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Gun Control, Gun Rights, Gun Politics and Newtown: Part I of II

The Second Amendment, the NRA and The Gun Banners

The school shooting atrocity in Newtown, Connecticut has, predictably, touched off another round of the perennial gun-control debate. Especially for parents of young children (my youngest is the same age as most of the victims), the horror of the shootings is almost beyond description, and tends to make rational discussion impossible. And also unseemly, as Jonah Goldberg has explained. More to the point, this is one of those issues where the public demands foolproof solutions that remain elusive: we keep saying “never again” after mass shootings, terrorist attacks, and all sorts of other manmade and supposedly preventable disasters, but there’s never a perfect answer that guarantees that any such thing will never happen again (this is, for example, why anti-terrorism policies are best focused on terrorist organizations rather than lone nuts). We can only and always base public policy proposals on what will reasonably improve the situation without imposing costs we can’t live with.

The reality of no perfect or costless solutions lends both a hysterical quality to the gun debate as well as a one-sided burden of proof. Gun control advocates suggest a goal (the complete non-existence of firearms) that is not politically, legally or practically possible, and argue that opponents of any gun control measure show how their alternative would be 100% effective by comparison to a gun control utopia that doesn’t and never will exist. In a more rational, realistic debate, you would compare the actual proposed gun controls to a world without those proposals – and in that rational world, the first question for gun control advocates after Newtown is why gun control in Connecticut didn’t work after the Brady Campaign hailed the state’s tough gun laws as a model of public safety. Gun control – complete with an “assault weapons ban,” waiting periods, background checks, “gun free school zone” laws and the rest – was already tried in Connecticut, and it failed to make a difference. If Newtown means anything in the gun debate, it’s that gun control doesn’t work.

The trenches are long-since dug on both sides; if you can find clips of Archie Bunker discussing an issue on YouTube, chances are that we have already had a “national conversation” about that issue. Of course, changing the culture can be at least as important as changing the law, so it is certainly helpful to look again at how we handle things like responsible gun ownership and mental illness (besides the shooter himself, his mother bears responsibility for having firearms under the same roof with such a mentally unbalanced young man). If there’s one valuable service the NRA could provide in this debate – and Wayne LaPierre’s ham-handed press conference failed to provide – it is stepping up the cultural battle to engage responsible gun owners outside of government.

But both advocates and opponents of gun control tend to fall too easily into knee-jerk slogans that go too far. It is no less true for being a truism, for example, that guns don’t kill people, people kill people, and that we don’t get nearly as many calls for controlling, say, knives or baseball bats when they are misused. But it is also true that guns are the most efficient, portable, and cost-effective killing tools we have: that’s exactly why they remain the weapon of choice for soldiers, cops, criminals, and hunters all over the world (and why the right to own a gun matters). There’s a strong case that good people with guns can be a more effective answer to armed criminals than gun control; gun control advocates are almost invariably willfully blind to the value of this. But that doesn’t mean that proposals to arm everyone, everywhere are a good idea with no costs or a perfect, foolproof solution. It does no good for defenders of gun rights to overstate their arguments, any more than it helps proponents of gun control to ignore the costs and limitations of gun control or to react with incredulity to the idea that the Constitution means what it says. Frankly, if your approach to the Second Amendment is to laugh and ignore it, I’m not going to trust you to take the rest of the Bill of Rights seriously either.

I am probably a lot less pro-gun, and a lot less interested in guns, than most conservatives; I’ve never owned, fired or even held a gun, and personally I could be perfectly happy keeping it that way. I’d be personally content to live in a world with no guns at all. And I’m open to supporting reasonable gun regulations where there is reason to believe they will have more than just symbolic effects. But I also respect practical reality, the Constitution, and the rights of other people to freedoms that aren’t personally important to me. A few thoughts and observations on guns, Newtown and the way forward:

The NRA and the History of Gun Control

The NRA, as the nation’s most vocal guardian of the right to own a gun, naturally comes in for a lot of abuse after any major shooting, and its leadership sometimes doesn’t help the cause (there’s a reason why small-government conservatives have battled at times with the NRA, and why the Gun Owners of America exists). But much of the effort to paint the NRA as some sort of moneyed special interest that buys its influence ignores the group’s structure and history: it’s a consumer group of gun owners, not the trade association of gun manufacturers. As Frank Fleming noted on Twitter, “[p]eople don’t support gun rights because the NRA is so powerful; the NRA is so powerful because people support gun rights.” It would have faded years ago without that grassroots support. Brian Palmer at Slate explains where the NRA came from and how it got into politics in the first place:

For the most part, the NRA’s lobbying arm didn’t gin up the emotional fervor of firearms advocates – it resulted from it. The NRA was founded shortly after the Civil War by Union veterans who felt the Confederacy only lasted as long as it did because of the Southerners’ superior marksmanship. For nearly a century, the NRA catered to competitive shooters and merely dabbled in politics. As with so many other American cultural issues, things changed in the 1960s. Crime soared. Armed members of the Black Panthers began following police officers around American cities. Riots broke out in Newark and Detroit, and some government officials blamed easy access to guns. Assassins killed two Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King Jr. In 1968, under pressure from terrified constituents, Congress passed the first major gun control legislation since the 1930s. A backlash ensued, as American firearms enthusiasts feared the government planned to take their guns. They pushed the relatively apolitical NRA to lobby on their behalf. When the leadership balked in 1977, a group of activists staged a coup. The new leaders commissioned a poll, which found that lobbying was the members’ biggest priority. They turned the group into a political force, with the Second Amendment as their bible.

