That people forget is true. BUT will we still have an America to restore by 2016? Obama’s agenda is to so weaken our country that it will be beyond restoration. I will be here but continue to feel great anxiety.

It is certainly true that Republicans have not articulated the conservative vision and have systematically caved in to what can only be called socialist ideas. However, you must look at the world and see the overwhelming success of socialism. Not economically, because even the old semi-socialist European nations are now unraveling, but in being adopted by the citizens of democratic and semi-democratic nations. Despite all their woes, the French have just elected a communist, as we have. It would appear that the majority of people everywhere are attracted to the idea of getting something for nothing, at someone else’s expense. We know that hard work and self-reliance made America what it is today, but telling people that they must work hard and it will be perhaps a generation before immigrants can move out of their tenements doesn’t sell anymore. Immigrants may not come to this country looking for welfare, but they come to this country wanting an immediate fix, instant “wealth”, which from their point of view is nicely achieved by their welfare payments. They may want a job, but they are perfectly happy to simply have food stamps and other things they did not have in their countries. When we read that they are in “poverty”, we forget that we calculate the “poverty level” with respect to the average income of Americans, not of the people where they come from. By those standards, they are rich, and so they will never vote to lower those benefits. They assume that someone will always be working hard and that the government will share the fruits of that labor with them. There is absolutely no way that the conservative message can appeal to those people. When you add the number of people who understand nothing about foreign affairs or anything more than that they want unrestricted irresponsible sex, drugs, entertainment, social media, and so forth, the liberals have a coalition that is not going to be stopped by an explanation of conservative values.

You are very wrong on one point. People do come to this great country for free money. That’s how we lost. Obama bought this election on welfare and kickbacks through the stimulus and scared immigrants. He won because people were scared of losing what they have. Romney’s 47% figure in his statement was 4% too low.

We live in an age of celebrity. Even modern hillbilly moonshiners get more air time on “reality tv” than conservatives. A new day of constant messaging is needed on a 24/7 basis in media from both conservatives and RNC that levels the playing field with the complicit mainstream if we are to reach and change hearts and minds of the new young socialists and unbalanced uninformed electorate.

Although, of course, the idiots then turn to tax hikes first. They’ll raise taxes all the way to 90% if we let them.

And perhaps that may be better for the American ideal ultimately. Just hurtle over the fiscal cliff at full speed and, yes, introduce lots of good, Conservative legislation, but also just sit on our hands and abstain when the votes come, because that is the will of the people. Nancy Pelosi can become Speaker again if she wants. We lay out our ideas, the Democrats can pass them if they want.

The Democrats will have another two year shot, with even more freedom to enact socialism. Let’s see if it’s John Boehner or Harry Reid who’s crying at the end of it all.

Here’s an experiment, like one of those puzzles in crossword puzzle books.

We know that most of the conservative base has been:
Married White Christian Heterosexuals

Now: Try changing one or more of those words:

Married => Single
White => Hispanic
Christian => Atheist (atheists now make up 10% of the population)
Heterosexual => Gay

Can conservatism still appeal to those different groups?

Can conservatism appeal to single Christians? How about single non-Christians?

Can conservatism appeal to Married HISPANIC Christian Heterosexuals?

Can conservatism appeal to married gays?

Etc.

Because conservatism MUST expand beyond its current base. Changing demographics mean that as a percentage of the electorate, Married White Christian Heterosexuals are getting smaller and smaller. That’s a prescription for extinction.

Ayn Rand is looking a lot more prophetic by the day, even if I disdain her philosophy.

It is a no win situation. This is the first time in history we have seen a downward trend in the growth of US labor force like this since the 1950, we lost about 8 million jobs in this in the past 4 years. With unemployment averaging around 9% and higher for the past four years, 21% not in the work force, over 46,700,000 on food stamps, 4,300,000 on welfare, 5,600,000 on unemployment insurance, median household’s net worth dropped 28% in less then four years, energy costs more then doubled in the past four years and so on. It will only get worse and the next president if republican will be blamed for the mess they inherited by the media. It is now a no win situation, the liberals have poised the presidency and will blame the GOP with the help of the news media if the GOP takes back the presidency. The established GOP committed suicide.

Well, the Federal Marriage Amendment ought to be dropped first.

How do you want us to appeal to Hispanics when they freaking believe that Obama is better for the economy than Romney?

Not really.

“the chief business of the American people is business”

The difference is, cronies or entrepreneurs?

You apparently don’t understand what the word Demographics means. It’s not about short-term political preference. Those Irish Catholics went to Notre Dame, Fordham, and Georgetown. Built companies and worked on Wall Street. That’s how they became the “Oppressor Class.” But they also laid brick, welded, and did finish carpentry. Who’s going to be the skilled labor of tomorrow? At a time when society is demanding lavish benefits we have an upcoming working population lacking in the kind of skills that will fund those benefits. The weekly social security contribution of a guy cutting lawns or working in a restaurant kitchen is not equal to a guy making steel, or working for Caterpillar or Boeing.

You get our Latino politicians to go on Telemundo regularly to TALK about it. We have several very talented ones now. Let’s use them. Let’s reach out. We – often literally – do not speak their language. Let’s change that.

