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Debate ChatRoom!!

uh, frznpint…could you explain a little of your “chat room” Also I’m not seeing a lot of posts by you here before. This your first one?

well, surely the Lions won’t “overtly” screw up. They’ll play hard and tough, but still won’t be able to best da Bears. I mean its not like players intentionally fumble or drop passes. Oh, wait..you meant the screwing up at the debate. mybad.

“we can all chat during the debate!”

I thought we *were* going to do that. As usual. Right here.

That’s enough spamming

Here we GoH:

Song of the evening is Placebo: The Bitter End
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOBeubfr-xY

it would be tough to move the needle toward Obama at this point and here’s why: there’s not much new that can be learned about him which might inspire a change of heart.

But the electorate has only lately been learning everything about Mitt, and people are really liking what they see. So there is still plenty of movement potential toward Romney, and the past few weeks predict that the direction will continue to be positive.

Libya right out of the gate…nail him, chief.

Knock it off…sheesh…he doesn’t look the least bit nervous. Seriously, go chew your fingernails in another thread.

Yep…and it shows.

Foreign policy debates always favor the incumbent as rightly or wrongly they are serving as Commander in Chief.

and obummer’s not letting anyone forget he CnC. He’s said it like four times already

Have him explain how his policy has helped Israel by kow-towing to the Muslims. I think this is moving too fast; the talking points are all we are getting.

holy crap. the moderator just gave obummer a real question.

major sign of insecurity…

four people getting killed not optimal. so in obama’s world… <4?

Are you sensing too much “yeah-me-too” foreign policy from Romney?

Way to go R! Hit him with the lack of leadership to deal with having our “allies” in the Middle East force a close to the conflict. The question is,”What allies”?

I think that President Obama made a weak statement regarding the economy – this is an economy election and the economic domain is much weaker than foreign policy.

geez romney, don’t kiss him. sure agree with him on some things but there has to be clear differences between the two of you.

YES. hit him on the debt and economy. I can’t believe obama would be dumb enough to bring it back to domestic policy.

Agreed…HUGE mistake by Obama bring the economy back into the debate.

America must be strong! That is the ticket! Bring in the economy and O’s disaster there and remind voters that O stabbed Poland in the back over the missle systems. A very good repartee by Romney!

Romney is not hitting back hard enough against the Obama happy talk. If he keeps it up he’s finished. POTUS keeps talking about imaginary things he’s done and Romney keeps letting him get away with it.

Obama is saying that his economic plan will bring us back to prosperity? Give us all a break.
Romney is hitting him well on the economy questions. Repeating the 5 points again and again! Say it util everyone can recite them! Yes! Hit him with the “Greece” gun.

I don’t think he’s finished.

Any time that the topic is the economy and other domestic issues it is a bad topic for the President – and he’s earned that distinction for it to be a bad topic.

O simply does not understand fed educ & states’ rights.
Look to Chi’town for the criminal state of teaching.

Oh, yeah, math teachers…O likes math. Not budgets though.

Scheiffer reallly, reallllly wants to get back on the topic of tonight. tee hee. But he’s still respectful.

Bi-partisanship…a good example to show that O has shown NO bi-partisanship.

He’s never finished once without being interrupted. O got lessons from sloppy Joe.
Just sayin’

I honestly don’t know what debate you’re watching. Romney is rolling Obama.

Romney looks strong and confident tonight, while Obama looks desperate and is debating in desperation.

right, miles and miles of O’s pie-in-the-sky-by-and-by flapdoodle, excuses, blame, and rationalizations against a backdrop of calmly pointing out falsehoods and setting out policy points in dignified presidential fashion.

Good grief! O brings back the 5 trillion dollar Romney tax cut fantasy again! The big lie theory in full bloom! That was dealt with over and over again in the first debate.

i dunno. Joe was showing signs of run-of-the-mill mental disease. obama’s more like Ernst Blofeld.

As opposed to arguing with him? You know the old saying: Swim with rats i a sewer long enough, you smell like poo. Romney is handling him and refusing to swing at pitches in the dirt. Obama wants him to get in a scrap. Romney is far too smart to fall for that.

