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Christopher Dorner Fan Clubs Are Beyond Detestable.

America's Crappy Remake of Sympathy For The Devil

Thousands on Facebook Consider This Man a Hero.

Thousands on Facebook Consider This Man a Hero.

Christopher Dorner wanted to exact revenge for the fact that he had been fired from the LAPD. He apparently believed that the murders of Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence were necessary, yet not sufficient to fulfill that requirement. He hadn’t exacted true revenge until he called up Monica Quan’s father, Randall Quan, and taunted him about how easy it was to shoot his daughter.

What I described above tells me all I need to know about Christopher Dorner. Even in an older, more savage age, he could have been a man of honor if he were to have met Randall Quan somewhere and had it out with him man to man. Shooting the man’s daughter and then calling him up to rub it in should mark Christopher Dorner as a detestable coward, a man unfit for the role of the anti-hero. To root for Christopher Dorner is to root for genuine evil. This is America’s crappy remake of “Sympathy For The Devil.”

Yet thousands of Americans are currently doing just that. People are posting to Facebook that Dorner should run for President. One online page announces that “LAPD Cop Killer Christopher Dorner Is A Hero.”

That isn’t to say Dorner is not completely sympathetic. He clearly comes off as a lucid, intelligent man who has tried to make it in society. To his demise, he lost his job, his name was ruined and he’s forced to live with his mom. Many evil people do suffer from the slings and arrows of iniquitous fortune. Good people suffer these things as well. Good people handle them without resort to homicidal rampages. Yet that doesn’t prevent Dorner from playing the victim as he justifies his hideous deeds. RS Poster William E. Lewis offers us an excerpt from Dorner’s manifesto.

“The department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days. It has gotten worse,” wrote Dorner. “I know I will be vilified by the LAPD and the media. Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name.”

Now obviously, shooting somebody’s family is not an acceptable redress to workplace unfairness. Randall Quan’s daughter was a (expletive-deleted) basketball coach. How taking out a local basketball coach will lead to glorious change and reform throughout the entire LAPD is perhaps beyond the scope of even Dorner’s 11,000-word Opus Ego.

Since I’m a fan of noir crime fiction, the part about honor and reclaiming his name struck a chord. When it comes to the concept of honor, Dorner apparently fell behind a few centuries’ worth of upgrades on his operating system. C. S. Thompson gives an apt description of how Dorner appears to perceive the concept of honor.

In 19th century America and Europe, a man who was insulted was obligated to challenge the offender to a duel of honor. The insult could be almost anything, from a failure to acknowledge the insulted party to an accusation of lying or cowardice. Insulting a woman was one of the most serious insults possible, as it implied that the men in her life were physically unable to defend her honor. None of this has anything to do with an internal sense of right and wrong. Rather, it is clear that “honor” in this context is a combination of reputation and status—to insult a man’s honor meant to insult his reputation as a man of integrity and physical prowess. Integrity itself is only part of the equation, as “honor” is mostly a question of public opinion. If your community respected you, you had “honor.” If you lost that respect somehow, you were dishonored, and to be dishonored was to be socially dead.

Christopher Dorner represents an older, more primitive code of honor that makes civilized interaction increasingly tenuous. Seeing several deranged individuals immediately pick up weapons and seek to exact their retribution without any concern for the welfare of bystanders has given me a greater appreciation for an old, much-maligned piece of Christian Scripture.

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

(Matthew 5:38-42)

In conclusion, rooting for Christopher Dorner to shoot more people is no better than congratulating Anders Breivik. Both men claim would claim to differ widely in ideology, but in the end they are both equally barbaric. In the end they both are destructive to the society and to the commonweal. Rooting for either individual is to cheer for the apocalypse. Instead, pray to God that nobody like either one of these people ever gets near anyone that you love or care about.

COMMENTS

  • kipling

    Dorner is the product of the left and a civilization that is crumbling. The left is fine with the killing of innocents – a necessary evil – as long as it brings about what they deem as the greater good. For more information, please see Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Planned Parenthood, the whole abortion industry, etc.
    As the old foundations crumble under the assault of the left, we will see more Dorners and Breivik. Dorner is not a knight errant but rather a petty thug.