I think most of our effort needs to go into battling Obamacare. It still represents the end of freedom and the doorway to more oppressive mandates. I wonder what would have happened if instead of all the political ads we would have sent everyone an actual copy of the Affordable Care Act? I wonder if either Romney or B.O. read it. Also, during the debates I don’t think anyone really demonstrated either visually or conceptually what a trillion dollars looks like or represents— much less 16 trillion and beyond. The old “a picture is worth a thousand words” saying still holds true. Besides getting in shape and trying to stay healthy, what can we do to battle Obamacare?

Blah Blah Blah You trash Romney, you blame conversatives, you blame the American people – Erick I’m tired of you for awhile.

‘No immigrant comes to the United States wanting to be on welfare. They come for a better life of hard work and success.’ But, our welfare is a better living than in most countries.

We need to work on our ‘big tent.’ We need to make more immigrants feel welcome in our party. At one point we did that, but we have lost something and now we are alienating the immigrant. We are making them feel that there is no reason for them to vote Republican. We need to address our issues with the black voter. At a recent gathering in my area, I could count on the thumb of one hand the number of blacks. The number of Hispanics wasn’t that large. We have become the party of the white person. And the white person is quickly becoming the minority.

We need to be appeal to people of all ethnicities. We need to appeal to both sexes. We need to appeal to everyone – regardless of race, color, national origin, age, disability, sex, marital status, religion, sexual orientation, or whether or not an individual’s income is derived from any public assistance program. In short, we need to broaden our appeal. Standing pat on abortion is the quick way to oblivion. That should not be our total focus and far too much of the time, that is the single focus.

Frankly, our party should not care who you marry. Traditional marriages will continue with or without our taking a stand on it.

I could go on. But basically, the fact is that the Republican Party has become a tired old party instead of a grand old party.

Eric,
I would respectfully point out that what this election demonstrates is that the Reagan coalition which has more or less been able to put together a governing national majority since 1980 (but barely at any time) is becoming less and less viable.
The combination of Republican party faithful, evangelicals and conservative democrats is no longer getting the job done.
But coalitions are living things. They change. The environment they exist in changes.
This has happened to our coalition and it is time to confront it directly and soberly. No big fantasies of millions of voters secreted away waiting to hear the right combination of words.

We are losing and it will only get worse as the Republican coalition paints itself into the corners of gay marriage, reproductive rights, and immigration. Apparently pot legalization is likely as well to be part of where we are out of touch.

I am sorry but demographics is in many ways destiny and we are no longer going to put together winning coalitions nationals and eventually down ballot if we do not change with the times.

The pummeling in the Senate is a wake up call on women’s issues.
Gay marriage keeps the gay community- and those who have gays in their families, or friendship or work circles at the least more open to democrat bs.
On reproductive issues, we can tell ourselves that we are on the right side, but what are we on the right side of? We are not going to stop abortion. Period. It is over. If a Republican even frames the issue in way considered insensitive to abortion, they will lose. We have the lost seats to show for it. The Catholics compromised with Obama, supporting Obama on his apparently worthless promise that there would be conscience exemptions. He reneged on his promise and no one, not even the Catholics, have been able to get anyone to care in any substantive way. I know for a fact that many sincere active Catholics had no problem voting for Obama

However, it is Immigration lost us the national election. If we do not get right on this issue it will get much worse. We will see the losses extend down ballot. If Romney had gotten even the few votes McCain had gotten in 2008, we would still be hoarse from celebrating the tossing out of Obama.
The harshness we took on immigration cost us the votes of former voters. WE chased them off. As big a supporter of talk radio as I am, and I am one, we need to back down on the inflammatory fantasies about immigration and self-deporting. As self serving as Obama’s fiat dream act was from the political point of view, it was humane and apparently brilliant. There is a message in there that democrats got that we did not. We in grass roots kept the issue so inflamed that Bush’s efforts to make a grand compromise failed by our efforts. Everyone involved with Hispanic and Latino immigrants knows someone or of someone who is in fact here illegally, and knows that at least that person is not a gang banger criminal. There is a lesson in this someplace. I hope we learn it. The Hispanic demographic reality is not going to make elections easier in the future.

This election left egg on face of a lot of very experienced smart people who bet on the viability of the Reagan coalition as it has existed. The old numbers and models failed for a reason. In engineering when models fail in the face reality, you adjust the models and then adjust what you are building. In science (except it would seem climate science) the same. I would suggest that that old coalition has lost its edge.

Politics is the art of the possible. If the goal is to have an ideologically pure platform and not worry about votes, then change nothing. If the goal is to win elections and move the country towards a positive vision, then we had better figure out what is possible in current reality and be willing to compromise accordingly. All is not lost, we have an increasingly effective ground game, but we need the votes to work for. It is time to look at what is and figure out what we can do. Not to do what I despise Obama for doing: blaming everyone else.

