well. One thing I don’t like is that right now I am typing under the Disqus
    bar that says XX new comments below, so I cannot see what I am typing
    and have to go back and correct. I suspect that is a setup problem of
    RedState, so I really can’t hammer on Disqus for that.

    What I especially like about Disqus especially is that I can write the comment, and then log in and post, instead of having to log in first. It is just my lazy nature to not want to go log in, have to transfer back to the page and the point where I want to comment (not sure about the new login, but the old one put you back on the front page, nor where you are reading) and then insert the comment.

  • ohiohistorian

    ??? I have done nothing special on Firefox and Disqus works fine for me. Can you explain by commenting below?

  • streiff

    Moe is exactly right. We moderators are volunteers. We don’t have the time to put up with the hit and run nonsense.

  • streiff

    Do you work there or something? That is not a very helpful or insightful comment. Last week our comment system was infinitely better without Disqus. Disqus was implemented to reduce the cost of scaling our commenting base. I’m not convinced that was a good deal.

  • acat

    I’ve been quite clear that Disqus was a poor choice. Neil mentioned that Red State is not using a “standard” implementation, but .. it’s not clear what “non-standard” means.

    As others have said, there are other comment management systems out there .. I’m not sure how well something like FudForum (http://fudforum.org/forum/) would scale, but .. it would certainly address the security concerns.

    I’ve tried to make this work .. but have encountered repeated “Disqus is taking longer than usual to load” errors among other issues.

    I’m also curious about who can see what with regards to my account. It’s a Disqus account, not a Red State account, so if I visit another site that’s running Disqus, what am I telling them?

    Mew

  • streiff

    one would think, right now my sensing is that customer service is of the “I don’t care what you want, this is what you are going to get” variety. Yesterday I brought up what I maintain is a huge breach of user privacy, not being able to block people from “following” you, and was essentially told to FOAD.

  • runner12

    There are pros and cons with Disqus. The cons are the privacy issues and the up/down arrows. I do not like those at all. The pro is the edit button. I use an Ipad when I post and typos occur regularly when doing so.

    In the end, I feel the cons outweigh the pros for me unfortunately. I also agree with Melody below that it is difficult to keep up with conversations because the comment window is not on every page (not sure if that is a Disqus thing or not).

  • PowerToThePeople

    I will add a bit to your comment Kowalski if I may. Melody was kind enough to explain how to adjust things on Disqus such as the blue button to the left. I followed her directions only to find I could not change a thing since my username already has a Disqus account. I know who made the account and that person is the loser sea cow who was stalking us all at the old RedState, but other than her stupidity, it irritates me I have no control over features for my account here at RedState.

  • tcgeol

    Honestly, I hate this new revision. Maybe eventually after everything gets settled, it will be useable, but I have serious doubts. I can’t figure out Disqus (actually I’d never heard of it before) and I can’t find anyone’s diaries other than the front pagers. Not that I’ve been a common commenter recently – and not like anyone would care – but I was hoping to remedy that a bit. Right now, I’m not so sure.

  • RSSS

    I’m not fond of the new Disqus, on any site. No ability to flag spam or abuse (there used to be). A feature to vote comments down that gets abused by passive-aggressive lurkers & trolls. No ability to edit (although I can appreciate the counter-points).
    Change it back to the old commenting system.
    Thanks for letting me vent.

  • M_Becker

    It does take you to the comment Aaron, but in my experience if you have multiple notifications they all disappear when you go to the first.

  • CarolT

    Thanks for the ixquick.com info. I will save it until they have an upgrade for Safari 6.0. I also had Ghostery as an addin to Safari. Last year I read how much all the websites track is in a four part series from the WSJ.

  • CarolT

    No one is happy with it. That’s what we commented on all day.

  • Guest

    I don’t even understand how this thing is supposed to work. What’s going on with the diaries system? Is there even still a way to recommend diaries now? And why do you have to click on someone’s name to see the diaries they’ve posted?

  • patsydecline

    If that is true is shows an out of touch campaign. Regardless of the impetus for the change, two plus months out of a Presidential election is certainly not the time to redesign your political website.

  • Dave_A

    @redstate-982f409256781f8353ba9e5ec91ebf25:disqus

    That’s the price of the ‘free’ web…

    Be tracked/trade your info, or start having pay-walls go up on every site…

  • acat

    Cat is following kowalski’s lead and exiting the building until this insecure piece of {excrement} (Disqus) is removed and I can again be secure in the knowledge that what I say on Red State doesn’t follow me.

    I post under a pseudonym for a reason, and am unhappy that Red State have chosen to share my information with an insecure aggregator such as Disqus.

    Should Red State management come to their senses, please ask Moe to write something on moelane.com. For now, that seems reasonably secure.

    Good bye, Red State.

    Mew

  • AceInTX

    What frosts my britches is that this is the second time in two presidential elections in a row that we decided to roll out a redesign in the heat of the political season…with the same results….we had one huge disruption after another in the 2008 season which was only corrected by abandoning the new system for yet another system after the freaking election was over…can we not learn from our mistakes? Was it not possible to continue with the site as it was at least till November 6th? Can we count on repeating this circle jerk again in 2016?

    The member diaries don’t exist…the last diaries showing up for general consumption was 8/25/2012….I posted to it the member diaries using the “Create new post link and managed to post a diary to my own profile page…but it’s unacceptable to my Red State Bretheren as far as I can tell.

