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President Obama Declares The Future Must Not Belong to Practicing Christians

In his speech to the United Nations General Assembly today the President of the United States declared that the future does not belong to practicing Christians. Already, the media and the left are in full denial, probably based on their general lack of understanding of theology. This would have been a gaffe had Mitt Romney said it. But with Barack Obama, he’s just speaking bold truths. His bold truth declares that the future does not belong to practicing Christians.

Pay careful attention to what he says.

The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. Yet to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see when the image of Jesus Christ is desecrated, churches are destroyed, or the Holocaust is denied. Let us condemn incitement against Sufi Muslims, and Shiite pilgrims. It is time to heed the words of Gandhi: “Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit.” Together, we must work towards a world where we are strengthened by our differences, and not defined by them. That is what America embodies, and that is the vision we will support.

Now, that’s the full paragraph so no one can claim I took him out of context.

But consider this.

It is an orthodox Christian belief that Mohammed is not a prophet. Actual Christians, as opposed to many of the supposed Christians put up by the mainstream media, believe that Christ is the only way to salvation. Believing that is slandering Mohammed. That’s just a fact. If you don’t believe me, you go into the MIddle East and proclaim Christ is the way, the truth, and the life and see what happens to your life.

Then Barack Obama went on to say “Yet to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see when the image of Jesus Christ is desecrated, churches are destroyed, or the Holocaust is denied.” Note he says we cannot “slander the prophet of Islam” but it’s only the image of Christ in the next sentence — not actually Christ himself desecrated. If this is so, why does Barack Obama’s government continue funding the National Endowment for the Arts, which funded Christ in piss, the Virgin Mary painted in dung, etc.?

Now, in point of fact, this is a major difference between Islam and Christianity. Christ came to this world as an enemy of the world and expected to be impugned. He also tells his followers that they should expect to be impugned. There is joy in being persecuted for following the Risen Lord. In Islam, if you impugn Mohammed, you get a fatwa on your butt.

And then there is the first amendment. The President of the United States tried to have it both ways in his speech.

I know there are some who ask why we don’t just ban such a video. The answer is enshrined in our laws: our Constitution protects the right to practice free speech. Here in the United States, countless publications provoke offense. Like me, the majority of Americans are Christian, and yet we do not ban blasphemy against our most sacred beliefs. Moreover, as President of our country, and Commander-in-Chief of our military, I accept that people are going to call me awful things every day, and I will always defend their right to do so. Americans have fought and died around the globe to protect the right of all people to express their views – even views that we disagree with.

We do so not because we support hateful speech, but because our Founders understood that without such protections, the capacity of each individual to express their own views, and practice their own faith, may be threatened. We do so because in a diverse society, efforts to restrict speech can become a tool to silence critics, or oppress minorities. We do so because given the power of faith in our lives, and the passion that religious differences can inflame, the strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression, it is more speech – the voices of tolerance that rally against bigotry and blasphemy, and lift up the values of understanding and mutual respect.

I know that not all countries in this body share this understanding of the protection of free speech. Yet in 2012, at a time when anyone with a cell phone can spread offensive views around the world with the click of a button, the notion that we can control the flow of information is obsolete. The question, then, is how we respond. And on this we must agree: there is no speech that justifies mindless violence.

Just words, Mr. President? You say “there is no speech that justifies mindless violence,” but all last week you condemned a ridiculous video trailer for a movie that does not exist. Your government ran advertisements in Pakistan denouncing the video. What of free speech, Mr. President? Last week you were saying the violence was understandable given the offensive film and this week you are trying to claim it was mindless.

Oh wait, you did it again in the same speech where you said “there is no speech that justifies mindless violence”:

At times, the conflicts arise along the fault lines of faith, race or tribe; and often they arise from the difficulties of reconciling tradition and faith with the diversity and interdependence of the modern world. In every country, there are those who find different religious beliefs threatening; in every culture, those who love freedom for themselves must ask how much they are willing to tolerate freedom for others.

That is what we saw play out the last two weeks, as a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world.

Time and again the President of the United States tries to have it both ways.

But are they just words?

The fact is, many religions do not recognize Mohammed as a prophet. In the widest swath of Islam, that denial is, in and of itself, slander. So what exactly are you saying Mr. President?

As an exit point, with all of President Obama’s statements on tolerance in his speech, we should remember that tolerance is really not a Christian virtue. As Archbishop Chaput of Philadelphia noted, “We need to remember that tolerance is not a Christian virtue. Charity, justice, mercy, prudence, honesty — these are Christian virtues. And obviously, in a diverse community, tolerance is an important working principle. But it’s never an end itself.” The Archbishop also noted that evil preaches tolerance until it is dominate and then it seeks to silence good. That’s not a statement that the President is evil in any way, shape, or form, but we should be mindful when the secular world demands tolerance for all, tolerance for all means we cannot have standards of faith to live by, because those standards obviously require we be intolerant of sins this world has embraced.

COMMENTS

  • JSobieski

    Obama sets forth the following as equivalents:
    (1) Destruction of churches
    (2) Denial of the genocide of 6 million people
    (3) Slander/Blasphemy
    Absolutely pathetic. No religion on earth is subjected to less scrutiny than Islam. The reason for that is because a scholarly approach to the study of Islam would itself be blasphemy and disrespect.
    Nuts!

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    I figured out Axelrod’s plan: say something stupid and insulting every single day and there will be no way for Romney to message it all. From the Libya response clown show to Univision to 60 Minutes to the UN. Obama has said 50 things that get any President a pink slip so just keep bringing the incompetence and Americans won’t be able to concentrate on it. Heck don’t worry about pretending to be competent, that’s too hard, just triple down on incompetence.

  • JSobieski

    Belief that Jesus is the Incarnation conflicts with the teaching of Islam’s prophet which means even Christianity’s core belief is blasphemous under Islamic theology. The Beatitudes are blasphemous under Islam. Heck, few parts of the New Testament would survive a no-blasphemy to Islam test.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Obama’s statement lends justification for violence in response to free speech as “incitement”. This goes well beyond American law on “fighting words” (being in someone’s face) or “imminent incitement to violence” (inflammatory words likely to create in a reasonable person the fear of violence against them). Speech against Islam is not “intolerant”. The movie director is not doing anything to prevent the worship of Mohammad. This President is an evil menace to the civilized society that Judeo-Christian faith produced.

  • kipling

    “Fight them until there is no more dissension, and religion is God’s [Allah].” – The Koran. To hold any belief other than Islam is offensive to many Muslims. Their “holy” book advocates war to stamp out unbelief. Obama know this. He is simply trying to have it both ways in an election year.

