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A Clash of Civilizations At Home And Abroad


It is a tired vignette, a cliche that is beyond parody.

The ostensibly elected president or senior cabinet official of some Third World pest hole takes to the rostrum at the United Nations to chastise the United States for its terrible record on human rights or its lack of respect. The State Department and the American left sagely nods its addled head and agrees. Yes. We have been very, very bad to [fill in your favorite oppressed group here]. Yes. We are racists and vile colonialists.

This week we saw it again but this time in was farcical and made dangerous by the actions of the current regime in the White House.

As we are all aware by now, through a series of utterly boneheaded decisions we had diplomatic facilities in several countries attacked on 9/12/2012. Our embassy in Cairo and a consulate in Benghazi were sacked. An ambassador and three staff members slaughtered. The Obama regime, in an attempt to deflect blame from themselves and finding blaming President Bush not credible even to the slobbering sycophants in the nation’s newsrooms contrived to blame a YouTube video that purports to be the trailer to a movie no one has seen. This movie, as best I can determine, does little more than do a better job of describing the activities of Mohammed than anything we’ve seen in the Western press.

Last Friday, the Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, the representative of an islamist regime, spoke at the UN dispensing this wisdom to the United States and the world.

“Unfortunately, Islamophobia has also become a new form of racism like anti-Semitism. It can no longer be tolerated under the guise of freedom of expression. Freedom does not mean anarchy,” he told the 193-nation U.N. General Assembly on Friday.

While Turkey’s record on religious freedom may be acceptable it the Middle East, by the standards of civilized nations it is abysmal. Seminaries are controlled by the government, religious officials are not allowed to criticize the government, religions must be licensed by the government, etc. Likewise, its understanding of the concept of free speech is exotic to say the least.

To make a long point short, Mr. Davutoglu, is hardly in a position to lecture anyone about much of anything. We are the country we are, Turkey a benighted pimple on Europe’s buttocks, precisely because of our respective values.

He was followed after a time by Egyptian president Mohamed Mursi. It may have escaped Mr. Mursi’s attention that Cairo is, in fact, in Egypt. Rather than express regret for the outrageous behavior apparently condoned by his security forces, he, too, felt free to lecture the United States:

“Egypt respects freedom of expression, freedom of expression that is not used to incite hatred against anyone,” he said. “We expect from others, as they expect from us, that they respect our cultural specifics and religious references, and not impose concepts or cultures that are unacceptable to us.”

Egypt’s policies on religious freedom and free speech make the situation in Turkey resemble a Berkeley commune in 1968. On the positive side, if you want to live where you can legally have sex with your dead wife, Egypt is definitely your country.

What both of these islamists seem to not understand is that 1) there is no such thing as islamophobia, 2) the actions of a private citizen in another country are of no concern to them, and 3) if their populace is so uncultured and barbaric that it riots at the drop of a turban or suicide vest then they perhaps have little standing to lecture others on standards of deportment.

But these represent the thugocracies so endemic in the Arab and islamic world. Not much surprise.

What is more stunning is the reaction at home.

Obama had to use his time on the stage at the UN not to demand accountability from a handful of lawless nations for damage to our facilities and the deaths of our diplomats. No, he had to assure the assembly that in his narrow, crabbed world view that the future would not belong to “those who slander the prophet of Islam,” apparently unaware that he, himself, has claimed to be a Christian which by definition means we deny there was a “prophet of Islam.”

First, we have the president and secretary of state criticizing the activities of a private citizen carried out inside the United States to foreign countries. In fact, you and me, taxpayers, paid for the privilege of having free speech criticized via paid television advertisements to a country only barely worthy of the name.

Now we have one of the liberal brain trust, a rent seeker names Eric Posner, thinking big brain thoughts in Slate. He concludes that free speech really isn’t an American value, notwithstanding that First Amendment nonsense, and it is really over valued.

But there is another possible response. This is that Americans need to learn that the rest of the world—and not just Muslims—see no sense in the First Amendment. Even other Western nations take a more circumspect position on freedom of expression than we do, realizing that often free speech must yield to other values and the need for order. Our own history suggests that they might have a point.

Pay attention. If your kids are going to law school at University of Chicago, this is what they are being taught.

He was not alone. John Kerry, who I understand was in Vietnam, John Rockefeller, and reporter named Sarah Chayes, who now lives in a country where women can’t leave the house unless they are completely covered — though I will admit she makes a damned good case for why that is appropriate dress at least in her case — also weighed in. They seem to be advocating what even NPR contemptuously calls a “foreign policy exception” to the First Amendment.

