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Ryan’s Impossible Debate Challenge


In a rational world, Paul Ryan should have a fairly easy time in the upcoming debate against Vice President Joe Biden. Ryan is a man who has mastered the intricacies of legislation and the federal budget while Biden has shown scant interest in anything in his senatorial career other than the AMTRAK schedule from Washington, DC to Delaware.

Unfortunately, we don’t live in a rational world. We live in one where Barack Obama is president AND Joe Biden is vice president. To win a debate against Joe Biden one must be prepared to engage with a man who has hardly more than a nodding acquaintance with the truth.

Most of us are familiar with Biden’s ill-starred run for the Demcocrat nomination in 1988 as part of the Seven Dwarfs. He was forced out when it was revealed that he’d not only plagiarized a speech by British Labor Party leader Neal Kinnock, he’s actually gone so far as to steal Kinnock’s biography, claiming to be the son of an impoverished coal miner. (Though to his credit, when Gary Hart was dropped out due to his marital infidelities Biden remarked, “We’ve lost Horny.”) To this day, Biden claims he was “raised in Scranton (PA)” though he left when he was 10 years old.

This should be a danger sign.

The fact is that when Biden gets put in a tough position he will simply make stuff up. For instance, Jonah Goldberg relates this tale:

The most notorious comes from Biden’s 1988 bid for the Democratic presidential nomination. He had been hounded about his law-school record and plagiarism problems (among other things, he copied five pages from a law journal for a 15-page paper and then claimed it was a footnoting error), and he was asked a question about his academic record by a resident of New Hampshire.

He responded: “I think I have a much higher IQ than you do, I suspect.” He went on:

I went to law school on a full academic scholarship, the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship. In the first year in the law, I decided I didn’t want to be in law school and ended up in the bottom two-thirds of my class and then decided I wanted to stay, went back to law school, and, in fact, ended up in the top half of my class. I won the international moot-court competition. I was the outstanding student in the political-science department at the end of my year. I graduated with three degrees from undergraduate school and 165 credits — only needed 123 credits. And I would be delighted to sit down and compare my IQ to yours.

Most of these statements were outright lies.

Fast forward to 2008 and his debate with Sarah Palin:

When we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, “Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don’t know — if you don’t, Hezbollah will control it.”

Now what’s happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel.

Perhaps this happened in an alternate universe, but Hezbollah has never been kicked out of Lebanon.

And therein lies the danger for Paul Ryan. When you are debating someone you expect a modicum of honesty. Biden is as close to a psychopathic liar as we’ve had as either president or vice president. Where Bill Clinton would lie just to keep in practice, Joe Biden is a personality who lies without reason and seems to have the ability to actually believe his own lies.

Ryan will be in a format where he cannot fact check Biden and as a result he will probably have to let Biden get away with telling some otherworldly lies simply because he will not be able to disprove them on the spot.

COMMENTS

  • Tbone

    No way should Ryan debate Biden. Ryan needs to debate Obama’s record and require Biden to defend it. I really don’t care what the moderator asks, Ryan should make a factual statement about Obama’s record and watch Biden melt down trying to answer the question.

  • RealQuiet

    streiff, that is actually a very, very good insight. Joe Biden is likely to throw out so much false poo at Ryan, Ryan will need to come to the debate in a HAZMAT suit. Biden is an expert at that. I agree with Locked and TBone. Hit Obama’s record, be clear about Romney’s vision about the country, be prepared, charming, and disciplined just like Romney was. Using Reagan’s “There you go again” line occasionally will be good.

  • Whitewater LLC

    Disagree. Watch how “they’re gonna put y’all back in CHAINS” work in the debate. Biden is only an intervention away from being locked into an old persons home. Ryan’s message is articulate, Biden rhetoric is “particulate”.

  • jamesm

    There are reasons Biden could not get much traction in the Democratic primaries. He is real 1%er…of the vote. Ryan must assume that there will be plenty of garbage coming out of Biden’s mouth. The best tactic is for Ryan to go on offense. Challenge Obama/Biden policy in the flaming Middle East. Drag him into the weeds on economic issues. Always offense. Make fun of his history of gaffes early in the debate. Hit him on all the bad advice he has give over the years. The media can try to clean up the mess later. Biden is a known commodity and not and endeared one.