  • tj7690

    Didn’t listen to the speech, but John Bolton mentioned on Fox News that President Obama added “We accept that.” after the sentence “I know that not all countries in this body share this understanding of the protection of free speech.” Is this true? Why in the world would our President state that the U.S. “accepts” severe restrictions on a basic liberty right enshrined in the First Amendment.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    Because that particular liberty is a real pain in his butt some days. A lot of US politicians *detest* the 1st Amendment.

  • fightnright

    I’m an American. I’ve had all I can stomach of being forced to accept the tenets of Islam. I appreciate your quoting Archbishop Chaput’s comments on the limits of Christian ‘tolerance’, which Obama will seize upon to coerce us to walk silently to the chopping block.

    War is tough. It’s philosophically difficult for many to understand or accept the concept of a loving God who treasures his children but would condone deadly force that unavoidably extends to the innocent. But militant Islamists would make themselves false Gods through the process of enslaving others; that is, by taking away the human rights implicit in God and His nature’s laws; the right to religious freedom, self-direction, and self-expression. This hobbles human mental and spiritual evolution, because it prevents people from learning and growth through the results of their choices, and is one of the greatest of evils.

    Some might consider themselves to be part of a wave of a more evolved humanity that abhors war and its violence, but when faced with combatants who use medieval tactics to obliterate us, we have not only a right, but the duty to prevent our own extinction. Even if that extinction is being promoted by a treacherous American President.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    Heck, I am serious. This administration is so incompetent, it’s taxing the ability of Americans to believe it or concentrate on it.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    The Bill of Rights as a whole was designed to be a pain in the butt of politicians, written by a better than average politician because he knew you couldn’t trust politicians.

  • glenski1978

    No one is trying to extinguish America. Only the Pentagon will extinguish us by bringing a raging war force to every corner of the Earth. The American budget cannot handle that. There is no room for America running around the globe spreading the message of Jesus, which evidently by the looks of the opinions in this thread, fully embodied in the Bill of Rights. Save money and get out of foreign entanglements. Let’s listen to our founder, George Washington.

  • spolson

    He needs to be a Christian to get elected and keep the Christian democrats head in the sand. He also needs to be a Muslim to keep his faith with his people and political and religious beliefs. Make no mistake he is a Muslim by his actions, and his knee jerk actions.

  • thethinman

    Yep – Obama is going win re-election – Romney is a milk toast that’s being toasted as we “speak”.

  • aubreyfarmer

    I think a history lesson is in order.

    27). “I fear the Jewish banks with their craftiness and
    tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of
    America. And use it to systematically corrupt modern
    civilization. The Jews will not hesitate to plunge the whole of
    Christendom into wars and chaos that the earth should become
    their inheritance.” (Bismarck)

    28). “The Christians are always singing about the blood.
    Let us give them enough of it! Let us cut their throats and
    drag them over the altar! And let them drown in their own blood!
    I dream of the day when the last priest is strangled on the
    guts of the last preacher.” (Jewish Chairman of the American
    Communist Party, Gus Hall).

    29). “Wars are the Jews harvest, for with them we wipe out
    the Christians and get control of their gold. We have already
    killed 100 million of them, and the end is not yet.” (Chief
    Rabbi in France, in 1859, Rabbi Reichorn).

    30). “We Jews regard our race as superior to all humanity,
    and look forward, not to its ultimate union with other races,
    but to its triumph over them.” (Goldwin Smith, Jewish Professor
    of Modern History at Oxford University, October, 1981)

    31). “We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the
    destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs.
    We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.”
    (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

    32). “We will have a world government whether you like it
    or not. The only question is whether that government will be
    achieved by conquest or consent.” (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg,
    February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate).

    33). “Your people are so paranoid, it is obvious we can no
    longer permit you to exist. We cannot allow you to spread your
    filthy, immoral, Christian beliefs to the rest of the world.
    Naturally, you oppose World Government, unless it is under your
    FascistChristian control. Who are you to proclaim that your
    ChristianAmerican way is the best? It is obvious you have never
    been exposed to the communist system. When nationalism is
    finally smashed in America. I will personally be there to
    firebomb your church, burn your Bibles, confiscate your firearms
    and take your children away. We will send them to Eastern Bloc
    schools and reeducate them to become the future leaders of a
    OneWorld Government, and to run our Socialist Republic of
    America. We are taking over the world and there is nothing you
    can do to stop us.” (Letter from a Spokane, Washington Jew to
    Christian Pastor Sheldon Emry).

    34). “We shall drive the Christians into war by exploiting
    their national vanity and stupidity. They will then massacre
    each other, thus giving room for our own people.” (Rabbi
    Reichorn, in Le Contemporain, July 1st, 1880)

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    I do respect your right to worship God as you so chose. One of the tenants of your faith is “There is no God but Allah”. I actually believe that my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ is Emmanuel (“God with us”) i.e. that he is the physical manifestation of God the Father’s glory on Earth. Further, I believe everyone not washed in the blood of the Savior will not see God in the next life. Are these not blasphemy in Islam? That is Erick’s point to say that America will not tolerate those things that are against the teachings of Islam is the same as saying, I should be ashamed of my beliefs.

  • fightnright

    kowalski, one more point – re: “hobbling human mental and spiritual evolution because it prevents people from learning and growth through the results of their choices, and is one of the greatest of evils.”

    Notice that is ~precisely~ what liberal Democrats and leftists do as they seek to control and equalize outcomes, not just opportunities. In that aspect, social engineering is one of the greatest of evils, imho, and the reason I am a Conservative.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    Please mods, please…

  • streiff

    wow pretty impressive. Was it hard translating that from German?

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    Please take your anti-Semitism over to the Daily Paul – it will be more appreciated there. *Looks like he stepped in dog poo*

  • streiff

    got him

  • dockywocky

    Obama. always the appeaser, cannot envision himself taking a stand for Christianity. He believes it just as good as islam. Buddhism. Shinto, Hinduism. All the same to him. Just the kind of gutless wonder we need as islam attacks everyone else.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    I am going to have to give streiff two gepettos; indeed robbieb is an ignorant ass and his party’s mascot is an accurate avatar for him.

  • publius1

    As much as I dislike BHO and all that he stands for, I have to say that this speech was overall rather good. Why should he, as President of the United States, say that the future belongs to Christianity? After all, he is President of all citizens, some of whom are Jewish, Muslim, Hindus, etc. And by the way, not all ‘orthodox’ Christians necessarily believe that Mohammed might not have been granted certain truths by divine providence. What he did say was that no one should encourage insults to any religion, evne though our fundamental laws guarantee freedom of speech.

