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Sometimes a Cake Really Is A Cake. Sometimes a Polling Trend Really is Accurate.

The Romney campaign this morning put out a memo telling everyone to calm down, don’t worry, things are fine. Superficially, I agree. Bill Clinton helped Barack Obama more than Mitt Romney helped himself in the past few weeks. But the economic numbers are really not good and things on the horizon appear to be getting worse. Voters will start factoring in those variables in the coming week.

Along the way though there is an annoying trend of intellectual tomfoolery happening on the right.

Back in August, when David Axelrod and the Democrats were highly critical of the Gallup poll, the right loved the drama. Clearly there were problems with Team Obama and the polling accurately reflected it. Now, however, the trend is against Mitt Romney. Suddenly, those damn dirty pollsters are rigging the race against Mitt Romney.

What was good for Team Obama must be good for Team Romney. If the polling was accurate then, there is nothing to suggest it is somehow inaccurate now.

I’ve worked on many, many campaigns. I’ve witnessed even more than that. There is a common theme. When a campaign is behind, the pollster releases a memo explaining why they really are not that much behind and why there is nothing to worry about. It happened when Rick Perry began to slide. It happened when Newt Gingrich began to slide. It happened when Rick Santorum began to slide. It happened when John McCain began to slide in 2008. It happened when Hillary Clinton began to slide.

This is what campaigns do. I treat each and every one of them as an admission against interest that the campaign polling is going against them. It does not mean it is not recoverable. It does not mean they are toast. But it does mean that there are present factors working against them and they are trying to calm their base down. It also means, with the media focused on the polls to avoid talking about the economy, the Romney camp had to push something out.

It is happening now to Team Romney. Instead of beating up the pollsters or screaming that the media is out to get him (and they are, but still . . .) just calm down, recognize the reality, and send some money toward Team Romney or the RNC.

But there is no reason to take a batch of present polling and assume the game is rigged when last month you were celebrating it working against the Democrats. Sometimes the trends are just working against the candidate. Let the economic numbers sink in for the next week and then poll again.

In the meantime, the Super PACs, Team Romney, and the RNC should really be reminding people just how terrible the economic news is and show that Romney has a better way forward. It remains all about the economy.

Oh, and Romney and the RNC have a huge pile of money they are only now beginning to spend. Accept the lay of the land, folks. Just don’t panic about it.

COMMENTS

  • barbarish

    If we can’t win this election with the economy being what it is, I don’t know how we can ever win the WH back.

  • deano64

    Something concerned me last night. I live in CO and as I watched the football game last night (Go Broncos!). I saw roughly 5 Obama adds to every 1 Romney add. Is Romney giving up on CO? The few Romney adds I saw were good and did remind voters about the economy but I just didn’t see enough of them. The one Obama ad I kept seeing is Romney’s plan is a $2,000 tax increase on the middle class and a $250,000 tax cut for millionaire’s. An out and out lie of course right out of the liberal play book the Dems have used for decades. I hope Team Romney starts spening more money here soon. I think CO is in play. Most polls right now are still way over sampling Dems in my opionion.

  • casuist

    Re: 6. I’m not ‘fired up’ about Romney. Not in the least. Did you see on the memeorandum aggregator all the trending stories about Romney’s baffling performance on NBC where he backpedalled so fast that time nearly turned backward on the issue of whether he would repeal ObamaCare, or what parts he would allow to stand, or not, and why, and how incoherent his answers were with all his past positions, or even with his current position that no one can really figure out? I can tell you right now that it did not ‘fire me up’.

  • Common_Cents

    Just calm down and send money to Romney? What happened to RS grass roots mission and getting involved?

  • streiff

    really? under what set of circumstances does panic do anything but beget more panic?

  • whofan70

    I still think this race is a toss up. It did appear over this past weekend that the mainstream media received their barking orders from the Obama Campaign to basically announce that the race was over and Obama was heading to victory in November.

    I’m as big a supporter of Mitt Romney as you can find but even I have to admit that I am baffled regarding the lack of ads out there. Even during a VERY conservative show like ‘The Five’ on Fox News do we see a pro-Obama add. Odd that with this huge war chest now at his disposal that the Romney campaign is lagging behind in TV ads. This was the ONE area that Romney was to have an advantage over Obama and it doesn’t seem to be the case.

    Is the Romney / RNC plan to ‘carpet bomb’ the swing states with ads just before the election trying to get the ‘last word’ right before the undecideds make a decision??

    The Romney campaign should hire Charles Krauthammer to make their case on TV ads against Obama. Charles is one smart dude!!

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    The polls predicted the 2010 wave.

    The same polls are not as optimistic this time.

    Now is not the time to go pollyanna. No excuses. It’s winnin’ time. And that means getting to work. Romney needs to show us the chains are off, and he’s ready to take the issues to the fight.

  • jamesm

    Agreed. Recognizing a current situation and then focus on how to change it. Obama got a bump in the polls? So? This was their high point. (Convention) Downhill for team Obama from here if Romney/Ryan fight back. Lets get busy and get everyone to the polls in November.

  • streiff

    so you said it was time to panic, now you say maybe you shouldn’t panic. FWIW, the Romney campaign just sent out an email telling everyone to read this post by Erick.

    Ultimately, Romney will listen to whom he wants about how to run his campaign. I’m not sure how useful or helpful it is to go into full Eyeore mode with two months left in the general campaign.

    BTW, the two parts of Obamacare that he says he likes are the two parts that are most popular with independents.