    Then there is the abrupt end of a thread I was debating in the other day…there were over 190 something comments in the thread and a few comments from friends that I would have liked to reply to…but suddenly upon surfing to the page by a circuitous convoluted route, the thread that the night before which contained hundreds of comments was empty and my comment that morning was the first of an entirely new thread on a 3 day old font page post.

    This sucks and someone should have their head examined for pulling this crap off the weekend before the Republican convention…now the site is crippled, discussion is a crapshoot at best…Red Stater’s ability to network, debate and discuss current events, policy and strategy is dead…we’ve shot ourselves in the foot with 60 days left before the election…and for what???

  • AceInTX

    correction…

    “I posted to the member diaries using the “Create new post” link and
    managed to post a diary to my own profile page…but it’s inaccessible
    to my Red State Bretheren as far as I can tell.”

  • vangoghssister

    I have been very grateful to have RS as it is the one place I know I can find the truth. RS is the first thing I read every morning and the last thing I read at night because I have found many kindred spirits here. Change doesn’t bother me much as long as the change works. If I may, I’d like to say making such a big change right before we were heading into the convention was a terrible mistake. I’m sure I’m not the only one who was looking forward to the many new diaries and spirited discussions that would have taken place on the old RS site. Instead, most of the discussion has been side tracked into a discussion on why we all dislike the “upgrade”. If I didn’t know better, I’d think the Obama Chicago minions were behind it! (said with a smile)
    I don’t know anything about Disqus or any other blog platform enough to comment on it from a technical point, but I trust Streiff, the other Mods and long-time Red Staters’ concerns about privacy. Personally, I don’t comment at other sites and I hate Facebook, so I don’t know if I should worry about the privacy aspect, so I won’t for now. Instead, I’ll continue to wait and watch and hope for a good resolution.
    Hurry Erick, et al! The election will be here all too soon!

  • westcoastpatriette

    I’ll miss seeing you and kowalski around these parts, acat. But, I do understand why you feel the need to go. I am like vangoghssister above and am ignorant enough about technology to want to give it some time. I am more concerned about the security issues since I have listened to so many discuss it here, but I would feel lost without RedState and don’t know of any place that is comparable to go to.

    Good luck and God bless (I know you don’t believe, but God still loves you.)

    westcoast’ (Julie)

  • acat

    Final message to Red State:
    http://www.redstate.com/acat/2012/09/02/red-state-we-have-a-problem/

    Mew

  • chbroussard

    If it ain’t broke, don’t try to fix it. Loved the ease of use at the old site. I wanted to give it a chance for several days before commenting. I have done that and am now prepared to say that this new site is a complete and total mess. And I agree with the others here that have commented about the timing. Right before the Republican convention? Really? Who made that decision. Have failed to find a single upside to the new site.

  • kipling

    Erick Erickson will go down as the man who killed RedState in a crucial election year unless he immediately goes back to the old system. We are not talking about design glitches but a complete conceptual failure at the design level.

  • streiff

    I think we all probably agree on that.

  • Viet71

    The voting system is childish, at best.

    You’ve got four down votes. They mean nothing and are mean-spirited. Probably registered by Dem trolls. Might as well have been registered by six-year-olds for all they signify.

  • Viet71

    Have come to the same conclusion.

    I was willing to give the new system a chance.

    Ausonious is right: It is a disaster to lose acat, kowalski, carolT, Kyle-8 and others; to destroy the sense of community; to infuse the remaining posters with concerns for their security.

    And for what?

  • Thomas Crown

    I have some thoughts.

    First, I should note that I have been ill since this version of RS went live, and as a former and not current member of staff, I have no particular thought on the redesign as a matter of personal policy. I should note, however, that I do find it more aesthetically appealing and easier to navigate, which may be warning flags, because I really liked RedState’s look in 2004-2005.

    Second, however, I am not impressed with Disqus as a commenting system here for two reasons and two reasons only. streiff has alluded to the first, but I’d like to offer the second as well.

    (1) As someone who was here when the lights first went on, I remember very well the Scoop system we used for everything. Comments in Scoops could be up- or down-rated, a feature Josh had employed at Tacitus and the inmates at dKos used and likely still use today. The upside to this is the ability to say, hey, great work, something the legacy of which one might still see today in comments that include a stand-alone “5″ to indicate “well done” or “I agree with this” or both.

    The downside, aside from the herd mentality that necessarily follows, is that really good comments that some idiot trolls don’t like — or more usually, comments by users whom some idiot trolls don’t like — get down-rated out of existence. We went through several custom tweaks of the Scoop commenting system, from eliminating zeroes to making it impossible to troll a comment out of existence to giving rating power only to trusted users, before finally getting rid of the system altogether.

    Ah, 2005.

    I mention this because as I scroll down the comments here I see a ridiculous number of down-ratings given to perfectly legitimate or innocuous comments. The two possibilities are system glitches with Disqus and obsessive trolling. Disqus has had problems in the past, but I rather suspect that the issue is not computer software based.

    This will inevitably — and I say this from long experience — damage commenting and community involvement. Perhaps ridiculously, perhaps by God’s will, perhaps by evolutionary necessity, humans are social animals. Being told you’re an idiot by having a 3:1 down-rating for speaking your mind respectfully will shame many and drive them away.

    We lost a lot of good users before abolishing the rating system.