  • tj7690

    Thanks for all of your replies. President Obama chooses his words very carefully. By saying “We accept that”, he allowed for the implication that there is equal validity in the U.S. protection of free speech, even hateful speech, and the restrictions on expression imposed by other countries who don’t “share” our “understanding of the protection of free speech”. It is worth pointing out that John Bolton’s commentary on Fox News suggests that this statement was left out of written version of the speech distributed by the WH.

  • fightnright

    If you didn’t post quotes from fictional characters like Rabbi Reichorn as real, you might have even the tiniest shred of credibility. But you did, so you don’t.

    begone, evil Jew-hating troll, we will have no more of you.

  • 10ab

    Yikes! You must be one paranoid and miserable dude…but good luck with that.

  • streiff

    theologically incorrect. Orthodox Christianity holds the age of public revelation closed with the death of the apostles. As the essence of Islam contradicts both Christianity and its predecessor, Judaism, it is simply not correct to give any significance to anything Mohammed may or may not have said.

  • cloefke

    In all honesty (and I’m NOT an Obama fan) taking one paragraph from his U.N. speech is not putting the whole passage in “context”. The correct context needs to include the preceeding paragraph, which reads…
    “The future must not belong to those who target Coptic Christians in Egypt – it must be claimed by those in Tahrir Square who chanted “Muslims, Christians, we are one.” The future must not belong to those who bully women – it must be shaped by girls who go to school, and those who stand for a world where our daughters can live their dreams just like our sons. The future must not belong to those corrupt few who steal a country’s resources – it must be won by the students and entrepreneurs; workers and business owners who seek a broader prosperity for all people. Those are the men and women that America stands with; theirs is the vision we will support.”"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. Yet to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see when the image of Jesus Christ is desecrated, churches are destroyed, or the Holocaust is denied. Let us condemn incitement against Sufi Muslims, and Shiite pilgrims. It is time to heed the words of Gandhi: “Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit.” Together, we must work towards a world where we are strengthened by our differences, and not defined by them. That is what America embodies, and that is the vision we will support.”I enjoy and appreciate the information that is put out on RedState, but let’s NOT float like the Left and put up half truths. Truth always has, and always will stand up for itself. To not post the entire passage in correct context is a half truth.Go Romney 2012!!!

  • PowerToThePeople

    I do not want to turn this into a Biblical discussion, do not think or know if Obama is the prelude to the AntiChrist, and have no clue when these days will end as we know it, but I do know that what the Bible foretold is coming to pass and our days on this earth are limited. Never before has the world been so Anti-God and never before has a US president openly hated all that is God. I fear for those who do not have a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ because they will soon have to make a choice and the Bible states few will make the right one.

    We who are Christians must be on our knees more than ever before.

  • ontime

    This man is not a Christian, the compilation of statements and actions say he is a muslim at best, he lies with impugnity as if he has a right to lie to infidels such as the cult law shariah commands, he is disrespectful of this nations heritage based on providence and ignores honored traditions and alliances that all other real Presidents have honored in the past, they represented the office of President with aplomb and unfortunately this Fraud cannot muster the dignity needed to see the value in this constitutional Republic or acknowledge all it has done for this world since it has existed…he is not a Christian, he is a idelogical, uncredentialed, marketed fraud.
    I PLAN ON VOTING FOR THE AMERICAN…Real credentials, integrity and ethic.

  • doncorleone

    Harrison Bergeronian political and virtual reality has finally been achieved. The left say and do and have achieved their ends because all of their work and financial application w/the indocrination of @ least 2 generations of our populace, their trap has finally been sprung, they are unafraid and unconcerned ( below the surface) of the election process. Plus. it’s a diverse and incongruous a coalition that has ever been fashioned. “Useful idiots”, from all walks of life, religious, political affiliations from the left have joined forces, and are working together, rather than battling each other for world domination. Unfortunately, we are left only w/the “tareyton” cigarettes ad campaign out of this, “fight or switch”.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    http://tedshoebat.com/2012/09/25/video-of-honor-killing/
    It might work out like this.

  • redley

    @redstate-5addc429b39957a9752b0f32f6a4019c:disqus Great post! I profoundly, agree with you. What president Obama and many of his followers don’t realize is that if it weren’t for the Christians in the United States, Jesus Christ would burn this earth to a cinder. And one day He will do just as He says He will do in Scripture.
    This world is NOT the Christian’s home. We are only passing through, but until that day comes in each of our live’s, we are to support and protect what GOD has freely given us, that being the right to be FREE. In order to maintain this gift from God and live peaceably among other people in the world, we must sometimes go to great lengths to protect ourselves, which also is a God-Given right with His help.
    The use of brutal force is sometimes needed. In this case the use of guns and other weapons that are at our disposal can offer a chiild of the Lord great success in defeating our foes.
    If any Christian understands the words of Scripture, he/she will know that God is NOT against war, but sometimes He divinely promotes it in order to restore what He desires and alligns to His purposes and will for a person/country or world.

  • MoeLane

    You were warned.

  • Oldpatriot

    Tolerance. We must get along with the Muslims. Dialogue. We must be kind and filled with aquiesence when dealing with Muslims. Contrite. We must show our true compassion when interacting with the Muslims. NUTS!! All these attacks and demonstrations shown around the world are not Muslim EXTREMISTS venting their displeasure, they are MAINSTREAM Muslims. They are the true face of Islam. This is the Muslim way. Anyone who does not believe deserves to have their head handed over. Remember Daniel Pearle. That event was the true face of Islam. The only thing these people understand is ‘my gun is bigger than your gun, therefore you lose’. Obama’s approach is to surrender to these animals at the expense of our freedom. He is a disgrace to America.

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    Really? Because I grew up in Dubai and even there had to carry my Bible with me and not in my luggage lest it disappear. And I remember friends in Saudi Arabia who had their Bibles taken. My church funds missionaries in the Middle East who would be killed if exposed. What you say is great propaganda, but I know it to not be true. If you do not believe me, stand on the street corner in Riyadh and proclaim that Jesus is the only path to Heaven as the one and only begotten Son of God. See what happens to you. I dare you to.

  • redley

    @redstate-b2218d4a538dad2f7a2de95a24455254:disqus You say you have history, but I have the bible (God’s word) and God says that HE will oppose all those who oppose His people(the Jews). I won’t bother with the Scripture ref. because you wouldn’t undstand it even if you read it because in there lies another Scripture in the bible that backs up that one as well.
    But, you go ahead and spew what you do not not understand because it is in the nature of the unregenerate man to to do!
    Hope you have a nice day! I pray it is not your last one…

  • redley

    @redstate-c5760c70cb9096bcb202bacdbc0b6ee6:disqus I believe the Scriptures God has handed down to His people are ALL true. All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
    OH, by the way, I get plenty violent about what both Christians and unbelievers think and say about God’s word, the holy bible, but I do this while on my knees each day because I have come to understand that “I” can’t do what God “CAN” do about it.
    What do you mean when you say Christian’s get heartburn_but not violent about it???
    Are your knees red and sore from meeting with God about this issue??????

