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Question One in Our National Conversation: Why Did Gun Control Fail the Families of Newtown

It is sickening that we have to discuss this with the dead not all buried, but such is our fallen world.

Were we a decent society, we would allow the parents of Newtown to grieve before we started talking about taking away guns. We are not a decent society, and the ghoulish, deranged left is once again trying to use a tragedy as an opportunity.

So, as they begin their ritual descent into bathing in the blood of children about whom they wouldn’t care were they just inside the birth canal, let’s have the “conversation” about pretending away the Second Amendment they want. Because they want to change the law, the burden of proof lies on them; so here is the first question they must answer:

Why didn’t restrictive gun control laws save the victims of Newtown?

This is what the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence has to say about Connectictut’s gun control regime:

Connecticut has strong gun laws that help combat the illegal gun market, prevent the sale of most guns without background checks and reduce risks to children, according to the Brady Campaign. In the organization’s 2009 state scorecards released for all 50 states, Connecticut earned 53 points out of a total of 100 and has the nation’s fourth strongest gun laws.

“Connecticut has done more than most states to combat illegal guns and has worked to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people. In fact, Connecticut has a one-of-a-kind law that allows a judge to remove guns from people who have been determined to be a threat to themselves or others,” said Ron Pinciaro, President of CT Against Gun Violence.

The Washington Post — no opponent of a disarmed citizenry — agrees with this characterization. Connecticut “has among the most stringent gun control laws on the books,” the Post notes, citing three disparate groups of experts, before allowing Connecticut’s chief Democrat to explain that his state can’t enforce its own laws without adult supervision.

I don’t believe that we should be making domestic policy based on anecdote or on a single event. No system is properly tested in a single instance. The proof of a policy is how it performs over time — after hundreds or thousands of events. But gun control proponents do not agree. Piers Morgan, Michael Moore, Rupert Murdoch, and many more seem to believe that the vicious and evil killings in Connecticut prove the need for more stringent gun control measures. They race to change the law in the wake of tragedies because they know that they long ago lost the policy debate and that cooler heads will reject any such regulation absent the immediate aftermath of a tragedy.

A lesser-noted detail of America’s current demographics is that in the midst of an awful economic downturn, violent crime is falling. Americans recognize that gun crimes have continued to trend down as more law-abiding citizens have gotten access to firearms. So having failed to fool the people into signing onto their policies, they pretend that their ideas have been ignored — rather than considered and rejected again and again — and they call for a “national conversation,” a term of art the Obama Administration has embraced since the beginning that translates into American English as “agree with me, or I’ll regulate it anyway, democracy be damned, you idiots.”

Defenders of the Bill of Rights ought to welcome that debate, one that we’ve been having for every year of the roughly four decades I’ve drawn breath on this planet. (We keep having it because the Left, like the Roman legions, refuses to admit defeat until they win.) After all, we can and will win one more time if the sense of the American people (also known to its opponents as “the gun lobby,” “the Israel lobby,” and so on) is allowed to prevail. But if we are to discuss the value of gun restrictions, we first need an explanation from gun control advocates of why their ideas failed the victims in Newtown.

As noted above, according to the Brady Campaign, Connecticut has the nation’s fourth-strongest gun laws. The sale and possession of so-called assault weapons are banned under state law. As noted above, the state empowers judges to remove guns from those who constitute a threat. The state earns high marks for gun dealer regulation, reporting of lost or stolen guns, background checks, permit to purchase, child safety, and earns the maximum score on guns in public places.

So here’s the challenge for gun control advocates: explain why you failed the people of Newtown. You cited Connecticut as a national example. You said its laws “reduce risks to children.” You gave no state a higher rating for keeping guns out of public places — like schools.

And a criminally insane man stole legally-owned guns (owned under Connecticut’s regime) after being denied their legal purchase, broke in through a window, and killed children and adults — adults who were not armed to shoot back, and so died unable to save the children who also died.

You want this one event to be a national test? Fine. Why are there 20 children dead when the state of Connecticut did what you said they should to keep their people safe?

Once you answer that question, we can get this conversation underway.

(A tip of the hat to Ben Domenech’s Transom, the research assistant we all need at a price we can’t beat.)

COMMENTS

  • checkmate2012

    Excellent question to start the debate Thomas Crown. I can’t bear to watch this tragedy on the news 24×7 so don’t know if anyone has spoken to the gunshop to find out if the killer was irate when he couldn’t buy a gun on the spot which could have sent up a red flag. I’m not saying it’s the responsibility of a gunshop to determine someone’s mental competency just that maybe they can shed some light on his reaction when denied a gun. I’d be for a voluntary “see something, say something” from gunshop owners if they suspect fowl play.