  • BrokenGlasses01

    I cannot wrap my head around the fact that the Dems proudly support a pathological liar. Does a person have to be devoid of any sense of right and wrong to be a dem? All I ever hear are how they lie. Cutter and Wasserman Shultz were shocking! Sandra Fluke is as pathological as Biden. And Pelosi and Reid are practically cannibals. It’s horrifying.
    But to Cong Ryan, i have confidence in you. Truth is a powerful weapon. It has miraculous powers. We are with you. Don’t listen to all the hooey. You know how to be great.

  • BrokenGlasses01

    Yes” good ideas. Set the trap Cong. Ryan
    Then go in for the kill.
    Haha. Can’t believe I’m saying this….
    But finish him off
    No mercy.

  • mrego

    Not to mention the mythical 100,000 cops that he & Clinton put on the streets…another BIG BIG lie he keeps repeating for years and years.

  • Debbie R.

    Totally disagree. you are acting like Eeyore again. Do democrats talk about their candidates like this? Marketing 101-talk up your candidate. sheesh

  • jamesm

    Conservative theater. Pull up a couch and grab some popcorn. Thursday night at the fight! Let’s see if the loose lipped buzzard gets wobbly at the knees!!

  • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

    Love the thought of Ryan showing up in a HAZMAT suit!

    I think Ryan ought to be prepared to at least throw out a couple of, “Joe, what the heck are you talking about???” lines. I think that would be an effective equivalent of Reagan’s, “There you go again” and more to the point.

  • Bill S

    Is your reading comprehension so poor that you can’t tell the difference between criticism and observation? There was no “talking down” of Ryan here. If nothing else, it was an accurate and necessary criticism of Crazy Joe.

    Now if you can’t do any better than that, better run along to a website where you can actually understand the issues.

  • dlh8

    I agree with Diana…I believe that Ryan will be able to dismantle Biden no matter what the topic!

  • Debbie R.

    I understand the difference, Bill, but on this site Erik is always making the most negative observations and it’s tiring. First response ever on this site. Won’t do that again. I was merely voicing my opinion. we all know Biden lies. do we really think anyone believes him or listens to him?

  • kipling

    Welcome to the modern Democratic Party. Our Republic cannot survive as long as a half the citizenry supports the lying garbage that is Joe Biden.

  • Malkiel_kol_hakavod_la_el

    Joe Biden will have a brain fart that will cause his head to shut down…. Just watch…

  • emptybucket

    Hey there Streiff your first phrase says it all “In a rational world” – I agree that Ryan may have a rough time putting Biden on the defensive in that for some weird reason we are not in a rational world and he gets his audience to just accept whatever words he spouts. Me and Mr. Emptybucket were just discussing this problem. How does Ryan keep Biden in his place with the “good ole, uncle Joe” yukking it up next to him. The word Antics comes to mind in trying to picture this debate. Ryan will be likeable, interesting and honest next to blowhard Joe fooling and joking around because he has to keep attention off anything Obama. He is the definition of elitist jerk. Enjoyed the read, thanks.

  • tngal

    Darn…I had totally forgotten Horney Dwarf. I remembered Itchy, Scratchy, Hairy,Scabby, and a couple of others but …man, I really forget HD. Thanks Streiff, for jogging this old woman’s memory. As your picture clearly shows, Ryan will be debating a cartoon. Perhaps TobyToons needs to get more involved with the next debate wrap-up. Seems like its right up his alley.

  • emptybucket

    Tbone I so agree with you but just having a hard time trying to picture that happening especially if the moderate is more concerned with their own political viewpoint. I thought the presidential debate was a bit unbalanced in that regard. Good old Jim bailed Obama out a couple of times, or at least tried to bail him out. I do think however that Lehrer did a decent job.

  • spinoneone

    Regardless of who the moderator is, this is gonna be interesting. Much more entertaining than 0 and R.

  • corps_suk

    All he has to do is practice against Romney to get used to debating an outright liar!