The president hasn’t balanced a budget yet! (git em romney, ruff!!!)

I can’t believe Obama is reminding voters that his crappy economy is the #1 issue of the campaign. JUST..FREAKIN…UNBELIEVABLE.

The Presidents tone about the Navy is condescending – and hopefully it will be hit in retort.

Did O just say that the sequestration would not happen?!?! Now he is so condescending to Romney with his horses and bayonets routine. What a jerk.

Glad to see we both used the same word, Paladin.

O won’t say it, will he? “an attack on Israel is an attack on the USA”

I swear if anyone deserves a Noble Prize for peace…its Scheiffer. He’s acting….dare I say, normal. Oh no, he’ll be attacked by the left tomorrow.

Holy cow! Obama just said something I agree with.

Yes, Mr. President, Iran will not get a nuclear weapon while you are President… because you will be gone in less than 3 months…

Now he’s courting more votes in boca raton. coming next: hava nagila — he is pandering to folks whom he lost.

It’s due to the benchmark of foreign policy. It’s the concept that I’ve been at the helm and things aren’t bad.

Its kind of strange. I am no foreign policy expert, but I do follow the campaigns. It kind of seems like they both prepared for a different debate than the one that is happening.

Yes, we need “nation building” in the US.

Sadly, President Obama is attacking many strawmen… straw all over the place.

Obama is lying about the sanctions on Iran. He was foot-dragging for YEARS on this, and the Congress forced his hand after many years of slow/no action.

President Strawman strikes again!
Yes, because missile-armed Aegis cruisers are the horse-and-buggy of the 21st C (/sarc).

Aside:
I have limited foreign policy understanding. I deal with emergencies as a profession, not long view. What I don’t understand is talk of military intervention in Iran to disrupt nuclear armament. why does it take troops?Seems to me- good intel + daisy cutter x 2 q2weeks = no more nuclear centrifuge.

OK, Mitt is doing well on Iran.

… and Romney finally got around to pointing out Obama’s many actions of fecklessness in the past vis a vis the Iranians.
“Tighten and get tougher” – Romney … “nothing is true”- obama

When Iran starts selling nukes to Egypt and Syria he will be

Romney on Obama’s “weaken America” campaign. Drive it in over and over! Well done on the avoidance of military intervention unless absolutely necessary. The average voters have no stomach for more war unless it is indubitably necessary.
Romney hits him hard with the Iranian centrifuges spinning for four more years.

“We are four years closers to a nuclear Iran …
Mr President, we have not dictated to other nations, we have liberated nations from dictators.”
(then Obama starts acting like a Jerk about how great he was as a candidate in 2008.)

obama trolling for jewish vote while openly supporting every jihadist type including muslim brotherhood……& snubbing Netanyahu every time he gets a chance! I hope the Jewish voters wake up & not go pull the lever for Dems

There are thousands of centrifuges in deep places where even the military says we cannot reach due to location. It is impossible totake them out completely. Cripple them-yes–wipe them out-no.

Agreed, better than Syria (because frankly not much differences on Syria, but Obama has a record of real weakness over 4 years and now pretend-tough-guy for the campaign. Romney’s poking holes in it.)

Does Obama live in the same world I do? His perception of reality is rather different than mine.

Not meeting with Netanhayu….making him wait….

o trying to paint Romney as a flip-flopper, but just looks petulant

“In America, there’s a failure to appreciate Europe’s leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.” Obama, France 2009

The little girl was so precious to him, like sausage and bulemia. I mean sasha and malia. Precious enough to use during a campaign debate only.

Bully for you, my thoughts exactly. He’ll throw that little girl under the bus just like he threw Hillary and the lying UN amb under the bus.

that’s the essence of liberals: let’s use the police power of the state and taxpayer funds (which we think are unlimited) to address a perceived issue based on a single sob story.

I think if the debate ends with Obama having even 1 second more time than Romney, and Romney wins the election, the argument could be made that the less a politician talks, the better his chances of winning. Of course, I forgot to consider how many more words Romney can say in a minute than Uh Uh Obama.