    I say this without intending presumption. I merely note how all of this worked before.

    (2) The absence of titles from Disqus — or at least this iteration — is not helpful from a moderation standpoint or from the feeling of community for which RedState is well-known. I say this not only because of my tendency to use titles to begin the snark, but also because they serve as organizing principles for comments as a whole, leading to better dialogue.

    That’s my opinion, anyway.

    I would add a last point, for everyone threatening to take their toys and leave. Erick is a friend, as are most of the people involved in this, and part of why I count them as friends is because I have so very much respect for them. Although I stress that I have no communicated with them on these issues — this has been the sickest week I’ve had in well over a decade — but I guarantee that they have elicited feedback not to torment you but to find out what’s going on here.

    Leave your comments, be respectful, and give them some time. Most of them do this for free and treat this seriously. The ones who get paid to do this are no less serious. Show them the decency they’ve showed you.

  • Thomas Crown

    This, incidentally, is the precise opposite of what I meant.

  • westcoastpatriette

    Along the same lines as your concern re: up or down votes and its effect on the sense of community, I say, “It’s the anonymity, stupid.” IOW, an anonymous vote one way or the other means little to nothing at all in the sometimes vicious world of politics.

    In the same vein, with the old system, it took courage to “reco” a diary when the issue at hand was controversial because the system published the username of the one recommending. And I loved that. It was one more way to make ourselves known to the community by taking responsibility for our positions on relevant issues.

    As far as taking my toys and going home, I am already at home…here, at RedState. RedState is my political, spiritual, and social community and — like any other family — evokes a sense of loyalty and devotion from me. I am barely getting my feet wet in the world of politics and I need RedState to help me carry on and finish growing up.

    I truly hope and pray that the RS powers that be make the right decisions and, if necessary, corrections, going forward to protect the integrity of everything RS stands for. I will be praying for them to have the wisdom and courage to do the right things for all of our sakes.

  • CarolT

    I figured that out yesterday, it’s one of my concerns about security. You can click on anyone’s name and see every comment posted since the upgrade. Thank you for the response!

  • CarolT

    I hope you are better now. Thank you for trying to calm us down, it’s infectious. One of us panics and now everyone is in an uproar.

  • CarolT

    I’m going to give it another week or so to see if the site improves. I missed it after five hours.

  • Thomas Crown

    I would kowalski (another downside of no titles is the inability to include this as a subject line). The jump feature from the comment box on the front — which appears to experience an incredible lag — is either broken or non-responsive. Clicking on the comment — which demonstrates a jump URL — just brings me to the top of the thread.

    My box is a year and a half old, but I’m running Windows7 patched up and the most recent Firefox build, so I think the issue is with Disqus or the system as a whole.

    I see I also spelled “Scoop” with more than one s above. Perhaps it’s time to lie back down.

  • M_Becker

    And a question on diaries. Such as they are.

    There is a “Recommended” tab and an “All” tab in the RS Diaries section. The “Recommend” button is now gone and the diary at the top of the recommended list has no FB likes, no Tweets, and no comments. I’m guessing recommended diaries are now gone since there appears to be no algorithmic sense to why it would be at the top.

    In the “All” tab, it doesn’t appear new diaries are there. Kitty’s for instance was put up today and has no visibility. New diaries are not in the “Diaries” tab at the header either.

    Is this a bug or a feature.

  • Thomas Crown

    Nope. But there are upsides and downsides to having a large brood.

  • Thomas Crown

    Hm. Good catch.

  • Melody Warbington

    CarolT, except for the ones that drifted somewhere into Cyberspace. I posted what I thought was a logical and thoughtful comment that addressed some issues that has disappeared. There were a few early conversations that seem have gone into a black hole as well.

  • M_Becker

    “Perhaps it’s time to lie back down.”

    Don’t say “lie” on a Republican site.

  • CarolT

    Thomas, please correct me if I’m wrong but I discovered RS in the summer of 2008. I had to request to become a member and then I was accepted the next day and I could comment. Moe was very welcoming, he told me to write a little about myself etc.
    Now it looks like anyone with a Disqus account can register and just log in. Am I remembering another website where I had to be accepted? I could swear it was RS. Thank you, Carol

  • Thomas Crown

    I’ll at least be honest about doing so.

  • gbenton

    Acat – I mostly lurk here and have for several years, but on any thread, I seek out your comments because they are witty, insightful, and savvy.

    let’s put it this way, you wouldn’t know if I left RedState, but a whole lot of folks like me will absolutely miss you.

    I’m flat out horrified that the other regulars in this thread also are in various stages of leaving… all over an unforced error in an upgrade.

    Among my friends I am the most knowledgeable on current events and political stuff… but I come here and am humbled by those who have been in this fight far longer or are just plain smarter than I at connecting the dots.

    RedState, as all here have been expressing, is a unique and wonderful community, indispensable at this critical time in our nation’s history.

    To those who have a say in the site’s operation… I say FIX THIS before irreplaceable voices like Acat are gone for good (hint: I hope you come back). Whatever you were shooting for in changing the structure of the diaries or your reasons for choosing Disqus, the result is that the benefits clearly do not out weigh the costs in the experience of the community. You don’t have people posting here saying, “Thank goodness for the new RedState, now I’ll FINALLY be willing to comment here…” Instead, you’re losing people who have made RedState what it is… and the ‘customer’ is always right (right?).

