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We Can Win (If We Start Doing the Right Things)

Conservatives, we can talk all we want about fixing the message and following principles, but even if we fix both—we can’t win elections if we keep using campaign tactics like it’s 1999. For a real conservative comeback, we don’t need to become Democrats. We need to become conservatives with brains.

Right now, conservatives’ technological lifeblood could use a dose of digital steroids. But, some of us on the Right are on, dare I say, the right path.

Voter Gravity, the database technology tool developed with the great Political Gravity guys and American Majority Action, got some love from techPresident, but since the article is behind a paywall, I thought I’d highlight a few blurbs about Voter Gravity and the future of campaign technology.

“Gravity was a novelty on the right: It was a mobile interface into voter data designed for grassroots advocates. . . .A smattering of other right-wing groups, including FreedomWorks, enjoyed the benefits of this new tool. While its deployment was limited and it had its own share of bugs, the software is a sign that there’s still technological life among conservatives.”

But as I mention in the article, the use of tools like Voter Gravity were not widespread enough to have a significant national impact—that’s one huge reason Romney lost. When it was used, and used right (as in going to targeted doors on a smart phone device to have live conversations with voters), it had the desired outcomes:

“Not all of the campaigns that used Political Gravity were involved in small-bore local contests. Local Tea Party activists used Political Gravity to touch about 28,000 doors in Chester County, Pennsylvania, which went for Barack Obama by over 9 percentage points in 2008 but was carried by Mitt Romney very narrowly this November. Advocates point to similar bumps in some Wisconsin and Ohio counties where, even if Democrats held on statewide (as they did in Pennsylvania), Republicans were much more competitive than four years ago.”

All that being said, Voter Gravity 1.o was a good start, but unless we acknowledge on the Right that there is an “arms race” in political data and technology, we will continue to fall behind and lose to liberals like Barack Obama.

An experience last week only furthered my thinking on this front. I had the opportunity to attend Google’s Political Innovation Summit. It was an enlightening day. Obama’s digital and field team and Romney’s digital team were present, with the rest of us an eclectic mix (mostly Left-leaning mix) of party entities, academics, and outside groups like American Majority.

It was really an off-the-record meeting, but there was permission given to discuss/Tweet thoughts and ideas without direct quotes or citing of the panelists unless there was specific permission given. There’s much more to say than what I’m going to write about.

My bigger conclusions are that the Obama team was light years ahead, not only in skill, but in time (some had been doing the work for 6 years) and staffing with 150 staff on their digital team. The real success was that they were, mostly, able to integrate data analytics and technology with targeted messaging (online and offline) and voter contact. In short, they developed great tools, great data, and were then able to have organizers on the ground train (and train . . . and train) the grassroots volunteers on how to use all the tools available to make meaningful work happen (as in going and knocking on targeted doors to have conversations with voters). Conservatives and Republicans are nowhere near their level of sophistication and integration.

But, what struck me at the summit was even though the focus was political innovation, two themes kept popping up: there must be local organizers on the ground, and those local organizers must train the grassroots on technology while organizing the grassroots into meaningful, targeted work; essentially community organizing and political education, and a lot of both.

Community organizing and political education sound boring, but people, are we going to do what it takes to win or not? How long will we keep our collective heads in the sand?

Unless those on the Right emphasize a broad-scale usage of data analytics and database technology, with local organizers on the ground–years before an election–with significant amounts of training to make database technology second-nature to the grassroots, I would say our odds of winning, while not impossible, are significantly diminished.

Let’s play smart, learn from our losses, and get back to winning.

 

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  • jasonr

    Very good diary. I agree with you that we don’t need to become Democrats….but we do need to lose wacko, non-serious candidates who erode conservative positions, and the Republican brand. People like Todd Akin, Richard Mourdoch, and Christine O’Donnell at the state level, as well as Santorum, Cain, and Bachmann on the national scene were a major problem during the last 4 years.

  • ehopejr

    We need more and more encouraging articles like this; also I say MESSAGING—why does the GOP NEVER talk about their history as civil rights champions for example? I would do this non-stop; and the black constitutionalists amongst us should use men like Fredrick Douglass & G.W. Carver for example to the max as they are exemplary Americans.The evidence that too many of the modern bunch simply don’t believe the platform is that they are always being led about by the left; this doesn’t happen with genuine conviction combined with all the modern tools at our hand.

  • JX12

    And because of this, Romney won! Oh, wait…

  • lastgopinillinois

    I couldn’t agree more.

    I don’t have cable TV, so I am among the millions who watch local news stations on TV every night after work. Those are all liberally biased propaganda pushers here including the local FOX affiliate.

    No matter which station I watch (CBS, NBC, ABC or FOX), I have never heard a word about the national debt or any type of pro vs con presentation about any type of federal issue. Its all one-sided in favor of liberalism, socialism, compassion for the needy and the constant drumbeat for compromise in DC. Duh !

    As long as the liberal propaganda media is allowed to control the narrative, conservatism stands little chance of seeing the light of day for the majority of voters. Twitter all you want! Post these articles all over RS, Freedomworks or anywhere else you want. Most of those people who don’t have cable TV also don’t have internet access either. The ONLY way for conservatism to go “mainstream” is to broadcast it over the news media and that is never going to happen unless someone starts buying out local news affiliates, fire all the news staff and replace them with “journalists” who are committed to giving conservatism a voice.

  • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

    I’m not sure who the “we” is in the title, but one thing that “we” the Republicans can do to improve our standing (and our collective IQ) after today, is to boot Chuck Hagel out of the party. The man is operating in negative territory right now. What a maroon!

  • fredflintlock

    And now it’s the Republican spending cuts that are to blame for the 4th quarter contraction.

    Uh, what spending cuts?

  • WmCraig

    I am more interested in community organizing networks. We need investors willing to put up to hire train and support targeted communities. Asian, Black and Latino recent college grads, suffering under this economy are low hanging fruit. Charter schools. better services for the elderly (provided by free market friendly NGO’s, private firms, or religious organizations), networks of small business incubators, and teams willing to take on City Hall and cut through red tape (or more precisely through Democrat intimidation in the form of licensing, regulation and public humiliation).