OBAMA’s Bin Laden? What?!! Did Scheiffer just say Obama’s Bin Laden?. BS card, on the table.

Roads and bridges are built by big payoffs to connected donors, esp some well connected construction companies large enough to operate with union labor forces. Follow the O money.

Overall, I don’t see “huge” differences in foreign policy. The benchmark that the challenger has to show is that they are “Presidential”. I suspect that is happening.

and remember, as before, in command Mitt is winning new voters with every statement. Romney presents as the President you want.

O is just flailing around desperately trying to hold onto the 25% of his base by the skin of his teeth, that’s what’s going on. Obama presents as the President ‘you’ve been had’.

Romney had that one ready and delivered it beautifully. He picked up a lot of steam – and the statements about indicting Achmanutjob was awesome. He looked super strong and confident – Presidential.

I meant to say, fails by O and his buds / admin.
R has to repeat the fails.

There is a school of thought that being pugnacious in foreign policy debates is a bad strategy.

I agree. A lot of double talk by Obama, but Romney is not pushing too hard. I believe that as a challenger, perhaps it is hard for Romney to criticize Obama because Obama’s fecklessness gets the rejoinder of Romney being a warmonger, and/or Romney wants to focus on serious answers to serious questions. Romney’s answer on Pakistan was serious and correct.

Obama: ‘Democracy’ abroad, Tyranny at home!

It’s seems like Obama “prepared” certain remarks he just had to get in, even if was not in context to the question or Romney’s answer. Like an actor.

Greatest national security threat: OUR FEDERAL DEBT. Actually, our triple deficit – the jobs deficit, trade deficit and fiscal deficit.

Trying to reach out to PA & OH. Not going to work, he is talking to ten workers while tens of thousands in PA & OH have been damaged by his attacks on fossil fuels.

Agreed. But Iran is up there.

Hope you’re right, but the missed opportunities are frustrating. Especially the unanswered lies.

Now let the flogging begin. R can talk intl trade with succinct lucidity and with aplomb.

Bob, Bob, Bob.. You should know by now that you will not succeed at a gotcha question with Romney when it comes to economics. He just knocked that out of the park on the China issue.

Obama is like a 4th grade bully. All in all Romney is much more presidential.

It’s by design to rally support in the “Rust belt”.

Great example of Chinese counterfeit products.
Now O comesback with the overseas job fiction. O’s regulations and unreasonable union demands and appeasement are why jobs go overseas.

“Now let the flogging begin.”

I was never a pacifist, but O makes it lots easier to become a sadist.

Obama is still filibustering. Sour look on his face face. Insists on interrupting.

Does O really think he’s making points by talking over Romney?

I think people are going to come out of this thinking that Mitt will be fine on foreign policy, and they are sick and tired of Obama’s voice and his economy. Many of the details will be lost.

Was thinking the same thing. There is a lack of respect shown by the President and the VP in this domain. Sadly, their base likes that.

Does anybody else notice that O is a jackass?

I noticed!

I think his debate prep consisted of junior high students giving him condescending comments to us on his opponent no matter what the question. They need to fire the kid who came up the “airbrushing of history” comment. It is like the Obama team viewed debate videos and wrote down all the zingers.

R needs to ask O, does making smart choices include dozens of failed companies like those mentioned before?

I love this part…

There’s a quote by Obama from 2008 out there saying that a weak economy leads to a weakened military. Mitt should bring this up.

Obama says Romney is cutting research…like R said, investing in companies is NOT research. I hope people can see through Obama.
Romney now reciting the litany of Obama’s economic failures. Moving to education now. 10th Amendment argument in passing. Well done, Romney!

And for the finale, Obama blames Bush!

O made real progress over the past 4 years???
Baroque excrescense.

Romney could make it simple: “GM and Chrysler went through bankruptcy during the Obama administration. This is exactly what I said was necessary for them to fix their costs and rebuild and turnaround. It’s odd the President is criticizing me for proposing what exactly happened.”

Obama finale… let’s develop energy sources for the future…. sound a lot like 2008, and after Solyndra, sounds pretty dumb.

He needs to keep talking about the past four years. It is the best ad for Gov. Romney.