    To those who are part of this community… I hope we have not grown so frustrated by the issues surrounding this site upgrade that we lose sight of what really matters… that we remain a community dedicated to the cause most dear to us… saving our country by staying connected in places like RedState.

    If I had a vote, I would ask that Acat and the others here who are departing too numerous for me to name, even if your patience is exhausted or if your concerns are too great to stay right now… do return keep open the possibility that some day you might return.

    I greatly admire all of you… and this place won’t be the same without you.

  • chieftain

    Imagine a politician blundering like this just before an election. It is almost like running for President and suspending your campaign. It must not be possible for Red State to unpull the plug or to run both sites simultaneously, They must be up the creek on this one, paddling furiously with their hands. Sigh.
    How can we, your readers and commenters, help?
    Please communicate & lead. You are in charge of this website. If you want our patience, our understanding, please communicate the mess to us and what you are doing to resolve the problems. Many wonder to what extent if any it is a change in direction i.e. is it a feature or bug nags at us. The Breitbart redesign, while less problematic, also provoked its readership with unexplained changes and deletions of e.g. the newswire. It’s transition was not helped by Andrew Breitbart’s untimely death. If there ever was a guy who could adapt on the fly it was him. Could you at least let us know when you expect to be able to communicate a plan to fix the problems.

  • http://www.alanjoelny.com alanjoelny

    I, too, enjoyed the diaries immensely — different takes, different people, different opinions — that what made this site great. and hope they fix the problem with the diaries soon. I can create a post, and you can read my post if you click on my name, but you *still* can’t access it any other way. Let’s fix this bug and then make the diaries more central to RS like it was with the old design.
    I also detest Disqus for all the insecurities that people have expressed below. Off with its head!.

  • Thomas Crown

    I believe the wait period then — I’d left formally a few months before — was on commenting and posting diaries, not membership. With that said, off and on, we used to place enforced waiting periods for membership to keep trolls and Ron Paul fans (but I repeat myself) under control. It’s entirely possible.

    That’s actually a good point you raise: The Disqus system will allow anyone with a Disqus account to post at any site that takes Disqus comments. There may be some non-standard code here that requires site registration; I’m not sure about that.

  • http://www.alanjoelny.com alanjoelny

    Yep. I reported on this a few days ago when it was announced we could “post” again. Still no changes. You can’t ready anything new except for “front pagers” and you can’t recommend, share, whatever. Nothing updates.

  • http://www.alanjoelny.com alanjoelny

    Nope, it was RS. That was part of what made it great.

  • tngal

    Not sure castigating Erick is the way to go kipling. Yes the system sux and we are without the joy of our beloved RS as we once knew. (sheds tear) But I don’t believe Erick could make the decision to do this all on his own. Surely others had a hand in it somewhere. To put the blame squarely on him is not fair.

  • bobmark

    It does still require an RS registration. I tried to logon with my other Disqus account and it denied me entry, But now I am going to go and take a look see if my -regular- Disqus account is linked to this one somehow. I’ll post back as as soon as I find out. I’m pretty much of a lurker/reader, still, this has some disturbing implications.

  • gbenton

    For what it’s worth… I’ve read in other posts that this upgrade is still a work in progress. I think that it is those who leave that actually would risk killing Redstate, simply by their absence, which is not meant to denigrate their leaving, but merely to describe a cause and effect fact.

    For my part, I hope that the folks working on this are trying to resolve the concerns of those who are considering leaving so that in the coming days and weeks we can through this as a community and bitch in a good natured way about the upgrade fiasco of 2012… for years to come.

    That said, I don’t believe Erick Erickson has sole authority over the changes, nor sole ability to resolve them… and on that basis I disagree with your assignment of sole blame to Erick.

    I hope that the frustrations, however legitimate, don’t ruin this community and that is up to us… and I hope ‘management’ is taking notes on what needs to get fixed… and communicates efforts in progress to reassure folks like Kipling and the rest of us that concerns are being addressed.

  • gbenton

    As I said elsewhere… this is horrible. A casualty and a deep loss that I hope is reversible. I for one will miss you Acat… and hope that you reconsider and that the Redstate tech team and management recognize this loss as the canary in the coalmine that it is.

  • gbenton

    You nailed it CarolT… A crisis is a terrible time to panic.

  • bobmark

    At least in public, the accounts are not linked. comments here are not shown elsewhere and vice-versa, So perhaps the solution is to use multiple identities. Still, have to wonder whether ‘Disqus HQ’ has (or will) consolidated my info since I think I used the same e-mail to register both accounts. I see a whooooooole lot of disposable email aliases in the near future.

  • Melody Warbington

    wcp, I just posted a long reply and just as I was about to post, it disappeared. Short version is I agree with you about recommending diaries. Kinda forced you to stand up for your convictions, didn’t it?

  • Thomas Crown

    How many times have your comments disappeared? I haven’t had this happen yet, but you in particular seem to be getting it a lot. Have you commented through Disqus before?

    More than anything else, disappearing comments can kill site participation.

  • Bill S

    That is correct. There is still a RS id “behind” (or maybe “in front of”) the Disqus ID. And for those like me who have a permanent Disqus ID, there is not necessarily a link between them. As I discovered, if you use the same email address on RS as your Disqus ID AND on any other Disqus ID, it’s possible to link/merge them. I did, but I had already established (prematurely, as it turns out) a Disqus ID just for Redstate.