  • chauncy

    You really think Romney will go after Obama the way he went after Newt? You’re dreaming. RINOs relish attacking conservatives. When it comes time to attack liberals, kid gloves come out.

  • jamesm

    exactly

  • satchman3

    I think ignoring polls is perilous. They are probably a good snapshot of the race.

    However it’s too early for polls to be meaningful. Romney ran a smart primary and didn’t try to peak until the right time. I expect he’s doing the same thing in the general – keep it reasonably close until it’s crunch time then fight like there’s no tomorrow.

  • streiff

    is that right? He’s just announced a new ad buy in Colorado. http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/report-romney-launches-45-million-ad-buy-in

  • streiff

    I think that is a very accurate assessment. Polls aren’t predictive, they are a snapshot in time.

  • golffan1963

    This is one of the best analysis of the polls I have seen in a long time, and points out the fallacy of those who tout polls when they favor their candidate, and then question their accuracy when the results aren’t so favorable. You simply can’t have it both ways.

    In another post I noted that Romney doesn’t seem to campaign hard unless he realizes he may actually lose. For evidence, look at the primaries and how he finally quit messing around and buried Gingrich in Florida, effectively ending his campaign.

    Will this happen again? You tell me.

  • jamesm

    Erick how about this message to Obama voters: Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. This idiom may work in reaching out to Obama voters from 2008. (or some form in a commercial) I beleive this can be very powerful if presented in the right way. Many voters who voted for Obama in 2008 are skeptical about voting for him in 2012

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    G’bye.

    My first ban in the Disqus era…

  • naraht

    I’d count the Wisconsin Recall as being a *definite* success for polling. Final result was 53-46-1 and every poll in the last month had Walker between 50 and 54 and had Barrett between 42 and 47.

  • deano64

    Nice find streiff. I feel better now. :)

  • blaze422

    Romney hinted during his Meet the Press interview that he was holding back some of his responses for a better time. (Specifically during the GM bankrupcy discussion.) Now forward to a great article on NRO http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/316379/democrats-gm-fiction-editors
    that dismantles Obama’s claims of hirings and rescuing of the auto industry.
    I don’t know if Romney has a “wait until you see the whites of their eyes” strategy, ie…for the debates…but with the Media’s obsession with polls and fact checking BS…I am concerned that he isn’t framing the issues better. ( ie Ross Perot’s charts) I wish he had some kind of “truth squad” that holds a press conference everyday to correct the crap coming from the other side.
    I agree with Byron York that all the squishes need to be coddled, and not insulted for being morons who 4 years ago didn’t see what was obvious to anyone with a brain. That is why I think Romney is holding back, not wanting to be too aggressive lest he alienate squishes. Surrogates need to step it up.
    Finally, the movies…The Hope and the Change ( Bossie and Bannon) and 2016 (D’Souza) are having an effect.
    Sorry for the ramblng….I’ll go back to lurking…

  • tnguy

    Polling aside, if Romney has truly written off Michigan and Pennsylvania, his campaign is on life support already.

  • teapartynot

    I knew he was shooting himself in the foot when he said he would repeal Obamacare. The reason is that as soon as the law was signed the wheels started rolling on this bill. Many changes have taken place in many states. An example is Oregon. Starting Sept 1 the schools there well provide students 15 years of age and over the ability to be sterilized without the consent of parents. All they have to do is say I do not want to have babies. Now how does a child at age 15 know if they want to have children or not. What I’m hoping well happen is that they well not have the money to provide the service. Too much water has passed under the bridge to repeal it. All that can be done is to modify it. Repealing it well cause more problems they can be imagined and I’m thinking the modifications are also going to be a nightmare that each state well have to deal with. Team Romney please wake up!! You are our last hope against this mess.

  • renl57

    They’re not the same voters.

    In 2010, a large part of Obama’s base did not vote. Minorities are much more interested in voting for The First Black President ™ than for some white Congressman or white Senator. Young voters also tend not to vote in off-year local elections.

    Also, since 2010 you had some unforced errors by the GOP by Limbaugh, Santorum and Akin on social issues. That has enabled Obama to help turn out his base of single women.

    The composition of the 2012 electorate is going to be somewhere between the 2008 electorate and the 2012 electorate. How close it is to 2008 vs. 2012 will determine whether Obama wins.

  • renl57

    Your accusing Romney of running a horrible campaign doesn’t explain the fact that in an absolute sense, Obama’s approval rating is now at 50% or thereabouts. Not whether voters prefer Obama to Romney, just whether they approve of Obama’s job performance. And half the country does.

    No one expected that. It’s long been conventional wisdom that no incumbent President gets re-elected with an unemployment rate at or above 8%. What Obama is doing is unprecedented–he’s got a decent approval rating despite the disastrous numbers.

    And that in itself calls for analysis and explanation: Why do so many Americans approve of Obama’s job performance? Because if a majority approve of his job performance, he’ll win re-election. It won’t matter what Romney says or does.

  • streiff

    so I have to ask, why are you posting here if you think Romney is doomed? This would seem to be a wildly inappropriate venue for you.