This is much like the history of the abortion issue, in which heavy-handed liberals created an ideological opposition where none had existed before the 1960s. And as with abortion, the history of gun control in the U.S. begins with an explicitly racist agenda. UCLA law professor Adam Winkler observes:

America’s most horrific racist organization, the Ku Klux Klan, began with gun control at the very top of its agenda. Before the Civil War, blacks in the South had never been allowed to possess guns. During the war, however, blacks obtained guns for the first time. Some served as soldiers in black units in the Union Army, which allowed its men, black and white, to take their guns home with them as partial payment of past due wages. Other Southern blacks bought guns in the underground marketplace, which was flooded with firearms produced for the war.

After the war, Southern states adopted discriminatory laws like the Black Codes, which among other things barred the freedmen from having guns. Racist whites began to form posses that would go out at night to terrorize blacks – and take away those newly obtained firearms….Whites believed that they had to confiscate black people’s guns in order to reestablish white supremacy and prevent blacks from fighting back. Blacks who refused to turn over their only means of self-defense were lynched.

Overly aggressive gun control often sparks a backlash, and that’s exactly what happened after the Civil War. Determined to protect the freedmen’s rights, Congress passed legislation like the Freedmen’s Bureau Act [which] stated, blacks were entitled to “the full and equal benefit of all laws… concerning personal security… including the constitutional right to bear arms.”

Fordham University law professor Nicholas Johnson notes how well-known this history once was in the black community:

Kentucky firebrand Ida B. Wells urged that “the Winchester rifle deserved a place of honor in every Negro home.” The first generation of legal battles by the NAACP were centered on defending Blacks who had used firearms in self-defense – e.g., hiring Clarence Darrow to defend Dr. Ossian Sweet who was mobbed for attempting move into a white neighborhood

….Frederick Douglass…recommended “a good revolver as the best response to the slave catcher.”

As Winkler notes, even the NRA itself turned away from its history to help devise the first gun-licensing laws in the 1920s, designed to keep immigrants from obtaining guns. And as he explained in a 2011 article for The Atlantic, the modern gun control movement was as much a response to the Black Panthers as anything.

The NRA’s position since the 1970s may seem unduly uncompromising – but it’s also more respectful of equal civil rights. And while we have thankfully moved on from the age of organized hate crimes, Jim Crow, and secession, they are not such distant memories to make us smug about the assurance that nobody in America need ever worry again about the need for protection against fellow Americans.

Guns are also the great equalizer, in a way that can be of importance to women and the elderly, particularly in high-crime areas or when traveling alone at night. Most crime is committed by men, disproportionately young men who are often physically stronger than their victims. Guns, far more than any other weapon, place women on an equal footing with their assailants. Just as today, the Founding Fathers’ generation understood this: I’ve recently been reading HW Brands’ sterling biography of Benjamin Franklin, and one of the anecdotes in the book recounts how Franklin’s wife prepared with the family gun to defend their home (while Ben was away in England) from a rampaging anti-Stamp Act mob.

Moreover, harken back to the original idea of the NRA: to teach marksmanship skills that could later be used in military service to the nation. In an age of all-volunteer militaries, this is a particularly important point: I don’t know whether anyone has formally studied the issue, but just from anecdotal experience I’d be willing to bet that young men and women who grow up with a gun in the household are much more likely to volunteer for military service, especially in the Army or Marine Corps. Which brings us to the Second Amendment – why we have one, what it means, and why it matters.

What Is The Second Amendment?

As you probably know, the Second Amendment to the US Constitution – adopted in 1791, and ceding pride of place in the Bill of Rights only to the freedoms of speech, religion and assembly – states that “[a] well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

A similar provision appears in the bills of rights of 43 states, including states that adopted them prior to 1791. Hunting – and in some parts of the country, protection from dangerous wildlife like wolves and bears – is a major reason why guns are popular, widespread and useful. But the Founding Fathers did not put the right to bear arms in the Bill of Rights because they were worried about restrictions on hunting. It is a political right: the right to bear arms in defense of one’s self, home, and state against intruders of all kinds, up to and including the national government, foreign invaders, secessionists or domestic hate groups like the Klan. I can’t really explain why better than this spellbinding Newt Gingrich address to the NRA in 2011, especially the ten minutes starting around 4:50:

The men who wrote the Bill of Rights did not include the Second Amendment as an oversight or a rhetorical flourish; as Newt explains, the history of the right to bear arms was real, vivid and a life-or-death matter to them and one they saw as “necessary to the security of a free State.” Madison in Federalist No. 46 explicitly argued at length that an armed citizenry would protect even against our own federal government:

[Compared to the small federal military Madison envisioned] would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it. Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors.

Madison would, it turns out, underestimate the federal government, which would go on over the next 80 years or so to impose its will on all manner of armed citizens – the Whiskey Rebellion, John Brown’s abolitionists, the Confederate Army, the Mormons. (Nat Turner’s slave rebellion was conducted without firearms, with predictable lack of success).

