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I support Mitt Romney

A little background about myself:

I emigrated from USSR as a child, work as IT director in NY, reside in FL where I own a house with my wife. I’ve voted republican since 1996 (first able to vote), but paid attention to politics since 1992 or so. 1994 will always be synonymous with Newt to me. He was my hero. It was about that time when I, as a college freshman joined College Republicans. Back then I was socially conservative but slowly moved away from that on the issues of abortion and gay marriage, especially in the recent years. I’ve always been conservative on Economics and Defense and like I said, I’ve never voted Democrat. I also never considered myself a moderate republican. As I was strongly influenced by objectivism, I would consider myself quite right wing on the morality of capitalism and strong national defense in our, American, interests.

I supported Mitt Romney in 2008 as an alternative to McCain for all the many reasons other conservatives supported him back then. He was a successful governor of a leftist state who did not govern as a leftist. That told me that given hostile waters he can swim, and swim strongly against the current. He was a pro-business, competent executive who also implemented an individual mandate health care reform back when many people on the Right supported it. I did not see it as a problem then, and I don’t see it as a problem now.

When our country is slowly sliding towards a statist socialist government, led by a president of a party whose electoral success is dependent on making more people carried and supported by that government, I see no better candidate than Mitt Romney to defend capitalism. Defense of capitalism is crucial to our survival as a nation as most of our problem are caused by an ever growing and encroaching government, destroying our businesses ability to compete on the global stage. We don’t need aspiring populists to carry the torch for the so-called “destruction of the middle class” or try to make alliances with the worthless Occupiers. We need someone who embodies the morality of capitalism as the best economic system on Earth.

As someone who is both a businessman, and governed as a capitalist, Mitt Romney is infinitely more qualified as a Top Executive than any of the other candidates. We don’t need to start off with ideological solutions of tax cuts or new tax codes. What we need is a pragmatic managerial mind who can think of how we can start dismantling all the new layers of government that Obama created, and start diminishing the size of our government again. We don’t need sharp one liner sloganeering for the base, but we need non-ideological solutions that work.

Mitt Romney is not as ideological as Newt Gingrich, it’s true. But I don’t want him to be. Our problems are not simplistic and we are in a world full of hurt. We need someone who can think and devise solutions. Mitt Romney is the executive we need.

I supported Mitt in 2008 and I support him now, without any reservations. Sure I will vote for Newt if he is our nominee, and I love all the red meat coming out of his mouth as much as the next guy, but I prefer a better candidate and a solid conservative on the issue that matters – defense of Capitalism.

COMMENTS

  • HaroldHutchison

    While Obama has been a disappointment for many people, they are not quite sure they are ready to pull the lever and fire him.

    For me, the question is, “Who will more of these folks in the center be inclined to replace Obama with?”

    The answer is Romney.

    • Ender

      Also Romney intellectually understands and supports conservative ideals – something that McCain never really did and undermined many times during his time in the senate. Romney just doesn’t come off as a partisan, and what’s wrong with not being a pure partisan?

      • Flagstaff

        Romney needs people like you on his staff.

      • sandiegovoter

        I’ll vote for any Republican who embraces conservative values. Family values, reverence for the law, anti-drug, anti-tax, anti-Obamacare, for school choice, anti-abortion, pro-business, etc.

        I don’t particularly care what their views were in 1994 or even 2002. I care what their views are now. Romney has everything that I am looking for in a candidate including, importantly, the ability to send BHO back to Chicago.

    • staunch_woman

      As a Christian woman I cannot support Governor Romney. He has changed his positions too many times on too many issues that matter to me, and he cannot be trusted. While it’s true that Speaker Gingrich has his own sins to account for, he is, in the ways that matter to me most, a TRUE conservative. Governor Romney is a conservative when it’s convenient him.