  • fightnright

    This is the kind of Truth which must be reached through the ‘spiritual evolution’ mentioned in my posts below. When teaching in comparative religion, I saw how often so-called New Agers mislead others into a junk philosophy with that term.

    By ‘spiritual evolution’ I mean that path by which each individual must
    learn through often painful trial and error that self, desire and will are not an end to earthly joy or fulfillment, and that human beings are not the guiding cosmic authority Progressives might wish. When liberals/leftists block people from realizing this truth by constricting them in the condition of a false, comfortable, State-ordered materialistic ‘paradise’, they are inhibited from reaching eternal goals.

  • funwithknives

    There is a retort I commonly use for those such as yourself , and it rhymes with ‘might be’.
    Uh, Parsing your utterly ignorant wordsmithing uses the term ‘genius’.
    Something that ran past you,at lightspeed, when you were two.

  • vandalii

    In context, this is not nearly as outrageous as we’re trying to make it. He’s attempting to be sectarian, yes. He’s apologizing to Muslims (again). It would be better to not drag characters like Muhammed through the mud (even when they deserve it). I am a Christian with numerous muslim co-workers, have been investigating how to be an effective missionary in the workplace to muslims. The effective witness has to do with agreeing with them that Issa (Jesus) is great and not touch on Muhammed at all. Discussions on Muhammed are non-starters — their religion has circularly declared that Muhammed’s words (and character and life and…) cannot be questioned. Just don’t go there; that’s a gas-fire waiting for a match.
    As believers, we need to understand the pre-suppositions of those we seek to join us in the Kingdom through Christ’s Blood. Not sure I ever heard of someone converted to Christianity by insult. Slandering Muhammed closes the ears, creates a ton of heat and zero light. I agree, Muhammed is wrong. He is not a prophet of God. He is also tangential to the conversion of Muslims to Christianity. Don’t make him the focus. Remember, while we may believe logic would dictate that when the foundation of a belief system is compromised, the logical person will see the defect and look for truth. That’s Western Logic, has nothing to do with Eastern thought. And attacking Muhammed will not bring about logical discourse, will only put a barrier in the way in most settings — you’re not dealing with logic when you talk of Muhammed to a Muslim, you’re dealing in emotion, belief and faith. Logic usually won’t go there, especially Western (greek) logic and an Eastern-thinking Muslim.
    The idea that we don’t denigrate others, even those that deserve it (like Muhammed), is to stay above the mud. Christ came down on the “holy” (in their eyes) and spoke, ate, fellowshipped with the sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors. He ignored Roman religion, didn’t put down Caesar or even regional governors. Perhaps that would be an example we should follow. Yes, be educated about Muhammed’s seedy life, but not to thrust it in Muslims’ faces, but to understand why our High Priest is superior in every way to his Allah as he portrayed him in the Qur’an.
    How many of you have been convinced to vote for Obama as a result of the negative campaigning against Romney/Ryan? Similarly, why would you think “negatively campaigning” against Muhammed will be an effective witness? We have to show Christ’s love to open doors to express His call to Salvation through His death and resurrection. Folks don’t care how much you know until they know how much you care. Sorry so long. Just needed to interject a different thought — don’t attack Muhammed, he isn’t the enemy, Satan is.

  • funwithknives

    I’ve read and re-read the Qur’an and this much I do know : Current Islam,as-it-sits, doesn’t like me, care for me, honor me or give one whit about me. I am HARAM/Not Of The Book and ‘that is that’.
    Their sensitivities, their moraes, their abilities to deal it out mean nothing to me, as long as ‘meeting in the middle’ is not an option of theirs…and it is not even 151st on their ‘list of things to do today’.
    I live less than 15 miles from the largest Muslim Concentration {That’d be Dearborn, Michigan} in these United States and I know all too well what these jokers want. CAIR/Dawud Walid is omnipresent hereabouts, and it truly is ‘all about them’ and no one else, does or will matter.
    They want what every other totalitarian system wants: For Their Dialectic to succeed and to be ‘Numbah One’ . It starts with ‘ being sensitive’ and not
    ‘starting s–t’ with them and it never gets any better than that, only worse.
    BTW, I’m not attacking Muhammed, just the subhuman followers, fatwa declarers and Imams, who desecrate his intentions, so they can start A New Caliphate. This IS what they do state, is it not?

  • lawrencium

    EE,
    You engage in the worst, and most transparent form of sophistry. . Charity, justice, mercy, prudence, honesty — these are Christian virtues. These are not Christian virtues, they are human virtues, as is tolerance. If you want to believe Christians have a lock on the truth, I’m sorry for you. If you want to belive in a god who demands subservience, and will cast you into eternal burning if you don’t give it; a god who allows all the evil and suffering on this earth, a god whose appointed messengers rape boys and hide themselves, well, you sir, are just silly.

  • nomaster

    I am not a liberal and I don’t particularly care about your religions redley, muslim, christian or otherwise. No religion nor intrusive government will dictate to me.
    Have a nice day.

  • streiff

    “Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.””
    http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print

    Assclown

  • Bill S

    He’s a banned assclown, no less

  • vandalii

    Simple. My God is big enough that He doesn’t need a pipsqueak like me defending him. Be angry but do not sin. Not very easy.

  • vandalii

    I don’t understand where you go with this. Since when do we expect the lost to have anything but themselves in mind? Why would we believe we should only seek to evangelize those that like us? Why would we believe the lost have anything disdain for all that is Holy? That’s why they’re lost in the first place — we’re born separated from God. Jesus came to save the lost and He usually had words of comfort and compassion for them (remember that bit, “Father, forgive them …”?).
    No, don’t attack the followers. Torquemada already discovered that forcing people into the Kingdom doesn’t work during the Inquisition. Different tack required. If you think we should have another Crusade to rid the USA of Muslims, well, we’re right back to the barbarian tactics used by the radicals which puts us *below* them since we’ve got God’s Word and should know better.
    As Christ said, “My kingdom is not of this world…” and perhaps it is time for us to be about building the Kingdom and be less concerned about what happens in our gov’t. including who runs it. Not sure about that last bit since we have a right/privilege to be part of gov’t that the Jews in Jesus’ day never had, so, just saying pick your battles carefully, make sure they Kingdom.

  • Common_Cents

    It should be no surprise. The Blaze/Beck doing some great work again on vetting the President who never was.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ready-new-questions-about-how-obama-got-into-harvard/comment-page-3/?corder=desc#comments

  • fightnright

    “Better speak up now because you will not get to later.”