Madison’s Constitution – even before its inclusion of an express right to bear arms – already contained other provisions relating to the citizen Militia, over which Congress was given specific but not plenary powers:

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress

The President’s Commander-in-Chief power is likewise explicitly extended to “Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States.” And immediately following the adoption of the Second Amendment, the Congress of the Founding generation used the authority granted in the Militia clause:

A 1792 federal law mandated every eligible man to purchase a military-style gun and ammunition for his service in the citizen militia. Such men had to report for frequent musters – where their guns would be inspected and, yes, registered on public rolls.

The Supreme Court has recently affirmed, in two landmark cases (DC v. Heller and McDonald v Chicago), a conclusion supported by extensive scholarship: that the Second Amendment protects an individual right, one that exists regardless of whether an individual has been called into militia service. (I have argued before that it may also protect a state’s right to permit or promote gun ownership within its own borders). I won’t rehash the ins and outs of the argument here except to note that a huge majority of the liberal commentary on the issue basically amounts to laughing and saying “that can’t be true!” rather than actually investigating the facts and the history of the right (not for nothing has Second Amendment scholarship been dominated in recent decades by the pro-gun-rights scholars). The failure to take the Constitution seriously is one that continues to plague the gun control movement.

But what “Arms” are protected? Given the political purpose of the right and its intimate connection to national defense – and how Congress read the Militia clause in 1792 – it is illogical in the extreme to argue that “assault weapons” or “military-style weapons” or some such are not covered. The entire point of the Second Amendment is to ensure that citizens could be armed and ready to be converted, on short notice (think: “minutemen”) into a military force. In 1791, that meant the standard equipment of an infantryman of the day, a musket or rifle and likely a bayonet. (Veterans of the savage fighting at Bunker Hill would scoff ruefully at the notion that muskets were not “assault weapons”). Of course, even the colonial militia only had a right to possess infantry weapons; even in the 18th century, the militiamen owned muskets and rifles individually, but the town or state collectively owned the cannons. No serious reading of the Second Amendment would protect your right to own artillery, tanks or fighter jets. It is a fair question where or whether there is any limit to what kind of infantry-style weapons (rifle, sidearm, etc.) would count as “Arms” under the Second Amendment, but the mere description of a weapon as a military-style rifle makes it more rather than less likely that it would be the sort of thing the right was written to protect (indeed, the gun control side argued – unsuccessfully – in Heller that handguns were not protected because they were not of sufficient military use).

By contrast, the Second Amendment specifically speaks of the militia being “well-regulated” and gives to Congress explicit powers relating to that regulation. That makes the right to bear arms less like the more absolute rights to free speech and free exercise of religion (about which “Congress shall make no law”) and more like the right against searches and seizures, which the Fourth Amendment bans only when “unreasonable.” Indeed, Congress used that authority in 1792 to require gun registration and ownership. The obvious conclusion is that, while neither Congress nor the states can properly bar the ownership or possession of any class of guns, one or both may impose reasonable regulations. Again, we can argue about the limits of what kind of regulation is wise or permitted – I personally tend to support background checks, limited waiting periods and even a gun registry – but there’s no particular reason to believe that the Second Amendment is intended to present a meaningful obstacle to such regulations of the right.

(Gun owners often argue that a state or national gun registry would make confiscating guns easier. That’s true, but we don’t prevent the government from licensing the broadcasting spectrum or knowing where newspapers are published, because we have a tradition of respecting freedom of speech. If we took the Second Amendment more seriously, we might have less paranoia around regulating gun ownership).

Ban…What?

Even aside from the Constitution, in considering how changes in the law would play out, a little perspective should be in order from all sides. First of all, it is simply not the case that a ban on all guns is politically possible in the United States; even a Washington Post snap poll after the shootings found 71% of Americans opposed, and 56% strongly opposed, to a total gun ban.

Moreover, we know from long experience that when you ban something there’s a public demand for, it gets less common, more expensive and more under the control of the criminal class – but it doesn’t go away entirely. That’s true whether you are talking about guns, alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, gambling, abortion, prostitution, pornography, or illegal immigration. That’s not a reason to give up on banning any bad things, but it means that you have to look down the road at what you do next, and in this case that’s a world where the illegal gun population would not decline nearly as much as the legal gun population. There may be something like 300 million guns already out there in the U.S., which can not feasibly be confiscated. If you like the War on Drugs, you’d love a War on Guns. Moreover, long experience with restrictive gun control, as in Chicago, suggests that criminals are much more likely to endure the risks and expenses of buying illegal guns, tilting the playing field further against law-abiding citizens.

This is why a mass shooting is the perfect storm for gun control advocates: the debate on guns and crime or even guns and terrorism is a losing one for them, because people easily grasp that gun bans don’t make a dent in guns owned by the bad guys and that the better path is to crack down on the criminals, not the guns. Criminals will always make the extra effort to get illegal guns; terrorists are just as happy to use bombs; suicides and crimes of passion will just as easily reach for whatever stands at hand. Ben Domenech has a must-read roundup of what we know and have learned about both gun control and mass shootings, and it’s not a record that inspires confidence in the superiority of the gun control approach.