    It might take a while but Obama’s Patronage economy is making it easy see the way forward. Obama’s patronage economy has more in common with 1920′s southern segregated states then it does have in common with either 1930′s Europe, or any modern European socialist state. We can break the lock Obama has on these communities by providing them better services without the socialist parasitic policies, by providing them protection in numbers and supporting them with coordinated efforts to suppress and counter Democrat excesses

    But of course that goes against the grain of the Conservative movement that believes that each person must bootstrap themselves without support from others in order to be anything other than a dead beat. And as long as we continue to act as if the problem is the laziness of the blue state voter, and not the nasty and effective intimidation by the Democrat’s newest hooded hatchet men, we won’t win enough electoral college votes, or big city votes to control the oval office or Senate.

    Organizing and networking organizers is our best hope to extract from wins from “out of the blue”.

    WmCraig

  • WmCraig

    This is where blue city/blue state organizers for Obama come into play. They echo the party line, they make the jokes and they take notes of who doesn’t laugh hard enough. These people find themselves looking for work, or no longer welcome in their community. They find it hard to survive or they see their friends suffer and simply shut up. Or parrot the party line and laugh at the party jokes.

    It is old fashioned intimidation that can’t be countered with anything other than a better community organization.

  • WmCraig

    We need counters to the tall weed syndrome. The precinct project puts a bullseye on anyone involved for school and public employee unions to target. People who don’t like in blue state regions do not realize how dangerously gang like the various “bullies” for Obama have become. People are afraid to do things that would put their children at risk. There families at risk. There jobs at risk.

    People keep wondering why Obama doesn’t do something about the economy. He likes it like it is, the pressure at the bottom serves his propose of rewarding followers and punishing the competition

  • Melody Warbington

    Their children, families and jobs are already at risk. If folks don’t wake up soon and get involved, they’ll have nothing left to fight for.

    Granted, I live in a red state, but I absolutely realize how dangerous O’s bullies are. I’ve heard it first hand from some courageous souls who have the guts to do something (and I do get out of the state from time to time).

    However, the more involved folks are in the red states, the more we can push at the state and local levels to enact conservative principles that work as well as influencing who we send to D.C. Power in numbers, and we need to start outnumbering the staffers and consultants to the point those we elect pay more attention to us than them.

    Regardless, I think we can work the precincts and adopt some of the suggestions you make in your other comment. As I noted elsewhere today, I’m involved in my local GOP and multiple other groups in the state that have worked to build relationships with our local and state officials. It’s starting to pay off in our 2013 state legislative agenda.

  • rockxie

    I would guess that the average conservative or Republican has no idea to what you refer with data analytics and database technology. I think-and could be wrong, of course- that when you don’t explain yourself in easily understood terms, you lose the audience.

  • davesinsanantonio

    Well, sorta. We cannot adopt all the tactics of the Left, or we turn into what they are. But, we can use technology to counter their lies and to encourage people to get out and vote, contribute, and work for our side. All the truth in the world does no good if it isn’t disseminated. Truth untold is truth wasted.

  • davesinsanantonio

    That is why we must adopt modern technology to counter their lies, half-truths, and silences where they should be talking. They reach millions in each broadcast. We must reach one or two with a million broadcasts. We can only do that using modern technology. Here is one truth about us vs. the media. The antique media cannot hear and answer questions or criticism. So, we will have an edge there if we adopt the means to do so. Just imagine how effective we could be if each on our side was available to a handful of people to answer their specific questions about an issue, rumor, or outright lie by the Left. We could allay fears, quash untruths, encourage voters to get out and vote, etc. We could even go pro-active and send our “group” messages whenever we hear some lie, rumor, or attack from the Left.

    The old saying is that a lie can circle the earth before truth get its tennies laced up. But, with modern technology we would be lacing on turbo-charged jet shoes, and would catch and pass that lie in a few seconds!
    But, we must start now—we are already behind, but not so far that we cannot catch up. But, it will not happen if we just sit back and take potshots at such suggestions. We will be miles ahead if we start doing something now, but we will be forever in the wilderness if we just throw up our hands in surrender.

  • davesinsanantonio

    Your whiny diatribe is only true if we want to reach only those who don’t have a modern cell phone or other device. The idea is not to stay back in the last century, but to move into this one. Say that every time you heard something not true on your local station you sent a message to ten “friends”, or more, that succinctly told the truth. Something they could read in just a few seconds. And, it would have to be factual, not just “they lie!”. But, something they could easily understand and remember. Then, the word would get out and we would be much better off when elections come. The voters wouldn’t have to see our talking heads, but they would know that the Left’s talking heads cannot be believed. So, stop just crying that we cannot compete, and get out there and compete!!! Just in a more modern game than the old media is playing.

  • davesinsanantonio

    No, the real problem is that the establishment will always try to undermine real conservative candidates by demanding they withdraw from the race when they say something oddball. How many oddball things do the establishment’s candidates say? The truth is that they say plenty that they have to explain, “walk back”, and even apologize for, but the establishment stays silent when that happens. But, when a conservative does it then we get dozens of RINOs who are all too eager to throw the conservative candidate under the bus. So, of course they lose to the Dimocrap! Do you really think any of those Dim winners are better in office than the people you mentioned? They may not be perfect, or even very good, but they are certainly better than any Dim!!! But, the establishment would rather lose an election to the Dims than see any conservative win it! And, the “low-information voter” or the “independent” will not vote for a Republican that has been savaged and abandoned by his/her own party. So, stop with the nonsense about our “bad” candidates, and work towards getting the establishment to support them instead of undermining them at ever turn. (We do that by becomong precinct chairs, and then working to elect more conservatives until we control the party!) Once we do that we can work during primary season to find, support, and elect real conservatives—and then keep their feet to the fire once they get into office. We don’t do it by throwing our slightly oddball candidates under the bus every chance we get!

  • cardinaldog

    I’m sure that there are hundreds of millions (maybe billions) of dollars of donations from conservatives given to many worthy causes in the fight for our country. I wish all these separate organizations could unite and focus on conservatism! Is there a way we can unite as one? Can we ( who are suffering from Obamaism consolidate?) I am desparate!