Obama closing—blame Bush and accuse Romney of going back to his (Bush’s) policies. If you vote for me I will ensure all Americans are equally poor and lose all desire to excel and succeed.

Are you watching the debate we are? Romney spanking the red diaper baby.

Hopefully, from PACs.

Best line of the night: “I want to go Forward too, but I definitely don’t want to go back to the last 4 years.”

Great point! Four more years of non-listening, non-transparent failure. It’s Bush’s fault.

The key to tonight is that nobody really knows what is exactly right about any particular foreign incident, but Obama doesn’t have a clue and I hope it came through.

Did Romney look presidential? That’s all that really matters.

Could have without the interruptions.

Everyone on ABC is saying Obama won.

anything short of Obama fainting dead away will be called an Obama win by the MSM

if he fainted it would be because the air was too thick at the sea level Boca.

Obama offered up favorable words towards Israel more in the last 90 minutes than he’s said in his entire life. DON’T BELIEVE IT Bibi!!!

1st debate clear Romney win, 2nd debate very close with Romney taking an edge in most areas with Obama winning by a smidgeon in a few, 3rd debate close to even slight edge to one side or the other depending on who you talk to. The end result remain Romney surging towards the eventual win.

I said after the first debate where Romney embarrassed Obama and he started surging that this race was his to lose and all he and Ryan had to do in the next debates was show up and hold their own and they would win. They accomplished that and now we can know that Romney will be our next president. We can finally breath a sigh of relief, does not mean stop working for the win, that Obama and his policies are going to be a thing of the past in just a few more days.

God bless this country, we have hope again. Romney turned out to be the exact one we needed and while I am at it, Obama, get ready to do something immoral to yourself.

Greta V.S. is ______. She asks the dumbest questions, and she isn’t playing devil’s advocate unless she says so.

Mr. Romney, not Governor… Soledad….

Why did Romney keep repeating what Obama just said with a Romney delivery if he was going to convince anyone of a superior position?

I can see Obama monitoring elections in Venezuela. Next year.

Charels Krauthammer says Romney won unequivocally.

Everything Obama said was an act. It was transparent.
He gets the ‘flexibility’ after the election.
The main good news out of this debate was that Romney had no blunders and couldnt be pegged as a warmonger. Obama tried some lame attacks.

They better start now removing all the R’s from the keyboards in the WH

I agree, since the objective is to win the election, not score debate points.

I think this debate was a lot like the last one. Romney started off slow and then gradually built momentum, landing a number of body blows to Obama that really rocked him. Obama stayed on the “Romney’s lying” theme, but to me, it fell flat just like last time.

I didn’t like how Romney kept agreeing with Obama so much, but I think he was being gracious (something Obama is incapable of doing). To me, the best attack of the night was when Romney called him out for snubbing Israel on his trip to the Middle East. Killer comment and a great demonstration of where Obama’s true loyalties lie.

Obama attacked more, but I don’t think he did enough to turn things around in his favor. Romney held his own and was very controlled and confident. He had a great command of what is going on in the Middle East – much more than he was given credit for pre-debate. I agree with Dick Morris that the Romney surge will continue now that the debates are done.

I am praying for the voters in Ohio. Don’t let us down. We need you to GOTV!

Do any of you folks post anything other than opinion? I mean there are other things that we all share. Did no one else notice WMR repeated most of what Obama stated as His policy? Just wondering.

Yes. A favorite expression is “I don’t understand…”

First off, do not be testy because we will not respond to your troll remarks first. Second, it was Obama who seemed to be taking pointers from Romney. Obama has continued the Bush doctrine, and IMHO taken to another level that Bush would never have dreamed of (ie military action in Libya without Congress approval). So it is not surprising on one or two points they might agree. Romney would just do a better job, period.

ok, you’ve posted here 4 times and twice about the French. As to posting opinions….read slowly..this was an open thread on a debate so this is what we do on open thread debate night. And yes we have addressed that both Governor Romney and that other guy share a couple of ideas. Had you read all posts you would have noticed. But, trolls can’t read. So go sniff glue or do whatever it takes to excite you.

