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The usual hand wringing is occurring now about social conservatives causing the GOP to lose.

Todd Akin lost because he swallowed his foot and kept gagging on it, not because he is pro-life.

Richard Mourdock was beaten by a Democrat who ran as a pro-lifer.

As for the so called “war on women,” there is no war on women and women did not abandon Mitt Romney for Barack Obama because of their love of killing kids in the womb.

In fact, if you pull out black female voters, the Democrats and Republicans are tied among women. Are black women voting Democrat because they are women or in a consistent pattern with black voters in general.

Blame social conservatives if you must, but (A) you are lying to yourself and (B) if this is a fight you want to have, I’m happy to see you in the primaries in 2014. I like my chances.

COMMENTS

  • rickbillies

    I think that the Republican Party needs to take a long hard look at the exit polling. I working at a polling place in Albemarle County, Virginia that went 66% for Obama. We had students, government workers and hospital/university workers. We had students that didn’t even know their own addresses! If this is the future of America, I don’t want it. Obama has set us on an unsustainanble path to become a super-Greece.

    The first thing that the House should do is depose Mr. Boehner and elect Paul Ryan as Speaker. Then we’d have a strong ideological leader who was visible every day.

    I look for the Republican governors to push back against the Federal government. Remember one thing: America exists because of the consent of the governed. If half the country does not consent, what will we have?

  • Martin Knight

    Whatever mistake was made here or there by Romney or his campaign, the simple fact of the matter is that Obama would have been calling to congratulate Romney on his victory were it not for the MSM.

    If the GOP continues to ignore this 800lbs gorilla …

  • http://patriotpowerplay.blogspot.com/ mirac777

    Very well said. Greece here we come. I smile today as I know I will be dead and gone by the time 8 years of the Obama-destruction of the freeest nation on earth shows up in the form of the widespread poverty inherent in Socialism. All those ignorant young voters dancing in the streets will get what they deserve soon. At least I have the peace of mind to know I have been on the side of true Americans throughout this battle. No world power, no amount of UN Globalism could defeat America, and in the end it was defeated from within.

  • ipeduto

    Agreed! I see no future for Republicans/Conservatives in the WH, the Senate, or SCOTUS. If anyone can somehow help to slow the eventual deterioration of America, it will be the Governors of the individual States – if the People decide to allow them that opportunity. As for me, I think America is done!

  • ipeduto

    I like what you have said, & I agree with you. The great experiment that was America is done – thinking so is Israel. By 2016 this country will be irreversibly liberal or socialist or some such aberration of what we knew America to be.

  • spinoneone

    What we saw was a clear demonstration of Mitt’s honesty about “the 47%” coupled with the 5% – 10% of liberal elites. They joined forces and defeated us, handily. Yes, Akin and Moron ate their entire legs, but that wasn’t the only reason they lost. Looks to me like we are at exactly the same point on November 7th that we were on on November 5th. Now, will the House have some balls and make a real effort to contain Obama or will they fold their tents and look for re-election in 2014? From past demonstrations, I’d have to bet on folding the tent. Tragic, but some people have neither scruples nor principles.

  • vamoose

    Erick, please don’t ignore the results of the election. Romney won in MO & IN by 10. Akin lost by 15. Mourdock lost by 5. I don’t think I’m lying to myself in making this observation. As for 2014, I don’t think the primaries are the proving grounds for social conservatives. Yes, in many states and districts they are the candidate of choice. But can they win in November? As with the Tea Party some times you end up with a Marco Rubio; some times you get a Christine McDonnell.

  • staunchconservative

    I hate to say it, but for all of the campaining, debates, ads, polls and other hoopla, for my money, the election was lost in the last month for several reasons.

    Number 1. Many people actually believed the 7.8 umemployment number, and the corresponding miracle drop of half a percent on 114k jobs created in the next to last month before the election. I’m not saying the number was manipulated, but I am saying that the magnitude of the drop gave people the impression (though I believe it will be born out to be a false impression) that the economy was suddenly getting much stronger. For better or worse, Americans have incredibly short memories, and the perception of the moment for that ONE month outweighed the reality of the entire previous 4 years. Not to mention overlooking exactly how the number was arrived at.
    I hope I’m wrong, but six months from now, as Obamacare continues to be implemented, and regardless of what is done, if anything, about the fiscal cliff, it will show the folly of that thinking and it will be reflected in higher unemployment numbers. The perception that we were moving in the right direction will be proven false.