    To add to your question, the crowd that wants to ban guns should also be asked why the murder rate is so high in Chicago and D.C., both places with strict gun laws, but not other cities that have allow CCW. Of course that would place the degredation of the family front and center, which has been the Left’s goal all along, and to replace the family with government.

    Maybe it’s time for the discussion to focus on gun education. Heck they’re all for sex education in schools against the will of many parents, why not gun education that teaches the responsibilities of a gun owner and the consequences of mis-use?

    Well thought out diary!

  • DerKrieger

    The ultimate goal of the Left is to disarm us completely. They are totalitarians, they can’t help themselves.

  • checkmate2012

    Being a realist, I know there will be a discussion and it will be counter-productive if it only forcuses on gun-control.Guns aren’t the problems, deranged killers are.
    Just to clarify, I wasn’t suggesting gunshops be the gatekeepers but if they could help than why not? Your example of bad work day buyer is a good one.

  • diamondreo

    Sorry, I got home from work and rambled into the column in my response to you.
    For some reason, I’ve been experiencing a degree of paranoia since the election because it’s become apparent that this debate will take place with a bully-pulpit Obama, a dem. Senate, and Boehner negotiating by himself somehow.

    What’s coming in this aftermath…I get the feeling that this can’t be good. Most of all, I’m just scared to see this reactionary debate entered at the height of emotion – so quickly forwarded by people of dubious agenda.

  • gunnyg2002

    The bottom line is that we need to lock up nutjobs, not just for 24 hours, but until they are sane or dead. The LEFT puts these people out on the street, prevents shrinks from locking them down, and keeps the cops from taking them to the shrinkis with crapola like “Patient’s Rights.”

    Evidently society no longer has any right to be safe, i.e., California turning criminals loose because they are bankrupt. SURELY those criminals will STAY in California.

  • bgintn

    How about top grade * FREE * education?

    Once again, Front Sight Firearms Training
    Institute, arguably the world leader in providing intensified courses in the
    defensive use of firearms for private citizens, has the answer to stopping
    further attacks on school children. Front Sight will once again offer free
    firearms training to any school administrator, teachers, or full time staff
    members designated as school Safety Monitors.

    Front Sight will accept for training up to three
    staff members from each school, college or university.

    Applicants must submit a letter requesting
    training on school letterhead signed by the top school district official and
    designating the applicant as the school’s Safety Monitor.

    And then follow the Israeli solution, two in the chest (center mass), one in the head (to make sure).

    My understanding there was a confrontation with him at the school before Friday.

    That he was denied right away because he was not 21. No real check because he did not even begin to qualify.

    Could what happen before Friday explain why he turned left after entering the school?

  • diamondreo

    The second amendment is fine…in fact so is the Constitution in general. It’s just not being followed.

    Another simplistic quote that I hold dear by the great Douglass V. Gibbs:
    “Anything that violates the Constitution is unlawful”

  • checkmate2012

    I didn’t take it personally diamondreo :) And we are all afraid of the transformation O promised and this is one more step to our demise that he would like to impose. Luckily, I don’t think a strict gun law will be able to get passed in Congress, even after this horrible event.
    There are enough examples of why a gun ban, even partial, doesn’t work out for lawful citizens and plenty of stats to suggest that CCW laws have lowered the crime rate.

  • checkmate2012

    I guess I was thinking along the lines of drivers-ed and not indoctrination from the Left. If high school aged kids were educated on use and abuse of guns, then maybe this could turn about the de-sensitization of violence. It seems that most of the mass killers are in their 20′s but could be wrong.

  • 1stRichard

    I already had my discussion on gun control with a moonbat this morning. He said they need to ban all guns and shoot anyone having a gun. I asked if you ban all guns how are you going to shoot someone for having a gun. He said, well the police should have guns. Then I asked if you ban all guns then why the police should be allowed to have guns. He said, because I told you bad people might have guns. Then I asked why don’t you shoot all bad people. He said, that’s a good idea. Then I told him you couldn’t because you banned all guns. Then he said, there you go again with that right wing propaganda again and walked away.

    To the north in Massachusetts where I am with similar gun controls, http://massgunlawreform.com/ reports, “In 1998, Massachusetts lawmakers passed what they said was one of the toughest gun control laws in the country. Yet, in the decade since the laws were passed, firearm-related crime has increased dramatically. Gun-related deaths alone have increased by 68%, and gun-related assault injuries have increased by 72%. Emergency room visits due to gun-related assaults have increased by a whopping 222%.”

    All this has gone on for decades, logic, numbers, facts, they don’t matter to the leftist gun control advocates. The most important part of having a conversation, or trying to start one is record it, document it and report it to someone with some shred of sanity.