    For those without a Disqus ID, one was created behind the scenes to allow you to sign on and comment with your original RS ID and password. Was that a good decision? I suppose that’s a matter of opinion. It did allow people to immediately sign in and comment, but I’m not sure about the wisdom of doing this, given how Disqus appears to work across sites. I suspect that is an unintended and probably unanticipated consequence of using their service.

  • CarolT

    Thank you. I was 99% sure I had to be accepted into the community. I use Disqus
    another website occasionally, I said this yesterday, but that one replies directly to my email. I had hateful emails when I was happy that Dick Cheney had successful heart surgery. Thursday I had ten, at least, responses to my comment on Clint Eastwood’s comedy skit at the RNC. Some times it will be days later and I’m not interested in that subject at the time, but someone came across it and had to reply.
    Here at RS I log in with my RS user and password, it’s not the same as the other site that uses Disqus.
    I try to limit comments on that website.
    Ron Paul is being a bit of a jerk, he should endorse Mitt but he’s sulking.
    I thought RS admin was checking to see if I was registered republican, etc.
    Thanks again.

  • gbenton

    I just had two comments of mine disappear today… first time I’ve seen that happen. More weird, one of my comments doesn’t show up in the aggregation of my comments when I click on my ID, but is still on the comment thread where I posted it today. So it looks to me like there are clearly some glitches in comment history management.

  • westcoastpatriette

    Yes, i am all for standing up for your convictions, Mel. And for the record, the preceding comment of mine disappeared for a brief time after I posted it and then miraculously reappeared. Very nerve-wracking, especially when you expend considerable time and energy to write thoughtful and extensive comments.

  • Melody Warbington

    Mr. Crown, I’ve used Disqus only recently and rather sparingly before the switch here. I made a long comment on RMJ’s Back to School Blues diary that they apparently found after I mentioned it had disappeared. Then I made a long comment on one of the “tell us what you think diaries” which is gone (to which one of the mods responded).

    FWIW, I use Firefox here at home. We use IE8 at work and I can’t get the new redstate version to work properly with it. Thankfully, I downloaded a version of Firefox to my desktop at work, so I can get around that unless it gets to the point it won’t work because I can’t update it since they tightened up our permissions to the non-tech staff.

  • CarolT

    That is what made it great, hopefully it will be enforced so that we do not have thousands of posts to one article, Hot Air has pages and pages, it’s as if they don’t have anything else to do but read things on the web.
    I have a rose garden and am going back outside to tend to them on a beautiful day here. I have been in and out, now I’m going out until it’s too dark to see what I’m doing.
    Thank you all.

  • tngal

    Please someone explain for me–what is a follower? Why do I have one? Where and who are they? And how do I kill it? I know on twitter you have to allow followers. I am not a member of disqus ( at least I hope I’m not) I didn’t sign up for it. I’m just using my rs sign-in username and password. In the “my disqus” thing, it says someone is following me. STOP IT! Get your nose away from me this instant. Git. Shoo.

  • CarolT

    It happens if someone clicks your name, it’s an option. I discovered it earlier today. I’m not following anyone. It might be purely accidental.
    I don’t know anything about twitter, nor do I want to.
    Things are new here and the regulars are trying to test it. I wouldn’t worry about it unless you have several “followers” tngal. Carol

  • westcoastpatriette

    I now have three of them, tngal, and they give me the creeps.

  • tngal

    If its just you, I’m good with that. I read acat’s posts earlier and quite frankly was a little scared there were cyber creeps that could hone in on us. Don’t worry. Since its you I won’t kill you.

  • westcoastpatriette

    kowalski…primarily because I don’t know who they are and whether they are friends or foes.

  • Melody Warbington

    kowalski, in the old version, from time to time, a page might arbitrarily refresh, or you’d get the message “slow down” and you’d think you lost your comment. More times than not, however, you could go back a page and the comment was still there.

    I appreciate the history you provided with your earlier comment and agree with your other thoughts. This new version seems to have eliminated many of the quirky things that made redstate the community I enjoyed so much. It was fun to see a newcomer come around and eventually ask “What’s a kowalski?” which often elicited some pretty amusing responses, especially if kowalski himself answered with a couple of follow up kowalski’s.

  • M_Becker

    I’ll earn you “followers” :-)

  • tngal

    so there’s no way to tell who they are? I mean CarolT says if she clicked my name and that might have caused the “follower”, which is ok by me if its carol. See I’m ok with the RStaters, I guess. Its all the disqusi whom I don’t know that would scare me.

  • Melody Warbington

    wcp, I think I’m one. I started exploring all the buttons and links, etc. when this thing launched and followed a few of the folks whose comments I didn’t want to miss, especially with the difficulty of the comment thread now. Honestly, I’m not sure if it’s the “follow” feature or something else, but I get an email when you respond to one of my comments. I just haven’t bothered to unfollow anyone, but I don’t want to give anyone the creeps, either. LOL.

  • M_Becker

    I just checked my Disqus dashboard. It seems that I have a unique RS Disqus bucket with only RS comments. I also have about five other D-buckets showing up for posting elsewhere and they are not linked, at least by me. I have no intention of linking them either.