Respectfully,
hunter

It is with a cheerful heart that this progressive offers some advice to my conservative friends. Real advice, not trolling BS.
1. Adopt this mantra: “The problem is not Big Government, the problem is Bad Government”. Then describe the top 3-5 ways in which the government is bad and how you will fix it. This should be easy (this is a LOT of bad government out there) and it supports the general theme of becoming the party of Solutions, a huge opportunity for either party.
2. Get to know the poor and working people you want to vote for you. Very few want handouts, but the majority also don’t see themselves an entrepreneurs. Most of these folks want to work hard… for someone else. A tax cut is less important than a good school, affordable health care and a decent retirement. Show how conservative ideas will provide these.
3. Chill out. I know both parties are very negative (Obama negative ads 85%, Romney 80%), but, for now at least, white males are the most powerful group in our society. Powerful people need to be extra magnanimous in their tone. Still fight 100% for your values, but rally your troops with solutions not anger. This one is hard because “sunny” doesn’t sell on talk radio, but it is important.
Thanks for listening. This country needs (at least) two strong parties.

Nonsense again. I know a whole lot of Latino immigrants and they are the hardest working people I know. It is offensive to stereotype them as cutting lawns. They are working their way up the skills ladder, doing carpentry, drywall, plumbing, then on to opening restaurants, gas stations, working in banks, becoming managers, and on and on and on. This is the way every immigrant groups has succeeded and Latinos are no different.

Around here every dry cleaner is Korean and every hair salon is Vietnamese. Maybe you think Koreans and Vietnamese are “destined” for that kind of work.

Right, like I said — Republican (crony) or Conservative (entrepreneur).

Not really. There’re still Conservative Republicans. The distinction isn’t that clear.

And some liberal Republicans can hardly be said to be pro-any business.

Erik, what you propose needed to be done four years ago, before Caesar Obama and his minions had the power to destroy the constitution, and now deliver us into the hands of international organizations; but I will play along as if it mattered.

From my perspective, Erik’s remarks are the difference between being a
conservative and being a libertarian. A conservative recognizes that
there is a need for a limited federal government, but not just to the
point of making war and treaties with foreign governments and the
coinage of money.

Along with all the issues Erik mentioned
above that need attention, I would like to expand on those. The power
of the federal government must be used to curb the avaricious appetite
of Wall Street to have a truly free enterprise system. Only the federal
government has the power to protect the little guy from the big roller
predators. Only the federal government can balance varying interests,
so that yes, even Americans are protected from their worse instincts.
Examples: No more too big to fail. The banking law passed by Congress
during the first two years, Sarbane-Oxley, which Republicans whine about
as being too restrictive actually adds an additional eight financial
institutions like the Chicago Commodities Exchange for future bail-outs
and exemption from the penalties that were placed in the law. Get
banks back to their traditional role that doesn’t allow them to sell a
product and service lines outside of their once traditional banking
roles. End the bundling and sell-off of mortgages and require that the
selling of a single mortgage to another financial institution would
require notification to the mortgage owner. End balloon mortgages, and
tighten the requirements for lending. Republicans were great some years
back to further restricting personal bankruptcy policies. While at the
same time the GOP opposed consumer protection by reigning in credit
card debt and the number of credit cards banks were more than willing to
stuff down the throats of the American public. Is it no wonder that
the GOP is simply seen by most Americans as the public be damned, we,
the GOP are here to protect the big money interests? If the GOP
doesn’t find some balance in protecting the middle class with the
interests of corporations in particular, it will doom itself to the
marxist outcome of the current administration that will be far worse
than anything corporate responsibility will produce. The GOP must get
out from under the mantle of corporativism.

Think outside the
box, and develop a new economic paradigm that produces wealth in ways
that are no longer based simply on consumption. The world’s technology
produces too much for the population to consume, and often with
conspicuous and junk products that consume vital natural resources.
Think outside the box, and develop a new paradigm that recognizes that
Developed Countries have used technology to eliminate so many jobs that
will never return, that the technology of the next ten years must
greatly reduce the cost of housing, utilities, etc; so that people can
live a comfortable life-style while working fewer hours, so everyone can
have a job. Speaking of education, the future will require how to
teach people to use leisure time wisely to benefit family and their own
personal growth, so that society does not continue its descent into the
abyss of decadency and debauchery. Education must be more than just
teaching people skills simply to get a job, which is all the public
schools hammer home to students today. Yes, government does belong in
the bedroom, when it involves protection of human life.

The myth
that if one works hard and applies themselves they can be whatever they
want to be is just that a myth. It can be a useful myth to encourage
people toward personal responsibility and self-sufficiency, but not
everyone has the same abilities and opportunities as everyone else.
While the middle-class is declining in their personal incomes, you can
not expect them to support the above principle, when so many at the top
have made huge fortunes not producing anything but tremendous wealth for
themselves from the gambling casino mentality of high risk rollers, and
then add their failures to the national debt. While at the same time,
CEO’s make millions running companies into the ground; destroying
communities, by closing companies that were profitable, but not
profitable enough; and getting millions of dollars in golden parachutes,
while companies suffered huge losses. The stock market needs to be
recalibrated so that short term profits are no longer the reward, while
long term investment needs to be encouraged. The corruption of
flipping houses overnight for unearned speculative profits, the taking
advantage of easy credit and house mortgages that people should not have
been entitled to, and the destruction of what little assets people have
with reverse mortgages; are just further examples of the corruption of
the masses with the attitude that it’s all right to take advantage, it’s
legal.