  • checkmate2012

    Ah, but they could punish big movie makers that glorify violence. But they won’t since they were huge contibutors to Obama’s campaign coffers. And do we really need videos that focus on killing people?
    I guess we as consumers could just quit buying their violent crap, kinda like a boycott on Chick-Fil-A in reverse. It’s time to put focus on the sellers of violence that tend to normalize the bad behavior. Boycott Hollywood Violence Now!

  • caseyt

    While I cannot cite the law, I’m pretty sure that doctors are legally required to report someone who is a threat to others. Now I may be wrong but I thought I heard that somewhere.

  • davesinsanantonio

    They could help themselves, but they refuse. They are not helpless, they do what they do on purpose. They do it because they want to. And, the more we protest what they do, the more they insist that they be allowed to do it. They really don’t care about what anyone else wants. Nor do they care if what they want to do works. They don’t really even care if what they want to do actually hurts others. They still insist on doing it. So, it is not about what works, but who chooses what will be done. They don’t care about facts, they only care about control. And, to achieve the ability to control our diet, the temperature inside our homes, the kind of car we drive and where we can drive it to, how we raise our children, what we can say inside our churches, etc., they must first take away our guns. Once they have removed the means to resist their tyranny, then we will never be able to win another election, because they will be able to ban those as well. And, they will!
    Every dictatorship the left loves to accuse us of being, and all of those leftist dictatorships they try to ignore, when they first came to power, immediately took away the citizens’ guns. Then there was no stopping them. If the current crop of leftist dictator wannabes in this country succeed, there will be not stopping them either. Just look at what kinds of things they try to control now, and listen when they talk about their dreams of an ideal society, and realize if they succeed in disarming us, that it will only get much worse!

  • davesinsanantonio

    But, that tells me you think Congress acts rationally all the time, that they never get caught up in the emotions of things, that Boner has a spine, that lefties care about facts, that Republicans always listen to their constituents. So, let me tell you. They don’t!

  • celador2

    Drudge reports a TV show about guns has been cancelled.

  • davesinsanantonio

    You are wrong if you think the lefties will agree that Conn. did everything right. They will still say the state did not do enough to keep the guns out of the hands of the killer, and that the only way to do that is to take away all guns from everyone. You are also wrong in thinking that more extensive background checks would have worked. And, what evidence do you have that the legal guns and ammo he acquired were purchased on line? So, stop giving the lefties who want to control everything moral support to keep doing what they are doing, and then re-doubling their efforts. They don’t want a debate, they want us to shut up and do what we are told!!!

  • celador2

    I read the shooter shot himself in the head when he heard the police cars. He knew cops would stop the slaughter because they were armed. Had the school been armed with safety and firearm protected teachers or staff on site the school would not have been a soft target,

    In other words, knowing a school is armed on site with no time lapse wait for cops to arrive may deter nut cases in the future and might have stopped this evil- nut case from picking the school as a target.

    Ok so he would go to the playground inhopes it was a soft hit. Fine ,have playground guards there too with firearms. Parents might help with arms while the kids play.

  • shdwolf1

    Unfortunately, you’re going from the same flawed philosophy and morality when viewing the actions of Democrats and Liberals: they don’t feel any moral obligation to tell the truth, listen to facts, or follow sane and time proven reasoning when trying to get their agenda accomplished. One thing they have proven is that they are willing, and able, to ignore all common sense and decency when it comes to having their way. Congress is too weak and worried about their jobs and entitlements to do the right thing, and if all else fails, Obama will trot out his shiny “executive order” pen and “do the right thing” as he sees it. I have no doubt that he will try just that, and Republicans will grumble, but do NOTHING to stop or reverse it. Heck, O bypassed the congress and the supreme court to grant illegals amnesty and they did nothing, what makes you think congress will do anything when he bans guns, imposes the taxes he wants, does away with presidential term limits, and whatever else he chooses to do?

  • davesinsanantonio

    But, you can never count on politicians to do the right thing. Statesmen, maybe. But, politicians? Never! That is why the Founders insisted on the Second Amendment, they understood human nature, and provided a way for We the People to protect ourselves from our government. And, that is what the Second is all about!!! We the People are still in charge of making it work, and so it is OUR responsibility to insure that the Congress doesn’t give away those rights. Write or call your congress critters today and tell them to stand strong. Even if they are Dims, they still need to be told!

  • celador2

    What I do not like about ‘locking up nut jobs’ is that that task through its process can be subjective and abused as it was in Soviet Union and China. China has little crime today.

    Lock up someone who is a political opponent and define them as crazy and a danger is too easy to do. In fact DHS has some profiles that makeme nervous. Janet thinks pro lifers and pro Second amendment supporters like us may be terror threats.