  • davesinsanantonio

    Okay, so get out and do it. You have an idea, put it to work! Don’t just sit on your butt wishing that some rich guy will do it for you. You will have much more success getting some rich guy supporting an organization you actually have in place than you will getting him to do all the work for you.
    “Work will win when wishy-washy wishing won’t!” —Benjamin Franklin

  • davesinsanantonio

    No, we don’t need to boot anyone out of the Party! All we need to do is ignore them and they will take themselves into the Dim Party, or will fade into the wallpaper. Booting someone out of the Party just reinforces the Dim claim that we are a party of haters. We don’t need to do anything that even looks like that. Stop giving the Left ammunition to use against us. Take the high road every time and you will get to your destination. Take the low road and you will always get stuck in some swamp somewhere.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Is that a sore loser I hear?

    It’s y’all moderates and sore losers who keep costing us seats. Loser candidates like Lugar succeeded in giving the seat to a Democrat. Crist tried. Bolling may try in Virginia.

  • bonniesue

    Republicans need to quit talking about strategy and start talking about returning to God and the Bible upon whom the founding of this country was based. Obama is clearly a judgment of God upon a nation that has murdered 55 million unborn babies and become so hyper-sexualized and overly obsessed with entertainment to pay attention to what is really important. Nothing will improve until America follows 2 Chronicles 7:14.

  • bonniesue

    Obama wants to collapse the U S. economy so he can scrap the Constitution which he hates. That is the only explanation for why he won’t cut spending. Then he wants to help bring about the one world government which the Bible speaks of in the end times.

  • larenzo

    Dave your information is good but why deliver it with such offensive manner that does not help.

  • larenzo

    Bachman did not win but she was and still is a good canidate. If we had used the methods dave above speaks about she more than likely would have won.

  • larenzo

    I agree with what you said but it does not make dave wrong. Of course the Republicans that stayed home because Romney was Mormon or did not meet there idea of conservative left us with four more years of the marxist.

  • commonsenseobserver

    I disagree about the national level.
    But Christine O’Donnell and Todd Akin did indeed implode pretty badly, which also heightened the public’s cynicism towards other candidates like Mourdock.

  • cheesycon

    maybe we could start on the high road by not using perjoratives like “Dim” or the various namecalling against Obama that I see others using all the time around here (Obummer, Nobama, etc)

  • Bill S

    I must admit, I’m pretty tired of that silliness as well.

  • commonsenseobserver

    Still, Zero’s pretty appropriate.

  • joehatfield37

    I’ll tell you what needs to happen. Conservatives need to STOP BEING AFRAID OF THE MEDIA.. They are so afraid of being called “racists” that they cower in fear and get steamrolled. They need to stop trying to make the media like them. Even if they were to go along with everything the Progressives want, the media STILL would not like them. Conservatives need to stop pandering to the media.The simple fact is that the “lamestream” media is nothing more than a propaganda machine for the democrat party. It’s just the reality. Conservatives have let themselves be intimidated by the media for the last 30 frikkin’ years. The time is long past to grow some damn balls and tea-bag Rachel Maddow….

  • Bill S

    If you’re so intent on being abrasive, then stop using “progressive” as a descriptor for Leftists. And knock off the use of “tea-bag” – it’s a sexual slur and doesn’t need to be used by anyone.

  • milton6994

    Ned, I agree with you that Republicans and particularly Conservatives have done a poor job of marketing their narrative in a consistent manner and the other side has become very proficient at community organization. But our side has not really done that bad in my opinion (the elections of 2010 support that). We did not lose last year because of technological ignorance.

    Obama won with less votes than he did in 2008. We lost because too many on our side allowed themselves to become one or two issue voters. The question I would like answered is, “In the swing states how many Republican votes either went to non-Romney candidates or stayed home out of some silly protest?” Many experts theorize that is why Romney lost.

    Conservatives (and Libertarians) have to be willing to look at the biger picture and be willing to vote for the candidate who will move the ball in the right direction. Don’t get me wrong, Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are good men with many good ideas, but a vote for them or any other write-in candidate is as good as a vote for the Liberal.

    Conservatives are fond of saying they are tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. But I would say that is the kind of thinking that loses elections. Progressives have been honing their skills for decades. The Conservatives are finally starting to get their heads out of the sand and starting to work. We have to become as efficient as the Progressives if we are to succeed.

    We have to avoid situations like Todd Akin and Christine O’Donnell. Just look at what happened. Instead of circling the wagons like the Libs do for their “black sheep,” our leadership quickly backed away and threw our guys under the bus. The Republican leadership is too worried about perception instead of doing the right thing. Until that leadership is purged, the Republican Party will remain Democrat Lite.

  • Melody Warbington

    Plenty of “moderates” lost, including Romney. Who you gonna blame for that? Certainly not conservatives or tea partiers who set aside our objections after the primary and worked to elect him. Did you make calls or knock on doors for him or any other candidates?

    As for your dig about non-serious candidates, give me a call when Boehner & McConnell and the rest of the GOP get serious about spending, debt, tax reform, etc.

    By the way, two outstanding candidates, Mia Love and Vernon Parker, among others, lost because libertarians voted third party. Further, the best representatives we have in Congress were elected because they ran on conservative principles – Cruz, Lee, the entire SC house delegation – you know, the ones who aren’t squishes.

  • Melody Warbington

    While I usually don’t use perjoratives, I do use Dems and GOP as shortcuts. However, I’d like to note that those you mention don’t quite have the same ring to them as ignorant, backward, hate-filled, bigoted, racist, Hitler inspired, tea@*#$%, mashed up bag of meat with lipstick on it, not to mention all the vile things that have been said about conservative women.

  • rightlane1111

    I don’t agree with you. Here is why. You are expecting that Americans of this country “think” like you do. You are expecting that they will recognize “humility” when they are use to “bluster”. People have been conditioned since the early 1900′s…but it really took off with FDR and went viral in the 1960′s. I understand what you are saying…completely…but you fail to look at how our society has morphed.

