Who’s endorsing anything. Inclusion isn’t endorsement.

Also, you’ve also got the issue of rights upside-down. No one gets righst through sexual practices. It’s that no one should lose rights through legal sexual practices. A non-gay prom excludes gays from the right to go to prom. A normal prom only allows everyone to show up by virtue of being a graduating senior (or whatever the schools criteria is).

If you’re tired of hearing about gays, then get people like this to shut up and make sure they get the same rights as anyone else – no more and no less.

We exclude people all the time. When we meet for our republican meeting, we exclude democrats as we do not want them knowing our plans. Any school of any belief will exclude non believers as they will not practice or teach in accordance with the beliefs of that school. Boy scouts meet and exclude women and the female branch excludes men.

Since the event is separate from the school function, they are well within the rights to exclude people who do not believe the same way. They can do it for any reason or no reason at all. You do not have to include people in events aimed at a certain belief or faith in order to witness to them.

From your other post:

“If you’re tired of hearing about gays, then get people like this to shut
up and make sure they get the same rights as anyone else – no more and
no less.”

You and your gay companions do not have the right to do everything everyone else does. You have no right to barge into their event. Same would apply if a gay group decided to have a gay event (prom) and declared it was a gay only event. You do not get to take from others and claim it as a right. You have the right to hold your own event and exclude who you wish to, so your rights are protected.

We’re going to disagree.

1) I see no need to pretend this is normal or beneficial, be inclusive and thereby tacitly endorse it.

2) They have the same rights as everyone else… This does not include admission to a private event.

3) No, I’m not going to encourage these people to “shut up” In fact, I want to see more people like them take a stand.

Sorry we don’t see things the same way.

Jesus did not exclude the sinner, but He did expect and exhort all sinners to repentence. There is a huge difference between repenting of one’s sins and refusing to acknowledge them, even glorying in them. Jesus wept bitterly over the sinners who would not repent.

As the owner of Chick-Fil-A shows us, we can stand agains sin without being hostile to the sinners, and in fact be a testimony to them:

http://www.dennyburk.com/dan-cathy-befriends-leading-gay-activist-opponent/

If Christian kids want to have a Christian prom and create a Christian environment then that is exactly what they should do. Of course, if they want to make sure they adhere to the most fundamental tenets of Christ’s teaching, they shouldn’t exclude anyone.

The older I get the more I realize how much Grace it has taken to get me here. As such, it seems self righteous to try to deny that Grace to others.

I get what you are saying, and I agree that we must be careful to not exclude when appropriate. But let me ask you this.

I assume you are gay from some of your comments, but either way, for sake of argument, let us assume you are. Let us also say I am a serious anti gay person belonging to a group of similar people. You and other gay people decide to hold a celebratory meeting to celebrate gay accomplishments over the last 50 years. I want to come and bring some of my group. Would you want me there or decline to allow me to attend. You know I will be a splinter in the side of all there, I will probably raise a stink or at least be vocal in my opposing of your lifestyle, etc.

Same applies here. This is a celebratory event, not a mission event or church, it is for fun. They want people there who believe in God and who do their best to follow his laws. I can not conceive of a reason why a gay person would want to attend except to start trouble or voice their opinion loudly. It is wise to exclude as it would be for the above example.

There are times to be inclusive and there are times to exclude.

What they want to happen at the school and how this event is being done are two very separate things. It is because the school will not exclude anyone that they are holding the event outside the school.

I do, and there are a ton who live in accordance to God’s law. Does not mean they do not make mistakes, but it is obvious when they have and their repentance is genuine. There are a bunch of great and godly kids out there who do not live ungodly lifestyles. If all the kids you know indulge in immoral lifestyles, then you may want to worry about the state of the area you live in and work hard to get those kids into a God fearing church.

I need to remind you Breeanne, that Christ practiced exclusion. He did not allow non believers to be his disciples, the men who surrounded him constantly from the start of his ministry to his death, he did not send unbeliever or those living in sin out into the missions ministry, he only brought the saved into his meals and prayers, etc. His mission was to bring all to God and in that he excluded no one, but personally, he surrounded himself exclusively with those who believed in him.