Though I completely supported George Bush’s attempt to bring some semblance of civilization to the Arab world, I now despair that it is even possible. It is a culture that is bogged down in the early 12th century that has no desire to change. Fine. So long as we can siphon off their oil I don’t have a problem with them happily slaughtering each other for amusement.

A greater concern is the abject cowardice that now permeates our political class. We have had the president, secretary of state, and US senators condemn the non-violent and constitutionally protected activity of a US citizen operating within the borders of the United States. We have a prominent law professor torturing US history on the rack to have it confess that the First Amendment never before meant what we think it means.

And our values are being sold out to appease people who have nothing to offer us and who can’t be appeased in the first place.

COMMENTS

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    This is the kind of situation that makes me want to grab the rest of the world by its collective shoulders and shake them as hard as I can while shouting as loudly as I can, “What part of this concept do you not understand???!!! You obviously, through your own demonstrations in your own countries, including burning our flag and accusing us of being the Great Satan, know what it is to openly criticize those of a different culture and nation. Do you not understand that we are also allowed to say what we will about your countries and your cultures as freely as you condemn ours?” The double standards of the United Nations are a giant wart on the nose of our planet.

  • renl57

    That wasn’t NPR that attacked the notion of a “foreign policy exception” to the First Amendment.

    That was Gabe Rothman of the ACLU. To their credit, he stated explicitly that criticizing a major religion is “a classic exercise of the First Amendment.”

  • agooglyminotaur

    This seems pretty silly to me. Davutoglu is pro-West and a staunch capitalist, and Turkey is the world’s 16th largest economy, not the nasty description given above. I agree that there should be no religious limitations on freedom of speech, and the reaction to the film and cartoons is nothing short of brutish, but I think you’re holding up the wrong boogeyman here.

  • streiff

    a lot of Nazis were pretty nice guys, too.

  • streiff

    I disagree. Freedom of religion is restricted in Turkey. It is, for example, illegal to repair a Christian church without a government permit and the government will not grant a permit. The government runs the seminaries of all faiths. The current government is islamist and has been trying to change the Turkish constitution from its current secular form. If you think it is silly then I have to wonder why you’re wasting your time reading it.

  • commonsenseobserver

    Wut???

  • agooglyminotaur

    That’s why I included my last sentence. I’m saying that if all Muslims don’t want to all be lumped in with violent extremists, they need to reject those elements outright. We don’t need a Neville Chamberlain policy of appeasement; giving in to demands for ‘sensitivity’ only legitimizes the violence. The necessary change must come from within Islam, not without.

  • agooglyminotaur

    You’re free to disagree, but your last sentence was a little unnecessary, don’t you think? And as far as I know, the constitutional reforms proposed in 2010 had nothing to do with changing the constitution from its “secular” form; to the contrary, they strengthened civil protections, improved checks and balances in the government, introduced new protections for women, and so forth.

    Your argument would be stronger if you could back it up with a source. Could you please direct me to where I can learn more about these alleged AKP efforts to de-secularize the constitution?

  • streiff

    actually my last sentence is the most important one. As I see it right now, you’re trolling us. The decision we moderators have to collectively make is how long we let it go on.

    As to the AKP they are an islamist party. Analyses of their proposals for changing the constitution agree that they are focused on keeping the AKP in power. The one man one vote one time model we are familiar with. I don’t know where you get the idea that women will benefit from a party who has a national leader that has declared “A woman without a headscarf resembles a house without curtains. A house without curtains is either for sale or for rent.”

  • agooglyminotaur

    I’m not trolling. I was asking for a source on your claim that the AKP is “trying to change the Turkish constitution from its current secular form.”

    And obviously that comment from a regional official is abhorrent and uncivilized; I’m not disputing that. I was asking if that attitude is indeed reflected in the proposed national changes to the constitution.

  • cwfoster

    What absolutely DISGUSTS me, is the amount of blood and treasure we will undoubtedly have to spend to purchase back a modicum of our credibility after these fifth columnists are gone.
    “Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it”- George Santayana
    Carter gutted the military, and Reagan had to invade Grenada, and Nicaragua to convince Western Hemisphere leftists that we wouldn’t stand idly by while they expeand their intrests against ours. G.H.W Bush had to intervene to keep Saddam Hussein from seizing control of half the worlds know oil reserves. THEN Bill Clinton gave us the “Peace Dividend” and we had the first WTC bombing, The Cole, The Embassies in Africa being bombed, Khobar Towers, and the planning phase of 9/11/01. G.W Bush invaded Afghanistan, and Iraq, and Ghaddaffi gave up his nuclear ambitions. Now we have Obama playing social engineering games with the military, imposing ludicrous rules of engagement, (beleive it or not they are doing the equivalent of layoffs in the name of ‘force structuring’ in the military, at the same tim sequestering $497,000,000,000 from defense spending while requiring the Navy and Air Force to evaluate $36/gal bio-jet fuel! While arming Islamist rebels in Mideast hotspots, creating a dozen new Afghanistans, and emboldening our enemies and alienating our allies! And they say the polling numbers are close.
    Jesus God, maybe we deserve to be wiped out!

