Union members like having guns. During the 1930′s, New York Teamsters would brandish guns and stop truck drivers coming into the city and extract “union dues” from non-union drivers.

Not really since it has been painfully obvious that Unions and its members are exempt from the stuff we have to abide by. Anti gun people do not wants the guns gone, they simply want guns to only be in the hands of who they approve of, namely their leftist enforcers.

Disclaimer: I am an active NRA member and a no-compromise gun advocate. I don’t think that any sort of infringement on the Second Amendment, regardless if it is by way of the tax man or BATFE, is legally or morally right. I love the Second Amendment rights that I have and are codified in the Constitution. Please do not think otherwise. Again, I am not a Leftist hack who claims NRA membership, but supports “reasonable” gun control. That argument is as old as the hills and doesn’t hold water.

Let’s cool our heads. Why don’t we frame the debate? All of us acknowledge the Constitution as the Law of the Land and the first ten amendments as the Bill of Rights. Regardless of how we wish to have government impede on these express restrictions on the government, wouldn’t it be better to challenge the gun grabbers to flat out call for the amendment of the Constitution, rendering the Second Amendment obsolete? Bear with me, before you go off thinking that I’m a gun grabber.

There is an amendment process (well technically two, but one’s never been used) in which where the Congress drafts the amendment and sends it to the several States for ratification. Three fourths of the States will have to ratify the bill before it becomes a Constitutional amendment.

I’m saying this for two reasons:

1. It’s the right thing to do if you disagree with a law. Regardless if the law is Constitutional. If it is deemed that the law is ineffective or shouldn’t be enforced, it should come off the books. Not simply deemed less enforceable by whatever executive is in power. This applies to States as well.

2. Disagreement is part of our Freedom. We have the right to disagree with one another. We may wish to try to influence those who disagree, but we don’t have the right to impose our opinions unto others. We settle these disagreements by way of elections. The highest legislative body we can attempt to influence is the Congress. But we also have State governments. When we properly inform our State legislatures of our intentions on how they should legislate, we effectively put an end to the Second Amendment debate.

Again, if we frame the debate as:

“We will listen to you gun grabbers if you choose go about it correctly, by amending the Constitution. We will in fact respect your opinions. We will however disagree. It is upon your shoulders to convince three fourths of the States that the Second Amendment is obsolete and causes more trouble than good.”

If we can do that, we’re not only taking the high road, we’re also effectively ending the debate. In no way will the Second Amendment be removed by way of ratification of the Several States. Whining about how the Leftists are traitors and elitist and whatever else we can come up with doesn’t seem to have helped much in the last century. Consider the National Firearms Act, which is in fact a reaction on a Supreme Court ruling. FDR, who is arguably the founding father of the do-gooders’ agenda showed us clearly what a federal executive is capable of doing.

The second thing this does is prove to us how important it is to VOTE. Undoubtedly we have mixed opinions on Chief Justice Roberts’ opinion that ObamaCare is constitutional as long as its considered a tax (federal taxes are ratified as of Amendment 16). But he did do one right thing. He told us, The People, that we effectively voted to have it installed by electing Obama. If we want rid of ObamaCare, elect a Congress and a President who are willing to do that work.

If you’ve found yourself as getting upset about this post, please read it again to make sure you’re trying to understand what I’m saying. This is very much a federalist approach to the Second Amendment and should prove that gun laws on the books are indeed unconstitutional. Shall not be infringed is fairly unequivocal.

While we keep up the pressure on John Boehner to do the right thing, futile as that may be, the time has come to use our state legislatures to protect and apply the Constitution lawfully. While congressional Republicans continue to offer comfort and aid to the occupying statist forces, we must start contacting our state legislators and governors and urge them to refuse to apply or enforce large parts of this president’s agenda.

We have forgotten that we are the United States, and we are protected by the Constitution from a strong, centralized federal national government.

I will almost certainly see my State Senator at tonight’s local GOP club meeting. I probably won’t be the only one asking him what we can do from Lansing to protect our Bill of Rights. I expect his response will be more compelling for those who support states’ rights than any I would hear from the Re-uplican who currently occupies my district’s seat in DC.