  • westcoastpatriette

    tngal, you have to do more than click on someone’s name to “follow” them. After you click on someone’s name, there is a “follow” button to the far right side of the box. You have to click on that to follow someone and it would be pretty hard to do inadvertently.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    I have one follower when I click my RS ID. When I go to my Disqus dashboard, it’s showing zero followers.

  • http://llphsecondrevolution.wordpress.com/ spoasteph97

    Invitation for Diary Entries…Come to my website!

    I want to invite any RedState Users to go to my website and send me your diary entries that you would post on RedState if you could: http://llphsecondrevolution.wordpress.com/

    Until the problem with the diaries is fixed, I am willing to make my website available for diary entries. Simply click on the contact link, and send me an e-mail of your diary entry: http://llphsecondrevolution.wordpress.com/contact/

    I will gladly post it on my website (be sure to include your name or nickname so I can give you credit).

    I hope RedState will soon get this problem fixed because I love RedState. But until they do, RedState users have so many valuable ideas that aren’t getting posted or seen, and I want to offer up my website as a place for diary entries.

    Thanks…start sending them to me! —Spoa

  • tngal

    Well that’s not comforting.

  • ctredstater

    Amen
    nt

  • tngal

    Do you want an unknown follower mbecker? We could get you one. Kind of creepy though. I guess I could figure out how to follow you, but i would ask first. That’d be the polite way, right?

  • Viet71

    Right on.

  • CarolT

    tngal-I am not following you. I was explaining how easily people could do it and not realize that they are. Click on my name in a post and there are all my comments on one page and option to follow, etc.
    I am not following anyone.

  • Viet71

    More to the point: The question is, to quote Hamlet, to be or not to be.

    To be a place of free-flowing interchange?

    Or to be a place of regulated input?

    To be or not to be?

    It’s real simple. What do the masters intend? If they intend good, patience is warranted. If they do not intend good…every person for himself or herself.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    I’m not particularly opposed to followers, I’d just like the option to be able to know who they are and “unfollow” them as required.

    And you could follow me any old time. I’m making the assumption you’ve got a good BBQ recipe :-)

  • streiff

    I’d like to be able to block followers.

  • streiff

    I can say definitively that the user community is highly valued and we desperately want to retain that flavor on the site. What has happened is unintended and I believe we will fix it soon.

  • NeoKong

    Why is that streiff…? So you can always have the last word? Where is the fun in that?

  • streiff

    stalkers creep me out.

  • Viet71

    I’ve never been stalked.

    Wouldn’t bother me.

  • NeoKong

    AHahHhHahHha……

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    I’d be ok just being able to selectively block (“unfollow”) them. But I’d not be opposed to an across the board block.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    And the trolling begins.

  • tngal

    It involves jack daniels bbq sauce. I make my own, not the bottled stuff.

  • streiff

    not speaking for management but we’ll either fix the diaries section to everyone’s satisfaction or we won’t. If we don’t, it would be good for the community to stay together somewhere. If we do, then this won’t matter.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    “I make my own…” is why you’re a welcome follower. :-)

    Spent lots of time around both Memphis and Nashville. Always came home smelling like BBQ.

  • kipling

    In an earlier post, Erick said he made the decision to launch even through there were “bugs.” Therefore, it is his responsibility. He also said the design was made in consultation with RedState readers. I am pretty sure those readers were not regular “diarists” because the new design destroys the diarist community. It was a bonehead move but one easily undone.

  • Melody Warbington

    tngal, my husband has always been a long-time fan of Dreamland BBQ – original in Tuscaloosa. Sauce is more mustard and vinegar, less tomato/ketchup. Recently, I brought home a bottle that one of my uncles in TN stirs up at home. It’s very similar to Dreamland’s, but he had to admit it’s a little better. The homemade stuff is almost always better.

  • Melody Warbington

    ‘becker, if you ever make it Birmingham, look me up. We know the best BBQ places.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    Wouldn’t miss it for the world.

    BBQ is real “American Food!” because it’s enjoyed everywhere and every region – and area within the region – has it’s own basic recipe with lots of tuning at every street corner.

    I love BBQ! Pretty much won’t buy a steak in a restaurant, but I’ll drive forever for BBQ.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    I love a good threadjack.

  • cheetah2

    I am sad that Red State isn’t Red State anymore. And I accidentally gave myself a bad mark.

  • westcoastpatriette

    Actually, I see the potential for things to nearly be the same if they could just get the diaries box functioning properly and figure out how we can reco new diaries. Those are bugs prohibiting critical features from functioning. Also, they must be working on transferring all of our diary profiles and getting all the comments synchronized. I think it is too soon to declare complete failure of it all. For some reason, the transfer of data has hit a major snag.

    But the security issues with disqus…I just don’t know what can be done with that.

  • emptybucket

    I need to apologize to some of you here at RS. Was feeling lonely and wanted to connect up with a few of you that I’ve been commenting, or debating with and figured out how to us the Disqus follow. After considering things and reading dozens of posts I realize that was not a very polite thing to do. I’m sorry. If you know me and follow me that’s great but the point that people can go into stalking mode startled me. As my husband says, I’m just too naive. I only “followed” those I’ve talked with before but once I figure out how to unfollow will do so and then ask first! I can’t figure out if it is possible to see who is following you.

