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A Wide Electoral/Popular Vote Split Won’t Happen

There is an emerging narrative percolating throughout the political world; the prospect that Romney could win the popular vote but lose the Electoral College.  The theory is predicated on the seemingly contradictory data between state and national polls.  National polls seem to show Romney with a consistent 2-4% lead, while state polls show the candidates tied or Obama slightly ahead in Ohio, Iowa, and Wisconsin.

Some analysts are attempting to harmonize the state and national polls by theorizing that Romney’s national lead is driven by historic gains among whites in red states and a strong showing in Pennsylvania and Michigan.  They suggest that ultimately the Electoral College boils down to Ohio (or Wisconsin, if Romney loses Ohio), a state where Obama’s much-vaunted ground game and oversaturation of ads could flip the state and the entire election to Obama.

This analysis is dead wrong.  Either the state polls are correct, and this is a dog fight, or the national polls are correct, and this is a Romney win.  The both cannot reflect reality.

It’s not just that the national polls show Romney ahead by 3%; it’s that 3 respected, yet diverse, national polls converged yesterday on the exact same number in one day – Romney 50% Obama 47% (today Gallup is Romney +5 and ABC/WaPost is Romney +1).  So Romney is at 50% and the incumbent is at 47% (how ironic!) with undecided voters likely to break against him in an election defined by the stagnating economy.  But it’s more than that.  The Washington Post poll has Romney leading by 19-20 among Independents; Rasmussen shows him with a 17-point lead.  Romney is now crushing Obama on the economy and even leading in favorability.  It is almost impossible to lose the Electoral College under normal circumstances when leading by more than 1% nationally.  It’s certainly impossible to lose when polling this well in all the internals.

In order for Romney to win by such margins in the popular vote, yet lose the Electoral College, he would have to outperform Bush in a number of non-swing-states, though he is unlikely to do so.

The math doesn’t add up.

Bush won the popular vote by 2.46% in 2004.  In order to assume that Romney wins by roughly the same margin as Bush (or probably more, based on the internal numbers of the national polls), yet loses the Electoral College, one has to find a number of places where Romney outperforms Bush.  But look around the map.  Bush did really well in red states and probably won a number of them by more than Romney will.  Bush won Montana by 21 points – something Romney will not do.  The latest Rasmussen poll had him up just 8.

What about the blue states?  People forget that Bush did pretty well in many Democrat states.  He came within 7.6 in Delaware; 6.7 in NJ, 4 in Oregon, 3.5 in MN, and 9 in Maine.  Heck, he only lost California by 10 points – a somewhat unlikely outcome for Romney.

What about the swing states?  He won CO by 4.5; VA by 8; FL by 5; and NC by a whopping 13.  He even won New Mexico – a state that Romney will not come close to winning (unless the Gallup national poll is correct).

What about Romney dramatically overperforming in Wis, MI, and PA, yet still losing?  Well, that’s already baked into Bush’s 2.46% national margin.  He lost Wis. by the slimmest of margins, PA by 2.5, and MI by 3.5.

Across the board, this is a much better showing in many states than Romney is expected to win, even in the best case scenario.  Yet, he still only won the popular vote by 2.46% overall.  So the idea that Romney could match this margin or even more nationally, yet lose the Electoral College, but make up the difference by overperfroming Bush in a number of areas, is crazy talk.  Where would those votes come from?

Bottom line: if Romney wins the popular vote by 2-3%, he will clearly run the table on all the swing states, and possibly come very close in MI or PA, if not win them outright.  Oh, and what’s all that talk of ads running in Minnesota?

So what about the state polls?  If you look at most of the samples, they are more Democratic than the 2008 turnout model.  It’s becoming clear that the early voting, which is disproportionately comprised of Democrats, is distorting the likely voter screens of most state polls.  That’s why they are all showing a high D turnout, despite the ubiquitous enthusiasm gap.

Additionally, notice how Romney’s surge has stalled out in the state polls even as it continues in the national polls.  He has even stalled in some Colorado and Virginia polls, states where Obama is clearly losing.  The stagnation in all the state polls began right around the time when early voting picked up in earnest.  If we are to believe the national polls, which are hard to disregard due to the convergence, the only plausible theory about the divergence of state polling is that they are inflating Democrat strength by 2-4% due to early voting.

If you reconstruct a turnout model that is only slightly more favorable for Republicans than 2008, Romney is ahead in most of the important states.  Take this Gravis Marketing poll of Iowa, for example.  They show Obama up 4 points, but the party ID is D +6 (D 41, R 35, I 24).  In 2008, it was D +1 (D 34, R 33, I 33), and in 2004 it was R +2 (D 34, R 36, I 30).  Here’s the kicker: the poll shows Romney leading by 12 among independents.  Remember that of all swing states, Republicans improved their voter registration edge the most in Iowa.  Additionally, there is a tremendous enthusiasm gap.  Yet, if we merely reconstruct the 2008 turnout, which was evenly split among all three affiliations, a 12-point Indy win would clearly tip the state to Romney.

