Correct.

But voters aren’t interested in the Constitution. I remember exit polls actually showing people in favor of Obamacare. Forward.

It’s something how we fall for that crap every time. “Well, we’ll REALLY fight if X happens….” “oooh, they’ll really own it then!” ummmm not.

If Boehner won’t work to jettison Obamacare then we should work to jettison Boehner.

How?

2014 here we come!

Obamacare has so much more in it then healthcare and they have so many taxes in it…that Fitch is not the only company that will downgrade us. I guess people were not paying attention to what was really in the bill.

Oh…SHOUT OUT to Chief Justice Roberts…did you work for Putin at one time?

I have been writing and will continue to write about federalism and my belief that only federalism will defeat the Leftists. We have solid conservative strength in the Red states and therefore have far more influence there than at the federal level. If we can get our states to reclaim their 10th Amendment rights we CAN defeat Obamacare.

The Founders gave us horizontally and vertically divided government for a reason but we’ve pretty much abandoned our vertical division and agreed that the states are subservient to the federal government, that the South therefore is subservient to the Left coast and NE. No!

Below is a letter I mailed to ALL GOP governors yesterday via snail mail. I plan to write the RGA and to try and enlist as many TEA Party groups as possible to the federalism cause. I hope we can start discussing this strategy seriously here at RS. I’ve been writing about it for some time in my diary.

Dear Governor,

I am writing as a deeply patriotic American, a veteran, a husband, a father, and someone who loves this country too much to give up on it.
I, like many conservatives, am extremely disappointed in the outcome of the election; I believe if conservatives don’t act to stop the president we will emerge from his last four years as a socialist country with only a thin veneer of free market capitalism and individual liberty remaining.
Having become quite intimate with the Constitution over the last several years I believe our ‘salvation’, if you will, is the 10th Amendment and a return to federalism.
The Founders, as you well know, didn’t seek to establish an all-powerful central government with the power to dictate how we free citizens manage our lives, and I refuse to submit to such a government. I demand to retain my God given right to take care of myself. I will not become a subject whose life is directed from cradle to grave by a smothering nanny state.
The Founders, in their infinite wisdom, included the 10th Amendment in the Constitution to explicitly state that those powers not specifically enumerated to the federal government were to remain with the states and the people.
Since the Wilson era, and possibly since the end of the Civil War, the federal government has usurped more and more of the states’ rightful powers and over time reduced the states to little more than administrative units of the central government. This centralization more than anything is responsible for much of the gridlock and acrimony in DC as the liberal and conservative world views clash over how large and intrusive the federal government ought to be. The Liberal agenda of redistribution, ‘fairness’, equality of outcome, et al cannot succeed without the centralization of power.
So much of what comes out of the federal government today and since the New Deal is grossly unconstitutional and well beyond their enumerated powers.
Obamacare is perhaps the best, most recent example of unconstitutional legislation; in spite of the SCOTUS ruling.
Now that Obama has been reelected Obamacare is likely to become permanent until such time it, and other programs, collapses the welfare state. Since Obamacare is without a doubt unconstitutional, I believe that it is well within the 10th Amendment powers of the states to reject it and to prevent its implementation within their borders. Without cooperation from the states it cannot survive.
I believe that it is well past time for the states to reassert their constitutional powers to rein in the federal government, protect their citizens from the rapacious predations of the socialists that have taken over the Democrat party, and to seize back those powers that have for so long been usurped.
The beauty of federalism is that it allows the states to compete with each other to limit government, limit taxation, and allow states’ residents to mold their state governments to best suit their needs. With the usurpation of so many states’ prerogatives that system has broken down. Now the impact of Nevada electing a Harry Reid has serious repercussions to me as a citizen or Arkansas. It wasn’t supposed to be this way.
I am writing to all GOP governors, the Republican Governors Association, and as many TEA Party groups as possible in the hope that I can get someone, anyone, to take up the banner of conservatism, Americanism, the Constitution, and the reestablishment of self-determination and liberty through the use of the 10th Amendment. I hope that We the People can count on you to be one of the leaders of this movement.

DerKrieger — we were writing our comments at the same time. Good job. ) See my comments on this thread.

“Roberts job is uphold the Constitution according to the law.”