What is more likely to be proposed is some form of “assault weapons ban.” But we know from experience of the Clinton-era ban that the final legislation is likely to be shot through with nonsensical distinctions drawn from the difficulties of defining what it is that the statute aims to ban. It is sadly the case that a huge amount of the gun control debate is driven by liberals and journalists with little or no personal experience with guns, and therefore no concept of how to draw the distinctions at issue. Tim Carney, as part of a larger explainer on the various distinctions (“use of the phrase semi-automatic when talking about guns is like using the phrase ‘gasoline cars.’”) recalls the 1994 bill:

First, all guns can be used to assault someone – even a muzzle-loading black-powder rifle.

Second, Congressional attempts to define this term were laughably ad hoc.

A rifle could cease being an assault weapon if you sawed off the flash suppressor. It could become an assault weapon if you added a bayonet.

A 49-ounce handgun could be legal under this law while an identical version that was one ounce heavier could be outlawed.

Efforts to block the access of a very small subset of people – mass shooters – from to a narrow band of originally-legally-purchased firearms (the Newtown shooter was blocked by Connecticut’s tough gun laws from buying a rifle just days before the attack, so he stole one instead) is a worthy goal, to be sure; some of the proposals under discussion might reduce the number of victims in some future incident. But in practical terms, the odds are much greater that in our effort to lock this particular barn door, we are talking about a large national political debate, the restriction of freedom on a large number of people, and the additional burden on law enforcement nationwide for a slight reduction in firepower that could potentially save maybe a handful of lives per decade.

It’s hard to keep perspective after an event like Newtown – it’s almost impossible, in fact, for parents to regard such an atrocity with any perspective at all – but the likely result of all this debate is a whole lot of political posturing for not very much result. In some ways this recalls the Terri Schiavo debate in 2005, when national politics ground to a halt over the life of one woman – a noble goal, perhaps the noblest of goals – but one that squandered the opportunity for a newly re-elected president to do bigger things affecting a much larger swath of the country’s future, but which our political system was unable to resist because of the moral certainty of those who fought for Schiavo. (Our priorities can seem quite strange in this way: Planned Parenthood kills twenty children every half hour, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, and we do nothing about that.)

The next round of gun control debates is likely to be long on symbolism and short on practical solutions. Congress should not pass any laws – in this or other contexts – without some good reason to believe they will actually accomplish something. The burden remains on the advocates of new gun laws to show not only that their proposals are constitutional and not undue burdens on the rights and freedoms of law-abiding citizens, but that they actually have some practical chance of working.

(In Part II, I will look at the different ways – prevention, preemption, deterrence, disarmament, self-defense – that we look at violence)

COMMENTS

  • Tbone

    In the meantime the Federal Government is borrowing 47 cents of every dollar it spends. Politicians love arguing about things we can do nothing about rather than discuss things that need something done about them.

  • kentucky

    Insightful and informative, as always. Too many Americans demonstrate a casual or convenient indifference toward the First, Second, Fourth, Fifth, and Eighth Amendments. (For example: hate speech laws, the abortion/contraception mandate, gun control, and a culture gives no credit to the presumption of innocence, cannot fathom an innocent person not cooperating with an investigation, and mocks unlawful searches and seizures as mere technicalities.) This belies a disturbing conceit that the oppression prevented by our Constitutional rights cannot occur in modern America. But, there is nothing special about this land nor modernity which prevents oppression in the United States: it is that respect for these rights has been ingrained in our culture from the beginning. If we lose that aspect of our culture, we lose all protection.

  • greyeagle

    This should be left up to the states which determines concealed weapons laws. The Federal Government should keep their nose out. The bottom line is that liberals wants to control and eliminate the second amendment rights of many people in the US. Let the states and the school districts in those states along with the state’s Governor and Legislature decide how best to protect those school children.

  • http://www.texasyoungrepublicans.com Mark Brown

    Dan, I’ll have to disagree slightly with your interpretation of “well-regulated”. The meaning of words changes over time. I believe the word “regulate” as in “well-regulated militia” has also changed. We look at the word “well-regulated” today and imagine lots of rules, permits, and a government bureaucracy maybe overseeing a licensing scheme, with continuing education requirements, etc. A “well-regulated” militia sounds like to some that the government has a duty to pass lots of laws, rules, and restrictions on gun ownership, in order to uphold that “well-regulated” part of the constitutional amendment. And that meaning doesn’t make any sense – how does banning or curtailing or restricting gun ownership in significant ways somehow help us preserve the “security of a free state” also mentioned in the 2nd amendment? Answer: it doesn’t.

    To a person in the 18th century,”regulate” meant “to bring order, method, or uniformity to” – see definition 2 in Webster’s: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/regulate. It’s the same meaning used in phrases like “regular infantry”, and has everything to do with training, discipline, and practice. In fact, if our founding fathers were writing the 2nd amendment today, they might very well have written “well-trained”. It’s the difference between having a mob running around barely knowing which end of a gun is the dangerous one, and a group knowing how to aim and shoot accurately, care for their weapons, and coordinate together with others. Every time you see the word “regulated” in the writings of our founding fathers about guns, try substituting the word “trained”, and I believe a lot of their writings make a whole lot more sense. For example, the connection between a “well-regulated” militia and the security of a free state makes a lot more sense if you understand “well-regulated” to mean “well-trained”.

  • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

    Windas!

  • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

    True enough, and related to the general point re the other Militia clauses. But I still think it leaves room for Congress to do things like keep a registry of arms.