The list is endless of what Wall Street, Hollywood, the
Music Industry, and Madison Avenue have done to destroy the moral fiber
of the majority of the American people. Unfortunately, the lesson of
history is that affluence begets decadency. We have three generations
now beginning with the Baby Boomers, who have been very receptive to
being psychologically conditioned to anything that supports
victimization, irresponsible behavior without consequences, and rampant
hedonism. Take care of those who truly need it, but how are Republicans
going to address the moral collapse of our society, particularly the
large proportion of minorities and the largest numbers and increasing
proportion of the White population who are having children out of
wedlock with the expectation that government will support them? This is
the number one reason why so many single mothers support the democrats,
not reproductive rights which is a narcissistic plaything of the
professional left-wing women class and their cohorts among the country
club Republican women. The problem is further compounded by the fact
that in some states, mothers encourage their teen-age daughters to have
babies, so the mothers can become their grandchild’s foster parent and
clean up nicely from the government for a comfortable life-style for
each grandchild at tax-payers expense. Everybody is at the public
trough from the corporations to the politicians, to the everyday
Americans.

What will the GOP do to eliminate or at least drastically reduce lobbyists? What will the
the
GOP do to support an amendment to the constitution that eliminates all
campaign and financial contributions by corporations, non-profit
foundations, and the labor unions? Already the 2016 campaign has begun
as Republicans and Democrats alike are jockeying for positions for the
next election, and people speculate over who should be the most potent
candidate for the next Presidential election. The campaign cycle needs
to be rethought and dramatically shortened. This is the 21st Century,
we do not need to have candidates barn-storming all over the country in
this modern age of electronic communications. The fact that U.S.
Senators can be away from their duties for months on end campaigning,
goes to show what little they do in policy-making. While these senators
trust their staffs to carry the ball, and the lobbyist tell them how to
vote.

Of course, little of any of what is proposed above will
happen, because politics has rarely been about the public good. It has
always been about self-aggrandizement, and cronyism, and politicians
prostituting themselves to the highest bidders. No one leaves Congress
without being better off financially than when they came into
Congress–witness Marie Antoinette Pelosi or Dennis Hastert.
Politicians like Al Gore have shown, they can really clean-up once they
leave office. The major problem facing the American public is “It is
not the economy, stupid.” The real problem facing Americans is the
moral breakdown of society. Deal with the moral break down and the
economy will then take care of itself for the greater good of the many.
Instead, we have taught or best and brightest that an Ivy League
education will provide them with the skills and knowledge to develop the
algorithms to create further schemes to separate the common man from
his money and financial security without any risk to the creators of
these schemes. Don’t expect human nature to change, and don’t expect
the middle class to believe the b.s. handed out by the GOP about how we
can all be whatever we want to be if we just work hard enough. Much of
life’s success is who you know. How you use other people’s money in
speculative ventures where they are left to hold the bag when it fails,
etc. etc. etc.

I admire you Erik. Your heart seems to be in
the right place, but the problem is much greater than just messaging,
and the “powers that be” will go down fighting before they will choose
to do the “right thing”.

Erick is not the only person on this blog.

I don’t like to stereotype but I don’t understand the GOP’s failure to appeal to hispanics. I do some business in Mexico and through that know a number of Mexicans I also know some South Americans and the folks of hispanic descent that I know are family-oriented and very hard-working.
Many are very religious and faithfully go to church. As far as I know these folks take a dim view of homosexuality.

Maybe the GOP has failed to embrace the ideal of the US being the land of opportunity for foreigners or maybe the GOP has been successfully demonized by liberals but it seems to me that there should be a good match between the conservative values of the GOP and the hispanic community.

Great job EE and more later from GC.

Agree 100% Erick.

I’m tired of you, after only one comment.

That’s right. Blame the social issues. Why do so many run to that argument? It is false and will keep us spinning in circles. Look, the reason we lost is quite simple. Antiquated GOTV techniques, poor outreach to minorities, and running a moderate platform. Note: Romney did not run on social issues. So can we kill that false meme?

Erick has a positive spin, but I think a lot of us fear the permanent majority that the Democrats may be close to forming. In Europe left-wing ideology won a long time ago, so much so that even a ‘conservative’ party is basically just left-wing to a lesser degree. The demographics here could prove the same for a long time. Not forever but for decades? so a bunch of white people stayed home.

Reading Jay Cost this morning makes me feel like maybe if we had had a better candidate this time around, someone like a Scott Walker type or Rubio type that we could have pulled it off /this/ time. But what ab 4 years from now? The demographics will be even worse. The Democrats now have a winning formula for how to get people out even with no 2nd term agenda and no real track record to speak of.

Who knows what will happen in 2016 – we don’t know who the candidates will be, what the state of the economy will be and so on. And IF the economy is bad we don’t even know for sure that conservatives won’t get blamed for it. We are likely going to have a stalemate to some degree legislatively for 4 years bc of the House which sets up as an easy scape goat for Democrats. So it does feel kinda hopeless right now. I hope the conclusion we reach this time around isn’t just that Romney wasn’t the right choice or a good campaigner, both of which might be true to a degree. We actually need to reach young people and minorities, particularly hispanics. And also women. The Republican reputation with women is absolutely terrible right now. We can’t be the party of suburban white males, it just isn’t going to work. There is so much I think that needs to be changed, I am eagerly awaiting some ideas.

So we can be tired of Erick today and yet have things to share and learn with others. Not you for today, of course. Maybe Erick has something nice tomorrow. Or something interesting pops up which we can all discuss.

we need some plain looks in a good mirror without use of flattering light.