      - Staunch Woman

      • dalehogue

        I support Mitt Romney because he is an honest man. He may not be your type of conservative, but he is my type of Republican. Newt is not a conservative, he belongs to the Gingrich Party movement and only pretends that he is a true blue Republican conservative. Most everyone in government who has worked with him or against him, dislikes him and doesn’t trust him. By the way, in my 60+ years as an active member of the Republican Party I’ve met only one true conservative and that was Barry Goldwater. If your memory is good you will remember he had his lunch handed to him by Lyndon Johnson in a Democratic Party landslide that may never again be duplicated unless the Republicans are foolish enough to nominate someone like Newt Gingrich or Ron Paul.

        More information about Hogue: Google: Hogue/Johnny Lee Clary

        • Finrod

          Where Mitt Romney denied ever seeing an ad that had “My name is Mitt Romney and I approved this message”?

          Romney is either a lying suckweasel or grossly incompetent.

      • sandiegovoter

        I don’t see why you need to throw out the old “As a Christian woman…” to introduce your argument against Mitt Romney.

        Is there something about your particular brand of Christianity that requires that you discriminate against Christians who don’t share all of your views? If so, do you also have the same prejudice against Catholics, Muslims, and/or Jews? (If so, you should probably go somewhere else to post your comments.)

        Secondly, you seem to be convinced that Gingrich is the true conservative while Romney is somehow a “conservative of convenience”. While I’ve heard Romney described this way, and I’ve considered the substance of the allegation, I think that the exact same description could be applied to Speaker Gingrich. He was a conservative when it was convenient. He was an environmentalist when it was convenient. He was a Baptist when it was convenient. Now he’s a Catholic because it’s convenient.

        I think that Romney is far more conservative than Gingrich or several of the other Republicans running this year. He is not and was not my first choice. However, I know that he can beat Obama and that is all I want for Christmas this year.

        • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

          about staunch_woman. She said her opposition to Romney is based on issues that matter to her. She said nothing about Romney’s religion.

          As a Christian woman myself, I can relate to this. I am pro life, and Romney’s early positions on abortion trouble me to say the least. My opposition to Romney has nothing to do with his religion, either. It has everything to do with his position on the issues and his record. I do not believe he will repeal Obamacare.

          Further, Newt is my first choice and Santorum is my second, both of whom are Catholic, a religion with which I also have major differences. So again, religion has nothing to do with who I support or who I oppose. Funny that Romney’s supporters seem to be the ones who continue to throw out the accusation that those who oppose him are anti-Mormon. Frankly, I’m tired of hearing it.

          • avagreen

            It seems that only Romney supporters use this mantra as a tool to beat down those that oppose Romney, just as Obama used race the same way.
            What I’ve said isn’t new, just wanted to repeat it.

            I think we are being deluged with Romney supporters. As part of his campaign plan, maybe??

          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

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  • david1313

    Romney has no chance to win election in november. He has more than proved that in the last two weeks. He is the subject of the Administration’s attack and they are already winning the argument again Mitt Romney. He is toast before he begins. He is mr. 1 % incarnate. Good luck with your choice, but I have seen this story play out before.

    • Ender

      OWS nonsense, that you would find any problem with someone being in the 1%. As for me, I think that it’s a positive that Romney has become so incredibly wealthy. He can sell it if he doesn’t apologize for his wealth in the general election.

      What you are saying is that class warfare election tactic works. What I believe is that in US, it only works if it is not forcefully answered because the American people believe in capitalism, and only the left really truly buys into the class warfare, 99% vs 1% rhetoric. The rest, especially the center, can be swayed.

      Romney is much more electable than Newt (with his incredible negatives from half the population).

      • papabear

        Romney and Newt have nearly identical negatives. The latest PPP Florida Poll has Romney at 61/30 vs Newt 57/34. The latest Rasmussen national poll shows Romney at +68 and Newt at +64 (no negatives on the non-subscriber page,

        At best, Romney has a marginal improvement in perception. However, as the public learns more about him, its perception of him has taken an incredible downward trajectory. We may have to rename him as Romney the perfectly lubricated (underground) lawn gnome.