  • banjojack1956

    I can offer one common sense solution that would at least partially alleviate the problem… my wife and I both carry, and own a number of firearms.With the exception of our carry guns in our physical control, the others are locked in a heavy steel safe which is in turn through bolted to the floor. We have a more secure arrangement than a lot of sporting goods places I’ve seen, Have you noticed how many of these shootings occur using stolen weapons? Rights carry responsibilities- know your weapons, know the law, secure your weapons. Common sense.

  • Rusty_S

    Nah, that’ll keep them busy for a while.

  • Mars the Avenger

    Here is why we must maintain our Second Amendment rights. Supreme Court decisions going back to South vs. Maryland in 1856 have
    established that we as citizens have no constitutional right to police
    protection, even in the case of there being a restraining order, as
    happened in the most recent decision in 2005 in the case Castle Rock vs.
    Gonzales. In 1982, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals upheld this in
    the case of Bowers vs. DeVito, ruling that “…there is
    no Constitutional right to be protected by the state against being

    murdered by criminals or madmen.” Decisions on the matter since
    then up through 2005 have upheld this. The below NY Times article
    explains.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0

    The choice is to remain disarmed and dependent on the goodwill of
    911, or to learn self defense, including learning how to use a firearm.
    Those who wish to control or ban firearms are either unaware of this or
    deliberately ignore this and depend on the ignorance of others to push
    their case.

    Responsible ownership of firearms depends on instruction on their
    capabilities, their use and a healthy respect for what they can do.

    “When second count, the police are minutes away…”

  • emptypockets

    Assisted suicide. Abortion on demand. Politicians like Obama voting against laws that would require medical staff to render care to babies that survive their abortion. A massive “health care” law that will have bureaucrats deciding who will get medical care and what kind…help to improve or take the pill”, as Obama said. A catch and release justice system where too many criminals are released with little punishment–free to create more victims. The known criminals apparently more valuable to society than the innocent unborn children. We have systematically devalued life. Add in that education has worked hard for decades to switch from teaching the kids WHAT to think instead of HOW to think so those kids don’t know how to reason things out. How to separate the conflicting messages so they make any sense.

    Difficult enough for those without mental problems. But even for those who have “stable” minds, as we continue to devalue life, more lives will have no value…

    The constant friction, fighting, division, hatred, FEAR dumped on us by our so-called “leaders” via a miserable excuse for “newspeople”, all are feeding the negative side of our national spirit and simultaneously attacking and muzzling any public expression of faith that could counter the negatives.

    We’ve also, as a society allowed the systematic destruction of family, the real “infrastructure” that matters.

    The shooter was created by flawed, long-standing social policies, a mold that should be smashed. Guns were merely the tools he chose. Cain didn’t need a gun to kill Abel.

  • satchman3

    Even if they can’t carry a gun can they not carry pepper spray or at least a pocket knife? People need to take a more active role in their personal safety – that’s one lesson I take from these terrible tragedies.

  • http://www.plumbbobblog.com Plumb_Bob

    We survived the last assault weapons ban. Since “assault weapons” is a scare-word fiction anyhow, nothing gets banned in practice. Of course, nothing gets accomplished, either, except liberals feeeeeeel good again, like they’ve actually done something useful.

    But, yes, I would much prefer that we divert the discussion into things that actually might improve matters — like reforming laws allowing parents to deal with their mentally ill children, restoring the asylums that used to exist for such people, and eliminating “gun-free zones,” which have been the location of every mass killing since their creation.

  • http://www.plumbbobblog.com Plumb_Bob

    That’s a worthwhile caution, but the asylums that were dismantled in the 1970s really were a far better solution that anything we have today. That system should be resurrected, and the laws returned to status quo ante. We can then write the laws that will make it difficult for citizens not related to the subject to prove “harm” on the basis of political opinion.

  • mhorner

    Excellent discussions here. One thing is very obvious. If you don’t have a gun and the bad guy does, you are going to die along with your loved ones. How many movies have we sat through wherein the occupants of a house have sat shivering in a closet hoping that the armed intruders will not find them? The pilots of the four doomed airliners on 9/11 were absolutely defenseless against the hijackers who only had boxcutters. If each of these four pilots had been armed thousands of wonderful people would still be alive today and the Twin Towers would still be standing. A gun is a defensive weapon and has saved thousands, if not millions of lives, over time. Regarding so-called “Assault Rifles” we should remember that the Second Amendment is not about hunting or even protecting our home against a single intruder, its purpose is to protect us from our own government. If our government decides to move against us, and this is becoming more and more likely with Obama, they are not going to limit themselves to single shot rifles. We should have the right to protect ourselves from our government with whatever weaponry we feel is appropriate.