  • WmCraig

    Lets start calling it control of guns, rather than gun control. Gun control is putting a few in the bulls-eye of the target on a consistent basis. Control of guns is what government wants to do. And that makes it easy to talk about, First, control. Has the government implemented successful control of under age drinking, drunk driving, drug use, drug smuggling, prostitution, pornography, the spread of aides and other contagious diseaseslillegal immigration, repeat violent criminal offenders, or the mentally ill that are a danger to themselves or others? Has the government controlled their spending? Can the controll the borders where newly smuggled guns would cross if they did get a gun ban here?

    No, so if the progressives/Democrats want to talk about controlling things, lets start with controlling the spending, controlling unemployment, controlling drugs, drug smuggling, illegal immigration (or human smuggling) and get some of these things “under control” as proof that the government is actually serious about controlling the risks to the citizens. Then we can talk guns. We also need to talk about what letting the mentally ill turn our streets, parks, libraries and other places into dangerous zones for children. Sure they have rights but the right to incubate an untreatable strain of tuberculous, or two deprive our children of the enjoyment of public spaces seems to be missing from my version of the constitution.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Some additional analysis of the meaning of the term “well regulated” in the Second Amendment:

    http://www.lectlaw.com/files/gun01.htm

    Thank you.
    CW

  • checkmate2012

    Given the current climate, seems we need to protect ourselves from the over-bearing government forces now more than ever.

  • ss396

    I disagree with your statement “No serious reading of the Second Amendment would protect your right to own artillery, tanks or fighter jets.” This is a reading of the Second Amendment in isolation, as a stand-alone concept. But it is a part of the Constitution, under which Congress is also expressly empowered to “grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal”.

    If privately owned firing platforms more lethal than rifles were not contemplated, then to whom would Congress issue its Letters of Marquis and Reprisal? And why would Congress be specifically empowered to issue such Letters? The US did not have a national Navy at the time of Founding, although several states had some sea-going forces mostly as a coast guard. Much of the US naval presence in the open seas was privately owned, and were as appropriately armed as could be managed by the owners. These represented the most lethal firepower of the age, and Congress did not limit it. Indeed, and in the abhorrence of the quartering of troops (another favorite Madison topic), Congress was expressly encouraged to utilize private forces in preference to establishing (and quartering) an army. Privately owned artillery, tanks and fighter jets are today’s equivalent of the 18th century privateer.

    Does this extend to ICBMs and nuclear warheads? Crimeny, I hope not. Still, does the Constitution actually forbid private ownership of nuclear missiles? As the space program goes more privately commercial, this is not a moot question.

    Cheers, dear sir. I loved the article.

  • californiasquish

    Absolutely fantastic diary.

    What about something akin to how we currently regulate drivers licenses, with the end result being if you are ‘qualified enough’ you can legally own basically whatever you want to?

    Want a rifle? Class A. Breathe air and don’t be a convicted felon.
    Want a bazooka? Class F. Comes with a much higher level of training, background checks, gun safes, etc.

    That seems more reasonable to me. It doesn’t ban anything, and it lessens the chance of nutcases getting their hands on the most lethal stuff.

  • gscandlen

    I didn’t think LaPierre’s press conference was “ham fisted” at all (whatever that means). I thought it was excellent. Granted he didn’t win over any liberal reporters, but that is not a standard I would hold anyone to.

  • kipling

    In many liberal strongholds like California, concealed carry is legal if local law enforcement deam you worthy (read properly trained) yet they never issue one permit. Why shoud the government get to determine when and how i can exercise my rights? Should the government also determine wh is properly trained to speak on a certain issue?

  • commonsenseobserver

    There’s really something wrong with the number 47.

  • spandrel

    I think Prohibition showed the folly of trying to outlaw things that Americans want. The current prohibition on drugs seems to me similarly destructive. So though I have seen up close the devastation caused by guns, I am not sanguine about any efforts to ban them.

    However, the rhetoric from the gun rights side is often faulty on one count, and repellent on another. The faulty bit is the assumption that rights should have no limitations. But we accept limits on speech (eg, against obscenity) and the press (eg, against libel), and there is even an implicit recognition that the 2nd does not guarantee a right to own eg surface to air missiles. The repellent bit is the bare lip service paid to responsibility. Laws against obscenity and libel (or against yelling fire in a crowded theatre) reflect generally accepted notions of how the respective rights should be responsibly exercised, but even beyond the laws we have notions about what is responsible behavior. Why can’t someone (other than me) say that Nancy Lanza had a right to own her guns, but also a critical responsibility to keep them locked up?

    Like so many challenges facing our society – where the left seems to want a solution by government and the right wants a solution by individual choice – it seems like is mostly needed is a change in social norms. People often point to other countries with high gun ownership rates and low murder rates – eg, Switzerland – while ignoring the very different attitude toward firearms in those cultures. Changing social norms is not a monumental task we if we all agree on the goal – I still remember when the interstates were lined with trash, and the teary-eyed native american on horseback who almost single handedly changed our habit of leaving litter wherever we went. Or perhaps more saliently, while Prohibition served little purpose, attitudes toward alcohol use and abuse changed dramatically over the course off a few decades.

    Like Dan here, I don’t have a problem with some minor restrictions or limitations on firearm possession – but I think the true solution will require parties across the spectrum getting behind a message of what comprises responsible firearm ownership and being relentless about it. What would be the objections?