???????? Too much Jim Beam. Too many drinking games based on “It’s Bush’s fault.”

MODS-Please clean up the litter box in this aisle. Its starting to smell.

I wish I knew how to tweet.

Tngal…I had such a stress headache…you made me laugh out loud. Thanks for that!

Considering that Obama rules via Executive Order and likes to start illegal wars in Libya while spending like a drunken Senator from Massachusetts, I’d say Obama is one big epic failure.

After all, 48 MILLION Americans on food stamps can’t be wrong.

BTW, the HOUSE has sent budgets to the Senate for passage since Jan 2011 and DIngy Reid blocks them while NOT passing any budget, as required by the Constitution.

Well not Commander, I have been to busy responding to the few posts I put up. And it’s not all that hard, as not one single person has asked for proof. Most are relying upon opinion, and it seems fairly one-sided. I am just trying to post honest argument.

He started the Libyan Revolution? Amazing prospective. Please explain your ideas?

Proof of what? Your inadequacy? It’s a posteriori.

Oh, well you may want to pose a question next time. You claim dodge, and get satisfaction, and then forgot to point out your point. LOL. How childish to use ChatRoom in this arena.

Obama gave aid to the Libyans and used US forces in air strikes. Kinda sorta an act of war. Try researching the 500 US troops on the ground there in logistical positions after Zero said there were NONE on the ground.

Trolls like you are SOOOOO tedious. Just like boil on the a$$ of America in the White House.

Obama’s attack on coal is hurting him (finally) in coal country.

Trools, and that is how you address honest discourse that may not agree with you? Nice. So to answer the question, Do you agree it was better to lie to congress, and the american people and we are still not out of that?

No, in a debate questions are not required. Just a discussion of ideas is necessary. It seems you are not willing to engage in that. I made my point in my original statement, which you failed to reply to. Instead you engaged in a petty dodge and dismissal. Re-read my point and reply, if you are capable of doing so.

What do you mean about Chatroom and this arena and it being childish? You are not coming across as very intelligent, no offense.

Very funny. But I know you have the ability to decifer what the organ of the government that maintains power is? Atleast I would hope. If you say POTUS. Then you have failed the question.

Hmmmmm. And for what, how many days, he is allowed to do just that. And how is that developing? And how did GWB’s lie to America turn out?

Honest discourse? LOL. All you have done is dodge questions and engage in strawmen. Too funny!

“So stop the drinking then. And why blame Bush all the time. He did his part to screw things up. Congress has continued to do the same. And you want to whine about Obama. Have you ever thought about which it the power organ?”

This comment is incoherent.

Why not try using some Google training and have something to come to the table with? Although I had an older brother that was learning Latin in HS when I was learning how to count. And yes I at three could count to 100 in Latin, before I could in English.

Well push away for a while, and come back when you can concentrate.

No doubt that Romney won this debate just by hanging with the President and deflating his “war monger” argument. He continues to look the part of the President. He is very knowledgeable and is never stumped. He exudes calm and confidence. Most people who did not know Obama was the President, would have thought Romney was.

Regardless of instapolls, this one will help Romney and erode the President’s soft support. When that ballot gets filled out, many will decide we’re better with Romney because of the economic experience he brings – and now they know he can handle foreign policy.

All that and you can’t come up with something relevant. Only scary name calling. Wow, Impressive.

Apparently you still have trouble with English.

The objective was to look better than Obama. He succeeded.

“Amazing, honest discourse?” What dictionary did you get out to translate for you. Obviously, you aren’t from these United States given the way you worded your last reply. Anyway I love marveling at peoples’ technique at puffing themselves up in using antiquated terminology to give an air of elitism where none is justified. Libyan Revolution, you mean a problem the US will be dealing with 30years from now.

I know some Conservatives might feel that way because they thought he should have attacked more. I completely disgagree with those people. Someone over at the DC made a great point that debates are never about rallying the base it is about appealing to the undecideds and those who do not follow politics.

Candidates must strike a balance between laying out their ideas and attacking. Romney did that very well tonight without coming off as a jerk. Obama did not strike that balance well and his attacks were ill-timed and made him look petty. The result? A Romney win.