He loved the world, he sat with the unsaved, he ate with the unsaved, but when it came time to relax or refresh, he excluded most everyone including all who were not a part of the faith or living sinful lifestyles. Christ in his infinite wisdom recognized the difference between missions and time spent only with believers and he knew how important it was for believer to spend time with fellow believers for rebuilding, renewal, strength, etc

None of us are here to make anyone feel better about a particular perversion..

That’s not our job.

As parents, we have a job.. and it is protecting our children against negative influences.

And, I don’t particularly care how people feel about that.

It’s none of their business.

They don’t have a right to associate with people who don’t wish to associate with them because of their behavior.. Regardless of what that behavior may be.

“And, I don’t particularly care how people feel about that.”

This is you, publicly stating that you’re perfectly happy protecting your children by forcing a spectacle of humiliation onto someone else’s children.

This is why we lose. And yes, we are losing.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

“… No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

That would be different … but where are you getting this information?

He did not worship with the sinners, because they could not worship what they didn’t know. But he most definitely did not separate from sinners in everyday events, which I would consider a party/prom to be.

An interesting article: http://graceuniversity.edu/iip/2011/12/11-12-31-1/

I hope you will stand with those who are doing this when gay rights activists say the same thing about them. Or when Dan Savage calls the Bible bulls**t. Or colleges vote to kick Chik Fil A off campus. Or teachers harass conservative students. Or a minister is denied a place at the podium during the inauguration. Etc, etc, etc.

FWIW, I don’t think this is a good idea on a lot of different levels. I think the Christian response to homosexuals and homosexuality should be much different than this. But maybe the people who are choosing to do this feel the same way about the purported message of gay rights activists, and don’t “want to go near those people again”.

It is very, very difficult for me to feel inclusive and loving when it seems the sole purpose of the gay rights agenda is to lay waste to any individual or organization that does not agree with them. As far as this incident goes, we’ll see who gets the death threats. I doubt it will be the gay members of this community.

Then we part ways..

As I said, it’s not my job.. As a Christian or as a parent, to help you showcase homosexuality.

You don’t have to like that, but I’m going to insist that you respect it..

And to the bit about “us” losing.. There’s no “us”

That’s obvious.. Keep the cheap shot, emotional appeals to yourself.

We have nothing in common.. Don’t get preachy either.

I don’t care.

The first paragraph talks about “creating a separate prom.”

You are correct Bill that he did not worship with sinners, but there are also examples where he only surrounded himself with his believers in situations other than worship.

But besides that point, when is it OK for Christians to have events just for them and who can they exclude. As I asked Neil, would you be OK with Muslims having a Muslim only event, how about an Atheist only event, or a non political republican only event? If so, and rightfully I may add, why not the Christians? Would you be OK with them excluding kids who are drunk, who hate Christians, hardcore Atheist? If so, why the indignation when they exclude gays?

Not saying the teacher has all her screws as the whole “no purpose” line is absurd as is the “never change” as many do. But everyone has a right to party with those who are like them, Christians included.

I agree we are to be witnesses, we are to be friendly, we are to love everyone, etc as the article alludes to. But at the same time we can have our own events without having to expect everyone’s wrath. Church’s have held faith only events for generations that did not have a religious teaching purpose, not sure why this group all of a sudden can not. They should shut the teacher up as she is sounding quite hateful, but the event is not the problem.

Who is showcasing homosexuality? It’s those particular Christians with this “Prom” that are showcasing it. They have the right to do as they please, but in this case, it’s not the homosexuals that are showcasing their beliefs, it’s that group and the teacher saying they have no purpose in life that is even bringing this event to light. If they had let Prom be Prom and not made some big deal about it, then no one would even know any different. It’s their decision to ostracize homosexuals that is making news. And this event will do nothing but embolden them more then likely.

not government – I never said that. i think ordinary folk need to do that.

No, I think that is pretty much it!