        • Ender

          with the general public before the primaries vs Gingrich’s positives/negatives from that same time. You will find that Gingrich has stayed consistently negatively perceived by the general US population. Romney’s negatives are current and not deep seated. They will easily improve when he is the nominee in the general. I wouldn’t bet on the same for Gingrich. He is hated by many, including many in the center and on the Right, not to mention the female problem.

          • lineholder

            Romney has been so cosseted and protected by many on our own side that he never went through the vetting process that other candidates have gone through. That is starting to happen now, and people are learning things about Romney they don’t like and don’t want in the next President of the US.

            Most of his support as a candidate in this race has been based on two narratives, i.e. “electable” and “inevitable”. Both of these narratives that were used to cloud or to provide sugar-coated illusions of Romney’s true position on the issues. Those narratives are being stripped away, discarded and lost, perhaps forever. And for a lot of people, once those illusions were lost, their reasons to support Romney during the primary no longer exist.

            How much impact this might have on the remainder of the primary season remains to be seen, but there is no basis on which can be assumed that Romney’s negatives are not deep seated when he didn’t have solid support on the basis of his positions pertaining to the issues to begin with.

    • http://lukos.com Ed54

      why the White House is attacking Romney and not Gingrich?

      • texastaxpayer

        A better question to ask would be “why is the whitehouse providing Romney with free press and exposure?”.

        • http://lukos.com Ed54

          what if they are convincing the weak minded that they are not afraid of him by pretending to be afraid of him, knowing we will think the opposite of whatever they say is true?

          • Ann_W

            My kids love that game. Maybe we could all sit around and decide who to vote for by divining the true secret evil plans of the Democrats.

          • http://lukos.com Ed54

            is that it has infinite permutations. “But what if you know that I know that you know that I know that you know … “

    • sandiegovoter

      If you want the candidate who polls best against Obama, then Romney is it.

      I don’t know what you mean by “mr. 1 % incarnate”. Can you explain that?

      Obama might be able to pull this one out in a squeaker. However, most, if not all, analysts believe that Romney is the best candidate, if not the only candidate, who can beat him.

      • Finrod

        .. then go vote for Romney.

        If you’d rather not vote for someone who’s changed his mind about everything in life with the sole exception of his wife, then you should look for someone other than Mitt Romney.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    and on that Romney loses. Sure he was dealing with a Democratic legislature, but the point is he didn’t even try to buck them, but caved and appointed liberal judges.

    acat, got that picture re the judges handy?

    • acat

      Mew

      • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

        . . .

        • sandiegovoter

          If you want the full truth, you have to go to a state like Massachusetts, get elected governor, and then see how you can get judicial appointments past a liberal legislature that will sandbag you on judicial appointments unless you give them something far worse (say, higher taxes).

          Acat has been very disingenuous on this issue.

      • http://lukos.com Ed54

        the entire population of Republican potential judges in the state of Massachusetts. Show us the numbers for years before and after Romney was in office.

        • acat

          for not forcing the committee to go out and *find* better judges?

          It’s not as though the strategy of “not confirming anyone until we get our way” is a new one .. the Dems on the Judiciary committee use it every time they get a majority.

          Mew

          • http://lukos.com Ed54

            that you are providing an incomplete picture of the facts. People do that all the time to bolster their case.

          • acat

            Your hyperbolic statement that “maybe there are only 9″ is silly.

            My statement that Romney should have emulated past Dem-controlled Senate Judiciary committees and gone on strike is, in my opinion, less so.

            I am not convinced that Romney did all he could do. I am also not convinced that Romney is going to do better if he’s ever faced with a Dem-controlled Senate Judiciary.

            Mew

          • kowalski

            Yes and out of those 6 million people, at least among the registered voters, it’s 9:1 (D) vs. (R), and the MA Legislature has always been and remains today the most lobstersided single party state legislature in the country.

            We’re not talking about a 60/40 fight or a 70/30. Even at this moment we’re talking an 80/20 fight for the Sacred Cod.