    Many people on the right are mad. That is right…mad. Do you really think that a soft spoken person who will not attack his opponent is seen as STRONG? Our first agenda is to get the ilk out of DC/Courts/local governments. We have to speak firmly and without fear of political correctness. I am not saying crass…I am saying with strength, ex. Obama misspoke…do you know how that is perceived by our newest generation of voting age? “so what”. However, they know what a lie is…don’t they?
    That old adage…fight fire with fire means just that. We are fighting for our country. If we are fighting…we are fighting to win…not make friends with the press. Ronald Reagan didn’t do it…and neither should we.

    Get into new technology…I agree…but for God’s sake…don’t water down the message with “mush”.

  • westcoastpatriette

    I’m not too guilty of going the perjorative route, however, I have to admit I love to make a point using sarc and satire.

  • Bill S

    There’s a difference between sarcasm/satire and using names that sound like they came from 5-year-olds.

  • westcoastpatriette

    Agree.

  • paul11201

    I think that many of the comments posted here focus on countering what many strongly feel are liberal lies. I don’t feel that focusing on that gets you anywhere. If you were to read a liberal blog, they would say the exact same thing about republicans. Even if you feel that you are right and they are wrong, it doesn’t make any difference. This is our political process and it has been going on for a long time. There is such a massive amount of news content out there, trying to control or refute offensive statements will have limited impact. And debating that the media is liberal ignores the fact that Fox News is probably the most successful cable news channel in history. So while other media may be liberal and more plentiful, they are no match for the power and reach of Fox news. While I am a democrat, I do cross the line and vote for republicans, but have not at a national level in some while, because the candidates fielded are not credible, and the focus on social issues is a total turn off to me.

  • jasonr

    Gov. Romney made plenty of mistakes….including his mistaken idea that “if you’re playing defense, you’re losing”. He went for long periods of time, without hitting back against team Obama’s labelling him a “felon, racist, and tax cheat”, and by implication of one Obama ad, a murderer.
    On the other hand, getting voters to turn out an incumbent President whom they elected four years prior is difficult, and rare. Since FDR did it in 1932, it’s happened twice. Two times in 80 years: 1980, and 1992. Think about it.
    However, the Senate seats in MO and IN were low-hanging fruit, and the GOP nominees—despite Lugar’s despicable behavior—have only themselves to blame. Their statements on rape and abortion were idiotic, not to mention factually incorrect. Romney carried both states handily; our Senate nominees could have done the same if they had simply tried thinking before speaking.

  • Bill S

    So why don’t you go peddle that line to your leftist pals who insist on setting up “Fact Checkers” for every event that occurs? That’s the biggest medicine show since the Wild West.

    And OBTW, I would never vote for a Democrat because their incorrect focus on social issues is a total turn off to me.

  • Bill S

    I have proposed several times to my colleagues that we auto-ban on the use of “RINO”. It is a bull**** descriptor that is used by people who can’t process the fact that someone might just be a Republican or conservative who doesn’t agree on every single issue that comes up.

  • Melody Warbington

    While I agree our candidates could certainly use some training on how to answer questions to avoid the gotcha moments, please explain what is factually incorrect about Mourdock actual statement, not the liberal spin.

    “The only exception I have to have an abortion is in the case of the
    life of the mother. I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I
    came to realize life is that gift from God. I think that even when life
    begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God
    intended to happen.”

    Follow up explanation which is exactly what most reasonable folks, outside of leftists and the state run media, thought he meant, “God creates life, and that was my point,” he said in a press release.
    “God does not want rape, and by no means was I suggesting that he does.
    Rape is a horrible thing, and for anyone to twist my words otherwise is
    absurd and sick.”

    Nice dodge on most everything else.

  • paul11201

    Bill do you think fact checking made any difference in this election? i think it influenced very few people and came off as partisan noise due to the organizations that were engaging in it. Why expend the energy getting angry over lies–you will be angry forever. Lies have always and will always be a part of politics. Better to focus on the fundamentals–your positions, how you deliver your message, and fielding good candidates. There are lots of independents and conservative democrats that would jump to vote republican if the right candidate came along. Chris Christie would definitely make any democrat running for president very nervous.

  • PowerToThePeople

    Exactly. People learn a word, hear a word, or read a word, then just start throwing it around for anyone they deem not perfect. That then starts the avalanche.

    I do not know if you remember the poster who made the Jim DeMint is a RINO comment, you replied as well as I and many others, but his defense of the use was that Jim has been in office too long. It was the day I stopped using the term even when it applied as it had no value anymore.

    Now it is the word establishment, anytime things do not go our way even when it is usually our own fault, it becomes the fault of the “establishment.” The term and its abuse would be laughable if it were not so stupid.

    I hope you get your wish and auto ban RINO and I hope you add establishment in as well. Maybe then people will have to actually find out who is too blame and the mirror will become a hated place if that ever happens.

  • paul11201

    In what way do you feel the republican party is “democrat lite?”

  • PowerToThePeople

    Amen Melody. I know it is all spilled milk now, but none of the men who are being blasted for statements deserved for us to turn our back on them. None of the statements deserved it. I have said for years our reps need to learn to keep their mouths shut more often and make sure their statement is correct, clear, and concise, but the way so many of these idiots on our side are acting you would think one of two things, they were paid off by the left to ruin the campaign or they thought they heard the guys say something racist, sexist, said the rape victims should be executed for letting it happen, or something along those lines.

    We lost those seats because once again we demonstrated just how stupid we can be. We lost to Obama because we stayed home demonstrating just how dumb we are. There is only one thing that needs fixed in our party, end the stupidity and never shoot our own. It is the one lesson we need to learn from the left and put in practice real soon.

  • PowerToThePeople

    Some of our greatest leaders have been lawyers, so not sure why being a lawyer is a bad thing. There are a ton of scumbag lawyers and lawyer/ex-lawyers that are liars/scumbags, but there are just as many non lawyers in office that do as you say and that are as bad if not worse than the ones that are lawyers.

    Only thing that should matter is are they conservative and do they consistently vote conservative, not what their title here in real land is.