Yknow, I dont think anyone would say it’s okay for kids to take drugs or drink alcohol at the actual prom. But you must realize there will be plenty of kids at the prom who, elsewhere in their lives, use drugs and alcohol. And I think we should mostly be okay with that. Because what’s the alternative?

A big part of graduating high school and becoming an adult is learning that in a free, pluralistic society we sometimes are exposed to things we don’t like or even find offensive. And being able to just deal with it. Being at the same event as people whose behavior you find immoral is not the end of the world. If you are worried that including gays in the prom will somehow make the rest of the kids aware of homosexuality and lead to their moral fabric being torn in half, well I don’t know what to tell you but Im pretty sure every high school kid in America knows that gay people exist.

ah, the constitution does apply to gays? or the constitution doesn’t apply to religious expression? or the constitution doesn’t apply to schools? perhaps the constitution doesn’t apply to government …

Excluding anyone seems so unnecessary and unChristian.

These young adults are going into the world where the views on homosexuality are changing whether or not you agree with it.

They WILL be working, shopping, banking, living in neighborhoods with gay citizens for the rest of their lives.

This separate prom arranged by adults is only making the issue worse. One doesn’t have to agree with a behavior, but we all live in this world together.

This is about making a statement- and that statement is definitely ‘we don’t accept you’.

As the young adults like to ask: WWJD? Indeed. What would he do? I highly doubt that our savior would act like these parents, teachers and students are.

I agree with you. As I said, IF it’s unaffiliated with the school, though I don’t think it’s a very good idea, it’s what they want to do. And from what I read, school officials said legally they cannot allow this separate event, so these students and parents are taking matters into their own hands. To me that means a private event. If the school was involved, then yeah, I would have a problem with it.

All that being said, I hope the mindboggling irony of the “don’t get preachy” response has not been lost in the shuffle.

yes agreed a separate prom is very different from a private prom.

I have no problem with the seperate prom idea. That is well within their rights and if they do not wish to be exposed to that on prom night, so be it. However, the way it seems they have gone about it does not seem to be the best way to illustrate the love of Jesus (aka the words of the teacher). There is a bettter way to handle this, though I think push back would occur from the pro-gay community.

For instance, if both sides really wanted to show respect they would require that every person come in gender appropriate attire and ban all public displays of affection whether gay or straight. This would eliminate quite a bit.

I must admit, I am curious to know what prompted the seperate prom. Was it the inclusion of gays or the flaunting of it? There is a big difference. Remember that Jesus also said that whoever cause a child to stumble would be better off hanging a millstone around his neck and drowning himself. So there is that.

I suspect that the prohibition at the Christian prom is actually not against homosexual students, but against coming as a same-sex “couple.” If so, then the folks who are setting up a separate prom should be applauded for providing their children with a prom that expects moral behavior.

It is important for Christians to love the sinner, but it is also important for us to condemn sin when it is thrust before us. A homosexual is a sinner in need of God’s grace like the rest of us, and we Christians need to reach out in love to help them find that grace. But we do not show love by pretending there is nothing wrong with homosexual behavior or implying approval of their relationships. Jesus gladly ate with sinners, but he did so to urge repentance. He routinely pronounced judgment on those who didn’t think they needed to repent.

Coming to a prom as a gay couple is an open declaration of an ongoing sin. Heterosexual sins are as bad, but they generally aren’t done in a way that forces bystanders to either express disapproval or be viewed as tacitly accepting the behavior. An unmarried couple that lives together comes closest, but the sinful aspect to the relationship still isn’t as obvious. But Christians should avoid situations that suggest support for such arrangements. For example, if I were a landlord I wouldn’t lease an apartment to an unmarried couple.

Breeanne, you seem to indict an entire group of kids and parents and one teacher on very little evidence. Did you try to contact any of them to hear their side of the story instead of relying on reporters who see fit to include links to Dan Savage and his typical Christians are haters response?

It’s one thing if the group were pressuring the school to ban any students from the prom or any other school-wide event. Quite another if, as at least some reports indicate, they met to discuss holding what they considered a traditional prom for themselves. I know several groups from churches and home schoolers who do just that. There’s certainly nothing wrong or un-Christian in doing so.