            And in the State Senate it’s 9:1.

            What has happened between the 186th and 187th Legislature is that the Red has gotten bigger.

            You might not be convinced that Romney “did all he could do” but from where I sit, he did more than anyone though he could.

            What a lot of people have done, unfortunately, is turn that record of success into a liability, as though the Governor was all-powerful to overcome 8:2 and 9:1 supermajorities. Give me a break, guys.

            I don’t think anyone in this country has ever had a more oppositional legislature than Romney did. I could be wrong, but I’m not wrong by much there.

          • kowalski

            It does kind of call into question his sanity for even trying to undertake a task like that… ;)

          • kowalski

            The fact that so many liberals are coming out so hard against Romney is because they realize that facing those supermajorities in Massachusetts, Romney was still an effective Republican governor.

            I think they’re petrified of him. They’re doing what they’re doing out of envy and fear.

          • kowalski

            The people who seem to be most petrified of Gingrich are the Republicans and Conservatives who knew him best…

            Just ‘sayin.

          • sandiegovoter

            Your views would have been considered controversial here a few months ago when “Stop Romney” was in full throttle.

            I’ve always believed what Reagan said, “If your enemies are organizing to stop you, you must be doing something right.”

            The liberals, including those who are currently occupying the White House, have been against Romney at least since Rick Perry’s implosion. They don’t have many negative things to say about Santorum or Gingrich (although they hate them both for the same reasons that they hate Romney). They are trying to pick off the strongest Republican candidate. Which is Romney. Which is why I support him. Not because he was my first choice.

          • http://lukos.com Ed54

            about 6 milllion people having any bearing on 9 GOP judges, an argument that Kowaleski did a very good job of demolishing.

          • sandiegovoter

            Acat’s usefulness here is questionable. He/she is a monotonous one-note player. Anything to stop Mitt Romney.

            And he/she is the best at taking information out of context and trying to downplay any poll that shows that Romney is the strongest candidate against Obama.

    • Ender

      because most of those judges were on district level – dealing with criminal cases, not the level for interpreting the constitution. Political ideology in those cases does not matter nearly as much as being a good judge.

      • acat

        at some point, those same district judges will be seeking promotion.

        At one point, Sotomayor was a lowly Bush appointee.

        Saying “this doesn’t matter today” fails to recognize that it will matter tomorrow.

        I prefer, wherever possible, to destroy the seeds of my destruction, not plant them.

        Mew

        • sandiegovoter

          We need to do everything we can to stop bad judges. However, Romney’s performance as governor of Massachusetts, where the liberals are in control, has very little, if any, bearing on what his performance as president will be.

          He knows that he can only get re-elected if he slams the brakes on liberal nominees and nominates only conservatives.

          Bush never could figure this out (either Bush). Romney must figure this out or he won’t get re-elected.

      • sulmak

        One who disrespects the constitution, is also likely to disrespect statute law.

        The most important criterion for a judge, at any level, is a respect for the rule of law, and a constitution is simply a higher level of law that supersedes statute law.

    • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

      they are a disruptive influence at best. Romney’s Republican predecessors in the Governor’s office didn’t do any better picking judges.

  • elayman

    so Mitt would almost certainly be a fairly weak executive kept in line with a robust Republican majority Congress. And his ego doesn’t seem so enormous, by presidential standards, that he would compromise these conservative principles rather than admit a mistake. Gingrich has it on the merits style and performance wise but seems to be so ill-suited to the task of governing I can’t even feel good about telling people that he would be a competent President who would make this a better country.

    • Ender

      record of governing to imagine how he would be suited to the task. He does have a track record of impulsive behavior and jumping around from one big idea to the next, including liberal ideas, without much deep thought (as evidenced from retractions in fairly short time). So I am not sure Gingrich even has any good performance to speak of.

    • acat

      There are at least two potential threats and, while neither is likely to get to Perot numbers, they could be enough to tip the balance….

      Romney will have to watch his right flank… but he doesn’t seem to be paying it much mind at the moment.