    ~*~*~*~*ding ding ding we have a winner!*~*~*~*~

    Today’s U.N. speech; tomorrow’s Executive Order.

    goodnight now and happy dreams for our future, folks. Conservatism Activism will prevent them from turning into Socialist nightmares.

  • oraclebill

    This article seems to make the case that to hold any other religion other than Christianity is offensive to all Christians.. Is that true?

  • oraclebill

    What other topics do you refer to Madonna as an authority on?

  • oraclebill

    Honestly, if he were a muslim, would be be pro-choice? I know a few muslims, and they are as socially conservative as any of the devout christians I know..

    I know I’m not going to convince anyone here, but the idea that Obama is a muslim (secret or no) is pretty silly. He’s just a politician. Just like Mitt..

  • oraclebill

    Do you believe that Jews slander Jesus by not recognizing him as the messiah?

  • oraclebill

    wow. so this is what an american taliban sounds like..

  • oraclebill

    This is not true.

    Taking the perspective that all muslims are exactly like the ones that show up on the evening news is the same as saying all blacks are criminals or all storms are hurricanes. In fact, it’s probably the same as thinking all christians want to burn korans because some fool in florida did, or all americans hate islam because some fool posted a video on youtube..

  • westcoastpatriette

    I have never heard of a Christian who thinks it is “slander” if someone does not recognize Jesus as the messiah. Foolish, blind or ignorant, maybe, but not slanderous.

  • oraclebill

    Or, it might work out like my marriage of 17 years..

  • PowerToThePeople

    So Billy, are you really that stupid or just playing the part? I bet when you typed that comment, you sat back with a smug look and said to yourself, “I am smart and clever imbecile!”

    Tell you what, got a great game for you to play and only a person of your IQ can play this game. I want you to dress in all black, go outside when it is dark, go to the nearest busy freeway, close your eyes, and then cross the road. You win if you make it to the other side. But even if you win, the game is not over, just keep repeating the process until you finally quit wasting vital oxygen the rest of humanity can put to a better use.

  • westcoastpatriette

    kowalski…and we certainly don’t take it personally or want to kill anyone over it…even if it was slanderous.

  • oraclebill

    it seems that if there is more then one religion, then the amount of blasphemous beliefs will be equally shared… the question is can we live together with them. Our founders had some thoughts on how to accomplish that.

    Also, I don’t get why saying that we won’t tolerate religious hatred equates to you feeling like you need to be ashamed of your beliefs.

  • Bill S

    wow. So this is what a banned Redstate commenter sounds like.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    and not only that – he is plagiarizing Aaron Sorkin so he is even unoriginal in his trolling

  • JSobieski

    I don’t disagree with what you wrote, but I do disagree with the implied assessment that all religions are equivalent on the issue of fanatics, bonheads, and intolerance. You wouldn’t argue that all ideas are equally valuable or equally dangerous. You wouldn’t argue that all political ideas are equally valid or equally problematic. You shouldn’t imply that fanaticism, boneheadedness, and intolerance are just statistically expected negative behaviors. Beliefs and ideas matter. It is no coincidence that Christianity has the beatitudes and the admonition to render onto Caesar what is Caesar’s Similarly, it is no coincidence that Muhammed told his followers to “smite the knecks” of certain individuals, personally took slaves, or that 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for apostacy.

  • JSobieski

    Islam rewrites everything that is meaningful about Judaism and Christianity. It teaches that we follow distorted teachings. The dispute is far worse than simply the closing of revelation. For Islam to be right, Jewish and Christian theology have to be diabolical lies—-not mere errors.
    Christianity is truly grounded and born out of Judaism.
    Islam does not recognize any of the teachings of Jesus that appear in the New Testament, so how meaningful is it that Islam professes to acknowledge Jesus as a prophet. In their end of days theology, Jesus will come back and kill Christians with a sword.

  • PowerToThePeople

    You do know religion already “dictates” your life, right? All the tough guy comments you have made and the implied “I will shoot it out with them” crap you posted does not change the reality that much of this country and its laws were based upon Christian principles and that affects you each and every day. You must not have minded that much since you are here blathering rather than shooting it out with the local law.

  • http://lvjohnston.blogspot.com/ lvjohnston

    @cwfoster, I ignore TV and other MSM outlets (stories with an AP byline in the local paper, for example) allows me to sleep much better without the din of BS ringing in my ears.
    @tnfriend I simply don’t believe what the administration *says*… it’s what it *does* that matters… then I know what to believe

  • http://lvjohnston.blogspot.com/ lvjohnston

    And the first 10 amendments, AKA the Bill of Rights were only added after several of the states flat out refused to sign onto the Constitution otherwise. The political class has never been fond of allowing others to have the same powers they grant themselves.

    Use ‘em or lose ‘em…

  • http://lvjohnston.blogspot.com/ lvjohnston

    I’m glad I wasn’t the only one to notice… I was getting sick to my stomach.

  • teapartypatriot4ever

    There you have it- The anti-American / pro-radical islamist US President in full view of the all the world to see and hear..  Obama no longer even tries to pretend to hide his anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-US Constitution / pro-radical islamic muslim views, position, and agenda.

    If Islam and it’s agents of evil are intolerant of, and have no respect for Freedom of Speech, however it may offend islam, or any other entity in the world, is their problem, not ours.. Freedom and Liberty is not for sale at any price, and will be defended to our last breath.

    How can any American vote for someone- ie; Obama, who seeks the demise and destruction of their own country- America, and that of the State of Israel, as well as the whole of western civilization, which is exactly what Islam states, represents, dictates, and is fully engaged in, with Obama’s consent and willful cooperation.

    6 Nov cannot come soon enough, as your last day in office Obama, with a pink slip saying- “You’re Fired” is coming !!! 

  • norris

    If you give money to the Catholic church some will go to the Vatican ,if give to the Methodist some will go to Nashville . When Muslims donate some money will go to the middle eastern terrorist.

  • sernserbin

    I am not a Christian, I am not a Muslim, I am a Humanist…but I respect other people’s right to practice their faith, as they deem necessary. As an American, I would feel disgusted by a government telling me what religion I had to practice. That is the entire issue with the Muslim Brotherhood, it is an extremist group, attempting to force their religion on others….just as Christians did during the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition. There are cult-like Christian groups right here in the US that believe forcing Christianity through force is “God’s Will”. What about the insult to Christianity that the Presidential Candidate’s Mormon faith is based on the word of a 14 year old boy who believe’s that in God and Jesus spoke to him in Manchester, New York?!?! In this nation, we have freedom of speech and the statement that the government shall not impose a religion on its people, all under the 1st Amendment! *The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.* To insinuate that the President should denounce someone’s religion, or their God, is against their 1st Amendment rights…not to mention, against their basic human rights. No one is trying to take your imaginary friend away just yet, so until that happens, let them keep theirs!