You might have at least included the entire quote from the teacher.

“I believe that it was life circumstances and they chose to be that way; God created everyone equal,” said special ed teacher Diana Medley. “Homosexual students come to me with their problems, and I don’t agree with them, but I care about them. It’s the same thing with my special needs kids, I think God puts everyone in our lives for a reason.”

On a related issue, it should concern all of us that religious freedom is being suppressed on all fronts. For example, how many religious organizations, primarily Christian, have left college campuses rather than be forced to comply with the “all comers” rule?

“The school [Vanderbilt] wanted any student to be able to lead or be a part of any campus club. The problem is, many religious clubs on campus adhere to strict moral codes and their leaders are required to promise to live by the same rules, such as no sex before marriage (and then only between a man and a woman). The idea that they could no longer bar atheists or people with conflicting values from leading their religious clubs appalled most of the students in the room.

[snip]

Since that meeting, more than a dozen on-campus religious groups have refused to change their leadership requirements and are no longer officially recognized by the school.”

This is happening across the country. How soon before we no longer have the right to voice our beliefs at all?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765589445/Religion-on-campus-Status-of-religious-student-groups-is-challenged-by-court-ruling.html?pg=all

Fwiw, I wouldn’t be so quick to assume how this really plays out. Among teenagers, humiliation is a target-rich environment, and blowback is brutally efficient. The sympathies expressed here may be, ironically, misplaced.

Excellent post Breanne!! This is truly disturbing what this group of parents are doing. It is also a horrible way for them to witness about their faith.

Your response to their actions is a shining example of Christ’s love. Thanks Breanne for all that you do!!

Really? How are you going to do that? Demand to see their marriage license? What if they show you one, how are you going to be sure they didn’t get a fake one? Are you going to authenticate it with the county? What if it is from a different state? Are you going to not let them rent until you get verification from that state that it is legitimate? What if just one person rents the apartment and then gets a roommate of the opposite sex? What if it really is a platonic, strictly financial relationship? What if they really are married but get a divorce and still live together for financial reasons? How will you know? And, if you do find that out, are you going to go through the eviction process? What if they keep their rent up to date, will you local government allow eviction in that case? What will you do if the local laws prohibit you from eviction–will you try to physically throw them out? Maybe kill them? Making stupid blanket statements is not really a way to win arguments.

Well, here are some thoughts. You cannot keep a student in good standing from attending Prom at his or her school. So, if two girls attend and dance together you either allow it or cause a scene by breaking it up, and end up causing pain and embarrassment–even if they are heteros who just want to dance. The same is true of two males, even if they are heteros. Or, even if they are gay.

If the school has a policy that allows gays to attend and dance together and you make a public fuss at the Prom about it, then you are the one causing pain and embarrassment. If you object to the school’s policy the proper response is to not attend the dance. It is not to attend the dance and cause a scene. If you did so, the school would be within its rights to remove you from the dance, and maybe from the school, depending on published school policies and due process. If you object to those policies the proper response is to protest to the board, not at the Prom, and/or enroll in a different school.

So, allowing students to attend Prom is inclusion. Period. The only thing it endorses is Prom attendance for students in good standing. Period.

The fact that some people will try to make more of it than it is does not mean they are correct. I am a Spurs fan, and have been for decades now. But, that does not mean I endorsed Dennis Rodman’s bizarre off-court behavior, nor some of is on-court antics either. I cheered when he got a rebound, but booed when he head butted opponents. Insisting that inclusion is endorsement is claiming that I support head butting when I don’t. And, no matter how loudly you insist, it is still not true. It would be claiming Christ endorsed adultery when he told the woman He did not condemn her and that she was to go and sin no more. He did not endorse her sin, and yet He included her in the opportunity for forgiveness if she repented and sinned no more. (By not condemning her at the time He is allowing her time to repent and remold her life. If she doesn’t do that, then He will condemn her at the Judgement.) So stop saying inclusion is endorsement when it is NOT!