  • LeaveMeAlone

    Perhaps I’m more libertarian-leaning than most, but a post on Market Ticker has a statement by K. Denninger that I agree with:

    “If you have an unalienable right to life then you have the right to defend that life against all who would take it from you, irrespective of who they are. If you have an unalienable right to liberty, then you have a right to defend that liberty against all who would take it from you.

    So what’s this “permit” crap?”

    Maybe politically incorrect today, but it drives home the point.

  • californiasquish

    The government already determines when, how and under what circumstances we can exercise our right to free speech, and that seems to be working out.

    Additionally, the Supreme Court has ruled that political donations are protected speech, and that is still regulated out the ying yang. What is it about the 2nd amendment that we think it shouldn’t be treated the same?

    Honest question: Why not have a FEC for guns? What’s the difference? I’m asking because I don’t know, and I’d love a real response.

  • kipling

    The regulation of guns is not the goal of the leftist. Confiscation is the goal. An armed populace is the last defense against an oppressive government. Nor do I agree that the regulation of free speech is acceptable or even working out okay. In the name of diversity, conservative voices have been driven from the public forum and the university. The threat of hate speech penalties is used against anyone who dares to question political correctness.

  • rabun1016

    I am not a liberal reporter, but his proposal to have more govt employees, in the name of school armed guards, is a nonstarter with me. I don’t think it helped the rights of gun owners, and I am one.

  • californiasquish

    I guess, but I don’t see how any of that answers my questions.

  • tcgeol

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    If the fed government insists on keeping detailed records of anything, I would consider that infringement.

  • tcgeol

    The Second Amendment does not say “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed if we believe that you are qualified enough”. A requirement for qualification with gov control of that qualification is infringement. You do not have to get permission to exercise a right – by definition, if someone can tell you “no”, if is not a right.

  • californiasquish

    “A requirement for qualification with gov control of that qualification is infringement. ”

    I agree in principle. But by that standard, why are we for card check?

    The 26th Amendment says “The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States”

    To use your argument, it doesn’t say “the right to vote shall not be denied or abridged unless you have a valid identification” and yet that is what many on this site are for, and what some state legislatures voted into law.

    Again, I’m not on fire about this ‘gun licence’ idea, but it seems in line with what we do for other rights clearly delineated in the constitution, and we are fine with those. I think there’s something about guns that is just visceral for people, talking about them quickens pulses. I don’t know why, and I would honestly love for somebody to explain it to me.

    Just in case you’re wondering, I don’t own a gun, but I go to the gun range for sport fairly frequently. I’m definitely not anti-gun, and I definitely don’t like across-the-board bans.

  • kipling

    You need to look up the definition of “citizen” and “citizenship.” Your post and arguement makes no sense. You comparison is deeply flawed.

  • 1stRichard

    The States that adopted a right to bear arms prior to 1791, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Massachusetts Bill of Rights would be the nearest to original intent of the Second Amendment to the US Constitution.

    Bill of Rights Pennsylvania 1776

    XIII. That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

    Bill of Rights Virginia 1776

    Section 13. That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

    Bill of Rights Massachusetts 1780

    Article XVII. The people have a right to keep and to bear arms for the common defence. And as, in time of peace, armies are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be maintained without the consent of the legislature; and the military power shall always be held in an exact subordination to the civil authority, and be governed by it.

    Bill of Rights United States Constitution 1791

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

  • Don T.

    Dan, I also really liked this article. I have to agree with what Justice Scalia has said about what kinds of arms are protected under the 2d Amendment: those arms that can be “borne” ie, carried, by one man. So, that eliminates tanks, missiles, fighter jets, heavy artillery, nukes, etc. Scalia has also contended that the Founders, if one researches this, were careful to distinguish ordnance from arms. So, bombs, grenades, mortar shells, rockets, and presumably bazooka type weapons such as RPGs, would not be protected. Fully automatic weapons should be protected as well, if the weapon can be carried by one man.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/29/Media-Wrongly-Claiming-Justice-Scalia-Said-SCOTUS-Might-Limit-Second-Amendment

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/29/scalia-opens-door-for-gun-control-legislation/?test=latestnews

  • Red_in_SC

    Dan, good article. Thanks for the deep research. The desire of the left for gun control is connected to a deep vein in the liberal soul. Liberals, who espouse the virtue of being nonjudgmental, are quick to judge and hang labels on people they feel justified in hating. All you have to do to get a liberal to agree with you is to say that George Bush or Dick Cheney disagreed with some position, and they will agree because they are convinced that Bush and Cheney are “evil.” (Yes, amongst themselves, they use the term, well, liberally!) Once a person is declared to be evil, it is justified to say, or do, anything to neutralize that evil person. Organizations of people, like the NRA, are also eligible for being hated because they have been found to be “evil.”

    In the case of guns, they have expanded their tendency to condemn people, to a class of inanimate objects, namely, guns. Guns are evil, therefore, anything you do to eliminate them is legitimate. As Ann Coulter has so clearly stated, liberalism is a religion in every sense of the word, and faith trumps logic. Liberals really believe that the American public is behind them on gun control, despite polls to the contrary, and are likely to burn a lot of political capital pursuing their goal of eliminating guns in 2013.

    It will be interesting!