You’ve got your head screwed on backwards. The Constitution is the starting point to determine whether laws are legitimate. Congress has no authority in the Constitution to mandate healthcare federally. Period. And Roberts was a coward in his ruling.

If you’re a conservative and have ever made fun of blacks for voting for Democrats when that party takes every black vote for granted, then please take out your voter ID card. If there is an R under party affiliation, then slap yourself across the face right now. Your children are counting on you. Your grandchildren may never know you. Rush Limbaugh isn’t really going to tell you when it’s time to give up on the GOP. This is serious business, folks. This is not a hobby, this is not entertainment, and this is not business as usual and let’s just keep plugging away at this thing. What a damn shame it will be when the conservative movement dies by suffocation within the bowels of the Republican party. Shame on us, and may God forgive our souls.

I can ‘barely’ conceal my disgust, Regarding Boehner. It would be worth it to me personally, to ‘put out his lights’ and in a squared circle and do the time for it.
This chump has simply got to be shown the door, toot sweet.Given the time he can go get a spinal transplant (If IPAB says it is O K and he isn’t too fricken’ old) and go do something he is Qualified for. Beats hell out-a me What That might be, though.
Sure didn;t take him long to raise a white flag,…eh, nudge-nudge……

If The Constitution is a Contract (and it most surely is) then why would anyone who can read standard contract law books wonder about it? If there is ever a question about what it ‘might’ say, all resolutions are to favor the beneficiaries of The Contract. We (The People) are the beneficiaries, so, reduced to simplicity Roberts did NOT do what he KNEW & was legally bound to do. He legislated from the bench and no one of any import, short of the four Neat Justices to his right were or is calling him on it.

Yes Obama is one trying to change the constitution, This is a case with room for more than one state villian. Roberts also gets top billing for his role in keeeping it on the landscape instead of rendered unconstitutional as he knew it was.

John Roberts is the vile force much as was Roger Taney in 1854 when he went outside Dred Scott and nullified Kansas- Nebraska Act and on and on. Robert to me is a traitor here so toxic and self serving were his actions.( I know not technically is his decision treason.)

He called what was a violation of Commerce CC a tax and that is how he went the extra mile to see the law as constitutional. He did that after first voting with the four conservatives and Kennedy to strike it all under CC over reach. The federal gov had no business regulating health care from DC top down., they decided He changed at last minute and looked for a way out, how to uphold ACA. . Kennedy tried to keep him but Roberts was gone from the majority by June 28.
And what he did may have been for his personal image not the constitution

.He had been intimidated by Obama and Reid no doubt. But he forever altered the course of history with that switch vote.
He is not a judge as far as I am concerned he is a ego driven hack.

Some exit polls have proven wrong and they all favor liberals. If exit polls are your standard then be cautious. Kerry did not win 2004, Scott Walker not only won hisi recall by seven points it was never close as those exit polls showed. And Obama did not win NH primary 2008, Hillary did.
Exit Polls are polls and but samples. We need not treat them holier than Scripture.
Most other polls show favor in repeal ACA. And strong oppositon is shown in referenda that nullified it. OK , MO are two states that did nullify as did Ohio in 2011. Many GOP govs hold back on what to do with exchanges. Of course the stste votes show public opinion. All of us are subject to this top down take over of our Health care.

I do not think this is about an immediate shut down but more issues long term like growing spending and tax cuts and mandatory cuts.

You appear to be operating under the assumption that Boehner, Cantor, McConnell, and the GOP will give a flying crap what we conservatives want.

Think back to the ancient prehistoric era of November 2010. Boehner & friends were handed a monster victory by the Tea Party, which made him the Speaker. He immediately began capitulating, and never stopped. Now it’s 2012, and the momentum has shifted back to the utopian statists. By what bizarre logic do you conclude that Boehner will get tougher and not weaker?

You have a good tactical point. I recall the Republicans joined Demcrats to fix a nightmare provision of Obamacare early that hurt small buinsess about paper work or forms to fill out. RS had a thread on that action. By fixing the early parts of O’care Dems wanted fixed that were to take effect masked its damage and true design and Dems took no heat. They also did not own it entirely with GOP doing even one action. I don’t think there were any more fixes to help it.
We have 30 ish governors which is a record on which to stand and find good people to run. That shows life in the states not all of us exist in a top down nation. US is not designed to be top down.
We do need the Senate and I am opptimistic if economy is slow we may get it sooner than 2016. Some Democrats may cross over as we grow the majority. .Obama will be bold and repeat much of what he did term1 and will not deal with debt.
GOP must not cooperate and own what he does. Except on budgets and debt. There he must not get allo the credit..