Yes, I remember you. I understand where you stand.
I also understand that many people with traditional values feel under siege, and this is probably a reaction to that. The beliefs I have, rooted in thousands of years of tradition and law, are now characterized as hateful and bigoted. Hell, if I’m going to be blamed for it I might as well do it.

Now to the matter at hand. What will probably happen is that Dan Savage and all his henchmen will deliver death threats and hate speech far worse than any they have ever experienced, which will make the people who decided to do this sympathetic to some, and we will get nowhere.

What the gay youth involved in this SHOULD do is tell the Gay Hurricane to stay away, then to go to the prom and be dignified, happy, and have a good time, and show everyone in the community that they do have a purpose in life and are human. In other words, behave like the gay youth that come to my home at the invitation of my children. This is not a slap in the face, but an opportunity delivered on a silver platter.

Uhm, she never said they didn’t have a “right” to have a private prom. She does have the right (and obligation), however, to state this “separate” prom is hopelessly misguided.

So we can’t take issue with an event, as long as it’s “legal?”

Twenty years ago homosexual couples would not have been accepted at a public school dance. Now, they are. Society has decided to accept their behavior and now endorse it by openly allowing it. Remember, Christians are to be in the world but not of the world.

Not only did you endorse Rodman, you paid and thus encouraged him to act the way he did. You did so every time you supported the Spurs and thus supported their decision to hire him and have him represent their team. [Did Rodman play for the Spurs?]

The passage about Jesus and the women caught in adultery does nothing to prove your point. Jesus offered her grace but he also commanded her to go forth and sin no more. He did not include her or endorse her behavior. In fact, He called it sin and told her not to do it. He did not invite her and her lover to a dance.

It is sort of a “don’t ask, don’t tell” situation. I don’t go looking for sin to condemn, and try to give people the benefit of the doubt. But if someone is openly sinning and wants me to facilitate that sin, then I can’t just pretend that what they are doing is okay.

Note that the impact is reversed from that of a prom: two guys going to a prom as a couple declares a sinful relationship while a guy and a girl does not. But when renting an apartment, it’s the mixed couple that strongly suggests a sinful relationship while the two guys are probably just sharing expenses.

Nice diary. Idiotic laws like this only hurt the conservative movement.

“There is no God” comes to mind.

To your point though, I believe God has a plan for everyone, and therefore everyone has a purpose in life. That is part of the reason why I have a big problem with abortion and Death Panels. Not only do those affected not get to fulfill God’s plan, but we don’t get the benefit of what God had in store.

In all these situations, it seems that the bell tolls for us.

Not so fast. From http://www.sullivan-times.com/

“Word of a gay couple, or couples, attending the Sullivan High School
prom and participating in grand march began circulating rapidly in
January when a student-led petition was passed around school requesting that homosexual students be allowed to attend. But school officials told the Times last week that the petition was misguided in that no student has ever been denied that right. They also stopped its circulation, reportedly, because it was disrupting the educational process.”

Wouldn’t be the first time somebody with an agenda stirred things up or used others to do so.

And as for the quote from the teacher, “The Times has also received reports that some of the quotes were taken out of context, but nonetheless, those latter words were lamented on many blogsites and in discussions on social media.”

Why in the world are so many here willing to take the reports at face value?

No way to argue otherwise: as a separate private event, they’d be well within their rights to exclude whoever they wish. Of course this does come with repercussions. Thanks to the wonders of the internet, I can search the names of a student quoted in any of these pieces and end up with this news story. This will be true for quite some time. I’m sure these kids perfectly understand that future potential employers or clients may not wish to associate themselves with this. I know I certainly want nothing to do with a petty and spiteful interpretation of Christianity, and I know HR managers who’ve trash binned applications for far less contentious things that turned up in the opening Google. I’m absolutely certain they won’t cry religious persecution if others decide it’s not in their best interest to associate with them, and by extension endorse their viewpoint, right?