  • streiff

    Bingo

  • naraht

    Difference in this election is how *little* the polls have moved relative to most previous elections… Without a truly significant October Surprise, at least 43% of the population in this country is going to vote Romney and at least 43% of the population in this country is going to vote for Obama. IMO, it is impossible for either candidate in 2012 to get a 17% lead in the National Polling. This would have to be something at the level of Eric Holder telling *everything* about F&F or Harry Reid being right about Romney’s Taxes…

  • opinionscount94

    I agree with you generally but conservatives should still have a huge enthusiasm advantage over the population segments that BHO is pandering to (think college graduates staring up at their fading Obama posters…). A lot of 2008 voters were engaging in politics for the first time. If they’re still out of work (assuming they are willing to work) then this election should be an easy decision (or they can just roll over and go back to bed on election day). Unfortunately one thing Obama has done successfully in this campaign it to focus this election on being a choice instead of allowing it to be a referendum. Romney is getting sucked into that and appears to be playing defense more than he should. When liberals make it a choice but routinely engage in lies, it’s difficult for average voters to filter through that. Romney needs to keep it a referendum on Obama and, continue to show how conservative policies translate into better lives for all americans.

  • http://lukos.com Ed54

    You’re dead on. Still, it’s disheartening to watch such an obvious media headwind. Fully expected it, but still.

    On the other hand, I saw an Obama ad today that was 100% Bill Clinton. Pretty obvious that polled well at the convention and they are running with it. I can’t imagine that will have legs though; sooner or later even the densest undecided voter will realize that Bill Clinton is not running in this election

  • mikechapman

    I’m a Democrat, voted for Obama four years ago, and will again this year. I have never thought Mitt Romney was a good option for Republicans. Rick Santorum was right. He just didn’t have the bank account to make his case, I guess. As much as Obama unifies some folks against him, he unifies a bunch of folks behind him. You may not like him or where he’s coming from, but he gets support from those who are supposed to support him. Romney will have a very tough time replicating that on the right between now and November. Heck, I’m still trying to figure out where he stands on issues and I follow this stuff every day.

  • streiff

    I don’t know what they are doing in MI but MI hasn’t voted GOP since 88.

  • http://www.lvjmusic.com lvjohnston

    Agreed!! Many of my friends are professing Christians. I also know several Mormons and have no disagreement with their political views as they are very similar to mine. So, I would presume the same with Mr. Romney with no reason to think otherwise.

    Another point is that the person who holds the office of the Presidency is sworn to represent ALL the citizens in this nation and not just a small elite handful. I DO know where the President stands on that and I look forward using my vote to make him the *former* President Obama.

    Amateur staff or not, as Erick said, there is no reason to look at current polling and think that it’s not skewed in some way or another. Things will look closer to *real life* in a few weeks.

    Patience is still a virtue, right?

  • PowerToThePeople

    Really? I await the links showing he is vacationing or resting in Boston or NH. Pretty sure this was just another dumb comment from you with no basis in reality or truth. I find it hard to believe we see him all over the country day after day, yet somehow you state he is hiding in his homes.

    Links or liar, your choice.

  • exitsfunnel

    Romney has to take a stand on something. It’s obvious that the campaign thought that they could win by virtue of just not being Barack Obama, but it’s pretty clear at this point that that’s not going to cut it. He needs to stop dodging all of the questions and have an agenda. Outside of repealing Obamacare (which, in my opinion, has zero chance of happening) I honestly can’t name even a single, concrete Romney policy initiative. Hearing Ryan on TV this weekend talking about closing tax ‘loopholes’ but refusing to name even a single example was painful.

    Very frustrating. The only bright side is that the debates haven’t happened yet. He can still win this in the debates.

  • Melody Warbington

    snowmonkey, the choice is between Romney and Obama. I’ll take Romney over the “Christian” who sat in Rev. Wright’s church for years any day of the week. My Christian friends and family feel the same. We are voting on policy, and Romney’s policies and values are much closer to my own, regardless of the difference in religion.

  • golffan1963

    Another problem is that early voting is going to begin as early as September 21 in some states. Personally, I’ve always thought of early voting as unconstitutional, since that document clearly outlines a specific date on which elections are held.

    The worst idea along these lines was the call by democrats for a “revote” in Florida in 2000. Thankfully that went nowhere.

    Either way, early voting is what it is, and if this Obama bounce is a lasting one, it’s another hurdle for Romney.

  • rockyred

    Still trying to figure it out? Seriously? What is Obama’s plan for the next four years? It isn’t Romney’s fault that you are too lazy to go to his website and fulfill the simple task of reading his plan, which is very extensive. Go ahead and blindly follow your fuhrer while hypocritically criticizing Romney, typical liberal.

  • rockyred

    Romney is a Christian; good grief. His best friends and fellow church members were my next-door neighbors, and they were the most Christian people I ever knew.

    If someone follows Jesus Christ, they are Christian by definition. You are only going to cause more issues for him by saying otherwise. Attack democrats, not fellow republicans, please.

  • rockyred

    Compared to Obama and his wife taking 365 vacations a year, who cares? The President is never doing what he is supposed to, aka, governing.

  • rockyred

    Problem is, its true. That comment is spot-on. The proof is everywhere.

  • eddiethegeek

    Here’s the truth – we’re rapidly heading into recession, although as of July 1 I’m willing to bet we’re already in one. The layoff announcements are starting, and will be a near daily thing during the month of October as firms release third quarter earnings and announce restructurings at the same time. A company in my neck of the woods announced today a 10% cutback due to decreasing sales, blaming ObamaCare.
    I stand by my thinking – a 53-47 Romney win. I simply cannot believe the American public is dumb enough to double down on this disaster Presidency.

  • eddiethegeek

    I can think of SIX TRILLION reasons why you’re making a mistake. I guess you are willing to sacrifice our once-great republic. Like him or not, Romney is infinitely more capable and qualified to deal with our fiscal crisis than Obama. And we and the world are careening into a fiscal crisis, make no mistake.

  • jamesm

    Voted for Obama huh? Fooled you once shame on him, Fooled you twice shame on you.