We lost to a loser President who has shoved through unpopular polices and has acted irresponsibly on major issues. we are the ones who failed to frame this effectively. The rejection of criticism and hints of an echo chamber mentality do not bode well for the future.

And I don’t know what your standard of common sense is, but it is not mine. Limited governments, job creation, and praise for a decent man.

“The people have spoken. They must be punished”
- Ed Koch (D-NYC)

But we have tried to sell Hispanics on conservatism, but all they care about is continuing the flow of illegal immigrants. That is their number one priority. Their voting shows that they don’t care about anything else, no matter what their words say.

If we capitulate on amnesty, then their is no stopping them. They will never give the GOP credit and the vast majority are now hooked on liberalism.

Maybe you need to hone your troll skills. The comment was meant to be nothing more than a degrading swipe at Erick — nothing to learn there that I can see.

Your “advice” on 2 just shows how stupid and biased your are. You really think that we don’t know any of the poor or “working” people? You don’t think that we aren’t “working” people ourselves? You don’t think that tons of us don’t go and help in soup kitchens, habitat for humanity, etc? It is just the same old liberal cliches which are absolute garbage.

And white males are not the most powerful group in our society. White males are a minority of college graduates, a minority of new professionals, and a minority of the voters.

I didn’t write the original comment, just to clarify.

But, yes, perhaps Erick did deserve that degrading swipe. For today.

How so? Seriously.

It is disruptive to any culture to have a radical disruption and influx of people who impose their culture upon that of the people livig here. The bigh language shift and drain on rexources are two ways illegal and even legals strain a communitry. There is a feelin gof being overwhelmed when all of a sudden walk down the street and no one knws a word of English.
US does not control who becomes the future stock with amnesty yet we grant it to one demographic group as we pander and chase votes. Ordinarliy we do have a say with legal immigrants. With Hispanics mostly Mexicans they come first and bring families so there is a two tier system of immigration. The illegals are rendering Mexcians the largest demographic group in US. They break our laws and we point the finger of blame at Americans for being mean or unwelcoming? The self loathing I read in this thread is misplaced.
And we are supposed to say welcome , bring it on?
Might I propose an alterantive for a thought–universal application of the law is necessary in a republic. Dr Benjamin Rush said that in days the nation was founded. That core principle once taken for granted ‘universal application of the law’ is not so relevant anymore is it in an era of aiming to be Democrat lite more than republicans, small r, is it.

AFAIK, Romney never helped out in a soup kitchen or Habitat for Humanity.

Romney gave a lot of money to charity. But he first had to earn that money in order to give some of it away. And he earned it as a venture capitalist.

“Venture capitalist” isn’t a profession that Americans really understand, much less admire.

“No immigrant comes to the United States wanting to be on welfare.
They come for a better life of hard work and success. What conservatives
forget is that people forget.”

You ARE W R O G ! ! ! with a capital ILLEGAL ALIEN!
America and it’s borders have been crossed by (M)ILLIONS to (specifically) gain access to all the FREE liberal progressive democrat machine programs! Those same (M)ILLIONS are occupying places designed for We the People.

MY PROOF???

Observe the inability of anybody, politician or law enforcer, to articulate and operate a program and policy to remove illegal aliens from within our midst. Sheriff Joe Arpaio is perhaps the ONLY man with enough principle to do so and HE is stopped by federal authority from being effective.
The majority of Immigrants are coming here for the freebies, pure and simple.

But we did not do much of that in the argument, nor did we do it well.

America changed two days ago. It actually happened before then, but conservatives who aren’t good enough to post their thoughts at RedState couldn’t get the message to you. That’s why you were surprised at the results of the election, and we were not. Did you know that history tells of many great societies that no longer exist? There were revolutions and tough choices and bad times and – gasp! – even political models that had to be challenged, and sometimes it took some time and effort and even some new ideas every now and then. In what direction has the country drifted since the 1960′s? And did you laugh at the people who told you, “When your country’s gone, you won’t even know it?” Because even in all its sadness, I find humor in your kind today. Obama’s ground game is THEIR ground game now, and it isn’t going away. It’s over. You have no idea how tough some of the choices you’re going to have to make will be.

His advisers said no to everything. Including Paul Ryan.

On the other hand, no one can fault him for lack of effort.

I can not remember the ful quote but the last few line stay with me always. From Mr Patrick Henry of Virginia upon debating the actions and prinicpies for liberty. Should there be a new nation designed upon self government?
“I know not what course others may take but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
Thank you, Mr Henry , beloved father founder for that clarity of position.
Henry was not one to cave in anticipation of a victory for the King and his majority supporters of loyalists. No nuances or pragmatism about changing demographics. He was part of a small minority who knew he was right and who wanted the chance to build a new nation on GOD given fundamental principles.
Marriage is a state issue where it is regulated through marriage licenses that have set crieria who is eligible to marry. No Close blood relatives, age of consent, married to no other and opposite sex are the criteria for a license in most states. IMO it will be around awhile.

to conservativepatriot: our conservative philosophy got 49% of the popular vote. Take out the 3% of liberal progressive democrat machine vote fraud and cheating, remove the illegal aliens and reassess your position.