  • vandalii

    Umm, you’ve heard the adage “don’t bring a knife to a gunfight”? Not trying to be belligerant or condescending, just providing perspective. When we took Tae Kwon Do as a family years ago, in the self-defense training surrounding weapons, the first thing our instructor said is, “Expect to get cut, hit or shot. If you recognize it won’t be like the movies where the stab doesn’t really hurt, you’re in a better position to handle the situation and escape”. Teachers don’t get that kind of training in college (maybe weapons training should be a new req’t for teacher certification?)

    All that to say pepper spray might have proved useful, a knife would not — knife would just provoke a trigger pull while might surprise the gunman with pepper spray.

  • kb3mkd

    When an action is being taken against my family, the police are not the first responders. I am.

  • gawken

    I am very curious to learn one simple fact; did Mrs. Lanza have a gun safe in her home. She obviously could afford one. We are starting to learn more about her, and how she was becoming somewhat withdrawn, because she was having difficulty dealing with her son, as he came of age. He was getting ready to drive a car, and was contemplating moving out of the home to attend college. She was all too aware of his psychological problems, and yet if she left the weapons unsecured in the home, then, sadly, this is all her fault. Period. OTOH, it’s quite possible that she had a gun safe, had them locked, and her son, a computer/tech whiz, could likely have managed to obtain the combination.

    One wonders also if the father, who appears to have had minimal contact with his son since the divorce, was aware of his ex-wife’s newly revived interest in firearms and shooting, that his son was participating with his mother, and if he approved of his son engaging in the sport.

  • lightfootletters

    I am not one to blame the car and not the driver. But, you missed the point. Was the suicidal killer born that way or did we as a society make him that way, especially if he was already having issues of self worth. Possibly you do not remember a time when there were no metal detectors, there were no police officers assigned to each campus, there was no diversity training that forces young males to think and act alike or be shunned, there was no separatist segregation groups like the Mexican Student Union or the Black Student Union etc., nor segrationist studies based on skin color or sex, there were no teachers forcing little boys at an early age to act more like little girls, no teachers forcing young boys to accept gay sex or any other life style that they could not accept, public employees did not demean you or your faith, there were no teachers unions that stop any legislation that makes it easy to get rid of teachers that sexually assault and molest their young wards and the list of political correctness and public employee corruption is endless. Are these some of the reasons for some young males to explode at some point. I do not know. But, the more political correctness we get the more violence we get. That is a fact. The President and The Public Employee Democrat Party Complex, from the President and Congress to your local school board, should at least consider their own policies must be part of the problem !?
    Lightfoot Letters

  • blh557

    In addition to vandali’s comment it might be notable to point out that in most “gun free zones” (read: shooting galleries for the insane murderer) non-lethal weapons, like pepper spray, are also illegal. I don’t know about this particular incident, however, the point remains: a gun free zone does not a crime-free zone make.

  • blh557

    The question is: who will teach them? I think you know the answer to that one.

  • adeleintexas

    Never have truer – AND – more deeply appreciated words been written than, “So, as they begin their ritual descent into bathing in the blood of children about whom they wouldn’t care were they just inside the birth canal…”

    Thank you for refusing to ignore and give a pass to the utter hypocrisy of the Left in ongoing campaign to control the rest of us by means of contrived and very disingenuous concern. The veneer of liberal compassion is thin enough to see through, and the sight is disgusting.

  • hwood007

    I really enjoy reading history, it repeats itself from time
    to time as it tries to get us to comprehend the lessons of the past. When our Constitution was written, the
    ratification of it was having problems. Various
    states noted things that were missing. To
    correct what was determined to be left out, the first ten amendments were
    added. After those ten amendments were
    added, the ratification progress was
    completed. Do enough reading to discover
    why our ancestors thought each of them were important.

    The history of the first amendment is rift with the
    religious history of the countries in Europe, most of
    which had a state church. The English
    church used to be the same church as in France
    and Italy. The English king needed a religion which
    would allow him to divorce his wife and select a new wife, so the church of
    England was created.

    #Thus our first amendment, it does not allow our country to
    select a state religion and recognizes the right of all churches to exist
    without government influence or control.
    A funny thing happened in Massachusetts, the colony wanted to have one religion and to
    ban others from the colony. Ever wonder
    how Rhode island started?

    In April of 1775, British soldiers marched on Concord
    and Lexington to confiscate the
    weapons stored there, which belonged to the local population. The Tea Party in Boston
    harbor caused the English Crown to make a decision to control who had weapons.

    #Thus, our second amendment,
    it says we are allowed to have weapons because the defense of the country
    is in the hands of the militia, i.e. the local citizens, you and I.

    I will assume this does not limit me to muskets, the
    infantry weapon of 1775. I may need the
    infantry weapon of 2012 in order to be
    effective. There may also be an implied
    right to defend myself from my own government if it begins to operate outside
    of the law, which I trust will never be needed.