  • Tbone

    Human nature changes little. There were those who rooted for Bonnie and Clyde. In fact, if you can appeal to people’s paranoia that the system is against them and create a demand for “social justice”, you can be the foulest, most evil piece of human scum and actually get elected President, I bet.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    >>>>As the old foundations crumble under the assault of the left, we will see more Dorners and Breivik.
    It seems we will learn it the hard way that traditional morality had a role and a purpose.

  • DaveWT4

    Why is Dorner so popular? Because his story (at least as he tells it) reads like a Hollywood action blockbuster: “Ex-cop is run off the force by corrupt officials and decides the only way to see Justice done is to kill them all.” These “young skulls full of mush” have been programmed for decades to distrust the police to the point of always assuming that all cops are dirty. It’s no wonder they see Dorner as a hero.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    And re-opening this investigation is terrible. It encourages anyone feeling butt-hurt by life to go out and shoot people to get “justice.” People will die because LAPD made that decision.

  • PowerToThePeople

    You would be wrong. The adoration is about what he is doing and what he has done, it would not matter to the scumbags if the LAPD was never mentioned.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    I’ve never been one to justify why people do detestable things. I’m no fan of The Democratic Party, but didn’t thank Jared Loughner for shooting a Democratic Party Member of Congress.

  • Sir Aaron

    Root for Dorner? What? It’s almost as if we are living in a society that enjoys playing Grand Theft Auto for 6 hours a day.

    The LAPD racist? Tell you what. Just give me a list of the companies that aren’t racist. That would be easier.

  • GremlinJones

    Good diary, 100% agree!

  • funwithknives

    Just when you stop and wonder how much fricken’ lower our Sacred Multi-Cultural, Morally-Relativist society can drill down,…. voila’, we see such as this.
    …who’s got the cure and where in hell is it ?

  • norris

    Dorner was passed over for promotion because he was a lousy cop. Racism had nothing to do with it. He did pretty well for himself for a person held back from advancement . Nice house and truck. did he find money just lying around or was some other group giving him money. That group is probably hiding him in Mexico.

  • cheesycon

    I don’t think that a facebook page really shows any evidence that there’s some widespread movement in support of this lunatic out there. Other people (not you, Jack) are even trying to link Dorner to leftism or even Obama (and today Rush said some utterly ridiculous things). Your example of Breivik is absolutely right. I am sure there were fan pages there too, but lets not forget that if you look hard enough you can find nutcases on any topic on the internet.

    what concerns me more in terms of policy is how do we identify people with psychologic problems amongst our most highly trained veterans and service members. I am sure that Dorner’s problems could have been avoided had someone been paying attention.

  • cheesycon

    oh, boy. this is exactly the wrong thing to do, to try and exploit an evil for our own purposes.

  • cheesycon

    well, that is certainly true.

  • cheesycon

    perhaps the LAPD has reconsidered firing Dorner because they are corrupt enough to see his activities as a kind of audition?

  • cheesycon

    video games have NOTHING to do with psychos running amuck, Video games are 1st Amendment and are never proven to be shown to have any link to violence, just like guns are not related to violence.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    If so, then the *last* thing you want to do is leave people with the impression that shooting a high ranking official’s daughter is the proper way to get your complaints a fair hearing. They’ll run out of offspring long before they run out of disgruntled employees. By reopening the case, they’ve just given Dorner exactly what he asked for.

  • Tbone

    Actually, the LAPD is an incredibly corrupt organization and there are many who view it as such.

  • Tbone

    Try Christianity.

  • CJB68

       My take on this is that it is symptomatic of a general decline in the moral standards of our society when you have people taking to sites like Facebook to encourage an enraged character like Chris Dorner.  I hope that this gets turned around soon.  The man needs to be tracked down and taken in, if not taken down.

       I just don’t expect it to happen with the LAPD as it is, and with the current administration of the Justice Department.  In J Edgar Hoover’s FBI, Dorner would’ve become “Public Enemy #1″ and have at least two teams of agents tracking him down.

       As for Facebook, my dad had an account there, although he rarely ever checked it out.  Recently, he heard where conservative posts would be deleted from the site, but even some of the most extreme leftist rants would be left up.  He chose to delete his account and stay out of there.

  • Viet71

    RMJ, you tell it like it is.