  • Jack_Savage

    It will be very tough to win a debate against a guy who will have achieved a glorious victory if he manages not to fall off the stage or set something on fire.

  • jaykali

    Good point.

  • 1stRichard

    It is actually easy to debate someone like Joe Biden, the hard part is not getting drawn in to a tangent. Joe is like any other ardent moonbat, a true believer in his own world and Ryan needs to keep out of that sandbox and play his own game with the facts. All moonbats expect a reaction, they expect to have control and if you don’t react, ignore them politely it infuriates them leading to a meltdown. If Ryan can keep pushing Joe like this for long enough he can turn Joe in to a ranting deranged lunatic and there is nothing Joe can do to stop this, the pressure will eventually be too much.

  • Nutstuyu

    “Just think, we’ve got a box of rocks a heartbeat away from an empty chair”

    Sounds like a classic Ramirez cartoon.

  • JoshINHB

    You forgot the biggest liar of them all:

    BHO

  • http://civicsreaffirmed.wordpress.com mlphmg

    I suspect Ryan will take a similar approach as Romney did during the first debate. Ryan should step in or immediately discredit Biden’s lies – overruling the moderator if need be. This put Obama on his butt because he has rarely been challenged in real-time. Certainly Biden has no greater command of the facts than Obama – they both are allowed to lie and pass off as fact. A good set of rhetorical questions from Ryan should get stream rolling out of Biden’s ears in little time at all. Then Ryan will have an uninterrupted period of time to speak to the American people as the next Vice President.

  • tlhoward

    In clinical terms, the personality disorder Joe Biden possesses is called mythomania, another word for compulsive lying disorder. It’s very hard to get mythomaniacs in for treatment. In most aspects of their lives, CLs (compulsive liars) do fine except for their increasingly outlandish lies, lies which differ from the lies we ordinary “liars” tell in that the tales become increasingly fantastical and easily falsified. The disorder falls into the compulsive behaviors disorders.

  • redneckkk

    He should bring a chair…

  • tlhoward

    “What’s your source for that outlandish claim, Joe?” should respond Ryan…then he should proceed as if Joe said nothing but bull crap. I agree that when Joe senses he is losing to Ryan, he will revert to his usual grandiosity with figures and claims he pulls out of thin air so I am hoping Ryan and his cohorts have already planned how to deal with that.

  • radioone

    You can bet the rest of the moderators have been given their “marching orders” from “Axelgrease and team”…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Valley-Forge/100003289536959 Valley Forge

    Biden’s advantage is he’s actually skilled at populist working-class rhetoric in a way Obama is not. Not a master like Clinton but he comes across as a regular guy. Ryan has to connect with the same people but through his own style. He’s had plenty of practice in his town halls. Fact-checking Biden is a waste of time – everyone knows he’s a putz. Call him out once on something egregious in a calm, matter-of-fact way and you can safely ignore his rantings thereafter.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Valley-Forge/100003289536959 Valley Forge

    Go to TPM and they believe Ryan is the pathological lier. Partisanship does make one blind.

  • fightnright

    It’s pretty scary when you read about a powerful politician that disconnected from reality and so close to the highest seat of global power. Even more disturbing to realize is that Joe, so delusional and so unbalanced, is far from the most dangerous of the leaders within his party.

  • lakeshore

    Someone remind me again just why Obama picked Biden for VP? I sort of recall the media spin on this in 2008 (“experience” and “blue collar white appeal” may have been claimed). But the Obama team HAD to know what Biden was really like. I wonder who actually picked him? Axelrod? Emmanuel? For whatever reason, it’s just one more proof of BHO’s disastrous choices.

  • winslow

    How do you debate a lunatic? Biden is a liar like his boss and and Ryan will have to really be on his guard. I am thinking he can do it. Unfortunately, the “moderators” in this debate and in the last two presidential debates are more likely to come to the aid of the president and his crazy vice president!
    Over coming these factors will be Ryan’s challenge.

