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Romney vs Obama, Round II

Realistically, very few presidential debates have the kind of clear-cut winner that the first Romney-Obama debate did. It’s more productive to look at what each candidate came looking to accomplish.

Romney: Romney came in tonight with three main goals.

One, he wanted to repeat his strong showing from the first debate. He did that – he was vigorous, authoritative, and came across as the same technocratic moderate that he really is.

Two, he wanted to avoid any major gaffes that would foul up the momentum he has going. He did that, too. He never seemed stymied, never really put his foot in his mouth in a harmful way. Even when he bought into the false left-wing premise of a question on gender pay equity, he came away talking about his own experience hiring women in his cabinet (he might have mentioned his female running mate in Massachusetts as well).

Three, he wanted to go in for the kill. On that, Romney failed. He let Obama get away with some flagrant lies, like claiming that Planned Parenthood performs mammograms. He completely botched an obvious attack on Obama’s disastrous and dishonest response on Libya, to the point where even moderator Candy Crowley – who was mostly running interference for Obama on this and on Fast & Furious – had to step in and remind Romney that Obama’s Administration had been dishonest on Libya. Romney forced a confrontation on the facts on oil drilling – one the fact-checkers have to give him – but like John McCain in 2008, he seemed hesitant to really take the fight to Obama on more divisive issues.

It’s true that Obama is now set up to be completely dismantled on Libya in the third debate, if Romney comes loaded for bear. But I suspect that by the time that debate arrives, nobody will be left undecided.

Obama: Obama also came in with goals, four of them.

First, Obama needed to show that he actually still wants the job. He did that – he was much more vigorous tonight, showing some fight and some indignation and squaring off in some true alpha-dog battles with Romney.

Second, Obama needed to give his partisans something to cheer for. He was late sometimes in doing so (especially waiting for his closing to attack Romney on the 47% tape) but did deliver.

Third, Obama needed to lay out something more like a positive second-term agenda. On this, he failed miserably. He has nothing to offer but a stew of “more of the same.” Closing with the 47% attack really underlines the extent to which this is a campaign bereft of positive promise.

Fourth, and perhaps most important, Obama needed to strip the bark off Romney, convince the voters that he was in no way an acceptable alternative. And outside the choir, Obama really didn’t seem to do that. He didn’t dismantle Romney’s agenda, he just disagreed with it. He basically denied the existence of the problems Romney cited on energy policy. Despite pre-debate preening on Romney’s record in Massachusetts, Obama never attacked that record. And despite his heavy reliance to date on attacking Romney as a tax-hiker, Obama spent far more of the debate bashing tax cuts, leaving little doubt which candidate was the low-tax candidate.

Romney’s strongest moments were two. One, he just buried Obama in response to an African-American man who declared himself a disheartened Obama ’08 voter; Romney responded with a blistering indictment of Obama’s economic record. And two, he offered a great answer on American competitiveness. He also came away with a good answer on immigration, albeit one that won’t please many of his own primary supporters.

One more point: I think Romney did a much better job of remembering, as the debate wore on, that an audience of Long Islanders was not the real audience. Obama’s attack on the NRA in particular is unlikely to play well in key swing states.

COMMENTS

  • vamoose

    I think people in the battleground states are making up their minds early so they can tune out the the remainder of the campaign. If you’re not in a one of those states we have been besieged by radio &TV ads, mailings, and phone calls for a couple months thanks to the huge war chests of both campaigns. For this reason the first debate was by far the most important. I don’t see Obama winning back any of the voters he lost last week. Trying to be objective, Obama hasn’t explained how the next 4 years will be any different that the past 4 years. Instead, he’s trying to sell the last 4 years as being not that bad. And the argument “the other guy’s no good” doesn’t work when in an unfiltered forum Romney has been good.

  • http://patriotpowerplay.blogspot.com/ mirac777

    Romney “came across as the same technocratic moderate that he really is.” Truer words have never been spoken. I support Romney 100%. I also believe his moderacy will prevent this once great nation from healing herself completely from the cancerous Marxist policies that have been injected by fake democrats and Barack Hussein Obama since 2007. Our only chance is to wipe out the fake democrats and RINOS in our Congress today, and then holding their feet to the fire to lop off about 40% of the big government graft career mopes use to buy votes and influence policy.

  • http://patriotpowerplay.blogspot.com/ mirac777

    Correct, and let’s not forget that Obama put Clinton puppet and UN globalist Susan Rice on no less than 5 Sunday talk shows to initially spread the lie that it was all because of a stupid movie trailor that had hardly been viewed by anyone! This is how the Obama cartel is like a snake in the grass, having ignorant puppets do their dirty work while refusing to take any responsibility for Americans being murdered. Now HillBillary throws herself under the Obama bus by saying she takes “full responsibility” for Americans being killed. Is that so? I don’t see her resignation signed,sealed and delivered to the White House.

  • http://patriotpowerplay.blogspot.com/ mirac777

    Bottom line is record trillion dollars deficits for a stagnant economy and rampant inflation along with the Obama-promised “skyrocketing energy/gas prices” that are crushing the middle class. The gifted teleprompter reader can’t run from those facts, as they are right in voter’s faces every time they open their wallets or look at their empty savings accounts.