But they are within their rights to do so. And they were within their rights to make a public spectacle of the issue, which by all accounts it appears those seeking to make a separate prom were the ones to take it to the press. Now the rest of us have the right to choose how we’ll react to these individuals.

What is wrong with all the “conservatives” here?! Some kids and parents want to organize a SEPARATE PRIVATE EVENT for people who believe a certain way. So what? Who here would get all up in arms if teenagers who think they are homosexual decide to have a “gay-only” prom? Would that be illegal or wrong?

These people don’t want to pretend to believe that homosexuality is “ok” just because that is what happens to be politically correct at this time. They have every right to organize a separate event and everybody who disagrees is guilty of falling into the liberal trap that people can and should be forced to give up their traditional moral values.

I think we are rapidly approaching the point where anyone under 30 who is against the state allowing gay marriage specifically opposes it because of their Faith. As such, I’m not sure that number is going to increase that much over the next 10-20 years. However, unlike some other issues, it doesn’t appear to be one that getting married and having a family is likely to change the person’s mind to oppose it, so in 12 years, those current 18-29 year olds are going to be 30-41 and still support in by about 73% and the 18-29 year olds at that point will be about the same.

In short, the new voters each year are considerably more pro-gay marriage than those who are no longer voting (due to passing away).

If you don’t like that traditional prom, then don’t attend.

Checkmate. =)

Looks like the NYT featured a “Sharia” prom last year. And they banned a lot of students from attending who didn’t fit in.

Now that I brought this to everybody’s attention, I’m sure the media and us will all bash that school and those hateful organizers and condemn them for not being “Muslim” enough for excluding certain groups of people (actually on second thought, maybe some people would say that is VERY Muslim . . . ). I’m sure all there were a lot of teenagers who were permanently scarred for life for being banned, much like the gay students at the Sullivan High School.

How about it Breeanne?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/05/07/shariah-prom-mich-school-holds-all-girls-dance-to-accomodate-students-islamic-beliefs/

I’d have the same reaction if it were any group of children being treated as worthless by a group of peers and parents.

I really hope your comment isn’t insinuating I’m some sort of cultural bigot. That would be terribly unfortunate, considering I never once attacked anyone’s RIGHT to host a separate prom, or to keep it private.

I’ve made a lot of mistakes in my life, many of which I regret, specifically those wherein I sinned and fell woefully short of God’s standard. No doubt there have been times I handled a situation poorly. However, I have never and will never regret standing for that standard which is perfect. Those who believe in traditional marriage as instituted by God himself when he joined Adam and Eve have nothing to be ashamed of.

Not to mention that I surely wouldn’t put my faith in the 18-29 age group – the same group that voted for Obama and supports many other leftist policies. When they grow up and have to live under Obama’s thumb, I think they are going to really, really regret ever having voted for him.

While I do not like what the special education teacher said about “not having a purpose”, according to someone upthread her full statement was not reported. While I do not think it justifies that comment, it certainly shows her to have some compassion and not be the total hate-monster being portrayed here.
I would like to know what prompted this action to have a seperate prom and what actions, if any, were taken to try and make it a non-issue before going with a seperate prom (ie, gender appropriate attire, no PDA regardless of being gay or straight). I think people are forgetting that the belief that homosexuality is a sin is part of the world’s three major religions (Christianity, Islam, and Judaism). I think that respect is a two-way street when it comes to issues like these. After all, are we not taught to be respectful of others’ religious convictions or beliefs?

You know what is sad? Your statement probably represents the most common sense on this thread, yet few have given it an “up” arrow. I guess they prefer the more inflammatory and disrespectful comments. I for one “liked” what you had to say!

