I have absolutely no idea what you mean. Right side of history as in, we need to reduce spending or our prosperity and security will be history? Right side of history as in, restore our military so that we can defend our nation and the interests of its people? Reduce the historic burdens of government so that our business and industries can flourish, add jobs, and grow the economy? Reform a top-down welfare state patronage system that for almost a century has kept people alive but offers them no real way out of cyclical poverty?
I’m not sure what history you’re referring to but it seems to me that we’re on the right side.

some of those would have my vote but I don’t think a majority of moderators/directors would agree that we need to ban all of those.

No. Romney was not Obama-lite. Granted, he did not have the greatest record, but he did run as a conservative.

It’s called addition.

Every election is an exercise in it. You do enough things right, and avoid doing enough things wrong, to get a majority. Clearly, many things were done wrong in 2012, from the first GOP debates moderated by a hostile MSM to Election Day.

Vote fraud is serious business. It probably didn’t sway this election, but it is an acid that eats away at trust in the system. The best antidote is to keep electing Repubican governors and, just as important, Secretaries of State, and insist that they root it out.

Well, to counter your point, the founding fathers also believed that self government was only possible by a moral people. Without an objective moral anchor, it’s going to be tough to convince people that stealing from one’s neighbor is wrong. I mean there are practical consequences, but they aren’t very convincing to a people guided by emotion.

Well while we are stealing from one’s neighbor and since Mr. John “I served in Vietnam” Kerry along with his other rich pals are all for taxing the rich can’t we just change that from an Income Tax to a Wealth Tax so we can pop him for it also, I am just saying as it would be the moral and right thing to do, you know it’s for the children and seeing how he stole it from the backs of the hard working (um ok so he earned HIS on his back).

At least make it to where these so called for the people rich politicians and their stooges like Buffett ACTUALLY have to pay a tax that would MATTER to them. Maybe then they will get a clue!

Being the party that got the 13th Amedment passed didn’t count? What are you, a racist or something?

How about banning anyone who says The GOP needs to be more moderate to create a bigger tent?

With all due respect (and yes, Rick Perry is my governor), Rick Santorum was (and is) the ideal conservative candidate. Even El Rushbo agreed he never strayed off our reservation. May he pulleeeeze run again in 2016!

Could you post a list of thoughts we’re allowed to have?

If we look at who really started the serious mudslinging, Romney has nobody to blame but himself.
He was actually more aggressive towards Newt Gingrich and other Republicans than he was towards Obama. Early on Newt Gingrich was directing his criticisms towards Obama; Romney is the one that really went negative.
Could the fact he was a Mormon have tipped things in Obama’s favor, yes, but I don’t think it was the sole factor.
I think the primary reason why Romney lost was the fact he managed to alienate a lot of people that supported other primary candidates, the fact that he was the perfect poster boy for Obama’s class warfare rhetoric, and his inability to seriously go after Obama concerning Obama’s record, while painting a contrasting vision.
I don’t view Newt Gingrich’s pointing out Bain Capital is the problem; Bain Capital would have come up as soon as our primary was over, the Democrats were poised to attack Romney on it as soon as he was the nominee. Newt and other Republican Primary candidates tried to warn people. I pointed this out and was bashed by certain individuals here. Romney’s inability to field the Bain Capital criticism is partially what cost him the election; blaming Newt and others is simply trying to blame the individual that warned you about something that should have been blatently obvious to everyone here.
The reason we lost is because we had practically the absolute worst possible candidate running against Obama, hell as long as foreign policy was off the table Ron Paul (scarily) would have been a better candidate against Obama.
Romney was the perfect poster boy for Obama’s class warfare, and he essentially took criticism of Obamacare off the table due to Romneycare.
I got my hopes up after the 1st Debate, but it seems my initial assessment of our chances were correct. The only reason Romney even got the vote that close, is Obama’s dismal record (which Romney should have gone after more).
This was a gimme election, we should have won this, and would have won this if we had picked about any other of primary candidates.
Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum (questionable but more likely than Romney), Herman Cain (until he was hit with the Chicago-style smear), and Michelle Bachman, all would have been better candidates.
We nominated a man that only barely won the primary (and lost to a man whom had very little resources in 2008) with overwhelming financial support and a friendly media (which would go to Obama for the general). The fact Mitt Romney had so many problems getting across the finish line despite those advantages should have set off alarm bells for everyone.