There are LOTS of us conservatives that live here and we don’t have to convert many “others” to regain control. There are many ways to do that. We just have to make up our minds that “white guilt over slavery” has been atoned.

It is time to fight back against racism . . . . BLACK RACISM . . . .Latino RACISM . . . American Indian Racism . . . . and all the other minority forms of RACISM.
White conservatives are NOT the exclusive proponents of RACISM. We should no longer make RACISM a reason to pass legislation to appease the minority class.
NONE of it has worked to attain a RACE BLIND society. In fact it has had the opposite effect.

They are not close to forming the permanent majority. The have formed it. Logon to Facebook and page through your Newsfeed, not at the posts before the election, but after. Look who now reveals they were proud to vote for Obama. The sweet single mom at your local Baptist church who thought Obama deserved a second chance. The Catholic Latino couple who disagrees with Obama on just about everything but just couldn’t bring themselves to trust Romney. The proud Jewish immigrant who posts in Hebrew, gives daily updates from Israel, and her latest status update is a message from Netanyahu congratulating Obama on his victory. We’ve lost the country because we lost the culture, the message, the media, the borders, the language – everything – we lost America – we gave it away – without a fight – and now we look around, as if something tragic happened overnight, and wonder what happened.

Good point but election 2012 has pundits like Coulter and we at RS as posters using language and thinking of the Democrats and multiculturalists. This demographic language does not do justice to universal princpiles and equality under the law.

If all you wanted to do was win an election you’d do fine.
The “conservatives” I know want to “save our nation”.
We want more than political power, we want recognition that our Liberty and Freedom are inspired by a document written by (immigrants) 200 years ago and that very document is quickly becoming irrelevant along with our Liberty and Freedom.

TELEMUNDO???
You mean continue and support separation of RACES???
Somewhere that melting pot of America has been thrown out of the kitchen of America.
Divided we fall . . . . whether it be by states rights or ethnicity.

Fundamentally, the majority of the people in this country don’t believe in the precepts you’ve written about. Some examples:

No one who’s ever been ill on an individual health insurance policy believes that an unregulated health insurance market serves its customers, or ever will: the imbalance of power between the insurer and the customer is too vast. Here in PA, if you get sick on an individual policy, the insurer can raise your rates arbitrarily, effectively making the insurance irrelevant.

The majority of people in this country have a “middle of the road” attitude towards abortion: it should be legal in many cases, but illegal past 4-5 months, unless its required to save the health of the mother.

Most people really don’t care about the deficit. Dick Cheney didn’t care about the deficit. And realistically, the markets today don’t care about the deficit, otherwise the Federal government wouldn’t be able to sell 10 year bonds at less than 2% interest.

Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush weren’t conservative in the sense you’re writing about, and the government didn’t shrink or reduce its responsibilities while they were President. George W. Bush probably came the closest, although he hardly shrank government, and he hardly was popular, especially by the end of his second term.

As long as Democrats stay in their current center-right position, the Republican party will continue to shrink. And those true conservatives who made the mistake of saying what they believe, including Romney, Akin and Mourdock, were defeated for doing so. That’s why there’s a Democratic White House and Senate.

The only reason Republicans held onto the House is the large number of gerrymandered districts in states where both state houses and governorships are Republican, like Pennsylvania. Over time, this advantage will disappear as well.

I would say maybe they should learn English but that is asking too much under multiiculturalism for conservatism. It is not easy to learn Spanish for most English speakers but that is what we have for a future, isn;t it?
A loss of English as the Language of the US is big. I make no apologies but that thought of my beloved Englsh falling by the wayside throws me into deep mourning.

This is my first time on RedState (I’ve been reading this blog as a conservative Republican for a long time). Hopefully any advice to get settled into Red State would be greatly appreciated.

Erickson said: No immigrant comes to the United States wanting to be on welfare.
They come for a better life of hard work and success. What
conservatives forget is that people forget.

He’s absolutely right. And that goes double for minorities. A lot of minorities don’t want to be on welfare and they don’t want a hand out. Like everyone else, they want to be part of the success of capitalism, raise kids, have a family, and work hard to achieve the American dream.

Romney never reached out to these specific minorities as well as Obama did. But I’d be willing to wager if they voted for Obama, they were among his least enthusiastic supporter in a sea of unenthusiastic supporters. I believe if a specific pitch and outreach (done through a grassroots organization starting in 2013; please, stop with thinking that outreach is done only in election years) is made to these groups, the Republicans will pick off these people. And that could translate a 50-48% win for Obama to a 53-45% win for the Republican nominee in 2016.

Just my two cents there …

Erick, as much as I want to believe what you are saying, the elections & people on the street say differently. Francis Schaeffer, back in the ’80′s predicted this and we’ve been moving towards it for many decades now. We no longer accept realism, reason or truth. We’ve thrown out any basis for Truth so all is moving towards the absurd. Whatever one wishes to “believe” is “truth” – fro them – even without any basis or factual roots. “We” just elected a President for a SECOND TERM that lives a lie for even the facts of his life – no birth records, a CONN SSN, no school records, a “created” manhood – whom we KNEW what he’s done the last 4 years. “We” elected a Congresswoman who claims to be “Indian” & others that based their whole candidacies on 1/2 truths, outright lies & twisting words – “it” comes to mind.
So, until we are successful in successfully building Worldviews/mindsets based on Truth again, until we are able to throw Santa Claus’s bag off the train, it’s not going to make much difference.
I’m NOT saying that we don’t try – that’s the whole purpose & reason for LIFE is to guide & help others open their eyes to Truth – but what a battle we’re going to have!