  • PowerToThePeople

    No one here cares what you think. I am sure you think you just enlightened us, but you are a joke, your party is a joke, and your opinion is worthless.

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com firstchevalier

    We don’t need any of this, I say ‘need’. It’s all good but we don’t ‘need’ any of it. What we NEED is to stop putting forth establishment moderates and put for candidates who can BE conservative instead of just TALK like a conservative.

  • checkmate2012

    If you have to ask that question, you may be on the wrong site. Or maybe you’re trying to be a comedian.

  • Melody Warbington

    A good nominee alone isn’t going to cut it anymore. As Ned says, it is imperative for us to have a ground game that is at a minimum competitive with the Democrats. That includes up-to-date, working technology and people at all levels, most importantly, at the local level who know how to use it and are willing to put in the time to win. We are facing an uphill battle against a well-oiled machine, no matter how great our nominee may be.

  • thehumancondition

    like larenzo said, dave, your message was delivered in the manner a psychopath posing as a liberal would have put forth. still, there is something to it, but why would you bust your hump for a party of phony conservatives who have done nothing to stop a criminal alien who has been placed in the white house by the likes of soros, gates, winfrey, and on and on and on. let’s get real and go ahead and toss murdoch in too.

  • thehumancondition

    we the people do NOT elect the president. it gets really old reading posts made by people who are promoting their political activism ideas, yet do not even understand the system that places a man in the white house. btw, romney is not a conservative and there aren’t any others in the republican party either. phony, say they are conservative and vote like it once in a while when they need the local constituent boost. controlled opposition. thumb it down, most do. doesn’t change the fact that reality matters. now, more than i have ever known it to.

  • thehumancondition

    you can accept the “blame” if you want to, but we the people don’t elect the president. what a joke, that americans, especially those who claim conservative ideology don’t even know the electoral college system, who chooses those electors and how they changed the voting procedure.

  • thehumancondition

    correct! and couple all of that with the FACT that republicans have done nothing but contribute to all the not even close to liberal, but definitely destructive actions against the nation claimed to be caring and compassionate, and what do we have? the inevitable collapse of the corporate states of america.

  • thehumancondition

    hear hear. anyone can vote consistently conservative while the other turncoats don’t, knowing that the numbers are all that matter for pass or fail.

  • thehumancondition

    obama? george hw bush announced the “new world order” on september 11, 1990 or 91. it’s all of them.

  • WmCraig

    I missed something Bill. I thought that Progressives is the name that the communists actually adopted after Stalin fell out of favor here. Progressive Socialism (which is a pretty accurate description of what happened) Not that I disagree with your sentiments about the post.

  • thehumancondition

    when you have to say you’re tired of voting for the lesser of two evils, it’s a sure thing that you know you have no representation, so why would you want to help someone gain more power who won’t represent you? who cares if it loses elections, one of which we aren’t for sure even a part of. the others, mega millions have always controlled as well. one more word, diebold.

  • thehumancondition

    right. because hagel, mccain, graham, christie and 90% more of them are so wonderfully conservative and just need suppport, right?

  • thehumancondition

    you’re comment is amazing to me. seldom do i see such an outright display what can only be described as obama supporter interactive skills on a supposed conservative forum. you sir, are presenting yourself in a most immature manner, and that destroys any credibility you “think” you have. incredible. here’s a clue for you, you are blathering on about an election that we the people aren’t really even a part of. if you think the popular votes are counted and you know the actual outcome, and they count toward the electoral college, thing again. oops.

  • PowerToThePeople

    Take your medicine, go find another subject to hump, I am not in the mood tonight to be pleasant to crazies. Got it?

  • thehumancondition

    just why do my comments raise your radar, sir, and why do you feel the need to tell me silence and observation is best for me? i am a conservative, constitutional, american who works hard and flies straight. how can my honest opinions of the situation this nation is in be anything that needs moderation, or worse, silenced?

  • PowerToThePeople

    Go spray some chem trails weirdo, I am the wrong person to go all Ron Paul on.

  • PowerToThePeople

    They may have hijacked it, but today’s leftist is not a progressive. The correct word or words is something we can not say in polite company.

  • Bill S

    Yes, I think I’ve heard that account before. But I’m pretty sure that’s not what was behind the transition from “liberal” to “progressive” in the last 10 years or so. My take is that we actually were able to create a “brand” for the Left with the word “liberal”, and they didn’t like it one bit. Thus the kinder, gentler “progressive”. And we fall right into their trap by using it ourselves.

  • Bill S

    Someone who comes in here and pretends to know who is who and what their posting habits are is automatically suspect. The best strategy for you is to MYOB and comment on something other than someone else’s commenting style.

    And that’s not really optional.

    (Oh, and a) learn to capitalize and b) learn to respond to the right comments…not your own)

  • thehumancondition

    nice. straight up hate from the red state crowd. since you went there, and since i won’t, i will simply tell you i am more of a goldwater type of guy. i think ron paul may be left of the current occupant destroying what’s left of freedom and liberty. but, thanks for the reply. i guess i am seeing how things work around here. too bad.

  • PowerToThePeople

    I will just leave you with what Bill said. If you make it past 30 comments, I may play ball with you and your delusions.

  • PowerToThePeople

    Well then by all means, shake the dirt off your shoes as you leave.

    Hate to tell you, the moment you invoked Goldwater in your delusional rants, he started doing flips in his grave. He would be embarrassed you know his name much less claim to support him.

    Now run along after those shadows and black ‘copters on your way to take your dose of Haloperidol.

  • thehumancondition

    i haven’t pretended to know anyone here, that’s your opinion, and it’s wrong. all i have done is speak my mind, share my opinion and end up being hated on by someone you obviously feel has a value that others don’t. if it’s the policy of this forum to speak hatefully to someone who is in support of the same things that i THOUGHT people here were, or to speak hatefully to someone who may not be but was respectful in their tone, then i guess i am at a loss for understanding. it’s a forum, people should be allowed to speak their mind, without being told to mind their own business or being banned.