We’re seeing the same thing with the latest ARG poll in Ohio.  They have Obama up 49-47, yet Romney is winning Independents by a gargantuan 21 points.  The sample is D+9, even though it was D+5 in 2008.

It’s becoming clear that the national polls could easily work with the state polling data if we adjust for the likely turnout distortions from early voting.  To a certain extent, we are seeing a reflection of the national polling in the Rasmussen state polls that factor in respondents who are certain to vote.  However, whether this theory is correct or not, one thing is certain: Romney will not win Independents nationally by 15-19 points and lose the Electoral College.

Cross-posted from The Madison Project

COMMENTS

  • texasref

    I disagree. I appreciate your analysis, though. I think Erick’s earlier article on the polls being more reliable the closer we get to Election Day jives with what Rush says about how the pollsters are pushing an agenda earlier in the year but in October are trying to be right. So I don’t doubt that it is actually a dogfight in these swing states. What doesn’t add up is the electoral college math for Romney. I do think he will have dramatic margins in already solidly red states, with people coming out of the woodwork, including libertarians who never vote Republican making an exception this time around in such states as Texas and other solid red states. Adding to this dynamic is the fact that there are a lot of important down-ballot U.S. Senate, House, and other races and referenda that are bringing people out to the polls. As a Texan I can stay home and safely assume Texas is going Romney, but I will go to the polls not just out of the principle of the thing, but because there are many important down ballot races, and I want to turn this rascal Obama out like no other.

    Plus your constant analogizing to 2004 is not necessarily as appropriate as it seems, given 2004 our guy was the incumbent not the challenger, so this speaks to huger margins potentially in the red states. The fact that Romney has turned it into a dogfight in the Rust Belt is amazing in and of itself. And don’t forget the 99% black vote is going to come out in droves for Obama,,and there is a healthy concentration of Democratic base in states like Ohio.

    I firmly believe that Ohio will go down to the wire, and if we do lose Ohio, we will lose the election. Yet his margin will be so strong–including a single-digit loss in California–that I am much more confident that Romney will win the popular vote than I am that he will win the electoral college.

    If the election were held today, I’d say there is a 90% chance Romney wins the popular vote and a 40% chance he wins the electoral college. In other words, we need an Ohio miracle.

  • http://elendil.schenkenfelder.com bfsche01

    a 3% win nationally would mean a margin of about 4,000,000 votes. Mr Horiwitz is right, it seems very improbable with that size of a victory margin that most of the swing states wouldn’t go for Romney.

  • congressworksforus

    If Romney wins Independents nationally by 15-19 points, all bets are off as to whether he could beat Reagan’s 49 States in 1984.

    My guess is the gap will be about half that and he’ll be the 45th President; if he turns things around like Reagan did, that 50 State drubbing could well happen. Especially if you consider who would run as the D challenger. (No, it wont be the 70 year old Hilary Clinton.)

  • DerKrieger

    I don’t understand Iowa. It seems to me that it ought to be a solidly Red state. Why is it not?

    How is it that Obama won a majority of Indies in 2008 and beat McCain by a significant margin yet now that Romney is beating Obama with Indies even more than Obama did McCain, he is tied or just barely ahead?

    Obama won on the backs of young voters, minority voters, and independents. The young and minorities still support him but won’t turn out as in 2008. The independents are going to Romney so why isn’t Romney way ahead? Perhaps on Nov. 6 it will turn out to be a romp but I’m curious why the polls don’t reflect that now.

  • http://madisonproject.com/ Daniel Horowitz

    Absolutely correct. This is why even in the best case scenario, Romney ill not pick off pure blue states. But if the national polls are correct, he will run the table on the swing states

  • gawken

    Whatever happened to the National Popular Vote movement, the liberal?Dem group that sprang up after 2000. Have they suddenly gone mute? And haven’t some states already voted to require their electors to vote for whoever wins the national popular vote, regardless of how their respective state voted?

    Does this mean that Mitt will carry California, NY, Illinois, and Massachussets?

  • unclefred

    You can’t have it both ways. If libertarians come out strongly in the red states they’ll do the same in the blue states and in the swing states.

    The blacks who come out will vote overwhelmingly of Obama, but with a large number of black pulpits calling on their congregations to deny support to Obama and Democrats in general and that is okay not to vote for them this time around black turnout may be well off the 2008 high. No way to tell that at this point. Further the minority “share” of the electorate is influenced by non-minority turnout and the projections of a 78% white vote are conceivable perhaps even reasonable. A 78% turnout means that Romney wins Ohio, Pa, Wisc, Mi, NH, Iowa, and Co.

    So if Romney can get into single digits in Ca, which Obama won by 20+%, why wouldn’t you expect him to show that kind of improvement in Wisc, and Pa either of which assuming he carries Co and NH and the other “close” swings make Oh unnecessary.

  • gawken

    Iowas is perhaps the most politically schizophrenic state. They’ve been sending BOTH Grassley AND Harkin back to the Senate for decades. Go figure?

  • greyeagle

    Romney will win in a landslide, plus I predict that Republicans in general will do very well nationwide and will keep the House and take back the Senate.

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