    Then there was the new British law (the Intolerable Acts)
    allowing British troops to be housed in local colony homes without any cause. The families in those homes were housing and
    feeding soldiers without any government reimbursement. I think the term eating us out of house and
    home must have started then. Violent criminals were no longer to be tried in
    the colonies, but were to be sent back to England
    (no jury of your peers there). Did you know black men had the vote years before
    white women?

    #Thus, our third, fourth, fifth, and sixth amendments, it
    says soldiers can not be housed against our wishes in our homes. We are to be secure in our persons, homes,
    papers, and effects against unreasonable seizures and searches and a trial by
    our peers, no drones allowed over private property.

    If you read our history and consider our first ten
    amendments, you can find the source of each of them and understand why the
    states would not ratify the constitution without them. At one time, an English law, the Quebec Act,
    extended the borders of Canada
    far enough south to encompass the Ohio River valley,
    making the farmers there residents of Canada,
    thus loosing their representation in the local colony government.

    Can you image the people of Syria
    fighting for freedom from their dictator with the same type of weapons we used.
    1775? Laws need to grow a bit. I am not able to fight a war of 2012 with the
    weapon to 1812. Not saying I need an
    automatic AK47, but I may need a semi-automatic something. I may need three quick rounds to bring down
    that bear or deer. My bolt action long
    rifle can not shoot quick enough to take down a charging bear nor is it quick
    enough to shoot a second round at a deer. While my war trophy Tokarev may bring down a
    human, I am not sure about a bear.

    Here are the violent (not gun) crime rates for some
    countries;

    UK=2034; South
    Africa= 1609; Canada=
    935; US=446; Australia=92.

    This is not the raw number, it is the number per 100,000 population, lots of
    things can kill people,

    knives, bats, blow guns, a #2 pencil, and horse shoes can all kill people, this
    is how many were killed in each country per 100,000 citizens. Look up which
    countries have strict ban on guns and you will find the UK. I have friends there, I should ask what
    weapons are being used. I have a
    Mountainyard cross-bow in the attic, arrows dipped in something, I would not
    depend on that thing still working?

    I wonder how well gun control is working in Chicago? I bet more black children have died there of
    gun shot wounds in the last year than have died in CT during the last hundred
    years. Are those children not as
    valuable as any other?

    I am retired military, I was trained in several skills. I was a counter intelligence agent in the US Army, MOS 971AH. One skill was defense against methods of entry (DAME), I was taught how to penetrate a target in order to defend against such a thing. I
    was also taught the art of foot and auto surveillance, by MI6, in order to
    become immune to such a thing, I was liaison to them in Berlin. Schools should have someone like me conduct a survey of each school to discover each weak point in their security and present a plan to management of how to prevent entry by unauthorized persons.

    I would suggest hiring and training people such as retired
    civilian police, military police, and others with gun training, to be the
    security patrol for the local school systems.
    These men or women, one per school, would be official officers of the
    law, would carry a side arm in the small of their back, would dress in civilian
    clothes, they would rotate visiting each school in the local system several
    times every school day. Being retired, they
    could work at a lower wage and if one were out sick, each school would still
    have overage.

    The elementary school within sound of my house has an
    unlocked front door into the school office where a visitor signs in, but has a
    locked hall door preventing entry into the school proper unless released
    electronically by an office person. Some older schools have yet to build this system.
    I am a Master Gardner and visit elementary schools to give classes. I filled out papers and had a background check by local police in order to work with school kids. I also had a security clearance when in the military.

    Seek out some additional ideas to allow several solutions from which to choose and let us know.

  • ihateliberals

    Mr Crown kudos onyour article. This is exactly the question the needs to be asked of all gun laws because gun laws don’t work. Even in countries where guns are totally band
    there is still gun violence. the crime this young man committed just happened to be with a gun. Places in Africa have had similar crimes they were committed in a much great heinous manner, with Machetes! People just can’t get it through their heads it’s the crime tha tis the problem not the method in which it is carried out. Gun control laws are like
    putting a band aid on your finger to prevent getting a cut. It’s never going to work.

  • sliverlining

    I’ll start reacting to news stories when the selection includes even a semblance of an attempt to find facts, wait for 2 minutes before rendering opinion, show SOMETHING beyond ratings grabs.

    Things like failed mass shooting because a regular guy pulled his CCW-legal handgun and stopped the crazy merde-for-brains. The lefty crap that passes (and I empathize “passes”) for news is nearly always propaganda.

    By the time a story like this one shows up on their radar, the uncaring greedy-for-ratings media and their drooling Pavlovian readers know in advance who to damn, who to love, why and who should weep, why and who should fear for their future, etc.
    It sickens me each and every time.