  • dajeeps

    My disqus is linked to twitter which is linked to my blog and I haven’t had problems with anyone (yet, anyway). I’m not a radio host, either, which just might have something to do with it. I figured I can’t live life afraid and really all we’re doing is like the “bandanna” guy that was featured in a front page article a few days ago with the old system that allows anonymity. It’s much more public now, and that seems to have a bit a chilling effect. But if it’s worth saying, it’s worth saying regardless.

  • jaykali

    I really like Disqus. I am a programmer and I have used it on several sites. I guess I don’t really know what you mean by privacy since you don’t have to have your real name associated with your disqus account if you don’t want to.

    If ratings are a problem you could disable them. The threading on the old site was terrible. Let’s give Disqus a chance! It seems like every news site out there is using it so it works for me.

  • jaykali

    I guess I don’t get your gripe. I can do the same thing I’ve always done which is comment – and now the commenting is so much better. The threading of comments on the old wordpress site was completely retarded.

  • jaykali

    People just complain whenever any site does a new rollout. I am a web developer and this is always the case. It just takes time to get used to.

  • tngal

    I have given you a good mark. It won’t negate your bad mark, but hopefully it will keep you out of therapy so now you’re at peace with yourself. (This new system is killing us. Several of us have joined 12 step programs due to being yanked away from our comfort zone of the last RS. Sad, but true. But, we’ll deal with it. )

  • retrocon87

    I don’t mind the new version but I actually found something strangely lovable about the hokieness of the old one… plus, yeah– Disqus sucks pretty badly… might want to get rid of it.

    This thing kind of reminds me of “the new Coca-Cola” that wound up crashing and burning… the old one wasn’t broken.

  • tngal

    Ok Viet. I’ll try and stalk you. I was going to grab a pen and play connect-the-age-spots on the back of my hand, but I did that last weekend and created an outline of the Little Dipper. So, stalking you seems like a viable alternative to a bad weekend.

  • Melody Warbington

    No harm done as far as I’m concerned, emptybucket. It’s not the folks I trust that’s the problem. It’s the ones I don’t know.

  • PowerToThePeople

    Same with you Melody, following you. I intend to follow quite a few people, but so far have only tagged you, empty, and APAGuy.

  • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

    Don’t know much about the general topic, but what you wrote makes a lot of sense.

  • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

    Here may be what is meant: I created a Disqus account some time ago, for another purpose. I didn’t intend that it would be used for Redstate.

    I notice a lot of “down arrows” on comments that don’t call for any kind of rating at all. Somebody has been going through comments downrating them en masse, it seems.

    It’s no longer easy to use italics, bold, or other formatting features.

    How was the old threading any different from this one, other than how it looked on the page?
    I’ll do some more research, but I haven’t yet seen a reason given for WHY the change was made–it seems to be a case of change for change sake, but I’m sure I will find a better reason, probably on Neil’s blog.
    This really feels like a different place now, though.

  • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

    It’s slow as molasses for me in Firefox, so I switched over to Safari. Also, I can widen my view to fill my wide screen.

    Still, I wouldn’t have even been aware of any reduction of security if it hadn’t been discussed in this thread.

    I wonder why you have 8 “down arrows.” Looks like summertime and the trolling is easy.

  • Bill S

    The powers-that-be tell us that the load on the servers generated by the commenting made it necessary to move that part of the work elsewhere. So the commenting, in essence, has been outsourced to Disqus. That’s the main reason for the change.

    Re: the up/down voting – we are pushing hard on the Disqus folks to give us a way to turn that abomination off. RS had comment voting many years ago. It sucked then and it sucks now.

    And btw, your “personal” Disqus account isn’t being used unless you used the same email addr and subsequently told Disqus to merge your IDs.

  • http://hehasfailed.wordpress.com/ HopeHeFails

    There are a whole lot of ‘down arrows’ all over Red State comments, lately.

    I guess not all can appreciate the absolute artistry in my Avatar. That, or a hoard of Huffpo goons are bored out of their minds by their own convention and are killing time over here.

  • http://hehasfailed.wordpress.com/ HopeHeFails

    Well, if Nancy Pelosi were stalking you your outlook might change.

  • http://www.lvjmusic.com lvjohnston

    I have to agree that the new site is better in some ways (but too bright) but lacking in many ways particularly with the DisKus(ting) commenting section.

    I lurk here quite a bit, too (going back well before 2008) but registered only recently. The Mod’s firm conviction to toss out any scalawags who post without thinking or constantly complaining is great (REAL moderating on the internet – now that was something new to me!) and shows the conviction to stay within the debate that is framed in the Diaries or post and toss out on their ear those who cannot OR will not follow the rules of engagement, so to speak.

    I didn’t register sooner because the old system would not let me edit a post (for clarity) as I have been rightfully accused of having ‘happy fingers’ when it comes to writing more than three sentences along a single train of thought (my excessive use of parenthetical phrases should bear witness to the multiple tangents my mind can follow in any given nanosecond).

    I also will add my “555555″ to all the others and say “Thank You” to Erick E. and all who put their time into RedState to help educate me and other like-minded souls. I loved being able to know, as someone stated in an earlier comment in this thread, the ‘pulse’ of the conservative community is on any given day. That alone is VERY encouraging. Knowing that there are many others who share my opinions keeps me willing AND informed enough to fight the good fight.