I was not surprised and knew the incumbent had an advantage and he won 50% and GOP held House. We picked up state Houses. Obama won by entitlements, Santa Claus as Rush says or givng away stuff as OReilly calls it.
I was deeply depressed for sure before the vote as I saw the signs obama would win in my state, but relieved the loss was not greater like his margin of win 2008 with both chambers of Congress. I know its all going downhill but there may be hope in 2014 and 16 for conservatives.

In all honesty, we’re not going to turn into Greece. Look at Wikipedia’s articles on central banking to understand the difference. The US doesn’t depend on an external central bank to print its money; Greece does. The US can always absorb more Federal debt, and apparently the current debt hasn’t strained any part of the economic system.

What can happen to the US is inflation, but when the US can borrow at < 2% for *10 years*, inflation simply isn't a worry to the bond markets. So, if you're waiting for a Greek-like crisis to hit here, you'll be waiting a *long* time.

Didn't Dick Cheney say that deficits don't matter? I don't agree with him on much, but I think he nailed that one.

Interesting point re: disruption! And yet in our birth and throughout the 19th century, robust immigration was seen as a source of innovation, “new blood”, new ideas, and lets be honest – cheap labor. Look at many of the “great inventors” of the 1800s and you will find a 2nd or 3rd (or even 1st!) generation immigrant.

I suppose we are now beyond the need for this kind of influx of new ideas?

It reminds me of an Onion headline a few years ago “Second generation Mexican immigrant complains about illegals taking jobs”. LOL.

Considering the hit my family’s income, not to mention our retirement nest egg has taken over the last 4 years, your #2 is way off base. I can’t afford higher taxes. The “good” schools of liberal indoctrination are at least partially why we’re in this mess, and come January, the country is about to find out that “affordable health care” is the biggest fraud to come out of Congress since Social “Security.” Considering that, it’s gonna take a lot more than a chill pill to get me to calm down. Keep your two cents of advice. That’s all it’s worth.

I don’t know. That’s the major theme pushed by Fox post-election. Hammered on by host after host. But I don’t know what to think any more. It’s clear to me that Fox and Rasmussen lied to us, day after day, week after week in the runup to the election. The Democrats I know are hardworking, Christian people. I guess I’m just more skeptical of what I’m listening to now.

I don’t think there is a problem with our conservative message. Sad as it is, I think Romney’s religion hurt him. And as unpopular as this may be on here, I think some of the more flamboyant conservatives have been saying crazy things that allow the Left to paint us all as crazy (Bachmann, West, Akin, etc) These are good people that can’t stop themselves from saying crazy things from time to time. I think the movement needs to be tweaked, not overhauled.

YES! i agree with this. While I’m obviously not for amnesty, ( or “pandering” to anyone ) WE NEED TO FIND A WAY to be relevant to Latino communities.

Erick raises a great point: This should be based in finding SIMILARITIES between our communities and “theirs”. Jack Ryan , apparently wanted to give speeches in the inner city about opportunities and personal responsibility, but was reined in by the Romney camp. IMHO Congressman Ryan had the right idea!

http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/2012/11/time-to-get-plumb-mad-dog-meanthats.html Time to get plumb mad dog mean.

You are the problem, not the solution.

I dont think so. I believe it more to be the case of their preceved negative message bolstered by Obama’s main stream media. Hispanics by their own actions and way of life, based on discussions with my Hispanic friends, are natural conservatives.

Amen x 100, Erick! There is, and has always been, only 1 way to successfully reverse the long-term century-long downward trend toward socialism: Educate the public on the dangers of big government and the benefits–for all Americans–of less government. If we only fight this battle only in the political arena, we will sometimes win elections, but we will never reverse the downward trend.

After the disastrous 1974 elections when we lost 25% of the conservatives in the House, I pushed a national organization, where I worked for a couple of years, to produce a quarterly publication called the “TRIM Bulletin” (Tax Reform IMmediately) which not only exposed voting records of House members, but elaborated on conservative principles so the public would understand the underlying principles. Millions were distributed in Congressional districts over the next several years and it definitely had some positive effect.

Knowing how critical it is to educate the public to create the foundation for long-term success, I have been pondering for a few years how we can accomplish this goal. I have not yet concluded what is best method to achieve this, but the one idea that I thought of is to create a website with a concept like “American Constitutional Education” where a person could learn the fundamentals step by step. I know Hillsdale College has something like this but I’ve been too busy in our business to explore this.

I do know this: In the 1960′s I was involved with a small group of conservatives in our community who put together a series of educational classes for people to learn of our conservative principles in a more in-depth way. What was the result? I saw people who went through this become conservative activists for the rest of their lives. I saw that a nucleus was created which became a beacon of light to all who came in contact with any of these newly educated conservatives and who were now highly motivated spread the good message.
If an effective educational product were produced, I believe many conservative organizations would help promote it. Let’s all think of ideas on how this could be achieved.

Believe it or not many on the left would like to do the same , and create a leftest party .