  • sernserbin

    Maybe they worked on Sunday….For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.

  • sernserbin

    The Bible says the same is multiple verses in the “Good Book”!
    They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. – 2 Chron 15:12-13

  • sernserbin

    The Bible is quite clear. We must kill everyone who does not believe in God. There are approximately 30 million people in America who do not believe in any God. There are tens of million more who believe in gods other than the God of the Bible. The Bible commands that we kill them all.

  • sernserbin

    Trolling?? Seriously?!?! Reality Checks in a bubble of ignorance is necessary, especially when this hate is being bathed in.

  • sernserbin

    Seems a lot like what is in Christian history….Wait, Christians are far worse!

    A conservative estimate puts the total number of brutal deaths in the 20 th century at more than 250 million. Of these, Muslims are responsible for less than 10 million deaths. Christians, or those coming from Christian backgrounds account for more than 200 million of these! The greatest death totals come from World War I (about 20 million, at least 90 % of which were inflicted by “Christians”) and World War II ( 90 million, at least 50% of which were inflicted by “Christians,” the majority of the rest occurring in the Far East). Given this grim history, it appears that we Europeans must all come to grips with the fact that Islamic civilization has actually been incomparably less brutal than Christian civilization. Did the Holocaust of over 6 million Jews occur out of the background of a Muslim Civilization?

  • sernserbin

    Seriously, open a Book! The horrible truth is that, numerically and statistically speaking, Christian Civilization is the bloodiest and most violent of all civilizations in all of history, and is responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths. Have you forgotten all of your history?

  • sernserbin

    The comments from your “followers” show me that this forum is a platform for the ignorant, that have forgotten Christian history. So here is a refresher, for all of those that have not bothered to read anything besides the Bible and your blog.

    Religion has often been used to excuse violence and intolerance throughout history. Today, even I have to argue that things are much better than they were during the Crusades, Inquisition or Holocaust as far as violence in the name of “God.” However, such violence still exists and will continue as long as religions remain exclusionary – believing that anyone who does not believe the way they believe is “damned” to some sort of eternal rot. Throughout history, such exclusionary views have caused:

    The Crusades (Beginning 1095): As a religious driven military movement, the Crusades, fought mainly against Muslims, were efforts to recapture the “Holy Land” which lead to irrational claims of “crosses” appearing on chests of leaders, demoralization of non-Christians and mass murders of innocent men, women and children.
    The Inquisition (Beginning 1184): The purpose of the Inquisition was stated in a 1578 handbook for inquisitors as, “… for punishment does not take place primarily and per se for the correction and good of the person punished, but for the public good in order that others may become terrified and weaned away from the evils they would commit.” Such as statement makes it clear that the goal was to inspire fear amongst a people in order to rule and conquer them. During the Inquisitions church leaders often supported the enslavement and/or murder of “heretics”.
    Reformation (circa 1518): The intent of the Reformation was to restore Christianity to a more “pure” form. In order to do so, millions upon millions of Europeans were murdered as Catholics murdered Protestants and Protestants murdered Catholics. In some instances, those that “opposed” the church authority were murdered and hung in cages as a reminder to all what happens to such persons.
    Witch Hunts (beginning circa 1480 in Europe): The witch hunts in the United States were short lived and resulted in very few deaths compared to the witch hunts in Europe where countless people were wrongfully murdered after bogus trials.
    The Holocaust (beginning circa 1933): Christian Fundamentalism was a primary cause of the Holocaust. Jewish persons had been murdered and enslaved throughout Europe’s violent Christian history and the Nazi’s continued this long tradition of murder – claiming it to be for the betterment of God and God’s wish. Although the Jewish people took the largest number of casualties, other groups were murdered including, homosexuals, Soviet citizens, political prisoners and the disabled.
    The Christian Identity Movement (circa 1915): Crimes Against the Jewish, African Americans and Homosexuals continued in the name of “God” with the advent of groups such as the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) during the Christian Identity Movement. These groups again made claims of their intentions to purify the Christian religion and use violence, intimidation and other horrifying methods to make their case. Other groups which are considered part of the Christian Identity Movement include: the American Nazi Party; Aryan Nations; Church of Jesus Christ Christian; Jubilee, National Association for the Advancement of White People; The Order; Scriptures for America; White Aryan Resistance (WAR); and White Separatist Banner.

  • Jack_Savage

    So exactly how many lives have been transformed by your “Humanist” religion?

    And you need to understand when a religion is in direct contradiction to the founding principles in every way. That is, if you really believe in all that humanism stuff. And then, since you are an expert on the founding documents, maybe you could tell us where our rights as people come from, since our “friend” is “imaginary”

    Your argument fell apart the second you typed “I’m a humanist”. How smug, and at the same time, how sad.

  • PowerToThePeople

    I would address your insult towards those of faith in your last line, but then I would have to imagine you have a brain capable of understanding anything beyond childish gibberish and I would not want to waste my time. And since it is obvious from the tripe you posted above that you have a very low IQ, it is also a waste of time to attempt to educate you.

    Hope other humanist are not using you as an example of their theories.

  • Melody Warbington

    @redstate-8d793851fc03b5064c12d910234909c0:disqus Christianity teaches otherwise. You quoted an O.T. verse, and while there are many reasons as to why we should continue to study and learn from it (see http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1217-the-value-of-old-testament-study), as Christians we are no longer bound by the law of Moses since it was “nailed to the cross” when Christ died (see http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1355-is-the-law-of-moses-torah-still-binding). The articles I link provide a detailed explanation of my comment if you care enough to learn.

  • streiff

    cute. But a history and logic FAIL. And a terrible trolling attempt.

  • cbond01

    The future must not belong to people that speak evil of white Americans.

  • khandafarai

    point of correction. muslims dont worship mohammed(pbuh). and that is one of the major difference betn christianity and islam. i wonder why people often get this point wrong. in islam, salvation comes from god. straight up. not through any saviour as in christianity which is through jesus christ(pbuh)

  • khandafarai

    u failed to read this verse quoted above before making comment 2 Chron 15:12-13

  • khandafarai

    do we need finaly finaly finaly revised bible then?

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    I knew that. My bad. I should have said: “The movie director is not doing anything to prevent following the prophet Mohammad of Islam.

  • Bill S

    “through Jesus Christ” … who, by the way, IS God. See Trinity, Doctrine of.