  • fightnright

    Actually, Ryan doesn’t have to be too aggressive to stay on offense. All he has to do is lead Joe carefully through the basics of elementary economics and foreign policy, like a kindly kindergarten teacher trying to help a learning-disabled 5 year old learn his ABC’s, speaking slowly and nodding encouragement, and he’ll finish him off just as easily.

  • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

    I agree 100%. In fact, I’ve been saying it frequently since it became clear who would be debating O’Biden. We can’t be overconfident about beating them in debates because a well-told lie in a debate sounds better than a detailed but complicated truth. Both Ryan and Romney need to be prepared to simply say, “That is a complete fabrication. It doesn’t even make sense,” and similar things if they don’t know exactly how to rebut a claim that Martians have landed at Romney’s campaign HQ and are telepathically channelling them with answers.

    They can’t get too hung up in rebutting misstatements, but they do need to point out discrepancies. If Biden mentions budgets, Ryan needs to hammer him with the fact that Republicans have actually passed some, Democrats haven’t, and Obama’s own budget didn’t even get DEMOCRAT support–zero votes from both sides of the aisle.

    They could also come out with some golden oldies0–”Four years ago, you claimed that ObamaCare would cover 40 million more people but would cost more. That was impossible, you knew it (I hope), but you weren’t challenged. You also said it would cost less than $1 trillion, yet the CBO now says it will cost over $1.5 trillion and counting, and that’s AFTER taking $716 billion from Medicare. And it is all borrowed from China.”

  • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

    “he does need to slow down his speech.”

    Great catch. Ryan suffers from growing up in Wisconsin, land of quick-speaking, monotonous mumblers. (^:^) Slow it down and get the ideas across. Romney won, even though he was cut out of four minutes compared to Obama. It’s “what” you say that is important, not how many words you get in.

  • kipling

    Debbie R. – I think you misread the article. Streiff was just pointing out the difficulty anyone would have in debating a pathological liar. In a sane world, Joe Biden would be quietly locked away, not sitting a heartbeat away from the presidency. There was no disrespect for Ryan. I hope you will comment again.

  • ctredstater

    Agree as well. What the first debate showed was that one of the two candidates for president is intellectually and emotionally engaged with the issues that confront our country. the VP debate will reveal the same thing. Ryan took down Obama with – the steel trap mind, the cogent arguments and the midwestern choir boy smile – devastating.
    I am always on guard against overconfidence – and the debate will be “scored” by a media even more desparate than ever to support their guys. But I suspect there will be a high tune in factor. And there is no one I would rather have “coming to bat” in this situation than Paul Ryan.

  • ctredstater

    Mitt’s piece on this was perhaps the single most effective moment of the first debate. I really hope Ryan follows up – it is something for which the Dems have no answer.

  • ctredstater

    John Edwards wasn’t available.

  • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

    “Joe, what the heck are you talking about???”

    I don’t think we should do that again. It’s the equivalent of “I’ve been in business for 25 years and never heard of that.” And if Biden gets incoherent, it might encourage him to think, which may or may not help us.

    Besides, it would probably be appropriate after every Biden speech.

  • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

    You are right. But I don’t think it would help us win.

  • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

    Ryan is pretty good at explaining economics to us morons. I think he should just do that (and explain other issues, too) while quietly rebutting anything that Biden says.

    Ryan can also point out the error of the bogus Tax Policy report claiming they would raise taxes on the middle class. Even that think-tank has revised it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1030222949 John Manuola

    And what’s really crazy is this lame stream media made such a big about Sarah possibly being just a heartbeat away from the presidency. Not one person, as I recall, ever mentioned what a danger it would be for Biden to be a heartbeat away.

  • commonsenseobserver

    He was supposed to bring “gravitas” rivalling Cheney’s.

  • kcdude

    Agree with strieff. I do wonder whether crazy ole joe shows up once again with his botox and uber ‘tan from a can’ look. His appearance in ’08 reminded me of one of those alien characters from the original Star Trek series – apologies to those characters and any fans.

  • jojoj

    old biden comes up with some crazy stuff

  • jojoj

    good one!

  • NRPax

    Yes. A lot of people in the media believe and listen to Biden. They believe to the point that they will happily cover up or gloss over his comments and not hold him accountable.