    Number 2. Hurricane Sandy handed Obama a huge gift in allowing him the opportunity to look presidential in the last few days leading up to the election. Something he has struggled to do for the last four years. Again, that one moment erased four years of the past in the blink of an eye. It didn’t help that Christie decided to make Obama look like the second coming, but I understand that Christie probably also wants to get re-elected. I’m not saying Christie threw the nation under the bus for the sake of his state, but he certainly helped Obama attain an aura that he previously lacked.
    Number 3. Romney,(like most establisment Republicans) absolutely refused to pound Obama with his own record. Sorry, mentioning food stamps and unemployment is only about a tenth of what was needed. The problem with Romney, as with most Republicans, is that they are not conservatives. They try so hard to play both ends to the middle that they end up looking mushy instead of decisive.
    To think that the GOP could not defeat Barack Obama with as dismal a record as he has, speaks far more loudly of the GOP than it does Obama. If the GOP insists on continuing down this path of being liberal lite, they will wander in the desert for the next forty years.
    By the way. I didn’t vote for Romney. I voted for the libertarian. Though I am a conservative with some liberatarian leanings, and I certainly don’t agree with the libertarians on abortion, legal drugs, and gay marriage, after John McCain, I swore a solemn oath to myself that if I could not enthusiastically support a candidate, I would either vote 3rd party or do a write in. I don’t have to agree with someone 100%, but on the core issues, we have to at least be in the same ballpark. On securing the borders, spending and the deficit, I did not trust what Romney was saying.
    Apparently a lot of others didn’t either. Why vote for liberal lite in Romney when you can have the real deal in Barack Obama if that is the way you lean anyway.

  • ihateliberals

    Erick I think you must be soking some of that medical mary Jane. The Tea Party and the Repubican Partys both abandoned all conservatives. We had no champions. I told you in 2011 during trhe Primaries that Romeny while he is a veryu nice man and honest he wassn’t fighting material he had no way of beating the evil he was facing. no one listened and look what we have now. The way the Liberals are gaining in strength if we hold onto the house in 2014 it will be amiracle. I am renoucing my membership in the Republican party that I have had for the past 50 years. They do’t want a Reagan Conservative anymore. The leadership of the Party actually fought against the Tea Party becasue of its conseravtism. I thinkit is time to replace the Lincoln Republican Party with somethng else. We have to be strong enough as a conservative Party to draw in not only the republican conservatives but the Democratic conservatives. Liek i said before i am 65 and doubt i wil live long enough to see America Strong again.

  • wlcjr

    The point is, Akin lost. And with him went the chance for a R majority. Now we are politically screwed, with huge important issues looming. Divisive social issues are a trap waiting for the leftist media to exploit. And if Akin had won there would not have been any changes to the abortion laws.
    The Dems have taken on identity politics, the way to counter that is through broad appeal to the masses, not through divisive social issues. Wake up.

  • northcack34

    Akin & Mourdock didn’t lose b/c they were pro-life; they lost b/c they kept talking when they should’ve shut up. My humble advice to all pro-life politicians: when asked for your position on abortion, say simply, “I’m pro-life with (x) exceptions. My position is based on my values and I will stand up for these values if elected.” Period. Shut up. Do not talk about “legitimate rape” or what “God intended.” Just be pro-life, stand up for it, and that’s it. Whether what Akin or Mourdock said is true is irrelevant. The media is going to take any other comments and run with them, whether we like it or not.

    As a conservative attorney (yes, we exist), these abortion questions are like questions in a deposition. The more you talk, the more the deposing attorney is going to dig into you and make you look like a fool, a liar, or worse. In politics, the media is the deposing attorney, and the voting public is the jury. No matter what you say in press conferences after your answer to the media’s original question on abortion, the media is going to throw your original comments back in your face until the public buys the argument that you are guilty as a woman-hating, privacy-invading, Bible-thumping, scientific-idiot Neanderthal. As a general rule, in a deposition, one should give accurate answers in as few words as possible. The same applies to conservative politicians who are asked about abortion; answer the question briefly and hush. And remember, it’s hard to affect the abortion debate as a politician if you don’t get elected in the first place.

  • jsmills

    Eric, you liked your chances last night too, ha ha.

    Face it, between “social” and “Wall Street” the narrow special interests who’ve taken over the Grand Old Party just led the Grand Old Party astray. No way no how in this economy with the last four years that the Dem’s should be retaining the Presidency and (what!?) padding their margin in the Senate.

    Let’s get the party back to its roots in liberty and actual conservatism. That means not trying to impose your social values on others. That means actual capitalism not crony capitalism. Safety nets are not optional in a modern society: their use should be minimized but they should not be demonized.