  • exitsfunnel

    Don’t want to derail this thread but the GOP is not going to do a full repeal which would include the preexisting condition stuff. They’re just not. Maybe the chance isn’t zero, but it’s very close.

  • jamesm

    Wrong. The whole thing will be repealed if they get the Senate and Presidency. Enough said.

  • snowmonkey

    I don’t think Romney has written off Michigan and Pennsylvania. Romney is sitting on a huge pot of money. Do you think he’s not going to spend it all? He’s waiting until the last two to three weeks, and will do a media blitz in all those states. Obama will not have spent a lot of money, thinking Romney has conceded them, and will not have enough time to react.

    It’s fourth quarter politics, that’s all.

  • Common_Cents

    I should have said the phony media narrative that its going to be close or walker might even lose.

  • runner12

    Thank you for being the voice of sanity and honesty at the same time. To echo Nolte over at Breitbart, as of Saturday afternoon I was feeling really good about Romney/ Ryan and their chances of winning. I open RS Monday morning and there are a bunch of posters acting like Chicken Little.

    The only poll that has me concerned is the Rasmussen poll. They tend to be fairly accurate with sound methodology. But at best it represents a bounce from the convention. It remains to be seen if it lasts. Honestly polls do not usually swing that much and stay there. I am also skeptical regarding the amount of bounce, given the three-ring circus the DNC turned out to be. Time will tell.

    R & R just need to keep campaigning hard, stay on message, and do well in debates.

  • snowmonkey

    Sorry. The Mormon church is not a Christian church. Of course, there are many good Mormons. They are good people. But they are not, by definition, Christians. There are many very good Muslims, but they are not Christians. Ask a Mormon if he believes in the Holy Trinity. As a Mormon where God resides (the planet Kolob?). Ask a Mormon the the origin of Jesus Christ. Ask a Mormon the origin of Satan.

    Christianity, and the believe thereof, is defined. You can call yourself a Christian if you believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of the Father and one of the Holy Trinity. There may be some who call themselves Christians, but unless they believe in the divinity of Christ, they are not Christians. Specifically, Christians believe:

    1 There is one God.
    2 Jesus is divine.
    3 Salvation is through grace, and not works.
    4 Jesus was resurrected from the dead.

    Again, I’m not going to debate whether Mormons are good people. Of course there are good Mormons. There are also good Christians, Muslims, Hindus, and Jews.

    Many on this board have said we are a Christian nation. If you want to debate whether we should elect a Muslim, Hindu, or some other religion as President, I’m willing to debate it. But don’t push a non-Christian, and tell me he’s a Christian, just because your neighbor said so.

  • larueladue

    It got lost in the site “upgrade”…

  • streiff

    okay, this particular discussion is 1) a threadjack, and 2) not helpful in any way.

    Let’s stop it.

  • david447

    While I generally agree with the article, you cant ignore the CNN poll that has Romney up 14 with Indies but still losing by 6…that makes no sense.

  • proudmarinemom

    “The problem is …” You do not belong here.

  • renl57

    And if there’s any state in the Union where the auto bailout helps Obama, it’s gotta be Michigan.

  • renl57

    Hey, he’s not imagining all the triumphalist posts from left-wingers ridiculing us as “old fat white guys,” looking forward to “the end of white male dominance of the patriarchy,” claiming that “you’re dying off but your children will be with us,” etc.

    Because I’m seeing a whole lot of that triumphalism from our lefty opponents.

    And I also read an article in the American Prospect that said that providing illegal aliens with the right to vote is the Dems’ best way to get a lock on the Southwest and maybe even turn Texas into a swing state. They don’t deny it, why should we?

  • proudmarinemom

    My good Lord, this place has become so infested with concern trolls and scrawny schoolboys frightened of the playground bully, it’s exhausting.

    Just stop the whining and start talking to real folks.

    I called a vendor today about having an appliance repaired. He mentioned something about the poor quality of appliance parts being shipped into this country. I told him that if things “change” in November, maybe American companies will go back to manufacturing parts. He told me he wasn’t sure if his vote mattered. I spent 10 minutes convincing him that it did, that it will. Little by little, conversations like this will change the Electoral College vote (hint: the one that will matter this time.)

  • snowmonkey

    OK, I’ll stop, but I must say, voicing the power of the One God – the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost in One – is always helpful.

  • streiff

    You are correct and he is hiking even as I type this.

  • vangoghssister

    Good Grief, would you Negative Nellies get a grip? It’s not over, not even close. Of course the Dems got a jump in polling right after their convention, or the Slick Willie Show as it were. What did you expect, for their numbers to take a dive? They’re just experiencing temporary euphoria, t.e.m.p.o.r.a.r.y. There is no way Obama can carry all the independents that voted for him last time. The honeymoon is over. Sure, there’ll be some who think the entire world will know they didn’t vote for him again and are too afraid to be labeled with something stupid, like oh..maybe racist. There are a couple of important things to remember here. One, this race is not just about Romney the man or even the candidate. This race is about getting Obama the heck out of office and out of town. Yes, we must help our candidate, Romney, get elected, of course we do! He’s going to screw up before and after he’s elected. But, he and PR have some great ideas like getting the feds off the backs of our small businessmen so they can actually grow their companies, like easing the tax burden on all of us, allowing our oil companies to drill and for new refineries to be built, etc. As for the rest, it’s up to us to keep him on the ‘right’ side of things. We cannot do that unless we get the Dems and Obama out of power. This must be our goal above all others. Secondly, remember that a great deal of this bump in the Dems’ numbers are a result of the Slick Willie Show. They pine for him just like we pine for Reagan. If Reagan had appeared as a hologram to give a speech, our bump in polling numbers would have been through the roof. It’s just human nature to wish for what we had, what could be ‘if only’. I think I’ll add a third. Remember this and take heart. In the privacy of the voting booth, people will vote their conscience. They will end up voting for the candidate who best represents their true vision of what they want this country to be. Then some will lie through their teeth in exit polling and to friends and family about who they voted for. Did you vote for Obama? Oh of course I did! While in reality, they did not. I think (and pray) we and the world may end up being very surprised by how much R&R win this election.