    That phrase should tell you something right there: “each and every time”
    The media has sickened me before and obviously will continue again and again.

  • Thomas Crown

    I am at a total loss to respond, as I cannot fathom how you took this piece as anything other than a suggestion that gun control laws don’t work against evil or crazy or both people who want to kill others.

  • sliverlining

    hwood007
    I liked your reply. It’s tough to ferret out the good long ones from the blowhard rantings.
    Yours was interesting and articulate. The logic is sound about the retired cop or other suitable person being on some kind of rotation. Fresh eyes and all that plus it adds a little non-routine element to the surveillance.
    I, too, have some Brits I call friends. They have interesting views on gun control that I hear from them while we shoot. We have a sort of informal gun club. Crime is most definitely a problem in the UK. All kinds of crime.

    Sliverlining

  • celador2

    Without the Secoind we would not be the United States.

    The US was designed as a self governing republic in 1787-88. We derive our Rights from GOD’s gifts and the Second Amendment, the right to bear arms, was preexisitng in colonial times. Thus, our beloved Second amendment was deeply embedded in the new republicans iideas and practice of freedom and self protection.

    We would not meddle abroad in foreign affairs but have a citizens milita run thrugh the states if attacked as general policy. We needed men and now women to populate the National guard orstate militia as we are an army of citizen soldiers. We still are citizen soldiers and defenders of our communities, and must protect the Second. We do have professionals as military but the Guard also serve our military needs. The original system re Second as designed by founder Madison and others remains.(Slave states feared the US would use a standing army to invade and free slaves)

    GOD gave us rights ; we have no choice but to fight the opponents diminishning the right to bear arms. There are but two acceptable processes to change Second iif they are so inclined.

    Either One, the people through constitutional convention or second, constitutional amendment change the Second. No court , chief executive or DC law can alter its intent as the lawmakers alone lack the authority to relax a Right. imo

    .

    .

  • vandalii

    Never let a crisis go to waste… :-(

  • rightlane1111

    I am very sorry about the people killed…that stated….long and short of it….Switzerland….0 gun violence…Kennesaw, GA (USA)…gun violence down significantly. On the other hand…let’s look at two cities…CHICAGO…gun control … how’s that working….or NYC…how’s bloomberg handling that problem with his restrictions.

  • rcsjr2

    The sweeping federal changes in gun law post JFK tragedy should be a reminder to those unfamiliar with their intent that no amount of legal wrangling will deter anyone with such evil in their heart. Better to address the social issues that would create such a monster.

  • denverkitty

    diamond…you’re not the only one who’s apprehensive. Obama has a huge following of black people. On the radio today, I heard Crissy Matthews’ rant about how ALL of the Founding Fathers owned slaves. His rant gives blacks the idea that the Constitution should be ignored, trashed/burned. It brings to mind the poster I saw of Obama burning the Constitution. It’s horrifying. I don’t believe Obama is sane. I saw something recently that said, “Never underestimate the Power of Stupid people in large groups.”. We The People are being surrounded. We may, indeed, be heading toward a 2nd Civil War. If you don’t have weaponry, you’d better get armed…fast.

  • denverkitty

    1stRichard…”moonbat”…love it; says so much more than “idiot”. Do you mind if I add that to my personal dictionary?

  • denverkitty

    emptypockets: You just earned “Comment of the Day”! Gratz!!

  • denverkitty

    davesinsa: I’ve never heard it said better. I spoke to a woman who said, “there is nothing we can do until they come to our doors…then not stop shooting until ammo is gone, the gun smokes, or her death”. Scary premise…but is it the coming “reality”?

  • denverkitty

    …except that Obama uses Executive Orders like NO former President ever has…and he’s as insane as a March hare.

  • diamondreo

    …well…i wouldn’t worry too much…we’ve got 2016 comin’ ……..and until then….we’ve got the house of representatives…we should be alright…

  • dpmaine

    WEll, the mom who was shot in the face, and her guns stolen, certainly would disagree that her guns were not stolen.