  • jamesm

    Khandafari—Muslims exalt Mohammed over any other being in heaven or on Earth. Mohammed means the “Praised One” When a simple cartoon is published we see muslims rioting and killing. Muslims say they do not but this is utter hypocrisy. PBUH in Arabic is “Salla Allahu A’layhi wa sallam” which means the prayers and salutation Allah be upon [Mohammed] him. Muslims leave this out but this actually means that Allah himself bowed and prayed to Mohammed. Or go to the Koran 33:56 which says the Allah and his angels pray upon Mohammed. This is absolutely hypocritical.

  • jamesm

    Mike you are not incorrect. See my response to Khandafari

  • jamesm

    Sernderbin …Same talking point. There is a New Covenant.

  • jamesm

    Khadafari..New Covenant. Christians are not under the law anymore but the grace of God.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Yes, by a broad definition of worship, I was right in some way. Diety might be the better difference on that level. But in terms of the written books, the lack of a turn the other cheek-er as the Son of God in the Koran is a much bigger difference.

  • jamesm

    Muslims don’t believe Jesus is the son of God. They believe he is a good man and a minor prophet. To them it is blasphemous to say Jesus is the son of God. Islam (approx 600 years later) took from the Bible parts and corrupted the Bible to create the Koran. Their savior is the Mahdi. He is the Antichrist in our Bible. Hence the word Anti-Christ. Satan wants to be worshiped like God. This is why we have Islam. This is why they attack Christians.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Yes, I understand the import of Obama’s reference to slander in this context and as a Christian I do consider false religions to be an instrument of the Devil.

  • dajeeps

    The issue with the video is contrived to cover up failure of Obama’s foreign policy directives at multiple levels, from failure in embassy security to apology and appeasement. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence that Chris Steven’s murder was premeditated to coincide with the anniversary of 9/11, Obama continues to hang onto this shameless lie. In addition, he has his puppet US Attorney, Andre Birotte, abusing the man who allegedly posted the trailer for the video, locking him up and throwing away the key over some supposed violation of terms of parole for a 21-month sentence commencing in 2002 – there are so many lies involved than just what appears on the surface.

  • Melody Warbington

    No. The Bible has withstood the test of time and challenges.

    http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/757-the-canon-of-sacred-scripture

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    AHAHAHAA Yer Funy. Not really.

  • sheryl daivs

    wrong again…read

  • sheryl daivs

    You should probably read the entire chapter and not take a few scriptures out of context before quoting them…we are taught to “love thy neighbor as thyself”. Read the bible before you go taking scriptures here and there to make your self sound knowledgable.

  • streiff

    text without context is a pretext. But your proof text is really no more an adequate explanation of Christianity than the one you are objecting to.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremy-Barger/1273613045 Jeremy Barger

    This site is extraordinarily stupid.

  • streiff

    and you aren’t?

  • sheryl daivs

    Would you like me to quote the entire chapter for you? I am not going to “hash” this out here, it would take days or longer, but just know that being a christian is not a religion, it’s a relationship with Christ and knowing that He is my salvation. Everyone has a choice and yours may be not to believe, but mine is to believe and I find have a peace that passes understanding with this. I don’t judge you or anyone else for their beliefs even if I disagree. I just pray for you and hope that your heart is opened. I don’t agree with our president and believe he is not good for our country, but I still pray for him and the decisions he makes. I think there are a lot of misconceptions being thrown around here about Christianity, but at least it makes people think and hopefully do a little research….hearts could be changed by this for the good and God be glorified!

  • Guest

    this just shows how i

  • disqus_HMENSoYUMK

    lol this just shows how ignorant you guys are of the teachings of islam. just like the author of the article. mohamed is just like any human being but we respect him and love him dearly because of what he went through to get this message to us. also God chose him to deliver this message. as for “pbuh” reference that is a perfect example of how ignorant you guys are. we do that for every prophet sent by God out of respect including Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Adam and so on. tell me do u guys worship the judge when you say “your honor”….what i really wonder is do u guys do this out of laziness to acquire knowledge or you deliberately want to defame islam?…regardless of ur intentions it won’t work because islam is the religion of God and he himself said in the quran “6) Who doth greater wrong than one who invents falsehood against Allah, even as he is being invited to Islam? And Allah guides not those who do wrong. (7) Their intention is to extinguish Allah’s Light (by blowing) with their mouths: but Allah will complete (the revelation of) His Light, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it). “

  • disqus_HMENSoYUMK

    also your other lie. meaning of “Pbuh” or salalahu alayhi wasalam. means peace and blessings be upon him. that is not only for him. what do muslims great with each other? peace be upon you. “asalamu alaykum. and you ur quatation for verse 33:56 first of all you quoted first 55 not 56 u misinterpreted it again. when you ask for forgiveness that is prayer. and that is the type of the prayer this is refering to. islam clearly forbids bowing down to anything except God. just the same way when we speak of our dead we say may mercy of God be upon him. that is a prayer. lastly i will show you what God says of mohamed from the same chapter you quoted just different verses. (44) O Prophet! Truly We have sent thee as a Witness, a Bearer of Glad Tidings, and a Warner― (45) And as one who invites to Allah’s (Grace) by His leave, and as a Lamp spreading Light.”…….. educate yourself because you might be able to fool these non muslims who don’t know anything about islam but when you go to any knowledgable muslim or non muslim you would only look stupid

  • disqus_HMENSoYUMK

    the title says it all. “the future does not belong to practicing christians” so you are trying say it is and you try to blame islam as the relgion trying for world domination. how ironic. also i never expected you to believe in mohamed and that is not obama said you are clearly twisting his word. by believing in jesus as god you already believe mohamed is false prophet. common sense. that is why there is a hell and heaven. this is clear difference of view point and believes. it is not disrespect and insult. i don’t believe that jesus is son of God thus i believe christianity is false relgion. have i insulted you? have i disrespected you? but what if i started calling jesus names? completely different. it amazes me how ppl listen to bullshit like this

  • jamesm

    Nonsense. Pbuh in regards to Muhammed , in Arabic, means exactly what is written. You can not refute. Nor the passages of the Koran. But you do bring up a point. Many imams will say one thing in Arabic and then soften it or change the meaning to the English speaking audience. My God is the true God. Islam was created approximately 600 years after our Savior walked the earth. The Koran is the antithesis of the Bible. I pray for your salvation but that salvation does not run through Allah. Allah is a God of War. Christians are not attacking Muslims because of their religion. But Muslimsre attacking Christians. The words of Jesus Christ were recorded in the Bible. Read them. Islam is not a peaceful religion. As far as this statement:
    .
    “Their intention is to extinguish Allah’s Light (by blowing) with their mouths: but Allah will complete (the revelation of) His Light, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it). ”
    .
    Truth will abide. If words can extinguish Allah then so be it, but the intention is salvation for Muslims trapped in a lie. I am sure you disagree but choose wisely..your salvation depends on it. Read both with and open heart.