    I have only one concern and that is the ability for R&R to get their message out to the voting public. By that, I mean the public who have only the MSM to rely on. I don’t have cable by choice, but I keep up here and elsewhere. In these horrible economic times, there are a great many people who have had to cancel their cable/satellite subscriptions because they can no longer afford it. They have other problems keeping their attention such as trying to find work, trying to keep food on the table, a house over their heads, gas in their cars – these things keep them from seeking other sources of information. We need a broadcast company like Fox to provide the contrast to the ‘big three’ we currently have, who are actively shilling for the progressives, without it being a subscription only option. I don’t know the answer, though I do know it takes money and lots of it. We have a Fox station here, like most of you, that has entertainment programming and then we have a second one that plays country music videos – don’t know if y’all have that or not. Why not a third that supplies news and opinion? Beats me.

    Okay, I’m done. Keep your chin up and hold your head high…we can win this. We will win this.

  • westcoastpatriette

    555 vangoghssister. Too many naysayers and mopers around here. Liked everything you said and agree with all of it.

  • proudmarinemom

    Amen, hallelujah and pass the ammunition.

  • secular1

    Keep on dreaming guys old willard is going down. He is as fake as a three dollar bill. His mama and papa must be turning in their graves, looking at their worthless child without any moral compass whatsoever.

  • jamesm

    another rabid one on the loose. Ha ha ha omg. Go back to your crib

  • PowerToThePeople

    First, you do not speak for Christians. Got to set that little matter straight. Second, if Santorum is the example of a Christian leader, I and many many others will stick to the unbelievers as leaders.

    Lastly, Again, since you do not speak for the Christian right, you do not get to decide for us who we vote for, when we retract our support, and whether or not we will support Romney if he puts his faith on the forefront. Most of us know what Mormons believe and we are still going to chose him over the very dangerous and incompetent Obama. There are a few kinds of people I do not like in this world and they are racists, bigots, liars, democrats, and stupid people. So far you have shown yourself to be at least two of those things, so I am going to move on to other subjects before I end up crossing a line in here. I would strongly suggest you can the BS bigot attitude, stop acting as if you know a thing about the Christian right and how they will vote, and go debate with someone willing to put up with your idiocy. It will serve you well.

  • streiff

    he’s gone

  • PowerToThePeople

    Very good sir, you have been on the ball.

  • proudmarinemom

    Bless you, streiff, as you seem to be the main Mod cleaning out the shanty towns that have sprung up all around Red State of late. Well, Bill and Moe have done their fair share, as well, so I mean no disrespect to those who may be otherwise engaged with tech issues and life-in-general.. I imagine they get very tired. The number of sitecrappers has grown exponentially lately. Hang in there. Many appreciate you. I do. I am privileged just to visit here, and grateful for it.

  • david447

    Ok but does anyone think that is even close to realistic? If the poll isnt based in reality, why should we accept its result as reality? I accept the principal of the general trends being in O’s favor at the moment, but I also believe there are some awfully fishy polls out there

  • runner12

    Those do not concern me as much because I think those numbers have more to do with the media making anyone who disaproves of Obama out to be racist. People do not want to be thought of that way so a portion of those polled lie to the pollsters.

    Just out of curiousity, who did you vote for in 2008 and who did you support in the primaries? I hope you do not take offense to those questions.

  • 1stRichard

    OMG The Sky is Falling, we are ALL DOOMED or so the polls say, the polls said we didn’t have a chance when I started on the Brown41 campaign but we won. In this State there is a left and a right contrary to whet some believe, most on the right here have developed an innate argument to win against the left here and it has nothing to do with popularity. Unfortunately too many Republicans only fight the popularity contest, “play it safe” and not fight required fight. Fortunately, in the Brown41 campaign the established Republicans took a back seat and the front lines were manned by those known as the Tea Party types, those who know how and what we are fighting.

    The truth about polls or popularity contests is you are not going to win with the other side playing populism and you are an ignorant loser if you think popularity is the same as populism. Populism is like an addictive drug, it ranges from a false sense of belonging to false wealth. Populism is welfare, class warfare, it pits the Proletarians against the Bourgeoisie, it is a war on self reliance and religion, and more. These are mostly considered too divisive, too many Republicans have ridden this populist bandwagon to take sides and too many Republicans consider this not so politically correct to fight in this arena. There should be no doubt the Tea Party types are willing to fight in this arena and the question now becomes whether or not the established Republicans will fight in this arena or again role over and quit.

  • Xasteius

    Remember too that external events can affect the presidential election too…

    Just in the world today:

    Euro Bailout Challenged in German High Court: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-politician-files-court-challenge-against-ecb-plans-to-buy-bonds-a-854924.html

    Fast and Furious Hearings to be held next week: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/248545-issa-forced-to-delay-fast-and-furious-hearing

    Chicago Teachers Strike: All over Drudge…

    National Port Strike?: http://michellemalkin.com/2012/09/10/is-a-nationwide-port-strike-next/

    Hang on Folks, it’s going to be a wild ride.