  • funwithknives

    I have not watched any news and have not since Friday, excepting Bair last night in fits and starts.
    [dancing around with Mr. Remote, shifting away from anything to do with NewTown]
    The paranoia you speak of could be what is driving me. The instant I heard about this, I knew for certain it was going to be an intensely more covered version of every tragedy like this, that has occcurred before.
    A school, teachers, children, his mother, his ungodly,otherwordly appearance.
    When OK-BOMB occurred in the 90′s, for days on end we heard eternal screaming shouts for more gun control and nary a bullet was used, or gun was seen.
    Now Progressivism has it’s victims, and will use them to maximal effect. Like socialism and communism, Death is always a useful tool.
    Emotion will be used to Pump-Prime this topic, and we’ll witness reason, logic, established facts, and Pre-Existing, Creator-Given rights get spun into the “dumper”.
    Remember when TEA-Pers were called Racists with no substance or real substantiated proof ? Surely you all do, as it only happened short months ago.
    Well, gird yourselves for ‘Edition 2.0.’ Be surprised at nothing you see or hear. Gun owners are about to become The Devil incarnate , (if secularists believe in that kinda’ stuff…)

  • celador2

    That quote has a nice ring to it. Thanks

  • jp82

    banjojack1956

    I see what you are saying and agree with you. Your point about having your carry guns in your physical control is also right on. What worries me is the idea that we
    must have trigger locks and separate places for all our guns and ammo. What the
    hell good is having them if you must fiddle around to find and load them with
    yours and your family’s life in the balance?

    Again I’m using your post not to criticize you but to ask others their understanding
    of such boneheaded suggestions.

  • celador2

    hwood,Thank you for this dense historical postt that gives us context for our Second amendment and why we have it, The Second is part of us and why we are designed as we are including the Bill of Rights. We’d not be the US without it and the Bill of Rights as guarantees for liberty.

    Also hiring retired military police in the know is the way to go for building security, yes sir. Thanks again for that post.

  • diamondreo

    …don’t spread it around too much…it could knock down a HUGE house of cards…people could get hurt…

  • celador2

    I see a scenario when a group of kids some big and other just agile overpower the shooter perp and stab him using overwhelming force no restraint. The little ones grab his knees and trip him while the larger students stab and disarm. The shooter was not a large body build.. His power was surprise and control of the turkey shoot.

    Once occupants of a building know that the perpetrator’s scenario is not inevitable, they can fight back with what they have.

    It will be much easier to allow weapons bck into a building and sprays for students than firearms. Firearms would be idea lfor designated adults skilled and able and that must happen. But the kids have to feel that can do more than cower and hide and play dead.

  • noreastern

    So the issue is gun safes? Trigger locks? Or that anyone with internet access can hook themselves up to a dealer and for $2000 have a fully functional military M16 delivered by Fedex to their house?

  • checkmate2012

    I second that- great comment!

  • Melody Warbington

    How do you know he was “given” access to guns? Reports now are that
    Lanza’s mother was planning to commit him for help because she could no
    longer take care of him on her own. That doesn’t sound like a careless
    mother.

  • Dave_A

    The issue is individual responsibility & government not telling people they are not allowed to protect themselves ‘for their own protection’.

    And you cannot get *ANY* guns delivered to your house by FedEx unless you are a FFL (Federal Firearms Licensee) dealer & your house is your ‘licensed’ premises. Licensed collectors (a cheaper version of the dealer license) can get *historical* firearms delivered to their house, but they must account for them as if they were dealers…

    A fully functional, military M16 costs an unlicensed (eg, not a licensed dealer) civilian between $10,000 and 16,000 (if your state allows them – CT does not) plus fingerprinting, a ‘not instant’ FBI background check, $200 transfer tax, and dealer transfer fees.. Plus you must get your local sheriff or police chief to sign off on the purchase, and the gun must have been manufactured and registered prior to May, 1986.

    All of the automatic weapons legally in private hands are owned by law-abiding collectors, and only 1 has been used in a crime since 1934.

    Selling guns by fedex – even a single 6-shooter revolver – to someone without a dealer license, is a federal felony.

  • aristotle6

    Because “gun control” in Connecticut is way, way too permissive. You are just setting up your own cute little standard of what is “tough” gun control when all current rules are just watered down by a rabid gun lobby. You want to see gun control , then look to the rules in Australia, England and Japan and get back to me. Your argument is transparent to anyone who thinks thru the issue.

  • Bill S

    These articles are great for flushing out the lefttrolls.

    Bye.

  • Bill S

    Consider the source.

  • 1stRichard

    You are also welcome to this song about them as well…

    http://youtu.be/BYI44RaoObw

  • celador2

    Gun control was not in place when Second amendment a right to bear arms was added to the constutution. An armed populae was already established in the colonies and revolutionary war.

    The constitution 1787-88 is a design for self governmnent with Rights ennumerated. To give away, to take away a Right is to admit this repubklic is incapable of self government, And a Right is a guarantee of liibrty from the government’s infringement.

    Take away a right and that establishes a police state or antother form a nanny state to take a republic’s place.
    For our own good, is that why so many Democrats would give away all the gains made 1774-1787?

    Of course no one can give away a right ,said Sup Ct in a public houusing case in Chicago years ago on no knock and police kicking in doors. But they are taking away a right now and calling it something else. The republic’s design and therefore premise for existence is the vicitm in this latest round of gun control.