Wait , some did , its called the green party . And their a party for you , I’m thinking the Libertarian party

http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/2012/11/are-hispanics-natural-conservatives.html This is some disturbing data. While I absolutely agree the GOP needs to reach out to Hispanics, this data (if true) shows a fundamental shift (which is not limited to Hispanics). It is a class, and arguably a racial, shift that is going to send us off in a very bad direction.

My new attitude toward the federal government is: “let it burn.”

We conservatives have tried for decades to persuade people that conservatism works.  We’ve appealed to logic, history, reason, and common sense.  Sadly, we conceded the battle for the culture, and politics is downstream from culture.

The “Long March Through The Institutions” of the cultural Marxists crossed the finish line on Tuesday.  They have a stranglehold on the news media, on Hollywood, on the education system, and on the federal government.  The republic is mortally wounded, and it won’t be reborn until society implodes first.  The electorate prefers “free stuff” over freedom.  So be it.

The drones who put these petty tyrants in power refuse to see the inevitable consequences, but they will experience them in all their gore and violence.  It saddens me, but it’s inevitable.

I’m searching for a nice rural plot of land with fertile fields, healthy woods, and fresh water.  When the idiots who crowd the cities finally turn on each other and on their Democrat masters, my family & I will be not be caught in the crossfire.

Screw ‘em.  Let it burn.

Sorry, but you’re wrong on this one. It isn’t just a matter of central banking issues. It’s also a matter of shifting the bulk of employment in the US from the private sector into the public sector. And if you think that isn’t one of the goals of the Obama admin, then you need to look closely at the policies he’s been hinting will take place during his second term.

One of the reasons America has been so successful economically is that our nation has been willing to derive economic growth from a dynamic source, i.e. private sector activity, rather than relying on a static source, i.e. public sector activity.

The biggest problem with relying too heavily on static economic sources is that it diminishes the potential of revenues that can be gained from outside their own system. You can check both domestic and international trade trends of Greece to see how this works.

I don’t know where renl57 is getting his info on a lot of things. You are correct. But Romney also didn’t do a very good job of articulating what he’s done, either.

“Right now, conservatives are bitterly disappointed. Some choose to
check out mentally. Some have decided to throw in the towel. A few
blame the American people. Many think the gig is up, the show is over,
and destiny is undone.”

What I think today, Who is John Gult? Let them wallow in their handy work. I am sorry I am not in the mood to be pep talked and the likes. I am a realist and the facts are the HOUSE is not going to hold any line, they are not going to obstruct one bit they will roll over like lap dogs and we will take it in the teeth. Many people will be unemployed here shortly and the problems will accelerate and you know who is going to be blamed, YUP the Republican House will be and these idiots will preach it everyday. This election was VERY nasty unlike any other I have seen and frankly I am not going to turn the other cheek anymore. I am not advocating violence, but I am NOT willing to help or do anything for any Obama voter. Sorry I am bitter now and the Democrats did it with their nasty campaign. I am not throwing in the towel, rolling over or checking out. I am truly scared if I can survive the next 4 years unscathed and the fact I have to subsidize these misguided, ill informed, hateful people really just makes it even MORE of a bidder pill to swallow.

You have to have a mass move from GOP to the new party and hope a flood is created that keeps moving. Is there an issue like slavery and Dredd Scott driving the new party push today as there was 1854? They would fight a war that tore this new nation apart and lost 600,000 men.
The Republican party was founded in principles of liberty and the opportunity to be what you wanted.
In the contetx of that looming war and abolishing slavery the Republicans won some elections. WInning elections is critical. Barr never won so faded has he not as a Libertarian force?

That is what we thought about the internet bubble and the housing bubble. The national debt is a ticking time bomb. WHEN it collapses it will hit hard.

Jack Kemp RIP one of my favorite Republicans was for small businesses and lower taxes. He worked with anyone who wanted to build a small business and spent most his time in minority communities. He was a mentor to Paul Ryan ,who shares may ideas of innovation through small business, is a free market man by example. He put forward small business growth as Romney has in campaign..

Nailed it, lineholder. We made some purchases last night and are formulating our survival plan to take care of our family. I think part of the disconnect here is that those of us in the older generation see more clearly what has been lost over the years and the freedom that was tossed aside on Nov. 6 in exchange for a handful of goodies. Our culture is completely different. I know a lot of folks who are tired of fighting to save a country that half the country doesn’t want and a good number of those who do aren’t willing to help with the heavy lifting. Right now, at least for the foreseeable future, I’m putting my family first. (By the way, check your emails.)

“No immigrant comes to the United States wanting to be on welfare.” Really? As a Hispanic immigrant I can tell you this happens all the time. If you are a single mother in Juarez, why wouldn’t you prefer to live in Oakland at government expense? Everybody should read Sean Trende’s piece “The Case of the Missing White Voters” on RealClearPolitics.com. The 6 million white voters who voted in 2008 and did not vote in 2012 swamp by multiples the rise in Hispanic voters from 2008 to 2012. Had Romney not been seen by rural whites as a rich, lying Mormon boss from Massachusetts picked by the establishment, he could have swamped by several multiples the increase in Hispanic voters. Obama got 10 million FEWER votes than in 2008 and we still lost because we did not run a populist who can connect with the people.