      Mew

      • pdawk

        First off, Gary Johnson is not a threat. He doesn’t have the money to be a threat unlike Paul.

        Second, there is no way that Paul runs for the presidency and essentially crush Rand’s hopes at the Republican nomination in the future. Ron Paul is no dummy and he realizes that Rand has a good chance to take most of his ideals to the next level and really rope in tea party and base republicans.

        • acat

          Yes, I refer to Johnson and Paul as the most likely two.

          Johnson is no more under-funded than Nader, and certainly will get more favorable press .. the better to club Romney with. The Libertarian party, for all its’ faults, does have enough grass roots goofballs to get on the general election ballot in most States.

          Ron Paul has not previously exhibited the kind of self-sacrificial attitude that would be required to care what Rand’s future holds. You may be right that Ron wouldn’t screw up Rand’s chances ..

          The real threat from Ron Paul, though, is the one Erick mentioned in his last State of the Horse Race column – there are a number of Paulbots who have gotten themselves named as Romney delegates. The challenge there may happen before the general election, eh?

          Mew

          • pdawk

            and Romney wins Florida by 10 plus, there aren’t going to be enough fake delegates to make a difference.

            The most votes Ralph Nader ever got amounted to 2.74% of the voting populace. While that is certainly enough to make a difference in an election like2000, it is (a) unlikely he hits that threshold, and (b) likely not to make a difference anyways.

            If Ron Paul runs that is a different story, and I think it would mean re-election for Obama.

          • acat

            Ron Paul has the name recognition, but Gary Johnson has a *significantly* better narrative and record, including being a Republican governor in a Blue state.

            Don’t underestimate him. More importantly, hope Romney doesn’t underestimate him…. The model isn’t Nader, the model is Perot with an organization.

            Mew

          • sandiegovoter

            And Ron Paul probably will not run as a third party candidate.

            If conservatives back Romney with the same energy that they backed Bush (and they should), Romney will have enough support from independent voters to beat Obama, whether or not there are right-wing spoilers out there trying to take away votes from disgruntled conservatives.

            We beat Gore in 2000 because Gore had more disgruntled liberals than Bush had disgruntled conservatives.

          • mikeymike143

            paulbots tend to be code pink loving anti war activists, anti semites, young voters that completely lack any real life common sense, and left wing hippie dirtbags. all reliable democrat voters.

          • mikeymike143

            The website for ?Campaign for Liberty?, an organization started by ?Republican? anti-Israel Presidential candidate Ron Paul, has, since late 2008, been featuring a page offering the opportunity to purchase the notorious forged anti-Semitic book The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

            As word spreads of this, inevitably Paul?s campaign will take down the page and claim the situation was a mere innocent mistake with which Paul (who of course hopes to lend his managerial skills to the entire nation) had nothing to do, a la the controversy over his newsletters in the 1990s. This of course despite the fact that the page with the link has now been up for over three years.

            to read entire story: http://www.examiner.com/ny-in-new-york/ron-paul-website-has-been-offering-protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion-for-3-yrs

  • texastaxpayer

    Give it up, at this point Romney should drop out.
    After 6 plus years and tens of millions spent what has Romney accomplished?
    Lost Iowa twice with fewer supporters this round than last.
    Lost South Carolina twice with his major competitor taking over 40% in a four way race.
    In the process of losing Florida for a second time. His 20 plus point lead in the polls evaporated in less than a week.
    Every poll shows 70% or more of the conservative base just isn’t that into him. It’s time for Willard to wake up and do the right thing. He claims he loves this country and is running to save it. He can contribute to helping this country. He can take down the attack ads and stop the smear campaign. He can drop out and endorse our nominee and help defeat Obama. Of course these actions would be selfless and not about personal ambition. So Romney got the character Rick Perry has already displayed? I doubt it but we will see.

    • acat

      that he take up a less expensive hobby.

      Maybe building full-scale models of famous sailing ships….