  • drawer22

    @f41d6750de29f49e1dceba0a46292c2b:disqus
    By taking “full responsibility” for that part of which she might have been able to influence the terrorist attacks in Libya which resulted in the murders of four Americans, she sets herself up as a potential candidate for POTUS. After all, she took responsibility before Zer0bama decided that he’d better catch up by assuming SOME responsibility as the presumed Commander-in-Chief.

    Can’t say I like the possibility of HillBillary assuming a position at the desk in our Oval Office, but it sure was a good political move!

    De Oppresso Liber

  • tngal

    I don’t see why Obama is against the NRA. It has in the past, and is currently, out there openly supporting democrats who voted a few times on pro second amendment issues, while ignoring more conservative new candidates. The organization argued it only backed incumbants with a voting record. So if a dem in office has voted a few times for 2nd ammendment issues he’ll get an endorsement, whereas a newbie who promises to vote stronger in that area gets ignored.

  • pineygirl

    I saw the debate through the eyes of someone who is not a political junkie, and Obama seemed strong, convincing and more than ready for four more years.
    It doesn’t matter that he was spewing lie after lie — his speaking ability is what got him elected the first time, and I think it won him the debate last night. Who except for people like us care about fact-checking afterwards? By then everyone’s back to work, school, etc. They remember what they hear. I KNOW that Obama is against oil drilling on public lands, but what I heard was that he supports the most aggressive drilling ever in the history of oil.
    Romney had better get it together. He has one more chance to pull it off. He needs to lay off the list of statistics and start being more persuasive.

  • spinoneone

    Just listened to Peter Fenn act the clown and say Obama won. Hardly. The 0 tried to get into the soaring rhetoric business, and missed. Romney held his temper in the face of both 0′s total lack of candor and Crowley holding her thumb firmly on the scale against Romney. Oh well.

  • edintexas

    I would guess you don’t expect the Pro-Life Action League to come out supporting candidates based on their responses to a questionnaire that they would be more pro-life than the incumbent who actually has voted pro-life. But maybe you actually still believe politicians keep their promises and an answer to a question (which isn’t really even a “promise”) trumps an actual vote.

    The NRA is NOT a “Conservative” organization. It isn’t a “conservative” organization either. It is a single issue organization which will entertain involvement in other issues only insofar as they touch on their single issue.

  • dudette

    I have a feeling Romney wil govern more conservatively than any of us expect. He is truly alarmed at the apologies for America and our loss of standing in the world not to mention our loss in financial rating—i think he campaigns more to the middle because that is what he has to do or what his campaign managers tell him to do, but if you look at his life he lives like a true conservative. iknow, everyone will pile on, but i have an instinct on this we shall see.

  • edintexas

    The Nevada (swing state) Focus Group of undecided voters Frank Luntz had apparently disagree with your view of this debate. Most of them believed Romney won the debate last night. And most of the group claimed they voted for Dear Leader in 2008 and only 2 claimed they intend to vote for him again this year. Another focus group came to the same conclusion, though I can’t remember if it was the CNN group or some other.

  • ctredstater

    the key to the idiotic questions was that although the attendees submitted them, Crowley got to pick which ones got on the air. a lot of time was spent on issues which have little or no long-term relevance – contraception, pay equity, assault weapons. only one question on Libya. Crowley did everything she could to help Obama – in the guise of “journalism”. Romney could have done better, but he solidified his first debate impression. if he can do even slightly better next Monday, the flow should continue in his direction.

  • Kyle-MI

    The upcoming Romney ads need to emphasize Obama’s failure on your third Obama goal. Obama has nothing new to offer. On the other hand, Romney has new ideas to get us out of this economic gridlock.

  • Kyle-MI

    They should allow each side to pick half the questions.

  • http://www.justintribble.com Justin Tribble

    I’ve found Romney to be very engaging in these debates. I’m compelled to listen to him, I find his words provide movement, fluidity.

    He’s tough, aggressive, without it seeming forced, without it seeming like he’s trying too hard. It’s very artfully played. We underestimate how difficult these debates are, to get every point in, to nail every moment, to cover every subject. Romney’s done great, and he did good on Libya, but just made one little slip up that — in the end — it turns out his overall point was entirely correct.

    Obama, while more awake, struck me as dispirited, there was something in his eyes that made him look lost. Almost sad. It’s something I noticed, objectively, I don’t think I’m wrong. Some, little thing, where Obama looked tired to me (though others are strongly reporting he was vibrant and aggressive, I did not quite see that).

  • http://www.justintribble.com Justin Tribble

    I really, really felt like there was something in Obama’s eyes that were off — despite the projection of being tougher, more aggressive, there was something in his heart that made him look dispirited to me. And a bit tired. I just felt it. He almost looked sad and a little beaten down at a few points.

    Romney was tough, engaging, on-point, really didn’t miss a beat. I don’t get bored listening to Romney, but I get bored listening to Obama from time to time.

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