  • thehumancondition

    that’s good. i can see i probably won’t make it past the thirty. i find that to be incredible, and not in a good way. mocking, ridicule, and fascist policies from the obama supporters i understand quite well. getting that here is definitely a surprise! i don’t understand the need to be hateful, that’s all. so i said something. i won’t apologize for having an opinion or not being a long time ‘member’ of the red state club. i thought this was a conservative site for discussion and sharing opinions.

  • thehumancondition

    um, wow. just wow! before you guys ban me for speaking my mind, tell me just how it is that my “rants” are delusional? is it that i have no faith in the republican party at this time, or in the electoral college being straight up, or relevant either way, as obama received 140% of votes when there are only 100% to be had, not to mention that is a probability most incredibly unlikely? what? i’ve mentioned NOTHING of the kind of conspiracy nonsense you have, why are you so quick to be hateful to me?

  • WmCraig

    Bad advice. Bad attitude. Actually your attitude could explain why people in this region are bailing on Republicans faster than rats from a sinking ship. I assume you can read though it doesn’t appear you understood. Texas has good schools so I will try and explain.

    I am not Asian, Black or Hispanic. I am not a recent graduate. I am not a member of the wedge communities. So there isn’t a damn thing I can do, and I learned that the hard way. I suggested that instead of wasting millions on ads no one sees, hire some of these community resources and put them to work. To win in this area you need to undermine the Democrats support by attacking them where they are weakest. From within the neighborhoods starting at the corner of promises and disappointment. Many in these communities could be brought to vote Republican. You need to put their most valued treasure, their young to work for you, building alternative community organizations reaching out to their community to identify needs, offer alternatives solutions, and build support for conservative values. We need to build fortresses of safe havens where the newly emboldened conservatives can strike out against the oppression of Democrat patronage economics.

    You say I should get off my butt and do this. Well, we tried for Romney. We mistakenly believed that Romney had a chance here. A small group of conservatives through our churches, our contacts, we spread the word. We are all now looking for working. Go figure. Coincidence I am sure, nothing to do with the company sponsored LGBT employee association in the corporation that has outsized influence over certain personnel decisions.

    .

    Individual effort (without Trump level finances) will not successfully compete with government funded (and corrupt government enforced) patronage economics. Obama has implemented the most effective republican vote suppression system since Democrats wore white hoods and Republican were lynched as examples. We are not fighting against Texas Democrats. Thank you.

    Obama did go without any outside support as he built his way up in the south side community organizations of Chicago. Are you saying I should find money elsewhere, maybe take money from the socialists, and the government to build a program? To do what? We already got ACORN affiliates and associates on every corner. Republicans are believers in free markets but even free markets need trade floors to thrive. We have no trade floor for our conservative ideas, we have no exchange where we can seek out compatible investments, leverage existing services or build allies. Are you saying I should do that all by myself? Because that is what it will take to win in a blue state and turn it red.

    And if San Antonio doesn’t care what is happening in the Delaware Valley I understand. I am a federalist advocate. But before we can change the government for the benefit of the whole nation, for example to make it possible to restore federalism, we need power from the whole nation. Then we can find someone with a vision. Getting that power means more than just shinning a light every four years or so into the dark recesses of the deep economic pit the democrats have made of the Delaware Valley. .

    Wanna get off your butt and help reach the vulnerable Democrat constituencies with your message? It’s your government, you get what you deserve. We all do.

  • PowerToThePeople

    Take your meds loser, you really need to calming affect. Not sure how many ways I can say that before it sinks in.

  • WmCraig

    You need to look at the latest elections, see who really won. Ronald Reagan would have imploded in Delaware, except Ronald Reagan nor any other conservative would be foolish enough to go against a Democrat in Delaware,

    Maybe some places with very little influence should be left to wallow in their own refuse.( Delaware has more Senators then Representative)

  • thehumancondition

    well, since i haven’t seen another reply, simply an edit to attack my grammar and the fact that, yes, i replied to the wrong comment since i was taken aback and a bit flustered, i’ll reply to that edit. i’m confused as to why you and powertothepeople came down on me with “suggestions” and hints of banishment, and he is allowed to hurl childish insults at me, instead of refuting my comments with facts i cannot deny. wouldn’t that be the thing to do on a conservative, adult forum? yes, i’m new, but i would expect a conservative forum to have mods who allow the freedom of speech, “private” forum or not. it wouldn’t matter if i wasted the time to humor you with perfect grammar at all. my opinion isn’t allowed without alinsky tactics being shoved down my throat.

  • westcoastpatriette

    You’re way off base in this discussion because you missed some very basic clues for why PTTP went off on paul11201 to begin with. Then you piped up and flew off the handle and continued to get more off-base.

    Also, I doubt that you have bothered to read the posting rules which make very clear what is supposed to be going on here with respect to the purpose of this site. All of those things have gotten you into trouble and I would suggest you take Bill S’s. advice and pipe down until you figure out what this place is about.

  • mogul264

    Community Organizer! Now, this is what Obama supposedly excelled at in the Chi-town area! This is also part of the Communist Manifesto plan to take over a country, isn’t it? Ayers and others in Obama’s background are Communists, right? Obama spent some time in the USSR? Maybe the conspiracists WERE CORRECT! Obama is just the figurehead, and Soros, Ayers, et all have pulled the BIGGEST CON in the WORLD!

    They have gotten a FULL BLOWN COMMUNIST, possibly not even a bona fide ‘native-born’ U.S. citizen, SON of at least ONE Communist, disguised as a black man for extra camouflage, elected as the U.S. President, and they are busily DESTROYING America from the government, the head, it’s weakest point! They even have control of the ring in the nose of the GOP leadership, else THESE would have been alert and might have defeated this con!

    Much as I hate to say it, the Commies have persevered, and now, they’ve WON! Kudos!

  • clearasday

    Yes, Romney lost, and so did the United States. Ultimately, I place the blame for that on the American people, especially those who voted for, promoted and protected Obama and all his enablers.