If this had come down to one state, then you’d actually have a much better argument. Unless you can come up with sources in enough states to demonstrate a significant switch in electoral votes, so Romney would have actually hit 270, the fraud argument is rather weak.

Just curious, who was the least rich among the serious Republican candidates (defined as anyone who got invited to any of the debates)?

Can we use Virginia as a model? For all of the Dem complaints about Voter ID in Ohio and Pennsylvania, I saw almost no objections to the way that Virginia does it.

Not entire Cities, but entire Precincts. And as far as I can tell with those precincts, they are the perfect example of those expected to vote for Obama. Almost entirely Black and a *large* number on significant Government assistance.

“The people went overwhelmingly GOP just 2 years ago, and dinged us this time. Instead of belittling them, find out why and try to convince them next time.”

I always remember Benjamin Franklin’s response as he left Independence Hall the last day when a woman asked him what form of government the men had formed.

“A Republic — if you can keep it,” he answered.

Benjamin Franklin, and the Founders who toiled with him, KNEW what they had created and why. This brings me to Mr. Romney.

I’ll reprise a post written about a week after O’s reelection on the matter of why “our” candidate lost.

“Try this thought experiment: What if Mr. Romney had delivered a
full throated denunciation of RomneyCare, complete with details about
its damaging effects on Massachusett’s health care system? And went
further: apologized for creating the mini-monster along with explicating
what he had learned from his terrible mistake?

“While just a thought experiment, what do you think something like
that might have meant about Romney’s true thinking and beliefs?

“He never said anything like that — and couldn’t. Indeed, Mr. Romney
said that first thing he would do is repeal ObamaCare — but retain its
‘best’ features.”

There are many reasons why “we” lost. But the truth is that if the “we” to whom you are referring are we conservatives, then certainly there is at least this reason for losing: We didn’t run a representative, articulate candidate, just a RINO.

I’ll close with this: I know solid, intelligent, committed conservatives who had trouble voting for Mr. Romney. One was almost literally pushed out the door at 5:40 pm on November 6th by his wife with firm instructions to vote. Which he did. And which he did reluctantly.

Best way to make sure of one person one vote is to leave a thumbprint in the card. First thumbprint counts, any others get kicked out. Then, you can also check for felons voting and illegal aliens voting, since they can be tracked and if it doesn’t match up no vote.

Good points, Garfield.

I’ll add this: Romney was the Republican Establishment’s pick. I know only one Tea Partier who was o.k. with him. Hardly any Republicans I know wanted him but they were frustrated by the field: Not much to pick from.

After he won the nomination, Republicans tried to like him; many succeeded, especially after the first debate. Our Tea Party worked on Romney’s behalf (some of us with conviction — me not included: like a lot of us, I was working AGAINST Obama).

I think this loss was — is — almost a knockout punch for the consultant class that surrounds the Republican Establishment. After all, anyone looking for Democrat Lite had real examples for whom they could vote.

And guess what? They did!

Let’s talk.

Not about conspiracy theories, but about why the map looks like it does. This is no conspiracy theory. This is on the ground blue state observation. I am advocating for a change in approach because I am what should be referred to as a purple republican. Not because I am a RINO, but because as True Red as I might be, I am wallowing in a blue state and it effects our options.

I had meetings with libertarian and conservative associates today to discuss ways to create community organizing associations to reach out to people not served by the progressive dominated social services funded by the government. The shear fear that people in New Jersey, Delaware and Eastern Pennsylvania have about “walking on the wrong side of the street” is shocking.

I have not seen this since the late fifties. People are afraid. People with jobs are afraid of economic lynching. Ministers, lay leaders, ethnic community leaders are afraid to be seen even offering shelter or support to politically neutral solutions if those activities are perceived as not adequately advancing the progressives agenda.