  • mc2mc5

    By all means–take this lawyer’s advice–do not tell the truth about what you believe in! That’s the way to fool the public and get elected.

  • APA Guy

    I’m not sure today is the day to be laughing in the faces of this blog’s members, jsmils. There is nothing even remotely funny about where this country is headed.

  • northcack34

    Baloney. Tell the truth, just don’t keep yapping on about “legitimate rape” and what “God intended,” even if it’s “what you believe in.” Contrary to popular belief, we don’t always need to say everything that’s on our mind. It’s good to have a filter; otherwise, we end up looking and sounding like Joe Biden (I can’t believe we have to hear HIS name for 4 more years). Say you’re pro-life and get on with it. Nobody’s “fool[ing] the public.” This advice is like the old advice from my grandfather – better to keep your mouth shut and let everyone think you’re a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. Two careless minutes from 2 politicians cost us 2 pro-life seats.
    Abortion is one of those issues where, the more you dig into the weeds while answering a question, the worse you look. Simply answer the question and get elected. If Mourdock and Akin had just said they were pro-life with (x) exceptions, they’d be 2 more votes in the Senate for overturning pro-abortion Obamacare. So, you apparently advise politicians to talk about “legitimate rape” and what “God intended” because it’s “tell[ing] the truth about what you believe in.” Hope that works out for you. Akin and Mourdock are 2 good people, they just stepped in it and it cost them and the pro-life cause. We pro-lifers have GOT to be smarter than that.

  • otets

    Local Sovereignty. Stop paying for this stuff anymore.

  • clowngirl

    I agree that about the Romney bashing! But we still have control of the house that means something.

  • zollistar

    Excellent advice, northcack.

    Good sales people likewise know that the more they say, the wider the door to more objections. Good sales people know to simply answer the questions — and then shut up.

  • avgjo

    Amen brother.

    As usual, you nail it.

  • avgjo

    Yeah. Secular societies are all free. Just ask the Europeans, the Soviets and the red Chinese.

  • celador2

    Bob Dole refused to back Sam Brownback in 1996 yet Sam went on to win a Senate seat and now is governor of Kansas,. He presides over a state where tea party candidates took back the Senate. They made gains and maybe a majority on Assembly also and all can work well with Gv Brownback who is pro life and a fiscal conservative. Taxes and lowering themis on the Kansas agenda for legislation and they may eliminate the state income tax or some major tax. This is heavy duty work by conservatives who osee taxes as oppressive..

    Bob Dole a few years back on TV to an audience was pumping abortion and bashing the GOP for not being pro abortion.

    The US is more pro life than pro abortion and if we allow the DNC and media to influence us on how to grow by looking more like Democrats we will still not win. Democrats are the real thing when it comes to killing innocents and a single issue voters will go with them every time. How well are they doing nnationwide? What are DNC chances for 2014, 2016?

    We must not abandon life as there is a demand for pro life candidates in a society that was formed on self government. Liberals, secularists and media all want the GOP to abandon people of faith, limited government constitutionalists and become a top down centralized nation more like a EU super state than the United States as it was designed 1787. Move us away from Life and break our confidence, our reasoning and judgement is is how they start to divide us. But we are rooted in our history and must not budge.

    Test us on a core value to win an election.

    Martyrs, both Catholic and Protestants are those who would not renounce their faith and thus were inspirations to all who believed in the past. Were it not for the Protestant Reformation and self govening congregations Puritans and Dissenters from 1500s on , all evangelical of sorts, we would not be here as the USA. We come from them. Founders held firm the premise that if the Prince were not good and all else failed we would not remain in servitude. And this pro life issue is similar in that it is grounded in sacred rights and duties. It is up to us to protect innocents.
    Do not take the bait to switch; Life is alive

  • avgjo

    I see you’re an abortion supporter, and a feminist. American Taliban? We want to turn women into non-person incubators, without rights? Huh. That’s news to all the tea party women I know.

    I think you’re on the wrong site. The HuffPo is over there, to the far left.

  • jsmills

    I prefer to ask the Germans, the Japanese, the South Koreans, the Swedes, the Norwegians, the Danes, the Dutch – you know, the many secular democracies that are kicking our butt economically, and managing to have freedom as well as a social safety net.

    I’m not laughing at Erick I’m crying. Crying at what the coalition of crony capitalists and church-as-staters have wrought. And crying that folks like Erick that IMO should be real conservatives – promoting liberty and a strong nation with a strong economy – have become their willing tools.