Agreed. Time for some peaceful civil disobedience.

Daniel, I am a true conservative but think you are off base on “Obamacare.” We have a child with a pre-existing condition. When I changed jobs the only reason he was picked up on new insurance was due to the Affordable Care Act. He was uninsurable without it. Looked into it then and almost whole thing is from Heritage Foundation. Health care is something everyone will use, no way to opt out since doctors will treat anyone who comes in. A lot of things wrong with it but trust me, if you had a child with pre-existing condition you would like it.

Also, it is not government take over. It is private insurance companies getting more customers! So while I don’t like all in “Obamacare” on balance it will be good for us in long run.

This is exactly the kind of rhetoric that the democrats have been hoping for. Boehner and the more moderate republicans have been pushed to far by the Young Guns and the Tea Party.
If you keep up this rhetoric and ignore your largest growing demographics, Cubans and young libertarians, then the party will be torn apart. We will move into a three party system of the Old Moderate Republicans, Tea Party and the Democrats

I wasn’t aware it was unpopular, I thought the exit polls showed support.

And once you remove him there will be a massive fallout in the republican party. He does have a large influence and a lot of republicans in congress won’t follow Erik Canter. If you remove Boehner you will remove the republican party because we will move to a system that mirrors England’s three party system.

I have no confidence in Boehner to undertake this battle. Nothing is going to happen until the balance of power shifts. I do not see that happening anytime soon. It is more likely this whole fraud of an economy implodes. I do not like that idea but it appears what will happen before any shift occurs. We can argue Romney was a lousy candidate that changes nothing. The truth of the matter is the “dumbest generation” could not see how dangerous the fraud in the oval is. More than likely it will have to get a whole lot worse before these fools reach a nirvana. My take is that will be too late. In the nineties I realized it was time to get my “house” in order. It took close to ten years of sacrifice to get completely out of debt. Just before the housing crash I sold the money pit an old Victorian and retired. A few years ago I fled the high taxes and fuel bills of the northeast and built a new house paying cash for it and all the furniture. The Salvation Army made quite a haul of my old stuff. My pension and Social Security provide fifty percent more than my monthly obligations, food, property taxes and utilities. After five years of retirement I have not touched my IRA. I am hunkering down playing defense. I never made more than thirty-five grand, worked my way through college paying as you go graduating with a Masters degree and no college debt. Being poor and conservative most of my life while charting a responsible course I managed to get here debt free. In an old John Denver song there was a line that speaks loudly to the mess this country find itself in. He sang “don’t spend more than you have.” Those are not exactly the words but it is the message transmitted. The big worry is health care as I am active with no ill health I am aware at some point soon HHS is going to tell me to take a pill. For one who has never accepted a hand out preferring to go without first this premise is likely to end badly. I will still tell them to go to H—.

You are funny. The Constitution is the law of the land and the Supreme Court affirmed that Obamacare was constitutional. Move on.

Boehner has never wanted ObamaCare to go away. That is why the House has repeatedly voted to fund it. All the repeal votes were just for show. After all this is the same guy who said we will fight for $100 Billion in spending cuts and ended up with nothing but smoke and mirrors. Jim Jordan or another reliable Conservative should challenge him for the Speakership and the whole left wing leadership in the House needs to go as well.

Please, please don’t. Those of us with seriously ill children are united at the most basic level, whether liberal or conservative, whether supporters or opposers of obamacare. Party divides appear trivial when viewed through the lens of a sick child. Never accuse us of not having thought it through when it’s all we can think of. Shriners and St Judes can’t help most of us. The emergency room can’t either, except during an acute crisis. Our system is flawed in many ways that obamacare won’t fix – my own son ended up in the emergency room last year after our private insurance company repeatedly denied coverage of the medication his doctor fought unsuccessfully for. We don’t all agree on the solution – this debate is heated and passionate and occasionally uncivil on my rare disease support group list. But please don’t lecture parents of sick children on the specifics of our own problems.

Steven I’m glad obamacare is helping your child. If we succeed in reforming it I hope the new system does an even better job.