I am old enough to remember segregation, and had family in Philadelphia and the tide water region of Virginia. I have first hand knowledge of segregation and how it worked. I am telling you that this area is suffering the same debilitating effects that segregation had on the south in the fifties. Segregation wasn’t only a tool to oppress “colored” (which included blacks and others who were also classified as non-white so the term is accurate) but segregation was also a tool to keep “whites” in line. People remember that colored where not welcome at the five and dime counter, but what may not be known is that the intimidation worked both ways. A white that frequented business that catered to the black community or who didn’t act racist enough in public (a sympathizer) was made into an example. They would be economically and socially “lynched”.

What we are experiencing here, or at least what I am seeing first hand trying to do something, is that same economic lynch risk, the big stick in the other hand of the Obama administration. People are afraid to cross the street and walk on the wrong side walk, for fear of retribution. Just cutting taxes and creating economic opportunity isn’t going to make it safe here, anymore than it did for southerners who suffered under segregationist tactics.

We need to accept the abstract concepts and understand how the democrats might have accomplished this so we can fight it, or we are doomed to fail in the blue states.

So seriously, lets talk, set up a forum. How to get the red out of blue state captives. Because just pointing the way isn’t going to work. At the end of the day if we stick our neck out for economic and financial liberty for all through conservative ideals of self reliance, we find ourselves alone and under attack. We have no support groups, even the churches are afraid. So standing up, means standing out and that means segregationist attacks through social and economic intimidation.

It has been said that everyone has to help themselves. Tell that to acorn, the NEA, the SEIU, and AFSCME. The blue states are fully a occupied foreign country, and the conservatives here are running for cover. Everyone is out for themselves by avoiding controversy. Just like in the segregated south.

Just pointing to a better future isn’t going to help win blue states. We need a ground game that gives strength through association to the free market friendly independents, democrats and republicans so they can stand up and survive economic hardship. We need acorn like organizations with a right leaning free market approach but still delivering social services through NGOs. Things like education advocacy, relocation advocacy, senior rights advocacy, job training, and more importantly job development advocacy.

This isn’t a solution for everywhere it is a way to recover some hope in the blue part of the map. We are a generous people. We need to be smart about the relationship between advocating “self reliance” and giving to charity. If a fraction of the money squandered on advertising had been directed to building and maintaining community organizing groups to counter the threat of Obama’s supporters the election would have been different. It has been observed that Obama never left Ohio. What really happened is Obama’s NGO operatives never left Ohio. They were in there advocating for people in need day in and day out. They were also applying segregationist pressure to anyone that deviated from the narrative. A complete approach. Networking to help the needy, networking to influence the decision makers and economic drivers, and organization to punish anyone who failed to fall in line. This networking is the key. They use it to influence and impose their will.

We need those capabilities ourselves to fight the good fight in the blue states. And having seen the risks, and the disappointment of hard core conservatives safely ensconced in the fly over country of America who won’t engage, won’t compromise and won’t even show up on election day if they don’t like the choices they have I don’t blame the people who I met with for deciding they wanted to take cover and stay “on their side of the street, where they belong”. There are two different countries now, this is the legacy of withholding your vote to send a message. Without “A teams” working behind the blue steel curtain in those states conservatives have surrendered the oppression for everyone will continue. Without beating them at their own game the progressives own the election map. Without doing community organizing, getting engaged, advocating for free market principles through government it is going to get worse.

My associates basically disbanded today. Some won’t even risk talking to me or each other because someone in their business or congregation might find out. And there is no one to turn to for strength in numbers or give us support against abusive interdiction by progressives. Several are aggressively seeking to relocate in the red zone, even if that means walking away from their real estate. We can all leave but that won’t change the election map.

What do we do now?

This will be the last time I come here. Just about sick and tired of being preached to. You’ve become a lot of assholes.

No, Obummer didn’t run as a conservative, he ran as a demagogue. But, since Romney wasn’t a real clear alternative, the people either voted for the devil they knew, or they stayed home.

“All that is needed for evil to prevail is for men of good will to do nothing.”

All that is needed for the right to never win another election is for everyone to decide they are out of money and out of energy and to decide “it isn’t so bad.”

“If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem”!!!!!