Did i mention you will now rebutt me with your childish attempt at a game of I had the last word.

Please point out one PROVEN lie to America that Bush 43 stated and a credible link so I can research it.

Last word, I win yeah me! Seriously, du de ge t a girl fr iend this sh o u ld ke ep u bu sy for a sec ond

I thought your answer was funny! I even looked up Patti Page to see if she was nicknamed the “Tennessee Songbird.” I guess not. Just “The Singing Rage.” Now Eddy Arnold, he was “The Tennessee Plowboy.”

I actually have a book about it, I just don’t have the time to learn. Jargon is getting harder for me to pick up these days.

And critical thinking, coherent thoughts, spelling, understanding the law, i.e., The Constitution….

Exactly. That military thing scored big with the dial twisters, but I thought it was petty.

The Dems have claimed that O has been trying to energize his base. His only real hope is to get out the unmarried female vote. They are strongly for him, it seems, and they vote in greater numbers than do men.

Romney wins men, overall. If he wins women too, O’s only hope left is that the Electoral College will break in his favor.

travalar: Still waiting for that link to a Bush 43 lie.

And now his minions are walking back (that is, admitting Obama lied) his announcement that sequestration would not happen.

I wish Romney had follwed with, “Mr. President, does that mean you will sign a tax bill that doesn’t raise tax rates for anybody? If it doesn’t, does it mean you don’t intend to follow the law?”

Thanks gunny. Hard to keep up with all of Obama’s disasters, isn’t it?

The key is that winning the debate to those people means who scored points, like a fight. It doesn’t mean they changed their minds about who they would vote for, and it doesn’t meant that the undecideds will vote for the winner if they don’t like they way he “won,” by interrupting and over-talking.

Romney was presidential, Obama was not.

People would say that Lloyd Bensen scored on Dan Quayle, but a few months later Quayle was VP and Bensen was still a Texas jackass.

golffan, Romney held his own in the area of foreign policy. An area which he was expected to fail at, but didn’t. The answers from himself, and Obama, kept rerouting back to economy and other domestic interests. Areas which Romney excels at. He did agree with the pres on many issues so that did not draw a clear line. Don’t mean to sound like a country song, but…”I watch CNN but I’m not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran”, and really that’s the way it plays out. If anyone knew something about half the countries those two spouted off, they are politcal ‘wonks’.

That sounds plausible. Seems like a classic trial balloon to me.

It’s best to ALWAYS mute Sarah!

Karl Rove agrees. And if he knows anything, he knows campaigns and elections.

PPP Poll:
More or less likely to vote for Obama? 32%/48% Romney? 47%/35%

A clear win in the important statistic. Romney turned voters on, Obama turned them off.

Great. CBS. Wonderful source.

We lost the foreign policy part of the debate… Sorry, but it’s true…

Mainly because Romney spent the whole thing agreeing with the President, in a gigantic rush to get off the subject of foreign policy & side-track onto the domestic economy… It was as if the folks prepping him said ‘Yield on foreign policy & get off topic as quick as possible, so you can talk about the US economy’….

To wit, he promised not to use force in Syria (Wrong answer) and proposed the most weak-kneed, Democrat-like foreign policy ever heard from any Republican besides Ron Paul…

On the part of the debate he desperately DID want to engage in, he was good – ‘Obama is weak’ most likely resonated well….

However, in the exchange about the auto industry he missed a GOLDEN opportunity to put Obama down for the count & hurt his own position in the process!

As we know, Obama has been claiming (falsely) that Romney wanted to liquidate the auto industry. Romney’s response, while accurate, is something that only lawyers (Real lawyers, not professor-politicians with law degrees) & businessmen understand – specifically the dramatic differences between types of bankruptcies.

While Romney is used to living in a community that understands this, the average American hears ‘bankruptcy’ and thinks ‘All your stuff for sale on the front lawn’… And (Although Romney tried, with Obama talking over him the whole time) you simply cannot explain the difference in a 2 minute debate segment.