  • Melody Warbington

    You gogh, sister. Okay, I know that was really, really bad. LOL.

    I find it amusing what with the “War on Women” and everything, that you, proudmarinemom, runner12, lineholder, wcp, and I, among others – all strong women – are sounding the call to arms (not literally, of course) to stop the whining and get to work.

  • katem

    Romney spent the weekend off-message, appearing with Pat Robertson and Steve King and talking about secularism and keeping God on coins. Seriously? The base is already with him, even if the reason is to oppose Obama rather than elect Romney. It’s September — Politics 101 teaches that Romney should be reaching out to moderates and Independents. To do that, he needs to emphasize the economic issues.
    Paul Ryan has not had the effect on this campaign that many thought he would. Neil Cavuto said on his show last week that Gov. Jon Huntsman is perhaps the Republican most comfortable delivering the Republican economic message and capable of countering Bill Clinton’s arguments for the Democrats. Cavuto’s right, as evidenced by the GOP primary and Huntsman’s interviews on business shows in recent months. Romney and Huntsman don’t agree on some issues (China, immigration, etc.) but they aren’t too far apart on broad principles of tax reform and job creation. If Romney’s poll numbers don’t change quickly, then perhaps Team Romney should get Huntsman on TV in a campaign role to advocate Romney’s tax/job/economic message. Huntsman has far more credibility with swing voters than some of the current Romney surrogates do.
    And while they’re at it, why doesn’t Team Romney also bring Jeb Bush into the campaign in a bigger way and put Jeb front and center on education issues?
    It’s time for Romney to bring in some new voices who can shake things up for him.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Sometimes a convention bump is just a convention bump.
    my one concern is not polls. backing out the DNC bump and poll bias, the real state of the race is close to even-steven.

    My one concern is that there are two templates for this election – 1980 and 1948. The Republicans lost 1948 by running a squish northeast Republican who sat back and thought the unpopularity of the incumbent and weak economy would do the heavy lifting; the incumbent Democrat ripped the Republican to shreds in a nasty populist way. Guess who won?

    Instead of the Romney camp telling us to calm down, they
    should listen to those of us who say they should ramp it up, as in, quit
    being so nice about Obama, listen to Trump; go hammer and tong; bring
    out more content that connect’s Obama bad policies with bad economic
    results. For example, instead of falling into the trap of discussing what is right with obamacare, go into the Obamacare medical device tax and the
    jobs that kills and the harm that does.

    When we see the Romney side roll out ads and make speeches that get under Obama’s skin, force him to respond, and really gin up the energy on our side … THEN we know we will win. Until then, we are seeing the Romney campaign making the same mistake squish candidates generally make, of pursuing in vain a few scattered swing voters wtih eak messaging and then wondering why more of their base didnt show up.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    -5- on this one … he’s got to be campaigning more. taking time off now for debate prep? Not good. do that on the bus between stops. get out there!

  • rcsjr2

    The economy is still key. While the effect of recent poll trending is irritating, the voters must remember that the source of their frustration is the terrible economic malaise and the policies that continue to stifle it. Everything else is political hocus pocus.

  • darrell5151

    I followed ’08 very close. Social media was rampant with Obama supporters, and they voiced their candidate very loud. I don’t see it that much this time. Yes you have those sites that will be pro Obama no matter what, but not so much in the normal run of the mill sites. In ’08 almost any site you went to, had an Obama ad, and most likely the owner of the website was pro Obama and proud of it. Does any one else sense that the Obama supporters are no longer there in mass as they were in ’08? In ’08 when a negative comment was made about Obama, the poster was flogged by Obama supporters 10 to 1. I don’t see that so much this time around. Just the mention of Birth Certificate and you were treated to an onslaught of abuse from hundreds of supporters. Now, it seems, all you might see is a “Really?” post in response. I also find the polls from the last couple of elections interesting.
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/preferences.php
    In 2004, the polls showed Bush and Kerry tied , 49 to 49, and yet we all know how that turned out.

  • major

    Stop freaking complaining.
    This is OUR vote coming up and it is time to help get those votes out!
    We are voting FOR the United States of America in order to save it, and will take whatever incremental steps it will take to do it!
    WE are the ones who are to save America!
    They work for us, and need to be reminded of this on a continuous basis.
    We got ourselves into this mess.

  • duanej

    I don’t accept the premise that the polls were right before when Obama was trending down. Nor do I accept the alternate reality that Romney is trending down now. These polls are and have been rigged since before Obama was president to shape opinion, not reflect it. The article I read recently, on this site no less, I believe is the truth. When asked “who do you believe will win the election” Romney comes out on top. People are lying to pollsters for the same reasons they lied in Wisconsin during the Walker recall and for the same reasons they lied during the marriage amendment election here in NC.

  • celador2

    barb,one clue why so many voters stick with Obama may lie in a Fox news poll released yesterday. It shows Obama is winning how the race is framed.
    Is the presidential race between two men with their vision: 64%
    or,
    is the race a referendum on Obama: 31%
    That poll explains much on voter support 2012.
    Whatever voters said in 2010 in a backlash vote, 2012 is a calmer electorate, less fearful of economic ruin despite a poor economy; The safety nets obama hands out have soothed many for life. Romney has what McCain had plus Indiana and works to win back Republican voters in swing states like Hamilton county , Ohio.
    Obama supporters see deficit spending as no problem, favor raising taxes on some and want to grow government and entitlements.