  • jsmills

    Yeah well evolution and science are news to all those tea party women too… +1 to TLiR: real conservatism needs a fresh start.

  • avgjo

    Well, to begin with, the only reason that they’re outperforming us right now is because we have a, wait for it… a president of America’s secular party in office. Japan’s economy has stagnated for years, and it is a corporatist country. The Northern European Countries you named have all kinds of laws protecting Muslims from criticism, high taxation, etc. Ask Geert Wilders about how free the Netherlands is. South Korea still doesn’t approach the wealth this country traditionally has.

    The fact that you promote a ‘social safety net’ tells me a lot. I thought you might be a Ronulan, but you’re just a socialist tool.

  • celador2

    Thumbs up!
    Mr Romney and Mr Ryan are tops. Their five point recovery plan begins with energy independence. has trade and education choices. I hope that plan sticks around.
    Always gracious and professional those two spoke to us all. It was close and the inclumbent won. I voted for Romney and Ryan not just against Obama.
    .

  • streiff

    another candidate for the “missed a great chance to STFU” award.

  • celador2

    And states have a Republican majority for governors and lelgislatures since 2010.

  • streiff

    American taliban, eh? Never heard that one before…

  • celador2

    I see those things too and think of them much of the time, especially the betrayal of Roberts.He rewrote the law and gave life to Obamcare as a legit issues.
    But what keeps the GOP alive is the different electorates. Presidential electorates bring out the Demcrats but a lower turn out like 2010 midterms is more issue driven and sweeps in conservatives.

  • soljerblue

    Mourdock also had a foot-in-mouth moment which he was unable to overcome, but what set him back also was the p***ed-off Lugar-ites who refused to support him after he beat their RINO champion in the primary.

  • soljerblue

    It only means something of Boehner-Kantor, et.al. can grow a pair, or find the ones they misplaced the last two years.

  • soljerblue

    I recently told a state senator friend — this was in early October — that if Obama wins, the last hope of federalism is gonna come down to the states. So maybe, Celador, you have a point — just depends on how feisty those states get — whether they’re happy to be provinces of DC, or whether they want their sovereignity preserved.

  • soljerblue

    Roger that! I, too, voted FOR Romney/Ryan at the end, although I started out not liking Romney at all and seeing only an alternative to Obama. And I did like Ryan — a lot. Hope he stays active — we surely need his like in the House, and especially in the leadership. I find Romney to be the kind of leader this country sorely needs. A man of faith — whatever you think of his religion, it recognizes the Saviour of the World — strong character, virtues, and integrity. I believe — whatever you think of his campaign and/or message — he would have been at least as good a C-in-C as Ike and Reagan.

  • clowngirl

    I’d like to speak to the social conservative issue:

    My personal position on abortion is that there should be exceptions for rape, incest, and threats to the life of the mother ( I realize that’s probably not a popular view on RedState)

    My thinking on this is as follows:

    1. Not everything that is morally wrong can rightfully be made illegal.
    2. Killing a developing fetus at a very early stage of development – is different from killing a fully developed baby because the fetus is not yet a sentient being.
    3. Banning a woman from aborting a child that she was impregnated with during rape is a more morally complicated situation than banning abortion on demand.

    I imagine that the prospect of being raped and conceiving as a result of that rape is a HORRIFYING thought to most any woman — and I very much admire any woman who goes through that and chooses to keep her child. But under those circumstances, I don’t think that it’s the place of the state to tell her she must go through pregnancy and give birth.

    I realize it’s not as clean a position as “life is life – taking life is wrong” but I also think forcing a woman to endure pregnancy that resulted from rape is wrong. To me the irresponsibility of women who have consensual sex without effective birth control (or who even use abortion as birth control) is relevant.

    I can and have voted for candidates who are well to the right of me on abortion (partly because I think banning abortion altogether will not happen) and I respect their reasons for taking their stance – HOWEVER – I have often been turned off by the rhetoric of pro-lifers who take a more purist stance because they so often choose not to deal with the issue of conception-through-rape. And – frankly – when a male politician just blows past the issue it does come across as callous and high handed.

    Pro-life purists need to show that they understand why, frankly a large majority of people see banning abortion for rape victims as different from banning abortion on demand and they need to talk about the issue a LOT more respectfully. And there needs to be some kind of party discipline to ensure some random Senate candidate doesn’t damage the whole party.

    In CO, we took heavy losses at the state level – and it was precisely because of unaffiliated female voters.

    The “War on Women” worked — and was probably much more effective because of help from Republicans.