I’m not upset by your stance, it makes sense to a rational, law abiding citizen – however it’s useless to pursue this strategy. Have you not observed how this group of Alinskyite thugs operate over the last 4 years (at least)? They have no interest in doing things in a proper and legal fashion. They could care less about ‘bringing the other side along’. They are about naked, in-your-face power and the dismantling of traditional American systems. Whenever thet can subvert the system to force through some leftist agenda, it’s a twofer. Not only do they get the result, but they weaken the last remaining fabric that binds us together as a nation (i.e. the rule of Law). They want to destroy thier enemies, not win a political fight. Everything they do is has the aim of our destruction, never compromise.

You can’t explain the rules of engagement to the taliban tribal fighter any more than you can expect these criminal thugs in power to respect our legal procedures. They are about results at any cost. We are at war on many fronts and the price of failure is everything. To them, rules are for losers and the weak. At some point you have to decide whether you want to be perceived as a ‘nice guy’ or to win the fight.

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I see your point very clearly. The problem is that the do-gooders aren’t challenged to speak up properly. We (our group) tend to do the same thing every time. We see someone like Obama say that he’s a Second Amendment supporter, which we obviously know is a farce. Then we wait until he gets to show his true colors and when he does, he does it under the guise of “reasonable gun control”. After all, why do we need AR15 derivatives? The point shouldn’t be that we should have to explain why we need AR15 derivatives. The point should be that he should explain why we shouldn’t have them and be true to that stance by recommending the repeal of the Second Amendment.

I feel as though we let the do-gooders off the hook by arguing on their side of the playing field, where we’re unlikely to have success. Hell, even the Brady Campaign suggests “common sense” and “reasonable” laws that would be compatible with our permission from the government to hunt deer when we’re really hungry, with a single shot rimfire ’22. Registered gun and owner of course.

Perhaps I am an idealist, but so long as we’re not bringing the fact that they should actually challenge the very tenet of American Freedom, the “main stream” (read: Liberals) will always be convinced that it is indeed constitutional to have laws that contradict the “shall not be infringed” creed.

I’ve successfully debated a few Liberals and gotten them to concede that they don’t like the Second Amendment and I just think that if that’s possible, it should be possible to do this on a larger scale. Guns and gunownership has become such a backseat thing to all other matters of politics that its almost become a Good Ol’ Boy thing. A lot of people aren’t connecting with us anymore.

After all, the Second Amendment is a declaration of Freedom. It doesn’t say that its mandatory to own guns, but that if you do wish to exercise your freedom, nobody can come and take that away from you. Even if it is discernible to extract from the federalist papers that every able-bodied man is supposed to own and maintain a functioning firearm, gunpowder and shot.

Oh no, Sir. I do not underestimate our opponent. It is difficult to fight him though, when fought on his terms. If we successfully invite them to agree to a root cause to our differences, i.e. the Second Amendment being outdated or whatever they may think, its a much more honest and correct debate to be had. We haven’t really been super-successful in allowing them to frame the debate and go on the defensive.

On the other hand I can clearly see what I’m suggesting is potentially not feasible, but its certainly worth a shot. (no pun intended)

Writing Constitutionally egregious federal laws hasn’t stopped the do-gooders in the past, and probably won’t in the future. But I’d suggest we have nothing to lose by trying a bit harder.

Interesting approach. Would push the issue of selective enforcement of laws to the forefront.

Good argument. Maybe Arizona could get the ball rolling, being next door to Southern Cal such as it is. What a rush, dude.

Agreed. I am just starting…I mean starting to hear the words on talk radio…late at night mind you, where hosts are differentiating between Democrats and Communists…wherein they are just getting the “courage” to call them Progressives. These people are Communists…not anything else but. Obama’s cabinet is filled with them…his upbringing and mentoring is filled with them…so what would you expect. This latest ploy to “register” all guns…the beginning is EXACTLY what Lenin, Stalin and Hitler did. Yet…we go to work..pay our bills, grumble…while the great nation in the world is falling at the knees of Communism.

On the White House Website…the Catholic Church is viewed as a hate crime advocate and they want petitions from the public to get it into law. What is it that Communists do not believe in…G O D

Oh…and another thing…when are Boehner and McConnell going to insist that Congress makes the laws…NOT OBAMA and bypassing them is against his oath of office and allowing it is against theirs.