    My biggest issue is one noted earlier about the lack of privacy but also another aspect that can be as sinister if left unchecked. Let me flesh it out a bit; I read voraciously and always have (drives the Missus J. nuts!) and on many sites that use this underwhelming posting system, I would simply post as “guest” to keep from being ‘followed’ (‘stalked’ is a far more accurate term). Here, I had no such fear but let me relate this in no uncertain terms, with the Disqus platform I can easily make it seem like there is a much larger number that agree (or disagree) with a given posting or comment and can easily skew the “Vote Up or down” by logging in with a new id and a ‘burn’ email account (Disqus only asks once to verify through email confirmation), post a comment, log off, log BACK in under ID #2, post a reply and vote my original comment up (or ‘down’ if the meds are not working – just kidding!).

    If this can be done once it can be done twice or even thrice. Disqus does not ‘care’ if you don’t want to merge several concurrent ID’s – it simply gives you the option and then decides FOR YOU which is the ‘primary’ ID – as Wubbles World has also pointed out in another post’s comments thread. To make the troll scam work, simply choose NOT to merge the ID’s. It will only ask to merge those accounts that have been registered with a unique email address.

    Say for example; I wanted to troll a board (and yes, we do seem to have had a rather large increase since the roll-out on the new platform), I can create as many additional ID’s as I’d like to create, post/vote and and make the voting up or down totally meaningless or start a flame war using two different ID’s on two different devices (my desktop and my iPad for instance). If we think for one minute that those who disagree with us have NOT figured this out, please rest assured, If I can create a new ID on Disqus to post a response on the Daily Caller website and the CBS San Fran (mainly so I would not be ‘swatted’ or harassed), I have little doubt that it is NOT being done by paid trolls. This was discovered when I had been logged into Disqus under a merged account, and found that I could vote up my own comment! I am not ethically challenged so I clicked the vote down link to remove the up vote. Those of a socialist/statist bent will have little if any concern about the ethics involved (which is not news to anyone with two brain cells to
    rub together…)

    MODS: if folks there are aware of this (and I’m ‘letting the cat out of the bag’): please delete/edit this posting. I will understand. If anyone at RS needs or wishes to
    contact me regarding this, I will gladly give them the different screen names used for verification and sharing with the developers/back-end staff.
    All should have the same IP address, but as my ISP uses dynamic IP addressing, that
    is only conjecture and not fact.

    Edited to note: I CAN indeed vote my OWN comment up or down (that’s my up vote below). That’s broken for sure…

  • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

    Thanks for the info. Like streiff, I’m no longer a techie, so it’s hard to keep up on just what the details of all these commenting venues do.

    How about a front page box with a picture of the OLD front page that tells us, with illustrations, “Member Diaries are now found at… Recent Comments are now found at… Recommended Diaries are now at….”

    Guess I’d better go back to the front page and see if there is already one there.

  • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

    Yes. The arrows are irrelevant, other than as indicators of agreement or disagreement, anyway. When applied to an explanatory or simply innocuous comment, they tell us only that somebody likes to hit the arrow button.

  • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

    And now I see what is different about the “reply display” between the old system and new. Will have to wait to see whether old or new is better. Can see good and bad in both.

  • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

    However, posting new comments before older ones is really confusing, as this series indicates.

  • streiff

    what they tell us is that there are non-RS Disqus users who are rating our comments down probably from the mistaken opinion that those down ratings actually mean something.

  • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

    I read cat’s final message…. The top comment (right now) is from proudmarinemom, and I quote: “This was the only blog worth a sh*t. Michele Malkin has not allowed registration at her site in years and it’s the same snarky commentators on every thread. Town Hall is full of trolls. NRO and Politico– seriously? Even RCP and WSJ have too many nuts and the mods never police them. This site had some prestige in that profanity and leftist propaganda never made it past the ban hammer.

    Of all the times in this nation’s history for good people to feel they have no place to go to reload for the battle, this has to be the worst.”

    I think she makes a great point. RS has been the premier conservative blog on the web NOT RUN BY A BIG NAME OR A BIG CORPORATION, one where we could pretend we were in with the big boys. Heck, I often came up with ideas that appeared later in the popular media. Sometimes I even made it to print before they did.

    As such, we had a feeling that we were making a difference when we spent as much as a full day writing and editing a diary to post here (unpaid, of course). We felt that other conservatives would read it, and we had some confidence that some of what we wrote had at least a CHANCE to make a difference somewhere, someday. That was partly because our diaries got published and had a chance to get extended exposure by making the “Recommended” list.

    Anyway, RS is still the only game in town with SOME of these characteristics. I’ll probably stay around–after about seven years it’s hard to cast off. For the first time, I missed the RS Gathering this year–I also missed any stories about it on RS. What was with that?

    The ambiance seems to be different now, but I’ll give it a chance.

  • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

    It was possible to do that under the old system, too.
    was very handy to get an idea of where somebody new to you was coming from if his comments were confusing.

  • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

    I see you got no responses. I think some earlier comments were garbled by the system. I found some from Gamecock on my profile. Maybe better now???

  • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

    Is this an orphan comment?

  • 1ndianaphil

    Agree entirely w/DISQUS issues!

  • Melody Warbington

    Flagstaff, I think that issue is on the radar. I know early on at least one of my comments on RMJ’s diary was recovered, but they had to go looking for it. As I mentioned somewhere else, I hope that not only are the diaries recovered, but also the comments thereon. There is a wealth of information there, and I have about 30 diaries bookmarked to which I refer quite often in conversations.

  • Thomas Crown

    It was clearly not well-loved.

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