    Our cultural and educational institutions have been allowed to become propagandists for Big Government and an all-encompassing welfare state, which is incompatible with our Constitution and contrary to everything this nation was founded upon. If the people were properly educated and had a true understanding of how limited government, morals and virtue build a firm foundation for a prosperous and civil society, men like Obama would never even make it onto the ballot.

    If you have children, you can make a huge difference starting now, by teaching them what it really means to be an American. If you can, get them into schools that will reinforce and respect those beliefs.

  • thehumancondition

    may i ask you if you read your comment in reply, before posting it? i wonder, because you have stated that i “flew off the handle”. I will add that i find it quite odd that my opinions are to be in line with some posting rules, when in fact i have conducted myself in a mature manner, not hurled insults at anyone and respectfully requested explanation of why it is allowed to treat me in such a harsh, actually hateful manner, bolstered in what can only be support by the moderator. but, since i digress, please point me to the “flying off the handle” that you stated was done by me. one more thing… if you will. so, it’s ok for pttp to “go off” on a polite poster who was polite and respectful, even considerate if you read his post, but not ok for me to speak my mind about his “going off” over a registered user’s post? please forgive my confusion, it seems there is something awry with all of this…

  • westcoastpatriette

    Listen, I’m having a great Friday and intend to have a great weekend so my purpose in speaking up was not to engage in a spewing match with someone who has the social skills of a boor. There is such a thing as social etiquette and you are demonstrating that you are quite the fool by going off with righteous indignation on long-time posters not to mention a long-time moderator — especially since you are brand new. Run along now. I won’t waste anymore time trying to help you get a clue.

  • PowerToThePeople

    Listen Moron, let me go back and show you your first reply to me and lets look at what you stated shall we……….”"

    “you’re comment is amazing to me. seldom do i see such an outright
    display that can only be described as obama supporter interactive skills
    on a supposed conservative forum. you sir, are presenting yourself in a
    most immature manner, and that destroys any credibility you “think” you
    have. incredible. here’s a clue for you, you are blathering on about an
    election that we the people aren’t really even a part of. if you think
    the popular votes are counted and you know the actual outcome, and they
    count toward the electoral college, thing again. oops.”

    Now, I have never said a word to you in your short time here at the site, was not talking to you when I made the response to Paul, but yet you state the following about me:

    That I have Obama interactive skills, obviously an insult

    That I am immature or presenting myself as immature, an insult

    That I have destroyed my self inflated credibility, another insult

    And that I am ignorant about what I blather about, another insult.

    Now, I could care less if you insult me as your ability to insult is as pathetic as your grasp of the English language, your grasp on reality, and your grasp on cognitive thought, and I can throw insults with the best of them, but do not act as if I or anyone else targeted you and insulted you first. You made four insulting replies to me on four different comments to people who were not you. So play the victim card elsewhere.

    Now, as I suggested before, take your freaking meds you raving lunatic. And while you are handling that, put on a fresh diaper as your crybaby “my bottom hurts” act has worn thin.

    Then get to back covering your basement dwelling with tin foil. You are wasting time being here.

  • PowerToThePeople

    This guy is a crazy westcoastpatriette and off their meds. I can just see them bent over the keyboard, dirty, sweaty, watching the window straining to hear the copter blades, muttering incoherent words, scratching constantly while pulling a bit on their greasy hair, all while having tin foil wrapped not only all over their room but on their teeth as well so the CIA tracking device can not find them. I just happen to be the guy who seems most like a government agent to them so I get to be invited into crazy world. I refused the invitation, but he is persistent.

  • westcoastpatriette

    All I can do is laugh at that one. Political sites draw some crazies that’s for sure.

  • thehumancondition

    those comments were all factual. you were acting hateful and ridiculing someone who had made an honest post. if you don’t want to be replied to from another as to the lack of your internet interaction skills, then don’t act like an obama supporter when you post. it’s not a good representation of a conservative, again, factual. i can only hope it’s intern night here at red state, as if you are anymore than a college student, and this stated based on your “fresh diaper”, basement dweller, tin foil hat” type comments, we are all in trouble. learn to deal with constructive criticism, it isn’t a bad thing. when you learn to refute others comments with factual and informative replies, get back to me. till then, enjoy yourself. life is too short to be full of hate.

  • thehumancondition

    i see. so you have nothing more to say, as you cannot show where “i” went off as you stated. empty rhetoric in support of “long time” posters and mods here at red state. well, how sad this is how they treat people. yes, i am glad you mentioned there is such a thing as social etiquette! i suggest you take another look at who has the social skills of a boor. the baseless insults hurled at me, show the case, as do the thumbs up, which is a silly thing to me in a way. but, it’s there, and people used it. oh, i’m brand new, and need to fall in line and toe the line, is that it? maybe after you finish your good time friday night, you can waste a little more of your time to explain to me how that is any different than the collective mindset of leftist sycophants? i cannot blindly support those who don’t, won’t represent me and do the job of stopping the madness occurring in dc. i won’t apologize for that either. perhaps i should have been more polite to the person who was hateful to the other one? i’ll work on that…

  • PowerToThePeople

    God you are stupid. I am done for now since your account will not be active much longer. And if you do not want to be treated like the idiot you are, do not stick you nose into somewhere it does not belong. You are not a site mod, you are not a site owner, you have no business “correcting” anyone, you have no business sticking your nose into my replies, and you have no business acting like we “attacked poor ole you” when you are the one who attacked first when you stuck your nose into someone’s discussion. You also have no right to act pious and lecture someone on their attitude and posts when you yourself run off at the mouth, pathetically I might add.

    So for the short time you have your account here, run along and play with the kiddies. You are just too stupid to be dealing with the rest of us.

    PS Why would I hate you, whether you live or die matters none to me. Your existence is irrelevant to me. If you dropped dead in the next few minutes, I would not care. So since you matter so little to me, I could care less about wasting the time to hate you. I do not hate pathetic people like you, I mock them.

  • clearasday

    How do you make rational decisions about candidates or their positions if you are not concerned with assessing whether their statements, policies or experience are based on facts or truth? You claim to be looking for “credible candidates,” so what is your magic formula for determining credibility without taking into consideration what is true or false?