      Mew

      • texastaxpayer

        ROTFLMAO….

      • sandiegovoter

        Don’t you have some other hobby you could attend to?

        • Vegas_Rick

          she’s waaaaay out of your league.

          • avagreen

            ^ ^

            [--]

          • Vegas_Rick

            Oh my! Apologies.

        • acat

          C’mere, n00b, I need a new scratching post.

          Mew

      • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

        And just so you know, I appreciate your comments here, so please just ignore the comment below.

        • sandiegovoter

          nt

          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

            nt
            . .

          • acat

            (Cheshire grin)

  • kowalski

    I’m with Ann Coulter and Elliott Abrams on this one.

    ‘Course around these parts right now, saying so as you’ve done takes a lot of courage. I’m glad to hear from you.

    • Ender

      haven’t been participating in the political blogs that much lately. Slowly coming back with the elections approaching. The site has been skewing for Newt ever since it’s become Newt vs Mitt, and I thought it was a bit of a shame, considering 25%-35% of Republicans, including I am sure plenty of conservatives, support Mitt Romney.

      I just gave it a tiny voice :) Yes, conservatives can and do support Mitt. Good to be back here, thanks.

      • Remington_Steele

        Thank you Ender for your courageous voice. It’s been interesting hearing all the names and criticisms of those that support Romney lately. I am a fiscal conservative, support strong defense and I am a social conservative and yes I support Romney along with other conservatives.

        • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

          with Mitt

          • Remington_Steele

            Romney’s new debate coach needs a raise. Romney came out and deflated Gingrich’s attacks and delivered tonight on the return arguments. Palin was right that this process is steel on steel which just leads to sharper candidates. Tonight, Mitt was much sharper than he has been to date.

          • sandiegovoter

            Gingrich couldn’t stop talking about himself long enough to attack Romney.

            And that was Gingrich’s last chance to get the kind of support that put him over the top in South Carolina.

            Now he’s got to try to match Romney on the airwaves which he can’t do.

            Partly because he decided to take a vacation to the Greek Isles last year when he should have been campaigning for the presidency.

        • Ender

          There are plenty of us. Some people keep perpetuating the myth that we only support Romney because we think he can beat Obama. I support him on the merits, and don’t really mind some of his flip flopping. It’s especially rich coming from supporters of some other candidates, who of course never flip flopped in their lives.

        • sandiegovoter

          There were people banned from this site for supporting Romney.

          2 months ago, he would have been dog-piled on for writing a diary titled “I Support Mitt Romney”.

          It looks like this site is finally ready to get on board with the presumptive Republican nominee. It took awhile, but we’re finally here.

    • Finrod

      The one that got caught lying through his teeth about Gingrich?

      http://spectator.org/blog/2012/01/27/elliott-abrams-caught-misleadi

      Yeah, because I want lying sacks of **** defending my candidate.

      • The_Rebel

        http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/289558/jeffrey-lords-distortion-rich-lowry

        • Finrod

          I refuse to read any of the crap they’ve been spewing. William F. Buckley would be spinning in his grave if he knew what his magazine was publishing nowadays.

  • andystone

    Why stop at Mitt, you should go all the way to Ron Paul instead.

    • Ender

      of that conservative stool, but there are tons of us in GOP, and even among conservatives. Abortion and Gay Marriage are my most liberal positions, and I am not even all that liberal on them. I support some of the restrictions on late term Abortions, and I am not into all the other Gay Rights stuff.

      So explain it to me, why I should be for Ron Paul? Isn’t Paul conservative on the 2 issues I am moderate on, and completely nuts on all the issues I am conservative on?

  • quill67

    This is why Reagan’s son supports Gingrich. Ron Reagan also opposes Romney for RomneyCare.

    Romney has not given any indication of a transformation of his views. If Romney wins election, we will need a new party. One that actually believes in conservative principles.

    • Remington_Steele

      voted for Carter and Mondale too. Michael on the other hand is the conservative of the sons and backs Gingrich. You should probably note that Romney is criticized for showing too many indications of transformations of his views, but that has been raised here ad nauseam. Just sayin.