    This author was nowhere in the Hundred Acre Woods, let alone being an Eeyore.

  • BrokenGlasses01

    Blue collar white UNION appeal. Socialist to the core.
    Plus sometimes I get the feeling the Biden actually thinks he’s Black. Now that’s creepy.
    He’s the Cybil of Veeps.
    BO does not negotiate with anyone. It’s his way. This why he did so poorly in debate. He is a mocker. Not a debater. This was clear when he campaigned the next morning. The worlds best at mocking. But cannot hold adult, professional level interaction. His arrogant psyche can’t handle anything more than Joy Behar swooning at his feet. Same personality as Chavez and Putin. Huuum. See a pattern here?

  • streiff

    Did you bother to read the post? Rhetorical question. Obviously you didn’t.

  • renl57

    Except Putin is a better administrator and better leader than Obama is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/hcweldon H Weldon Jr

    Frame the debate in “Obama and his administration have done….” NEVER use “You said….” Leave Biden hanging out there with the facts of action not the wind of opninion – he will melt down and show his bold faced lying self, for the world to see!

  • PowerToThePeople

    You do know Streiff wrote this, not Erick. Pretty bad you go out of your way to insult the host when the host had nothing to do with the party.

  • commonsenseobserver

    Well, since Mitt Romney and Barack Obama supposedly switched bodies… I guess you’re right.

  • doncorleone

    Unfortunately, the moderator is going to play an big role. “Big bird” jr., lehrer tried to throw off Romney by interupting him whilst he was speaking, repeatedly. He threw him more lines than “charley the tuna” got in his career. If, “cookies” and candy crowley lets this thing get out of hand, it’ll turn into a street brawl. Ryan has to be ready for that, because, the amount of bovine fecal matter that will be flying will be astounding. He’s going to have to be concise and deal w/it point by point, if she’ll let him. It’s going to be partisanship a go-go, especially w/her. In ’04, she wept openly when “W” defeated kerry on election night during her segment.

  • doncorleone

    Forgot to put in obama who received the lines, sorry

  • commonsenseobserver

    Ugh.
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/07/How-to-Beat-Paul-Ryan-in-a-Debate

  • commonsenseobserver

    Prediction: Biden will mention:
    1) GM
    2) Osama
    3) Iraq
    4) Bain
    5) Massachusetts
    6) Medicare & Social Security
    7) Unemployment dropping
    8) Dodd-Frank
    9) Obamacare (I wish Mitt had talked more about tort reform)
    10) Experience
    11) Mitt Romney is a raging maniac

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1291155883 Rafael Encarnacion

    Ryan should leave Biden alone as he makes his outrageous remarks. He shouldn’t need to be worried about fact checking. Others will candidly do it on his behalf after the debate. He needs to focus on one thing: Obama’s record and let the audience decide for themselves.

  • Wigglesworth111

    It’s like a boxing match against a brawler who clutches, grabs and takes wild swings. He can take you out of your game. Ryan needs to relax, stick to his game plan and pick Biden apart with his punches.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    Or in other words he is like a six year old boy.

  • bifatjac

    Ryan has 20 IQ pts, easily, on Biden. He hasn’t disappointed me yet.

  • Baloneycheck

    Ryan should research (I’m sure he already has) all of Biden’s history of lies and have an available counterpoint for each one, thus forcing Biden to fabricate a a whole new set of falsehoods on the spot.
    Play it like a chess game, Ryan. Use all 64 squares.
    Romney/Ryan-2012.

  • Baloneycheck

    Biden thought they said “grava lox” and he brought a lot.

  • macbookben

    Chris Farley’s SNL character, the guy “who lived in a van down by the river,” was so ridiculous, even the other cast members of those skits, including David Spade, could not help themselves from losing character and cracking up with laughter along with the audience. I see a similar situation with Biden and Ryan. If Biden says “Barack and I’ve got three letters for Americans to invest their hope in: J-O-B-S,” then Ryan will have to work harder than a pastor holding a fart in church to keep from laughing out loud.

  • fightnright

    good points added. If Joe goes with his easy-going, good Sam persona – which I believe he will be depending on as part of his debate stategy – tearing into him with a vengeance might seem too much like skinning a live puppy-dog onstage with a dull knife.