    Americans love anti-heroes. Dorner, by the way he went off, doesn’t fit the model. He’s defective. He needs to be…whatever.

    Dorner tried to make the LAPD out to be the bad guys. He failed. The movie “L.A. Confidential” scored that point. The handling of Rodney King, the Watts riots, and the RFK killing scored three more points.

    Dorner posted a manifesto in Hollywood-land. And then self-destructed. Very bad form. No movie for him. He’ll be a forgotten unhappy person who thought he wasn’t given his due.

  • PowerToThePeople

    Still has nothing to do with the adoration of so many for the guy. His support is coming from all over especially in the black community. Most of these people have no clue about the LAPD, have no personal experience with them, have no family or friends that have had dealings with them. Their only infatuated with this guy because he is a murderer who refuses to follow society rules. To them he is a hero. It would not have mattered if the LAPD was ever a part of the equation or if the LAPD was above reproach.

  • PowerToThePeople

    Too true yet so funny. But do not be rough on him, he is our house clown. He is the one kept around to make sure everyone else feels that much smarter.

  • kipling

    No one is “exploiting” evil for our own purposes. I am simply pointing out that to understand Dorner you have to understand the leftism that made him and guided his actions. In his manifesto, Dorner makes it quite clear that he is a man of the left and a devotee of pop culture. He openly rejects the Christian worldview and embraces the concept that evil is justified if it serves a greater purpose. Those are tenets of the left dating back to the French revolution and the Reign of Terror. Andrew Klaven has a good article on the subject at PJMedia. I heard some of Rush’s comments. I thought he was spot on with his analysis.

  • kipling

    If you don’t think elements of the left are turning this guy into some sort of folk hero, then you need to go over to Twitchy and take a look at some of the tweets to that effect. Even some of the leftist news coverage is tending toward “He might have a legitimate grievance.”

  • confab

    IMO, this is the legacy of guys like Herbert Marcuse from the “Frankfort School”

    A worthless apologist, he (and others) attempted to give the left an intellectual basis for articulating and pursuing their goals without shame. They are rendered immune from charges of hypocrisy, because their cause is so “just”

    And that’s the REALLY troubling part, isn’t it? That we KNOW for a certainty, that if this maniac were of the Conservative persuasion, that they’d rail against him until the sun burned out.

    BUT, since he’s a fellow traveler, and he shares their objectives, nothing else matters.. You cite this fact and they will just stare at you with a blank face.. Because they really don’t care.

    In their minds, there’s no double standard at work here.

    For this reason, his followers are every bit as dangerous as Mr. Dorner. They don’t all carry guns, but they ruin lives all the same.. Their weapons are School Boards, Jury Boxes, Union cards, Tenured professorships, etc.. and there are far more of them.

  • cheesycon

    you’re right (I was just being tongue in cheek, bad form. sory)

  • cheesycon

    thanks.

  • cheesycon

    well, sure, I am positive we can find plenty of examples of goofball and outright idiot behavior on the left. Its hardly a shallow pond. But is Dorner worship a mainstream leftist talking point? Aside from a facebook page and a few tweets, it doesn’t seem to be. Now if the talking heads on the radio and MSNBC start making excuses for Dorner then that’s more disturbing (but not surprising).

  • gunnyg2002

    Spot the hell on! Just a matter of time until we go south permanently. Maybe its for the best. We rebuild the USA along the lines of the Founders and the Constitution and THIS TIME, we make sure the liberals get the boot to France.

  • kipling

    He seems pretty systematic to me. He has chosen his targets and their families. He is not acting at random but has a plan. He is acting out of the same leftist philosophy that calls for the destrution of the innocent to advance a greater good.

  • kipling

    Several of the leftist talking heads have already started to make excuses for Dorner. The excuse is the “culture of corruption at the LAPD” and the “systematic racism of the LAPD.” Of course, the mention the killings as unfortunate but …. I saw a story earlier that many of the people at the Huffington Post favor the guy.

  • Bill S

    Links? (other than the typical bizarro comment threads…)

  • kipling

    Here are the links you requested.

    Rush’s comments and reference to the Twitchy site can be found here: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/02/11/chris_dorner_becomes_liberal_hero

    The article on the Huffington Post can be found at PJMedia: http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/02/09/huffpo-users-overwhelmingly-support-spree-killer/

    Contained in both links are references to other sources.