Let’s say streiff is right, however your solution is naive. There is voter
fraud going on and there should not be a conclusion to an election
until people have been prosecuted and sentenced. Whether it mattered or not
there is not an effort to eliminate voter fraud by either party.
You can not have an election with voter fraud whether it matters or not.

bye

35,000 Stood In Freezing Cold To See Mr&Mrs Romney. 48 Hrs Later He Got 0 votes At 59 Polling Places In Same Area???Ok . I forgot Obama isn’t corrupt, Couldn’t happen in a million years.

right and obama does. i get it.

Here are a few reasons and one conclusion you can start with. The conclusion is simple: the RNC needs to go.
1. The Republican Convention, instead of being a big tent, refused the Ron Paul faction any time in the sun – shut them out completely. In spite of Paul’s promise not to bolt the party and run as an independent, the RNC stole their right to nominate their candidate at the Convention. The Paulites didn’t bolt, they just didn’t vote. Minus 2-3 million votes. After a hard-fought primary, you are supposed to kiss and make up. Didn’t happen – no outreach to the Paulites. Same can be said of the TEA Party. While Paul Ryan was loved by the TEA Party for his straight talk, that was the limit of the outreach to them.

2. The rules committee pulled a fast one on members they didn’t like. The Virginia bus was kept circling the convention center, tying up the rules committee member from Virginia. I understand something similar happened to the member from Rhode Island. The rules committee then decided that elected delegates can be disenfranchised by replacing them with delegates of the candidate’s choosing. This is the RINOs trying to hold on to the reins of power and not being a party of “We the People”.
3. The Democratic party has developed state of the art electioneering software. The Republican Voter Vault Software is way behind technology based on the best of 1990′s. The ORCA roll-out was deeply flawed. We need a system that belongs to the Republican Party, not a candidate, that can be used for National, statewide and local elections. I ran the rVotes.com software system for three counties. It is not as good as the Democratic system, but light-years ahead of what the local republicans had. RNC where are you?
4. The last reason to point out was not the RNC but the far right side of the psudeo christians. The 2 million who put their anit-Mormon feelings in front of their civic duties really don’t understand the scripture where the first Christian said “give unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and unto God the things that are God’s”. With the votes of items one and four we would have won. Items two and three also would have helped.

until we stop attacking our own while the Dems would support Al Capone we’ll be on the wrong side. We could have Ghandi for a candidate and find fault. They could have Al Capone and say he’s a terrific candidate. They canonize theirs and we demonize ours. All we do is help the other side.

Y’all are so sure of yourselves – to the point of arrogance.
I am not a birther, truther, or any of the other conspiracy theorists you listed.
I am a thoughtful conservative who does have concerns about the election.
Don’t worry, I wil not post about them and you won’t have to BAN me because as of now
I realize RedState is not necessary in my life and I am unsubscribing.

I didn’t vote for Romney. I didn’t vote for Obama. But I did vote. In the end, I could not, in good conscience, vote (again) for the lesser of two evils. My philosophy from now on is, if the Republicans can’t give me a Conservative candidate, I’ll take my vote elsewhere. I’m a Conservative first, not a Republican. And just in case you think my voted mattered, and contributed to Obama’s win, Romney won the State of North Carolina.

But not with your help or vote. You sound like a little kid.

Ahh but the night is young and for 2016 has just begun.

I never thought I’d see Red State adopt the DNC position on the 1st Amendment! you don’t need to ban me, I’ll simply stop posting.

Glad someone caught that joke Bill S. I was beginning to worry.

Low turn out? Really? And these are just a few. All these ppl suddenly decided NOT to vote at the last second? (will be posting more photos too)http://romney2016.crazy4us.com/t6-low-turn-out-really

I believe that Obama won this election. I believe there was probably voter fraud…but there always is.

Erick and RedState…I do not want to be banned from this forum…however, please read this and then read the rest of my post: http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/index.php

Now, this is their website. I did not go to some conspiracy theory website. Many different people are invited to share their views to this group, Governor Rick Perry being one who spoke on the importance of energy independence. However, it would be folly to think that they do not have an influence in America because we seem to be going to way of Europe and we do know where the Euro is headed not to mention the many countries that have a socialistic slant if not full slant to their government.

I’m not speaking conspiracy here. In fact, I know that there are people that are invited with opposing viewpoints to others. This was a point I tried to make on RedState for some time…just because you attend does not make you some alien. But to suggest that the name cannot be brought up in the context I just laid out does not seem right.