  • agooglyminotaur

    Thanks– I see you do have a point regarding reducing military control. It also seems the party has strengthened women’s rights in the labor market and civil code, but that many observers believe these changes are to encourage EU membership rather than actually representing the party philosophy.

    I’d always viewed Turkey as the most secular of the middle eastern countries and didn’t realize that, for instance, the ban on headscarfs in university has been lifted by the AKP last year. Here’s an interesting piece on the areas where the AKP has been moderate, and others where skeptics have begun to suspect a hidden agenda: http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2012/04/24-turkey-new-model-taspinar

  • celador2

    streiff, we have friends and allies inside Egypt that do not back the Arab Spring junta and later Brotherhood. Obama abandoned Egypt whe he supported Arab Spring on TV 2011. 82 mil Egyptians were never asked how they felt about abandoning known ally Mubarak and his structures/laws in favor of Abab Spring chaos and regressions.

    Drudge ran a link yesterday on set backs in women’s rights inside Egypt from the Mubarak era when ‘Suzzane laws’ were so influential and powerful. The president’s wife for decades added stature and support to Egyptian women

    The pressure is on to roll back age of consent for girls to marry and many fear child marriage will return. Also going away may be similar laws that protect young girls from being married off under the guise of child sex traffic. The Ultra Islamic politiician who proposes the changes from Mubarak era says he does not want parents prosecuted. Only known sex providers will be targeted in sex traffic laws.

    Females across Egypt have suffered under regressive laws in Egypt and more may come into existence as Obama reinforces these Morsi approved actions based on sharia.. Obama gives legitimacy to Morsi and current Egypt voices.
    It need not be.
    President Obama has backing worldwide in arenas.where opinions are made and reinforced from academia, clergy, schools media and UN. One word from Obama, president of the United States to friends could reassure them that we stand with them as always and .hold the same values as always. We will take a stand for these values as we did with Mubarak.
    Obama moves in the wrong direction!

  • mcbee555

    For the Turkish ambassador to cite anti-Muslim practices is really an irony. Turkey talks of anti-semitism as though that country doesn’t practice it! The more I’m exposed to Islam, the more I believe it is this world’s greatest contradiction of stable belief.
    Wherever Islam abuts any other religion, be it western China, India, Mid-East, or Europe, there is bloodshed. The perpetrators, with rare exception, are Muslims driven to a fervor by their imams and their shariah.

  • rightlane1111

    Well…if it is so overrated then perhaps we need not listen to them either. Maybe Conservatives should take a page out of their book. We’ve let them brainwash our kids in schools/colleges changing facts and figures so why bother.

    This president, his policies, his czars have done more to erode our Constitution than anyone holding the presidency. Further…he’s fast catching up with the likes of Hitler.

  • grumpyKoz

    the Quran still says, conquer, convert or kill.
    As nice as all the other writings may be, their ‘prime directive’ is to convert or kill.
    Just on of many passages:
    Quran (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers].

  • celador2

    grump, the holy Bible still says,
    “Thous shall not suffer a witch to live”

    But we do not burn them anymore or heretics for that matter. We do not have military or violent religious wars between Catholics and Protestants that sweep across the world. We do not force conversions. Missionary work and Christ’s good works in health, housing and education are how Christian communities spread the word by example.

    We may be up against a new force os Islamist jihad that does what it says Koran means Muslims to do in the passage you quoted. Egyptian pres Morsi has one foot in the Brotherhood sharia and one foot pulling him to encourage small businesses thriving as they did under Mubarack. Morsi looks even to US and IMF for foreign aid.

    Where is the heart of Egyptian leadership? Which pull will it follow?

    Obamaland Libya is weak and a land full of clans and militias where the law of the jungle prevails more than a common rule of law.

  • Viet71

    The debate here is not over Islam or Muslims, IMO.

    It’s whether the U.S. is going to pay any attention to other countries’ attitudes toward free expression. It’s not just Turkey and other Muslim nations that stifle speech. Germany, France, England, other European democracies, and Canada all have laws proscribing certain types of speech.

    My attitude is screw ‘em all when it comes to the First Amendment.

  • streiff

    Exodus 22:18

  • grumpyKoz

    They must have been very busy, because I have not see a witch in my entire life.

    But I do see millions of non-Muslims, which present a serious problem to those that follow the Quran.