OK, Conservatives, HOLD ON A MINUTE!!! Desiring to have a “private” prom is well up to the promsters as to whom they invite. It IS a free nation, if I remember correctly.
2nd, As Christian parents, are we not to be protecting our children & teaching them to be wise with who they are “hanging around”? Would we want our children to be hanging around druggies or those that smoke? Or someone who is promiscuous, albeit hetero? We are tobe “gentle as doves, wise as serpents…”
As Christians, we are not to be upholding “active sin”, those living in sin, etc.
Could you imagine the outcry (actually the LOUD SILENCE) if this were a Muslim group having a separate “whatever”?
Shame on each of you Conservatives, esp. those of you professing Christianity, for chastising these parents for protecting their youth & for the children desiring to be pure & hang around others with pure hearts.
Yes, EACH of us are sinners, there is NO sin that is more “sin” than another, but remember that Jesus admonishes each of those whom He is in contact with to “go and sin no more”.
Therefore, if a young person “knows” that he is “gay”, he has therefore sexually sinned. If he CONTINUES in this activity – hetero or homo – then he is actively living in sin, actively choosing to disobey God.
There are many of us that have “thought” we were gay & if we were influenced when we were that young, we could easily have been pushed. I know as I was heavily “pushed” when I was <18, stationed in Germany as a young Army bandsman. A "father figure" & my "best friend" tried their best, I came close because I was lonely & girls didn't seem to be attracted to me…
But, through God's grace & protection, I gained new friends who were there to stand with me in a life "for God".
No, I definitely wasn't "perfect", I've never been "perfect", but each day I rise & thank God that I am a Child of God, that I'm forgiven for my sins & I try my best to live for Him…..

Repentance is NOT acceptance. to repent means to STOP doing the sin. IF a homosexual turns away from their sin and repent, then they would be welcome. God does not say we are supposed to accept those that are sinners, we are to pray for them but that does not mean acceptance.

Aside from the snide ageist remarks, your 2nd paragraph is the crux of the entire thing.

I now see why some schools refuse to sponsor proms. I, for one, would NOT like to have to decide the gay date situation. That may be the only equitable solution. And, those uber-religious types need to remember the Biblical admonitions, “Judge not lest ye be judged!”, and “He who is without sin, cast the first stone!”

I know of only ONE qualified for the last saying!

Wrong. Jesus stated that He came not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. Thus verifying the validity of the Old Testament and claiming Himself as its fulfillment. This is not a theological site, so I will not go into great detail. But it is absolutely incorrect to somehow claim that Jesus did not deem homosexuality (as many other things) as a sin. That is truth. The New Testament and the Gospels do not somehow invalidate the truths of the Old Testament. That is an old liberal argument that has been debunked multiple times.
Jesus was talking to a Jewish community who was well aware of what the Torah and the Law deemed as sin. When He referred to sin, He was referring to the sin outlined in these texts. Jesus would not have been so patronizing as to list every sin and expound upon it. He knew His audience and geared His teaching towards them. Your argument is not only theologically incorrect, but illogical as well.

As for Jesus’ behavior, He confronted sin many times boldly in the Bible. Need I reference His sacking of the Temple? You are trying to take your image of who you think Jesus is and impose it on this situation. The language of the teacher is certainly not very Christ-like, but the act of a separate prom is quite debatable. And to claim you have the answers on how Jesus would act in this situation is rather arrogant.

I am puzzled by your references to “superstitious skeptics” and “self-imposed identity as Christians.” I could be wrong, but it seems you do not care for Christians. Yet you are trying to dictate how you think Jesus would act in this situation. Could you clarify?

Ahh a liberal giving us life lessons. Is that not ironic.

Homosexual conduct is eroticism. It’s nothing more than that. It’s not a live style that brings anything of lasting merit. It propagates STDs just as does fornication. It’s an abomination in all religious beliefs that are above cultism.

I’ll accept that ‘allies’ is a bit strong; I’ll retract that.

Equally unhelpful is Howe tagging her post ‘Antigay’. That plays into the MSM / gay activist narrative on this controversy, attributing the genesis of this alternate prom to dark motives, instead of the stated origin in Christian conscience. Like it’s rhetorical first cousin ‘homophobe’, ‘Antigay’ is a mindreading act largely deployed to gain strategic advantage, and shut down debate.

On that last note – if you believe my posting history warrants it, and that it’ll improve the conversation here at Redstate – ban me. With my blessing. I don’t stay where I’m not welcome, and I’ll find other uses for the time.