There are many reasons why Romney lost, some of which have been pointed out very accurately on this board. There was not any unity…there was only one issue, the base did not turn out in FORCE, he had people working for him that opposed winning but rather that of greed.

I’m a Conservative and I vote Republican…but I am a Conservative first and for that, I should not be banned for what I just wrote.

Romney drew large crowds but I thought his 0 votes came from solid DNC wards. Megyn Kelly and Bill O’Reilly had a segment on the 19,000 all Ob votes to Romney 0 votes. O’Reilly was suspicious. Kelly said in 2008 a similar pattern was there for McCain and 0 votes in same wards.

There also were many wards that reported Obama 0 and Romney 100%, though. Not as many all for Romney wards as the 19,000 total for Obama, but quite a few.

There were media reports off Drudge about Philadelphia wards kicking out the Republican offical or poll watcher. A media report is not official. The governor PA a Republican should check out all these reports of voter irregularities if he has not PA regulates elections and the state is charged with minntaing election integrity. Maybe they have checked.

What is the Republican base? The elite Washington establishment or the conservatives in flyover country who do their job and pay their taxes? As a conservative I’m tired of having the Washington establishment and state owned media selecting my presidential candidate.

Thumbs UP! Excellent.
George Washingotn’s Farewell Address 1796 co-written with Hamilton(Madison declined to join them) is an example of a moral people being put forward as the one’s to operate a republic of self governing people.
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Adams had noted a republic wss not suitble for anyone but a moral people.

As one here in WI who has been closely following/participating in our voter/election law process, I can tell you that there is fraud. They have been practicing for YEARS and this year was the big payoff. But it’s not simply done. The voter roles have been padded for decades — i.e. the dead voting in IL back to the first Daley regime. Take a look at how the DOJ went after EVERY state that tried to clean up the roles (FLA) or tighten up same day registration. So in a way it’s done ‘legally’ and is fairly undetectable unless you can scrutinize the ID or check against the voter lists. But with the proliferation of liberal judges who always side with the ACLU, LOWV, etc it is almost impossible to get these things accomplished.

Was this the only reason we lost – oh hell no – but take a look where there was overwhelming turn out — inner cities, where Romney got almost no votes and you really have to wonder. This won the state for the electoral college points. It isnt everywhere, just where they know they can do it and do so at will.

Streets and neighborhoods were scoured for any able – or not – bodied person and brought to the polls to do as told, and, as we have seen here in Milwaukee — given a sandwich on their way back to the street corner they were picked from. They registered with the info and papers given to them — remember the Dem legislators son from NC was it — they have to ‘look’ like a real utility bill . . .You think he was the only one looking for someone to do that? . . . .During our recall election in we had blatant disregard by election officials to continue to let people ‘vouch’ for where someone lived, etc — nothing was done about it. I could go on, but I hope you get my point . . .

So while I appreciate wanting to keep the total whack job black ops helicopter conspiracy theorists off
here, there are many, many of us who know that there is and will continue to fight against our elections being stolen from us — again.

that really isn’t true. The number of liberals who are vaguely patriotic or look at this country as something other than the locus of evil in the world approaches zero.

no one is denying that there was some vote fraud out there. There always is. In 2004 and 2008 there were precincts in Philly, and Milwaukee, that cast more votes than there were registered voters in those precincts. You can acknowledge that without going full metal nutcase and claiming Obama stole the election. It simply wasn’t that close anywhere.

Amen to “stop shooting your own troops”. First thing to remember is primary debates should *not* be filled with junk that just turns into talking points for the Dems. That’s such a “duh” but we really knocked each other to death before realizing the real opposition wasn’t even in the room. As Pogo Possum says, “We have met the enemy and he is us”

Whether the election was stolen or not, the level of fraud was extraordinary and outrageous, from New Black Panthers forcibly ejecting GOP observers from Philadelphia polling places and producing 99%+ results for Obama to precincts reporting turnout of well over 100% of eligible voters to the amazing results of Brian Wilson & friends on WMAL’s morning show in the DC area, with hour after hour of fraud reports and fraud suppression reports. It speaks ill of the election laws, election practices, and election law enforcement. There are issues here beyond the purely legal and a party’s chances of succeeding in court.