  • truthandclarity

    Wait wait wait… Mike posts a mild, deliberated comment and he gets “cleaned out” for it? It’s not like he was posting stuff from Media Matters or the Daily Kos in his comment, he merely stated the reasons he believes Romney to be a substandard candidate. Can we not even hear contrary points of view anymore? How in the world are we supposed to solve the problems ahead if we don’t have discussions about them?

  • salemst

    TIPP/Investors Business Daily Poll had Obama up 46-44% yesterday.
    Romney will be reminding everyone about the economy from here on out. As Erick stated he now has access to his campaign money–tons of it.
    Everything Obama could throw at Romney he has. So are all the things he mentioned going to discourage people from voting Romney, or will the Depressionesque economy discourage people from voting Obama.

    I’ll just say two things.
    One, Romney was my governor, and he was outstanding considering he had a 145-15 Democrat House and 35-5 Democrat Senate from 2005-2007 fighting against liberalism.
    Two, like the primaries the voters are still kicking the tires and want to see how Mitt does on the campaign and debates. The voters don’t have to buy yet–that’s not till November 6.

  • celador2

    Democrats and media seem to define issues of late.
    Romney and Ryan are being thrown on the defensive, not Obama- Biden. Ryan is coming under closer scruitiny on the tax plan, who pays what.
    John Roberts, then Mitt Romney decided the fate of Obamacare. The only ones talking about Obamacare are Democrats and Romney singing its costly praise.
    The loss of Obamacare as unconstitutional and the caving on repeal has given Obama new life.
    The US is stuck with a top down health insurance system. ACA IPAB for Medicare is a panel that will run a health care system based on Romneycare. IPAB can not be held to oversight so 15 people have more power than any other 15 in the US. Not one word of criticism has come from Romney or any Republican with the zeal they showed for repeal before John Roberts labeled it a tax.
    Conservatives lost a powerful issue this election with the legality of Obamacare upheld. The public hears no criticism so shifts into a more favorable view of Obamacare with fewer supporting repeal, according to Rasmussen. Although 50% do support repeal.
    House backed appropriations for six months , no doubt more CRs will fund the government without a budget. Obama gets a poll bump every time and never much more than blog criticism for not having a budget resolution.

    We need some conservatives in the presidential race.

  • celador2

    Buchanan won Wisconisn, Iowa and NM by more votes than Bush lost them by 2000. Gore carried them. Kerry won Wisconsin with about 7,000 votes in a state with 5.5 mil people 2004. I think Bush won Iowa and NM. Iowa he did win 2004 over Kerry.
    In 2006 Democrats picked up seats in upper midwest and grew their lead in 2008. Obama won Wisconsin by 14 pts and carried Ohio with 51.4% 2008. Both Wisconisn and Ohio are close 2012 but Wisconisn has trended Democrat since 1984. Ohio is the Mr Republican state. Ohio should be back in the Republican camp by now. WSJ says today Romney is working Hamilton county a once GOP stronghold that went Obama 2008.

  • PowerToThePeople

    Ahhh, are you missing your buddy? Do you feel oppressed by us evil Republicans? I so badly want to hand you some tissues.

    Since you asked………….. Look above and you will see the defining statement of this site and it explains what we are about. No where does it state “place where libtards are welcome to speak” nor does it state “place where lefties are welcome to their opinion.” This is private property here only for conservative folks determined to be activist.

    When they set the rules as to who was welcome to post here, they closely followed the KOS model which was only our kind allowed to post. The one difference, we do not cuss them out, use gross foul language, and we at least treat them decently as they are shown the door. I am sure staff would reconsider allowing the leftist morons to post some of their BS when all the leftist sites agree to allow us to post the truth there and when the membership of those scumbag sites act like decent humans in return. Until then, shove off!

  • celador2

    ren, Much of Obama approval is with ‘registered voters’. Romney scores higher with ‘likely voters’, according to a new WaPo poll.
    To help Romney we can volunteer in a campaign to GOTV, post yard signs and bumper stickers for all to see as a reminder,
    ROMNEY- RYAN 2012.

  • celador2

    I support the party nominee who is Romney. But I did not back him in primary due to his liberal policies and views. But its not being soft on liberalism alone that drives Romney to go soft with swing voters in former Republican states. His task is to win over open minded voters who once maybe voted Republican and who supported Obama 2008.
    Somehow the soft touch may not work since it is boring. Romney needs go bold be more like Clint Eastwood and smack down the Democrats, mostly Obama at every turn.

  • streiff

    1. He had nothing to offer to the discussion.

    2. This is not a forum to debate Democrats. This is a forum to organize to beat them.

    3. What a Democrat thinks about Romney is completely relevant. If he is stupid enough to vote for Obama twice he probably shouldn’t be allowed to have cutlery much less use a computer.

  • Bill S

    Tee hee hee… you guys are so cute when you act like we should care what you think.

  • brojohn2

    I posted this yesterday to my blog, I don’t have a lot of followers but it also goes out to twitter which might help a little. http://texasjq2.wordpress.com/2012/09/10/the-plan/

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    “defeated” + “talking smack” = idiotic — reminds me of fans of teams that say we would have won if the other team hadn’t got 3 interceptions returned for a touchdown.

  • dudette

    Romney has tried to avoid taking a stand on larger issues as constitutional freedoms, on the values of this country. I dont know why he seems to be as afraid of a Reagan message on that topic as Superman is of kryptonite. The larger picture of what America has been and can return to and the values that are being destroyed everyday by this oaf in the WH are things that should be trumpeted–maybe the superpac can do it for him but i am not at all impressed y the snoozer ads i saw on Dick Morris site, ads released by R’s campaign

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Who the flip cares what the standard argument is?