  • jiminga

    While Dan is not pro-gun, he is also not anti-gun. His scholarly approach to the gun issue should be read and understood by both sides….but it won’t. It’s true that pro-gunners are usually the ones basing their beliefs on facts and logic while anti-gunners base theirs on pop culture and opinion. So not much will change….anti-gunners will continue their quest for abolition of guns and pro-gunners will continue to support their God given and Constitutional rights.

    “When seconds count, the police are only minutes away”. It was reported the Newtown police arrived twenty minutes after the shooting started. If my county would remove the existing ban on guns in schools and authorize armed protection I would be among the first to volunteer. I am retired, have a GA Weapons Permit, own both sidearms and long guns, and am proficient in their use. I would happily submit to whatever additional training or certification might be required and my services would be free. I am certain there are many like me who would step forward.

  • 2warabnvet

    Thomas Jefferson wrote, “The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
    This statement would argue against the concept of government regulation of the militia.
    Others of the founders, incidentally, made similar statements. That is entirely understandable, since they had experienced oppressive government.

  • http://bit.ly/b2OIJf bobmann101

    I still have not heard ONE person tell the public how gun control will stop mass murder or bring crime rate down. Never has..never will!!!

    A weapon, arm, or armament is a tool or instrument used in order to inflict damage, harm or death to enemies or other living beings, structures, or systems. Weapons are used to increase the efficacy and efficiency of activities such as hunting, crime, law enforcement, and warfare. In a broader context, weapons may be construed to include anything used to gain a strategic, material or mental advantage over an adversary. Any instrument/object when used to cause bodily harm is an assault weapon. Water, sound, electricity can be also used as a weapon to assault.

    There were weapons, murders and killings long before there were guns.

    A person could take 3 guns that hold only six rounds each and take out up to 18 people. How does banning assault weapons stop people from killing? It DOESN’T!!! All it does is cause a person to come up with another plan.

    Do people really think that banning what will be determined as assault weapons would have stopped the killers from accomplishing their task or obtaining a gun on the black market? Banning assault weapons will make the price go up on the black market. There are people who cannot buy a gun legally yet they still have then m or know how to purchase one.

    Realize how many of these mass killing are done by the mentally unstable, a person on drugs and end up killing themselves after their killing spree. So we blame the gun not the medication. Why not ban drugs that alter a person thought patterns.

    They have our kids on drugs, because there are people who cannot handle parenting and the trials and tribulations that go with parenting

    I think every US citizen should have a gun and law enforcement classes to teach people how to use them.

    If the every teacher at the school had a gun and knew how to use them there would have been less people killed, because someone could have taken him out. If a person got the idea to go to a school and shoot people and he knew every teacher had a gun and was trained on how to use them I am sure he would pick another place where no one had a gun.

    Some say have an armed guard at every school. The guard cannot be at more than one place at a time. If the guard is at the front of the school and the shooter enters from the back or side door the gaurd cannot get to where the shooter is in time to stop him. If you rely on law enforcement it takes them a certain amount of time to get to the crime scene

    People ask the question: Why does a person need these type of guns. They have them because they want them and have the right to own them. Just because they own them does not mean they are going to go out and kill people

    If assault weapons were were banned it would not have stopped him. Maybe slowed him down. A person does not need an assault weapon to commit mass murder!

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/07/aurora_shooting_how_did_people_commit_mass_murder_before_automatic_weapons_.html

    http://www.neontommy.com/news/2012/07/doing-math-guns

    To say banning assault weapons will stop mass murders or stopping a person from killing is ridiculous!!!

    So the guy walks in with a ninja’s sword and starts hacking kids heads off or learns how to make a chlorine gas bomb and tosses it in the window.The nutjob will find a way! A guy in china slashed and killed 28 kids in a school with a knife. So yes,if someone is determined to do evil they will do evil with whatever method they can get their hands on. That is the reality of it.

    Jim Jones killed more people with Kool-aid than all the all the so called “assault weapons” attacks combined!

    BTW, did you know the ACLU prevented his mother from institutionalizing him.

    A Connecticut mental health bill was recently defeated, because the ACLU said the bill would infringe on patients’ privacy rights.

    That bill was defeated by the same vermin on the left who are trying to take your guns away.

    There have been over 12 shootings within the past 4 years. Why all of a sudden is the number of shootings on the increase and the time frame getting closer together? Could it be these shooters were hypnotized, put into a trance or programmed to do what they did and to kill themselves after they accomplished the act. What if one of the shooters were captured alive; Be interesting to see what would be uncovered.

    I still want some one to explain how gun control will stop mass murder or bring crime rate down. YOU CAN’T!!!!

     

     

     

     

     

  • cbartlett

    I agree with Erick – Dan’s articles are ALWAYS excellent! Great research and great writing – always look forward to learning something from him. (I sure hope nobody steals him from RedState!)
    On another note: check Dan’s link to Newt’s speech to the NRA audience, if you didn’t already. Another exceptionally brilliant guy. It’s a real shame he messed up his personal life enough to be unelectable – the guy would have made an excellent President. He definitely has more intelligence and leadership skills than the current occupant of the White House.

  • evilbloggerlady

    http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/2012/12/sweet-baby-jesus-now-they-want-to-ban.html

    They are going after knives next.