The worst issue I have in mind is the dismissal by both major parties of visible and risible usurpations of the franchise of sovereign citizens by criminals with skin in the game. True the Vote has turned up no shortage of outrageous stories.

Concerns on the part of established political actors of being seen as poor losers or wing nuts for commenting on evidence of brazen outrages is contemptible and cowardly. A week after the election there were over 70,000 independent reports nationwide of multiple offenses. These are crimes against the republic, and not to be tolerated in any jurisdiction. Philadelphia and Boston, critical cities in the establishment of that republic, hold special paces of shame.

In an environment this lawless, with bad actors in corrupt districts working hammer and tong to skew results, it would take months or years for an honest government to unwind the full sordid story and the real extent of the theft. We are blessed with neither the time nor the virtue.

If election integrity is the abyss, I will take it over the status quo.

I want you to take a look at the photos in the post. I will not tell you what to think,k? Ask yourself if all those people suddenly decided at the last second A.. not to vote at all B. vote for Obama . These are just a few. Am collecting more. Anyway,take a look see and tell me what YOU think.. It’s titled Low Turn Out Really ?http://romney2016.crazy4us.com/t6-low-turn-out-really

ok. i’ll concede. All these ppl suddenly decided at the last min A to not vote at all B vote Obama http://romney2016.crazy4us.com/t6-low-turn-out-really I’ll concede and admit that Obama is not corrupt and neither he nor his drones would commit voter fraud on a massive scale. Would not happen. So what O had ties to Acorn? An organization well known for it’s voter fraud. Obama would do anything to win but would never stoop this low. Ok. I concede.

i give up. I don’t give a fat rats butt if the military vote ever gets counted. now I’ll admit voter fraud didn’t make a difference. we’ll just let Obama and his drones keep going down this path. I like the idea that dead ppl and missing ballots put someone like Al Franken in Congress.. i saw the crowds for romney and now will conclude that all those ppl suddenly decided to stay home or vote Obama. Got it. Obama is just not that corrupt. Got it. I give up.Saying massive voter fraud didn’t happen is almost as good as saying it did.

I think Obama probably did win Va outright by a relatively small margin. However …

I was an election official in Virginia, NOT a poll watcher. I can tell you that when I worked the poll book, which was about 1/4 to 1/3 of the total time, and not during the busiest time, I had at least 5 people come to me who were listed as having already voted. If you multiply that by 3 you get 15 if I’d done the PB all day. Multiply again by three poll book stations, you get 45. So there very well could have been 45 cases just in my precinct. Let’s assume 1/3 of these are due to EO error, either on election day or during early absentee voting. This is a generous assumption. That leaves 30 questionable votes from our precinct.

The people who showed up that day seemed mostly legit, so it’s likely those 30 votes were ‘stolen’ during the early absentee voting, which was not monitored by poll watchers. If they were voted on the WINvote machines used for early in-person voting, then there is no way of tracing them. If they were mailed in, they might theoretically be thrown out in the provisional ballot canvass. Let’s say about 1/3 of the fraudulent absentee votes were caught that way. Then we come up with 20 votes from my precinct that were fraudulent but went through. That would be a bit more than 1% of the 1800 cast. Other precincts are known to have much more fraud than mine.

These calculations are tedious, but useful in assessing the problem.
My county has 200+ precincts. So a back-of-the-envelope calculation would estimate that at least 20×200 = 4000 fraudulent votes were cast in my county alone. There are 3 similar surrounding counties, so that gives about 16K fake votes from our region. Other parts of the state, especially the Tidewater and Roanoke, are known to have rampant voter fraud. Some of our local GOP have stated that the Hampton area alone had 30K fraudulent votes in 2008. Suddenly the small numbers in a given precinct add up to tens of thousands, and I believe I’ve been conservative in my estimates.

Obama won Va by 150K, so it seems the fraud is not quite enough to account for this, but it is of the same order-of-magnitude. I have not included the issue of military voters being disenfranchised, which was a real problem this time in Va, a big military state. Nor am I able to estimate the factor of the Voter Participation Center(aka ACORN?), which was covered here on RS. Though questioned, VPC was left unimpeded in this state. Plus I personally met 4 people whose adult children had moved to other states, some long ago, yet were sent Virginia voter cards just three weeks before the election.