    We want JB to be exposed as the dolt that he is, a nitwit following the big shamster Obama*, not make him into some martyr for bleeding hearts and the MSM to run with. Weaker minded casual voters are very easily influenced by emotion over clarity.

    *’Un sot trouve toujours un plus sot qui l’admire’; A fool can always find an even bigger fool to admire him – Nicolas Boileau.

  • OhioHistorian

    Or to not ask Chuck to stand up.
    Or to remember in which state he is debating.

  • OhioHistorian

    Inserts 4a) Osama is dead
    Insert 5a) GM is alive
    Insert 7a) Osama is dead
    Insert 8a) GM is alive
    Insert 10a) Osama is dead and GM is alive
    11a) Romney is a felon and a murderer
    11b) Osama is dead, GM is alive, and Obama is a wonderful President for both.

  • OhioHistorian

    These four states have done more oil development on public lands than anywhere else in the US is what Joe would answer.

  • OhioHistorian

    Remind him of his opposition in the Senate to Reagan’s foreign policy, and how he wanted the nuclear treaties left the way they were.

  • janesoutham

    I just read that Biden will be preparing for the debate for SIX days. He didn’t do too badly against Palin. I am concerned that we are underestimating Biden.

  • fightnright

    Palin didn’t have the decade plus of strong political and policy education that Ryan has had since his early days on Capitol Hill. And you can never underestimate Joe Biden, for a fact.

  • gunnyg2002

    Nitwit. Go back to sleep.

  • Lov’n R&R

    Or even better, “There you go again, Joey.”

  • Bill

    Well said – very well said.

  • wgraves

    Is it time to dig out the videos of Biden lynching Clarence Thomas?

  • Mogumbo Gono

    When Biden makes a questionable comment, Ryan should jump on it, saying, “You just made that up, didn’t you? Just like ________.” (Fill in with any number of Biden fabrications).

    By tying Biden’s comments to his known fabrications, the audience will be reminded that Biden constantly makes things up.

  • tlhoward

    Yes. Exactly.

  • Laura C.

    …and of course those who voted for Biden to be VP also voted for John Edwards to be VP! (And don’t forget Biden lying about his first wife’s death — he claims she was killed by a drunk driver. Apparently the accident was her fault and the driver of the truck that hit her (she was pulling out of a parking lot onto the highway) was never charged, let alone with being drunk (his family said his hurt at having been involved in a fatal crash was worsened by Biden’s unfair/UNTRUE accusation).

  • gunsmithkat

    All Ryan has to do is recycle a few of the Ronaldus’s great lines like, “There you go again, Joe” or “The trouble with our liberal friends is that much what they “Know” just isn’t so”.

  • caseym54

    France can’t kick Hezbollah out of Paris, let alone Lebanon.

  • caseym54

    In the same debate with Palin, when she said that Art I of the Constitution was about the Legislature (it is), Judiciary Committee Chairman Biden laughed and corrected her, saying it was about the Executive (it isn’t). Palin wasn’t quick enough (or certain enough) to nail him on it. Ryan would be.

  • Bennie Sprouse

    I hope Ryan shows the same respect for the office that Romney did, but if Joe starts in with a groundless attack then Ryan should come back with ” Mr. Vice President, I would never disrespect the office with that kind of statement, but since you have – let me respond” and then hand him his ass just like Mitt did to the “President”.

  • 5ftflirt

    or Edwards, for that matter. Who also had a lot less experience than Palin.

  • orbicularioculi

    Ryan then should be armed with a litany of Joe’s whoppers and contest his claims as bull**it piled on bull**it. Fight BS with a fire hose.

  • Capt Joe

    Flattery. Flattery. FLATTERY. Uncle Joe has shown a career-long
    insecurity when questioned, especially concerning his intelligence and
    has a nasty streak a mile wide (see Clarence Thomas hearings), so
    humiliating him would be counter-productive. If Ryan were to open the
    debate with testimony to Joe’s great political experience and commitment
    to the “Grand Bargain” ala the Woodward book and (subtly) how he is
    obviously more willing and qualified than Obama to wheel and deal and
    promote “bipartisan” progress, he would have Joe eating out of his hand.
    You put Joe in that situation there’s no telling where it might lead. I
    could see “Old Uncle Joe” slapping Ryan on the back and declaring that
    “I wish I were back in the senate so I could work with this boy!”