  • runner12

    Actually there have been many studies dating from the 1980′s to now linking violent images seen on movies, video games, etc. to violence and aggression. A cursory search of any of the medical or psychology journal databases will illustrate this. I know many avid gamers hate hearing these facts, but the science is there and it makes logical sense when you study how the human brain is wired. Does that mean we should ban them and trash the 1st Amendment? No. But to deny reality makes us look stupid.

  • davesinsanantonio

    Really??? You’re going to forcibly ship a hundred million people to France? How are you going to do that? How are going to pay for that? How are you going to get France to accept a hundred million of our nut jobs? Do you even have a clue?

    Really? Having the Christian Dorners of the world out killing innocents to make some kind of statement is how we re-build our country along constitutional lines? Really? That’s “for the best”? Really? Do you even have a clue?

  • davesinsanantonio

    Oh, that’s nice. So, will they find some excuse to let him back on the force and just forget about the three people he just killed? Is that now a resume enhancer for disgruntled employees? I didn’t like a couple of my assistant principals, so I should have killed their kids and they would have made me department chair? Do you have to take a stupid pill to be LA police chief? It would seem so. Isn’t re-opening Dorner’s case going to be seen as a confession that he is right and that killing people’s family members is now an acceptable way to file a grievance? Is everyone in LA this stupid, or just the PD?

  • bob570

    What do you expect, it’s California. This the State that believed that a leather glove wouldn’t shrink after being soaked in O.J’s ex wife’s Blood.

  • cheesycon

    if there are some studies you know of, then do share. I’ve never heard of a single one.

  • vietnamvet1971

    The dead brain Liberals have a Thug/Killer HERO now to worship and they think we are nuts. SICKO’S for sure!

  • major

    You are not looking at the big picturem!
    Then again, maybe you do want to see a race war come out of this?
    More killing?
    It’s a good thing this is the internet, and not a street corner.
    I have a pretty loud voice!
    Violence is crap that begets crap.

  • major

    This is new?

  • westcoastpatriette

    Hey, Repair Man’, did you see you got a mention at Human Events yesterday? http://www.humanevents.com/2013/02/11/the-chris-dorner-fan-club/ Good job.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/02/08/support-growing-for-former-l-a-officer-accused-of-killing-spree/2/
    Local media outlets have noticed as well.

  • joehatfield37

    His personal politics aside, let’s take a look at what Dorner’s one-man war against the LAPD has done. This is one guy…..just one…..who has had law enforcement in California in an uproar for a week and a half now. They are so scared, they are pissing themselves, such that they are shooting at anyone they think is Dorner and any vehicle they think is his. As for gun-grabbers like Di-Fi and thier gun control schemes…..what do these people think that tens of thousands of people rising up against them in their own one-person actions against the state of California would look like?? Just sayin’.

  • flatj

    Perhaps the ESOTUS (empty suit of the US) could invite both parties in for a beer summit.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    I guess you believe Eric Rudolph and Ted Kacynski proved the same point.

    >>>>…..what do these people think that tens of thousands of people rising up against them in their own one-person actions against the state of California would look like??

    Somalia.

  • Ari

    Then you should not have so emphatically shared something pulled from the air in ignorance. Apparently you have little talent for basic analysis of behavioral pattern imprinting. Do you also think gangster rap cop-killng, rape, murder themes have no effect? Wake up. “Garbage in- garbage out” is not just a cliche.

    Realty is another world from your own affected, rather than consdered, view. Cause and effect is not that hard to see. In your case, I would expect your reacting, as in at least 2 posts in this thread is at least partly a result of brainwashing from too much MSM TV, one becomes full of opinions with no basis, but being socially liberal and politically correct.

    You seem to be quick to repent when challenged. So maybe you will improve. Start by turning off all biased sources of news. Or maybe experiencing some of the violent gaming would be a dose of

  • Ari

    So is porn. Does it not multiply its kind?

  • cheesycon

    “pulling from the air in ignorance” pretty much is accurate description of people who talk about violent video gaming in the same breath as gangster rap.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    Well that makes everyone he shoots considerably less dead. Thanks a bunch!