Of course the bigger problem is the ever-increasing numbers of left-indoctrinated voters. It should have never have even been so close that people would wonder about fraud having an impact.

Question – how many challenged, or contested, elections do the dems lose?

When you hear that an election is challenged by a dem, do you – as do I – automatically assume the election will go to the dem?

I have read much about how Romney and the Republicans lost, and I have my own thoughts.

Obama received approximately 65 million votes, a drop of 4.5 million from the 69.5 million of 2008.

Romney received approximately 60.6 million votes, an increase of 700,000 over McCain’s 59.9 million of 2008.

Even if those 4.5 million all voted for Romney, he still would have had only 64.4 million, a 600,000 shortfall.

The loss occured in the malaise of the voting citizenry. There are 239 million eligible voters in the US, and 169 million (70.7%) of them registered to vote.

Only 125.6 million voted, 74% of the registered voters and just 52.5% of eligible voters. 70 million (29%) of eligible voters didn’t even register to exercise their right to vote.

Looking at the election from this angle, it shows that we do not have a Democratic system, rule by majority, but a very disinterested public.

Total population – 315 million, Obama received 65 million votes, 20.6% of the population.

Total eligible voters – 239 million, Obama received 65 million votes, 27% of those eligible.

Total registered voters – 169 million, Obama received 65 million votes, 38% of those registered.

To give a little more perspective, 174 million eligible voters (72.8%) and 104 million registered voters (61.5%) did not vote for Obama.

We need to get all those disenfranchised people, or as many as possible, interested in participating in “Government of the people, by the people, for the people”, or we will have a Politburo by 2016.

A truther residue lingers still.and denial of extremists threats are many from Nigeria to Egypt and Libya.
The Truther version of events and world view is alive and well in White House and DNC circles, not so much in the details but outcome that forms foreign and terrorism policy. If Bush did 9/11 then Bin Laden did not, right? Obama does not think Bush was behind 9/11. Obama killed bin Laden, Right? And Drones have killed of al queda, right?

Therefore al queda is dead. Right?

Here we are with a foreign policy that diminishes and minimizes terorrism. Obama endorsed Arab Spring and accepts extremism in Brotherhoods as normal. Obama foreign policy insists on a premise al queda is dead or does not exist. Whether it is becaue Bush did 9/11 or Obama killed bin Laden al queda and terrorism are no longer a threat to mnay Democrats.

But it is a growing threat and RS posters know terrorism is a threat even if WHite House plays it down.

The establishment spent 18 months trying to cram Romney down our throats. During the primaries, there were many conservatives who swore they would never vote for Romney………Ever. Now, Romney got 3 million less votes in 2012 than McCain (another establishment cram-job) got in 2008. It’s obvious that about 3 million of those folks made good on that promise. Oh, they may have voted for their senator, congressman, etc, but left the presidential part blank.

You’re free to believe what you want. Just don’t write about conspiracy theories here.

The height of stupidity is someone who comments without reading the diary on which they’re commenting.

Like you, for example.

I disagree. The voters *are* idiots, as we can see by the recent results. Yes, we have been educated into idiocy and groomed into slovenliness, but for literally decades now, I have summed up my love-hate relationship with Americans as a love of the fact that this country is so stupendously successful that people can be idiots and still do just fine, and a hate for the frequency with which they take the bait.
The number one problem in America is that stupidity doesn’t hurt. Well, it’s about to, and unfortunately, it will still not hurt the stupid more than the sentient. In fact, very likely the opposite will happen.
Hoc sugit, hoc sugit, semper hoc sugit.

Such a marvelous piece…marred by that last sentence. I strongly agree w/ the author’s sentiments towards the conspiracy nuts obsessing over how Obama “stole” the election, but that last part about anticipating the inauguration of Pres. Rick Perry really hurt streiff’s credibility. I’m not saying he wouldn’t be preferrable to 4 more yrs. of Obama, but, well…just read:
http://right-winggenius.blogspot.com/2011/07/okay-michele-you-have-my-blessing-but.html