What you can do, is accuse the ‘law-professor’ President of not knowing the difference between CH7 and CH11, because ‘he never even practiced his own profession – law – much less ran a business’ and that ‘If he actually had some real-world experience (like Romney does) he might have done a better job managing the economy’…

Cue press discussion of the different types of bankruptcy & an argument over how CH11 would have impacted the auto industry for the next week – an argument that would only favor Romney.

Wham-bam-turn-out-the-lights-it’s-over & congrats to Pres Romney, if that had been said…

Instead, Obama & his allies in the press will exploit the fact that the average American does NOT know the difference, to sell the line that Romney wanted to liquidate the industry… A HUGE missed oppertunity….

That was the conventional wisdom after the second R v O debate too – and look where the poll numbers have gone since then.

O’s team seemed to hope Mitt might run out his clock tonight, refuting and reconstructing all of BHO’s false claims and broken promises. Debate analysis over the expected talking points may be central in media spin rooms, but voters’ decisions are made up of a much broader – and oftentimes subtler – aggregate of impressions. I expect the R/R team is measuring success by a number of metrics not ordinarily taken into account.

It’s hard to win the debate when you just co-opt your opponents horrid foreign-policy positions…

Let’s hope that style trumps substance then

(BTW, I listened to it on the radio, and the ABC radio commentator basically said ‘Romney won – but entirely on style, not substance’ – I can agree with that)…

In the end, all that matters is that R stays up in the polls…

I really hope he etch-a-sketches those horrid Dem-like foreign policy positions come February….

If Romney said we would not use force in Syria….then I agree with him. Obama has already armed enough countries with unstable forces within. We do not need another Libya or Egypt.

And I thought Romney won the debate and looked Presidential. He completely defeated the warmonger meme the Obama camp tried to pin on him and was strong on China, Israel, and Pakistan.

Well, we obviously disagree on Libya and Egypt. We never should have gotten involved in either till we determined just who would have filled the power vacuum. Egypt is more dangerous to the US and Israel now than under Mubarek. An argument could be made for Libya as well. I do not hold to RP’s isolationist viewpoint, but I do not feel we should be the world’s police force or engage in military actions that do not directly threaten our national security. I hold a middle-of-the-road view, as do most Americans.

Romney did not duck the foreign policy issues, he met them and met them well.

No, he did not agree with Obama on everything. On some things he did agree, in part because those are the areas Obama has taken from the Bush playbook.

Ironically the very things you are advocating for re: Libya, Egypt, Syria, are all Obama positions. All of which, in my opinion has been an epic failure and why Obama is such a disaster on FP. He goes into countries naively, without assessing the reality on the ground or who these “rebels” actually are. Oh, and Egypt only started to topple when the US got involved, now we have the MB in charge.

Listen, we are just not going to agree in FP nor the outcome of the debate. We are on the same side. Go Romney/Ryan!

Obama won tactically, he scored more points, many of them phony attacks, strawmen, and double talk contrary to his real record.
Romney won strategically, he didnt want to stoop to Obama’s level but project a more serious and thoughtful approach to our foreign policy challenges.

Obama came across as aggressive, petulant, and eager to take personal credit (“ME” won libya).

Romney came across as Presidential and on target.

This is factually incorrect. The split is Obama 37%/31%, and Romney 38%/35%.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_SwingStateDebatePoll_1022.pdf

Hey there. Just FYI, Karl was referring to the Independent cross tab on the question. You are correct on the overall numbers. Karl is correct on Independents. PPP included MI and PA in their poll, but no similarly R leaning states other than arguably NC. One would expect O to lead such a poll.

Shouldn’t Boca be much further above sea level now that Obama has lowered the sea level?

You’re just a troll, aren’t you? Next you’ll be talking about how Mitt is just a Democrat plant in the White House.

I really wish that Romney had asked Owebama if all those Israeli border towns would still be in Israel had they retreated back to 1967 borders as he had commanded them to do.

Yes, in this debate it was negligible by the end. Within the debate, it sometimes went over 3 minutes (I think, even when R was finished and it was again O’s turn). At one point, BS interrupted R just as he was making his point, and O at the time was over two minutes ahead. BS should have let R continue the answer.

Good link. Rove reported wrong numbers or early numbers, I don’t know which.