  • curiousg

    Hi. I’m new here and consider myself a liberal (or at least, left-leaning). I came to this site to read another point of view on the gun debate and found this article very thoughtful, reasonable and well-researched. More fact-based examinations like this are needed! I admit I don’t agree with everything the author says, and I will protest a bit with some commenters’ claims of “all liberals think so-and-so,” because I am proof that they are wrong, and we don’t live in a world where one can correctly make blanket statements like that. I own a gun and will vehemently defend that right, but in the wake of this recent tragedy, I think we all agree that something needs to change. I also agree with the author that the heel-digging on both sides is counterproductive. Perhaps licensing with regular testing could be considered as an accompanying responsibility to the right of gun ownership? Maybe more taxpayer-funded resources for the mentally ill? I have many more questions than answers and appreciate you letting me speak on this topic.

  • talgus

    there is still a group that leaves litter where ever they go. Washington mall, Jan 2009. They are almost entirely also members of the more “gun control” and ignoring of the meaning of the 2nd amendment. Little hope as they are blind to their issues.

  • talgus

    the recent tragedy has nothing to do with tools. Only that in a population the size of the US, evil nut cases exist and will commit evil. The freedoms we enjoy unfortunately empower this evil. We can only minimize. Gun free schools are an attractant, not a deterrent, to the evil. The rights of the mentally ill (ACLU supported) allowed this evil. Killing a gun owner to steal their guns is evil.

  • tcgeol

    Voting is a right, but a right that can be exercised only by citizens and concerns all other citizens, so checking citizenship is only reasonable. RKBA, however, is a fundamental right of all free men. Since it is the ultimate protection against tyranny, letting any government body take control of the right is giving away that protection.
    I can’t think of any other right that is under such restriction. We don’t have to have government permission, records, etc. to worship, speak, have a fair and speedy trial. The other possible exception I can think of is the right to assemble, and that one is poorly handled as well.

  • ss396

    The linked articles are Justice Scalia speaking/musing over issues that have not formally come before the Court, and have thus not been judicially examined in detail. It is a bit disturbing that Scalia is willing to telegraph his predilections in advance of the issues that could come before him, caveat his statements though he did.

    Nonetheless, the Second Amendment, as with the rest of the Bill of Rights, states that the Federal Government shall not impede this or that right. We do not have our rights of free speech, assembly, religion, arms, etc. at the sufferance of the Federal Government. We have them independently of the Federal Government. The Federal Government does not grant us our Rights; it is supposed to guarantee them to us and can only take them away under due process.

    I agree that our Rights are not unlimited, and that they come with burdens and responsibilities commensurate to the breadth of the Right (and the extent of damage an individual can wreak under abuse of any given Right). You and I disagree over the breadth of the Second Amendment; it will be interesting if/when the SCOTUS takes up that aspect of it.

    Thank you.

  • spandrel

    I don’t understand. Because a few people littered 3 years ago, litter is socially acceptable? And it’s a bad idea to discourage littering, and a bad idea to encourage responsible gun ownership?

  • dalek1967

    I feel this way. Both the 1st and 2nd Amendment gives us freedoms. However, we also assume responsibility for those freedoms. By that I mean this. If I exercise my 1st Amendment right and say something publicly that is not true, then I am held responsible for whatever I said. I can be sued. If I use a gun to commit a crime of any kind, I am held responsible for that, sometimes more than if I didn’t use a gun. If I kill someone with a ball bat, I get convicted for the killing. If I kill the same person but use a gun, I get more time in jail for using the gun. The end result is the same, a person is dead. It’s the tool used that gets me more jail time. Basically, I abused a freedom so I get greater punishment. I also lose that freedom too.

    I’m still young by most measures but I see things that makes me wonder. Although I am only 45, I see our country going away from what we are founded on. God is being kicked out of about everything, morals have been gone for a lot of people for a good while, value of life is gone for most people. Be it guns or any other tools used by man, until we fix those problems, we are not going to improve things no matter what laws are passed. Old saying: You can’t legislate morality. You can only teach it and lead by example.

  • dalek1967

    I agree. The Federal Government should have no say on school security. I support getting rid of gun free zones on the Federal level and leave it to the locals in charge of the school. I have read where a lot of schools are going to arm teachers/staff. I support that. I’m not saying all schools should do it but just that the local people should decide. If the locals decide no guns allowed, then they get to explain what failed if something bad happens.

    I’m sure some locals will want to continue the ban and I’m sure will arm whoever is trained to help. Either way, time will tell. Some tho, will never learn.

  • dalek1967

    I think it should be lower than that. It should be done at the local level as far as schools are concerned. Permits, OK, state level. Schools, local. One city may need police at a school while another school 50 miles away may feel they don’t need anything. It’s amazing what can change in 50 miles.

  • dalek1967

    I’m not real big on Newt but I just had to pick him in the primary. I wanted to see him debate Obama. I can just picture Newt mopping the floor with Obama. Newt may have lost like Romney did but the debate would have really knocked Obama off his game. It would have been a long term hurt too. Just my $0.02 worth.

  • dalek1967

    I don’t get the magazine/clip limits. You can change those so fast, it won’t make a bit of difference. I have seen people on TV that get to practice a bit change those in less than a second. It is really really fast. Just press button and let empty clip fall, push in new clip and release the loading mechanism. If you count your shots and there is a round in the chamber unfired, you can release and just put in a new one. Most people teach you to count your rounds too.

    For those wondering about letting the magazine/clip drop, you think a mass killer is going to reload them when he plans to kill himself? He’ll have plenty of them for sure.