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Why Nate Silver’s cozy insider status with Obama for America in 2008 matters in 2012.

As usual on the Left, it's who you know that matters more.

OK, let me just lay this out for you.

  • Nate Silver is a political blogger – specialty; polls and polling – with both a devoted following and a sweet gig doing poll matters for the New York Times.
  • Silver has both because he enjoys a reputation as having a keen insight into the polling process, and an enviable track record at predicting results.
  • If you drill down on that, you quickly realize that Silver’s predictive abilities are largely due to his performance in the 2008 election cycle; during the 2010 cycle his earliest predictions about Congress (and his insights about how Republicans were thinking about the issues) first turned out to be laughably bad, then became extremely low-key until it became clear to EVERYBODY that the Republicans were going to win big. Still, getting 2008 right is good, yes?
  • Well. It turns out that the Obama campaign fed Silver huge amounts (H/T: AoSHQ) of their internal polling material during the 2008 cycle. Nate Silver did not disclose this, due to a confidentiality agreement.
  • I would like to note at this moment that there is nothing illegal about the previous bullet point.
  • Whether this was ethical, however, is a completely different story. Presidential internal polls are gold-standard; campaigns can afford the best data, expect the best data, and get the best data. If Nate Silver was able to cross-check outside polls with the stuff being fed him by Obama for America, he would be in a position to better detect polls and results whose flaws were hidden. In other words: insider access likely allowed Silver improve his ability to sort through the chaff for the wheat, and thus improve his reputation.

I hear people going “So what?” at this point. Well, there’s two reasons why this is problematical. The first is that Nate Silver is playing the part of the independent blogger with a system. Putting aside for the moment where ‘insider access’ is a legitimate system, such a pose allowed Silver to write things like this attack on Scott Rasmussen’s professional ethics because Rasmussen openly did some work for the Republican party during the 2004 election cycle. The impact of that particular post – which the Online Left has run with ever since – would have been much different if it had been disclosed that Nate Silver had had a formal special relationship with the Democratic party*.

Second, and more importantly? This is not 2008. This is 2012, and Nate Silver is working for the New York Times. Why is that important? Why, it’s because of those pesky confidentiality agreements. If Obama for America is still feeding Silver information, I have a real problem with a news organization being given non-classified material on the proviso that they never, ever reveal that they got it… and so should you. But I don’t think that it’s that bad. I think that the NYT wouldn’t sign off on that, which means that Silver isn’t being fed information this go-round.

And if that’s true, then that means that Nate Silver does not in fact have any special insight into how the 2012 election goes.

Moe Lane

*Silver’s butt-covering on this is a thing of beauty, in its way.

But I do believe in open disclosure, both as a branding and an ethical matter. That’s why I tell you in the FAQ who I voted for (Barack Obama). I have never conducting polling or paid consulting on behalf of a political client, nor am I actively (or even passively, for the time being) soliciting such business. I have conducted consulting and polling on behalf non-political clients, and I have also advised political clients on an informal, unpaid basis. FiveThirtyEight is independently owned and operated.

Strictly speaking, the statement And oh, yeah, the Obama campaign gave me all sorts of proprietary political polling material that could easily be used to check my assumptions for me; only I didn’t tell anybody about that before now does not contradict that paragraph. Strictly speaking. But that is only if you, to repeat a phrase, make “the most absurdly lawyerly reading” of said paragraph.

COMMENTS

  • renl57

    Polls have to follow the laws of mathematical statistics.

    When a pollster says that his poll is accurate to +/4 percentage points (for example), what he’s saying is that it has a 95% probability of estimating the voters’ true beliefs to within 4 percentage points. The mathematics of random sampling is pretty precise.

    And according to the Central Limit Theorem, you get a more precise result by averaging together the various pollsters’ results (that’s what RealClearPolitics does).

    I find it extremely hard to believe that all these pollsters are deliberately faking their data to produce bogus results. Gallup has been in the business for nearly a century. They’ve had to deal with outraged politicians for decades. I very much doubt they suddenly became corrupt in the last few months.