    It’s like that moment in Back to the Future when Marty realizes he has a time machine and can adapt.

    Pollsters have the ability to gather data on the partisan makeup.

  • patriotaz

    It makes it harder to win an election in economic bad times when Obama and the democrats are touting to the citizens that they can get on Welfare, Food Stamps, Unemployment for 40+ years and now we have 49% of the population getting some kind of assistance from the Government, and about 40% of the population that doesn’t pay taxes. How to you compete against the ‘gravy train?’ I think there should be a law that if you’re not paying taxes and you are on some sort of government assistance, you can’t vote. Why? Because they don’t have any ‘skin’ in the game.

  • patriotaz

    I think people are hesitant to tell pollster that they are not going to vote for Obama because they fear being labeled a ‘racist’. I think when they get in the voting booth, they pull the Romney lever and then they will tell the exit pollster that they voted for Obama. Just wait and see.

  • patriotaz

    I don’t know about that. Romney said yesterday that there were some things in Obamacare that he liked and wouldn’t get rid of. Some concern there.

  • patriotaz

    I’ve never heard Obama labeled as Willard!!! Strange. But you’re right, Obama’s parents must be turning in their graves looking at their worthless child (narcissi) without any moral compass whatsoever. This is what they created–a child who won’t take responsibility and whines all the time.

  • jamesm

    Yes. But they will repeal it. Obamacare history. Then they can replace it with something that makes sense.

  • dajeeps

    Don’t panic? My family isn’t going to make it economically through 4 more years of Obama. That’s just how very marginal we have been with the lousy economy. Romney has to win, or he isn’t the only one who is toast. I don’t really understand with how terrible things are that Obama is polling more than 40% anywhere – and that means Romney’s problems are much larger than they appear.

  • soljerblue

    Larry Sabato in a Newsmax piece attributes the current poll numbers to a DNC convention bounce, and claims it will settle in a week or so. He also says Clinton was Obama’s biggest “help” in Charlotte, and that the current undecideds in the race are only about three percent — about what they were in ’96 with Clinton-Dole. Sabato is saying the key will be getting the base out to the polls. We in the Tea Party have been saying this right along.

  • dalecooper

    This. It is essential to be intellectually honest with ourselves.

  • dalecooper

    Except there are several components of Obamacare he wants to keep exactly as-is! How is keeping the “stay on your parent’s insurance until you’re 26″ and “no pre-existing conditions denials” replacing anything? It’s called KEEPING.

  • dalecooper

    Agreed. Romney sucks, he doesn’t have a true conservative bone in his body. All we have to do is go back to his days in Massachusetts.

    Damn it, why couldn’t we have Huntsman?

  • streiff

    those are two minor provisions. I hope you know that.

  • rightlane1111

    OK…this is all fine and well…but look at the video and tell me that we, the American people don’t have a MEGA problem with the vote tally.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=GqMVxeZhflI&feature=player_embedded

  • jamesm

    “People aren’t stupid…”? What about all the lefties who say they are going vote for Obama? Now that crowd does need some serious medical care like a brain implant. Brain implants for liberals might peel off a couple of conservative votes eh?

  • streiff

    you are confusing “pre-existing conditions” with life limit on benefits. They are different things. In fact, no AIDS patients have no coverage. That should be evidenced by the fact that AIDS is now viewed as a manageable chronic disease, not a fatal one. But there are ways of handling those folks.

  • PowerToThePeople

    Not sure what you mean. Let me explain what I understand pre-existing to mean which should clarify the above example, and you correct me as you see issues.

    Pre-existing would mean, in the terms of an insurance company, a person who has a serious medical condition prior to applying or receiving insurance coverage. These conditions will usually cause the premium to increase massively or cause coverage to be denied.

    Life limits would be the dollar amount set by the plan of which payments for care are deducted from. It can also include a capped spending on certain conditions even though customer has not actually reached lifetime spending limit.

    So back to AIDS patients although you could put any devastating and expensive condition in that sentence. 40 year old male develops HIV/AIDS yet never had any insurance plan prior to the diagnosis. Under current insurance plans, most would deny him a plan due to the immense cost of caring for an AIDS patient versus amount received via long time payments of premium and split cost between all customers or he would have to pay an enormous premium cost or join a high risk pool which would also cost a fortune. This would be denial due to a pre-existing condition prior to applying for coverage. Again, you could put cancer in there, shot knees (although coverage would be granted but would exclude treatment coverage of knees) extreme weight, heart disease, etc.

    Under Obamacare, no insurance company could deny him coverage, premiums would have to be average cost as the plan sets a low cap on the allowed cost a company can charge due to pre-existing problems, insurance company would have to pay for AIDS treatment from day one, resulting in huge losses to the insurance company. Multiple that time however many of the 40 plus uninsured Americans with major illness, the losses will drive most if not all the insurance companies out of that business or out of business entirely.

  • vangoghssister

    Sometimes a spew warning would be good! Ha!

  • Finrod

    Yep, Romney’s campaign is in free fall so much that Obama’s 50-45 lead on Rasmussen daily polling is down to 46-45 as of today, with Romney leading 48-47 when leaners are included.

  • Finrod

    Don’t worry about the polls, Obama got a brief convention bounce from Bill Clinton’s speech, but it’s pretty much evaporated already.

  • citizenvetusa

    The replacements will be in new bills that stand on their own after the CommieCare is repealed