  • http://www.coffeeshopfun.com chuck41

    What is really bad is that the lame stream media did not even bother to fact check Biden’s comments about Mid-East history. At the time I was dumbfounded. Few if any of his comments were accurate, or even close. The media just cited how knowledgeable Biden was about history. Yeah. The “history” he makes up on the spot. This guy is a national embarrassment.

  • wagnertinatlanta

    Don’t mourn for those four minutes. I think Obama may have done himself more damage by driveling through those four minutes than Romney could have damaged him in the same time.

  • smmy33

    Can Romney and Ryan stop being on defense, and get on offense, I know that the media treats Romney likes he’s the incumbent and Obama the challenger…

    But that doesn’t mean they have to follow the media’s script , Romney tax plan , Ryan’s tax plan..

    What about the fu-ker in the White House, Obama added a trillion dollars of debt every year he has been in office, his own budget , that no republicans or DEMOCRATS voted for estimates he will add other 5 trillion of debt and the debt will over 20 trillion in by 2016……
    SO besides going after billionaires/ millionaire … with a increase of 5% that best case will bring in 10 billion a year in revenue.. what else will Obama do to get the other 980 billion a year needed to bring spending in line with tax revenue.

  • smmy33

    Can Romney start talking especially in the next debate, how he left a successful career as a CEO of a company he started to take over the failing Olympic ‘s for his country , to make then suceeful and PROFITABLE, first time Olympic’s actually made money, and worked 3 1/2 years for FREE without taking a salary and then after didn’t go back into busniess especially when all his partners that didn’t leave Bain where becoming Billionaires, instead became Governor of Mass, and again didn’t take a salary and worked 4 years to balance the budget, pass a healthcare plan that most of the citizens and political parties were happy with, brought the school system to number one in the country and left with the state at 4.7 % unemployment … All the while worked four years for FREE

    That’s over 7 years that Romney worked in public service without getting one dime in salary… Especially when those fu-Kers on the left keep harping about Romney taxes or he’s some heartless business man…..

    Shit if Romney doesn’t inform the public the press won’t … Who works for free for almost a decade, especially when they could have been making billions instead or gives away their inheritance , and his father wasn’t the Kennedy’s he was dirt poor and made money starting from nothing working his way up.

    The next debate is Town Hall… He has to work this information in the discussions… Up end the 150 million in ads Axelrod as spend to make Ronmney into evil , money hunger capitalist .

  • 5ftflirt

    Some things Biden says – like the Hezbollah thing – are so outlandish it’s easy to point out that never happened. Then follow up with a reminder of other Biden bloopers (“as we know, Mr VP, four years ago you said that we drove Hezbollah out of Lebanon, and that’s a complete fabrication, and your latest claim is as well.”)

  • 5ftflirt

    “No way should Ryan debate Biden. Ryan needs to debate Obama’s record and require Biden to defend it. I really don’t care what the moderator asks, Ryan should make a factual statement about Obama’s record and watch Biden melt down trying to answer the question.”

    This.

  • skhpcola

    That’s the primary problem, 5ftflirt. The progtards that will absolutely vote for or are favoring voting for Ozero are low-information citizens. They will not investigate Biden’s claims further, and banish the thought of them even being suspicious of obviously false statements. These are the people that get their news and views from Colbert and Stewart. Truncated, liberal voters will believe–with faith and rabidity–that anything that the Dimocrap says is truth. That is the problem. They can pull rabbit asses out of their hats and catch Ryan off guard, but their is no possible and effective rebuttal. Ozero, Biden, and their puppet masters know this, which is why they feel empowered to lie in such a brazen fashion.

  • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

    I agree. BO showed himself to be a pushy, arrogant, rude and selfish liar. All the things the Obamanationals are saying about Romney.

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