    The reason why analysts like Nate Silver change their mind over time is because the voters themselves change their minds about things (that’s why we bother to have political campaigns and advertising).

    We didn’t mind it too much when right after the 2008 GOP convention and Sarah Palin’s hit speech, Silver predicted McCain was a slight favorite to win the election (and Dems got REAL nervous about that).

    There’s fairly wide agreement from the pollsters that Obama really did get a bounce coming out of the Dem convention. I know I didn’t like the Dem convention one bit. But I try to imagine how the Dem convention might have looked to some urban black family, or to some Hispanics in California or Nevada, or to some young single women pursuing careers while still having a social life. They may well have been more impressed than you or I.

    But bounces can fade. In early September 1968, the Gallup poll gave Nixon a *15* point lead over Humphrey. As we all know, by Election Day that lead had all but vanished.

  • satchman3

    While I would agree that the mathematics of random sampling is fairly precise, your point neglects the fact that getting a truly random sample is extremely difficult.

    For this reason, pollsters try to correct for various biases in the poll – a common example is reweighting the poll to reflect the known R/D voter percentages. If the sample was truly random it would more or less automatically reflect the percentages subject only to sampling errors.

    Things that can introduce bias errors would be things like not sampling cell phone users, only sampling people who are home during the day or home during the evening, only sampling people who don’t hang up on them, and probably many others.

    I expect most pollsters stay up at night worrying about all these things and doing their best to correct for them but taking the pulse of 100 million people by talking to 1,000 people is not easy.

    I do agree with your post just wanted to nitpick the notion that it’s a pretty precise science.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    Were it me – I’d feed Nate Silver whatever data that would have him telling the tale I wanted him to tell. Of course, David Plouffe would never be dishonest or Nate Silver either, right….

  • streiff

    this is not really true.

    1. Polling is based on input from either CATI bank or actual humans. Right there tells you that you aren’t dealing in math.

    2. Polls create their own models. The CNN one today had a partisan break of D=441, R=397, I=37. Highly unlikely that this matches any likely electorate.

    3. Polls by news organizations are used to create stories. The story value in finding what everyone else does is limited.

    4. Gallup is reputable. However, we know they were leaned on by Axelrod but we don’t know how Gallup management responded.

    5. There is a selection bias in who you reach. Landline is going to reach a different demographic than cell phone. What is still uncharted territory is how they will differ. Also non response to a survey is actually a response. What we don’t know is what that response means.

    6. Unlike doing meta analysis of large samples of data, compiling polling data is fraught with problems because you don’t control their methodologies or their samples.

    7. RCP average is not statistics. It is mumbo jumbo. They combine Aduld, LV and RV data taken from different time periods and with different partisan breaks.

  • wintermute

    Thanks for mentioning it… also “Until the end of May 2008, this writing was under the pseudonym “Poblano” and appeared on Daily Kos…”

    Not sure if you mentioned the Kos connection in there, sorry if I missed it. Just some more background information.

  • jamesm

    Take it as a badge of honor. Liberal trolls can press the down arrow.

  • david447

    Thnx for the article I wondered what his background was…although the facts dont surprise me at all…I do go there and read his posts from time to time…if he is up to no good then it will eventually come out when the votes are cast and people can look back and see how far off he is or isnt…right now he has O at almost 80% to win, which I think is hard to justify. I say this even though I have always thought O will win reelection, but saying hes 80% is like saying the campaign is a waste of time.

  • http://www.lvjmusic.com lvjohnston

    That 80% and the recent posturing along the lines that “President Obama does not have to worry – it’s in the bag” is what has some up in arms over when they mention him ‘stealing the election’.

    The real objective from the left and their media lapdogs seems to be to discourage likely voters for Mr. Romney so much that they’ll stay home on Nov 6.

    Personally, I think that the base is not buying that crap. That said, the effort to GOTV must be the main focus over the few weeks remaining with follow-up the week prior.

  • Bill S

    It’s a hoot to look at these down-arrow ratings. If I could sort by down-arrow, I’d immediately see the best comments at the top. Too bad for the libtards that sorting by newest or oldest negates their juvenile outbursts.

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