  • thehumancondition

    you have no business pretending to be a conservative. conservatives do not use rules for radicals as a guide to dealing with those who don’t toe the line according to your idea of reality. i see that you don’t pity, you mock. that’s why i mentioned alinsky tactics. thanks for reminding me my time here is short, as i will be banned for speaking my mind, no, for DARING to speak my mind while you are allowed to berate at will. i will and have already been putting it to good use. sharing is a wonderful thing. take care and best of luck to you.

  • checkmate2012

    30 must be a lonely number….see ya!

  • Bill S

    You can speak your mind about the subject of the diary. Just don’t go around playing comment policeman. Those who do that don’t last long.

  • checkmate2012

    daveinsa’ is right and not being rude. Why the pile on? I’m not big on 144 characters but it works so it should be embraced. I’d like to see interactive internet town halls by the GOP/lawmakers before passing a bill, at least a major bill like immigration, debt, healthcare, etc.
    .
    At minimum, an internet vote on proposed bills once voter registration is verified so it’s not trolled. The more engagement the better, before bills are passed, and would give We the People a voice in the madness.

  • thehumancondition

    bill, i fail to see the reason for being hateful in comments, that’s all. maybe i failed in my original reply, but i wasn’t hateful, just honest about what i had witnessed and according to being surprised about it. conservatives should be armed with the common sense that most people supporting the backward ideologies of the “left” project as reasonable are lacking. why do you support being rude and actually hateful, yet realize no one should use the disgusting term tea bagger? you have allowed “me” (it’s just the internet) to be mocked with all of the same type buzz phrases as those on the “left” use against those on the “right”, but only when their candidate is in “power” at the time. then these are the things they actually say, and mean. my posts are legitimate, actual facts about our system and our current and ongoing situation. i am not worried about being banned for speaking my mind, or standing up for another when he is being abused instead of refuted with factual information that allows others to learn and or agree with experienced knowledge. information isn’t knowledge until it’s experienced and alinsky tactics are useless for anyone but the crowd that depends on the more than ignorant. take care.

  • PowerToThePeople

    Too funny Bill, so this person is not only trying to be site cop, determiner of poster conservatism, but is also causing the mod who has to deal with flagged posts grief in that area all while being rude to said mod. Just can not help stupid can you?

    If I am still on earth near Christmas, I am going to form and start funding the give a mod a gift fund. With the trash and crazies you guys deal with, all loyal posters should help purchase a nice gift for all you guys just to reward you for the work you do on a volunteer basis. I could never be a mod as I have no patience at all and poster like him would not stay around very long.

    Now that I have had my nightly laugh and my epiphany, going to drink a tall beer while I watch the new, then heading to bed. Have a great night.

  • Bill S

    I repeat: it’s not your responsibility to police comments. If you don’t like the tenor of the comments, ignore them. This is the last one from you on this topic. I’m being especially permissive tonight because it’s Friday and I’m generally in a good mood. But if you persist in blathering about this, that’s all she wrote.

  • the human condition

    that’s fine bill, i think the other people posting here have made things clear without saying a word, and i have already said take care. have a good one!

  • the human condition

    me too. that’s an understatement. sycophancy is a terrible thing.

  • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

    This all makes a lot of sense, but do you really believe, Ned, that we can carry it off with only “local organizers on the ground, and those local organizers must train the grassroots on technology while organizing the grassroots into meaningful, targeted work; essentially community organizing and political education, and a lot of both” without first having a cadre of well-trained party professionals to train and guide them?

    In December I noted Republicans’ need for “a way to get their case to the public, a way that the public can understand and accept.” Today I’ll add the need to convince our targeted audience to CARE about our case and WANT to do something to support it. And I also add the need to keep our message coming out perpetually, not just during election campaigns.

    http://www.redstate.com/flagstaff/2012/12/31/the-state-of-the-union-message-that-will-not-be-presented-in-january/

    Thank you for presenting updated information about ways to get the message out more effectively, ways to overcome the Democrats’ advantage in free SEIU manpower.

  • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

    Yes. Democrats don’t worry about whether they’re voting for the lesser of two evils. They know they will get more of what they want if they vote Democratic, and they do.

    In writing that, I realize that what Republicans need to do is act like conservative Republicans when they are in office, instead of wishy-washy Democrats. Grow a spine and conservatives won’t be worrying about the lesser of two evils, either.

    But conservative Republican voters as well need to recognize that electing a Democrat is NOT better than electing even a weak Republican. But for sure we need to elect more STRONG Republicans, and cut some conservative ones some slack if they say something stupid while campaigning.

    For the record, both Obama and Biden said things that were as objectionable and stupid as anything said by any Republican candidate for Senate, perhaps more so. That didn’t stoop Democrats from voting for them.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    We’re going to have an opportunity to see what we’re made of.

    The leftists here in Arizona have announced they are going to try to recall Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

    http://seeingredaz.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/an-urgent-message-from-sheriff-joe-arpaio-update/

    Here’s some info about how many Republicans in Maricopa County are actually involved in party politics at the precinct level:

    http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2013/01/14/whats-the-republican-conservative-officer-count-on-your-county-committee-did-you-have-a-vote/

    Wonder how many Redstaters will make a few GOTV phone calls for Sheriff Joe?

    Thank you.

    CW
    http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com

  • macbookben

    How to contend? Hit’em in the pocketbook.

  • commonsenseobserver

    3 years ought to be enough to catch up and get ahead, frankly.
    It wasn’t as much the technology as much as the recruitment, structure and culture itself that propelled the Democrats to this lead.

  • theskalawag929

    Republican policies causing the economic downturn isn’t an Obama meme. It’s the meme throughout the economic community.

  • theskalawag929

    Now you have to be better community organizers.

    Isn’t that a characteristic that you found so hilarious in the current 2nd term president?

  • theskalawag929

    This is just a Liberal observation, as long as republicans continue to resist change they will become extinct. As Darwin concluded adapt or die survival of the fittest..

  • PowerToThePeople

    No one asked for your liberal opinion did they? The day we ask a POS for advice or an opinion, we will call you. Until then, go give advice to those with your low IQ, the left.