  • jamesm

    Muhammed is a man, not a prophet. It is your choice to believe what you choose. If you say that Jesus is not the Son of God then you are wrong. Insulted..no. If you say Christianity is false religion then you are wrong. Insulted…no. Disrespected…no. It is very insightful that you are defending Obama.

  • streiff

    I suppose this passes for logic on your planet.

  • Corvar

    Look, outside of his speeches, and beyond the potential reaction of the US electorate, the larger issue is, if it ever comes out that President Barack Hussein Obama was actually indeed -once- a Muslim, but -abandoned- Islam to seek another faith, he is thereby, by definition, an -apostate- and the problem with THAT is that the various collections of Hadith state quite clearly and with no ambiguity whatsoever that apostates are to be killed — even the standard commentary of Baidhawi says on the first passage: “Whosoever turns back from his belief (irtada), openly or secretly, take him and kill him wheresoever ye find him, like any other infidel.” So, all those types of Muslims around the world who have chosen to live their lives in dogmatic obedience to the words of these ancient texts would feel compelled to commit even more aggression against the USA (commonly referred to by many as “The Great Satan” in the street and in the Mosques), since it would now be -officially- led by an apostate. So, rather than invoke another pointless paroxysm of rage across the Muslim world that can only result in more bloodshed of all involved parties, let’s all just pretend happily that he was never a Muslim, turn a blind eye to any dispute and not look any further into the matter.

  • 2shinyshoes

    Who writes these speeches this clown keeps giving? He is such a fool…breathtaking stupidity. Hope he never plays poker, he exposes himself at every turn. Is there any way he can be given a one-way ticket back to Kenya in January? Complete Moron. Trailer trash before our eyes.

  • mickydean

    I believe the same thing, say so many lies some will get through. So the best approach is to consider all of it lies,then you don’t have to spend the time checking them out.

  • rtresch

    Quotes that put the paragraph you claim supports his saying “The future does not belong to practicing Christians:
    “At times, the conflicts arise along the fault lines of faith, race or tribe; and often they arise from the difficulties of reconciling tradition and faith with the diversity and interdependence of the modern world. In every country, there are those who find different religious beliefs threatening; in every culture, those who love freedom for themselves must ask how much they are willing to tolerate freedom for others. ”
    “We do so because given the power of faith in our lives, and the passion that religious differences can inflame, the strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression, it is more speech – the voices of tolerance that rally against bigotry and blasphemy, and lift up the values of understanding and mutual respect.”
    That brand of politics – one that pits East against West; South against North; Muslim against Christian, Hindu, and Jew – cannot deliver the promise of freedom.”
    “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. Yet to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see when the image of Jesus Christ is desecrated, churches are destroyed, or the Holocaust is denied. Let us condemn incitement against Sufi Muslims, and Shiite pilgrims. It is time to heed the words of Gandhi: “Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit.” Together, we must work towards a world where we are strengthened by our differences, and not defined by them. That is what America embodies, and that is the vision we will support.”
    A quote from your article that demonstrates that your brand of politics is one that “pits … Muslim against Christian”.
    “It is an orthodox Christian belief that Mohammed is not a prophet. Actual Christians, as opposed to many of the supposed Christians put up by the mainstream media, believe that Christ is the only way to salvation. Believing that is slandering Mohammed. That’s just a fact. If you don’t believe me, you go into the MIddle East and proclaim Christ is the way, the truth, and the life and see what happens to your life.”
    I am a practicing Catholic, and have been for 60+ years. I have been taught that Mohammed, while not considered a prophet OF Christianity, is considered a profit of Islam. One of the things your article does not cover is that Muslims believe in the Old Testament, same as the Jews, and they believe Christ was a great prophet. Muslims, like Jews and Eastern Religions, do not believe that Christ was God incarnate, and they do not believe in the Trinity. I read the Koran some years ago, but it did not speak to me in any meaningful way, mostly it was because I find descriptions of long ago battles somewhat boring. However, it did give me an understanding of and tolerance for Muslims. We live in the United States, a country founded on religious freedom. To me, that is one of the more important freedoms this country offers. The middle east, Libya, Eygpt, Saudia Arabia, etc., are muslim controlled countries and they have no freedom of religion in those countries. To go there and preach the risen Christ is asking to be thrown into prison, at the least. If you choose to go to those countries to preach, you must take into account that these countries do not have freedom of religion, and it could cost you your life. That is the challenge missionaries accept when going to these countries to preach the risen Christ. And, are you any different from the Muslims? Are you not denigrating all religions except Christianity? It sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.
    Another quote from your article: “Then Barack Obama went on to say “Yet to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see when the image of Jesus Christ is desecrated, churches are destroyed, or the Holocaust is denied.” Note he says we cannot “slander the prophet of Islam” but it’s only the image of Christ in the next sentence — not actually Christ himself desecrated. If this is so, why does Barack Obama’s government continue funding the National Endowment for the Arts, which funded Christ in piss, the Virgin Mary painted in dung, etc.?” Most desecration of Christ is the desecration of the cross and the image of Christ. Just as you desecrate Mohammed, are they not free to desecrate your belief in Christ? And not believing in Christ, is not desecrating him. I think the definition of the word desecrate is applicable. Mirriam-Webster defines it as:
    “1. to violate the sanctity of; 2. to treat disrespectfully, irreverently, or outrageously.
    The actions in definition no.1 are what is at issue with regard to religion and no. 2 has a more secular meaning. And, as I pointed out earlier, and as President Obama stated very clearly in his speech, this country guarantees freedom of speech. More specifically, the Federal Government shall not abridge the rights of citizens to engage in free speech. To NOT fund the small minority of projects at the NEA which profane the image of Christ, would be an action expressly prohibited to the government by the Constitution.I’ve run out of time and cannot devote any more time to debunking your article as Hate Propaganda intended to fuel the right-wing extremists in the Republican Party to further hate the President. You and your ilk are responsible for the “desecration of the President” as in definition no. 2. At a time when people are taking pot shots at Obama campaign headquarters, a little restraint would seem to be in order, unless the asassination of the President is your goal.

  • PowerToThePeople

    60 plus years old, as you stated, and yet in all those years you could not stop being a moron. Such a shame. Your replies and “explanations” have to be the dumbest I have ever seen in many years.

    Do yourself a favor, throw away your computer. Do it for your pride, what little may be left.

  • Bill S

    you and your ilk are left-wing losers. Don’t come back.