  • cheesycon

    and now you are comparing video games to porn?!?! porn is an abomination, it violates god’s law and the moral code of marriage. It objectifies women.

    and yes before you go hunting for an extreme example, there are indeed objectionable video games out there. But those have no mass market appeal.

    I wish I coudl sit with you and share with you the incredible narrative of Mass Effect or the poetic justice of Assassin’s Creed. These are games where violence for it’s own sake is rejected and instead you have an honorable goal.

    I wish I could share this with you so you would see for yourself.

  • Ari

    You just confirmed your level of intelligence and myopic views.

  • cheesycon

    that sarcasm is unwarranted since I never claimed he was less evil.

  • cheesycon

    that’s irony for ya!

  • cheesycon

    have you ever played a video game, Ari?

  • Sir Aaron

    I apologize for the late reply. Let me be clear. I’m not saying that video games can cause a person to become a pschotic mass murderer. I’m saying two things. First, certain video games are a reflection of our society. Games such as Grand Theft Auto glorify evil and reward players for performing evil acts. The fact that a person can find himself enthralled with being the bad guy, is a reflection of that person’s conscience and moral values.

    Second, long term exposure to violence will certainly lead to desensitizing a person to it. I don’t need a study to tell me that spending several hours per day assuming the identity of a fictional character that is violent and evil will ultimately shape your personality. It may be slight or it may be significant, but it will shape your personality to some degree.

    Lastly, I’m not advocating the banning of video games of any kind. So your argument about the 1st Amendment is moot.

  • runner12

    Quite frankly, it would be several bibliography pages long and since I do enough looking at research articles for my job, I will simply point you to some sources. PubMed, CINAHL, and other online medical databases are a good place to start. Although access to full-text usually requires a subscription. Google Scholar is probably the easiest to use, but yields limited results.

  • runner12

    Video gamers who deny the effects of the images of violence on the human psyche remind me of the smokers who denied the effects of nicotine on the human body. Gaming is addictive and I think it is hard for many to admit that the habit they have of playing violent video games may not be a good one.

  • runner12

    It is both sad and amusing that you would try and make Assassin’s Creed into a paragon of morality. A game whose sole point is to hunt down people and kill them.

  • cheesycon

    can we continue this discussion at my diary? http://www.redstate.com/cheesycon/2013/02/12/calling-all-gamers-on-redstate/

  • cheesycon

    you don’t know much about the game. You are literally trying to save humanity from disaster, by assembling pieces of “Eden”. And in fact if you complete missions on a rampage you are penalized; the way to “win” is to carry out your mission with surgical precision of killing the bad guys.

  • cheesycon

    and, the bad guys are Redcoats :)

  • runner12

    The key word is “kill.” War is often a necessary evil, but to minimize its consequences or reduce killing to scoring “points” on a video game is rather disturbing. It desensitizes people to real violence. I am not just picking on video games either. Some of the so-called “crime dramas” are every bit as morbid and disturbing.

  • runner12

    Certainly. If you will actually read the scientific studies that are out there. It might change your views a little.

  • cheesycon

    sometimes, bad guys do need to be killed. A game that carefully sets up a scenario in which you have to make a careful decision about that is different from one in which you are rewarded for doing it indiscrimately.

  • runner12

    That is just it. It is a game that has zero real-life consequences, unlike real war or police work. In the real world, there are no “do-overs” in these situations. Real men and women put their lives on the line and all too often they die, leaving real family members behind. To make these acts of heroism into some sort of “game” is just disturbing.

  • cheesycon

    well, the First Amendment trumps that argument. “some people might be offended” isn’t ever a valid argument.

  • mogul264

    When you have a mad dog running in the streets, biting people, you have to put it down! Whatever set Dorner off, his reaction is WAY off the charts for anyone sane! Killing and attempted murder are actions of insanity or uncontrolled rage, the same things in my book! If he isn’t killed, but captured, he should go into solitary confinement, as he’s proven he is a menace to ANYONE he encounters, especially!

  • mogul264

    Easy, you start with the mouthy ones!

  • mogul264

    And Hollywood is ever eager to foster and exploit such cockeyed scenarios!

  • runner12

    If you read carefully, you would have read upthread I stated that banning such games is a non-starter because of our 1st Amendment. It is sacred in this country, as it should be. I never argued that “offense” is a valid argument, the research is though.