      • quill67

        Romney claims he only voted for Republicans when there was a choice so…

        We will see if this is true.

        • Finrod

          He stood right there in the Thursday debate and claimed he never had seen an ad that had “My name is Mitt Romney and I approved this message”. So Romney is either grossly incompetent or a lying suckweasel.

    • sandiegovoter

      Where he enthusiastically endorsed John Kerry for president.

      Ron Reagan loves the idea of Obamacare.

      I think that you have your facts mixed up.

  • deVere

    What his comopany did to small corporations, his campaign is now trying to do to Newt Gingrich:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/romney-paints-gingrich-as-mentally-unstable/2012/01/26/gIQAM2b0SQ_blog.html

    The more I see of Miitt’s campaign, the less inclined I am to vote for him..

    • Ender

      that what some corporations legally do to other corporations is wrong? This kind of talk usually leads to even more government clampdown on the free enterprise – in order to protect the little guys of course. I am sorry but your arguments are usually uttered by the Democrats for obvious reasons.

      • deVere

        If as Bain did you have the subsidiary borrow huge sums to pay huge management fees and dividends to the parent company which render the subsidiary insolvent and lead to millions$ in unemployment insurance and government pension guarantee payments, the law should obviously be changed to allow subsequent recovery against the parent company. And when you find someone who is the poster boy for this sort of corporate abuse, you don’t make him your nominee for President unless you really want to lose.

        Romney has been called “Obama lite”, and it seems that Romney supporters are also similar to Obama supporters. Lacking facts to defend their man, they always just resort to name-calling. And sadly it often seems to work. For over three years we have heard that anyone who questions Obama’s legal qualification to hold office is a “crazy birther”. Now we hear the nonsense that anyone who criticizes Romney’s business activities is either “anti-capitalism” or “a Democrat”. And Gingrich, who had the chutzpah to defeat Romney in South Carolina, is now called “mentally unstable”, and not by Romney surrogates, but by the Romney campaign!. We are headed for Republican defeat this November, and in my judgment at this point only the nomination of a compromise candidate can avert it.

        • snowshooze

          I think someone around here boiled it down to that…
          It is a winning business plan.

          • Ender

            boiled most business activity to that quite a long time ago. Go 99%! right?

        • Ender

          propaganda machine’s talking points. Give us all some examples of those deals instead of spouting the crap out of Newt’s bogus “documentary”.

          As if you Gingrich supporters are all paragons of honesty and no name-calling, we see the consistent piles of personal trash constantly heaped on Romney and his supporters – and this is on a Republican site.

          Defend your propaganda you moral capitalist of a Gingrich supporter.

          • deVere

            Second, thanks for immediately confirming my allegation that Romney supporters unfortunately have no more convincing technique at their disposal than name-calling.

            I’m not aware of any “DNC talking points”. but golly if they didn’t bring it up during the fall campaign with Romney as the nominee they’d be unfathomably stupid.

            I’ll repeat what I said in my previous post: “We are headed for Republican defeat this November, and in my judgment at this point only the nomination of a compromise candidate can avert it.”

          • Ender

            of your assertions about Bain activity and also would be nice to know of Romney’s involvement. What name did I call you that you found unpleasant?

          • sandiegovoter

            A month ago, his comments would have been welcome here.

            Now he’s just screeching because his worst nightmare is about to come true, Romney’s going to be the nominee.

            Funny how that is Obama’s nightmare as well.

          • Vegas_Rick

            NT

    • http://lukos.com Ed54

      we have a ruthless candidate in the general election against Obama.

      • sandiegovoter

        I want to see tears streaming down both sides of Obama’s face when he concedes the election to Romney in November.

  • BigRedConservative

    Then, yeah, I’ll support Romney. But (and I speak, I believe, for many) I will do so without any ardour or enthusiasm, and I will merely tolerate him and wait for 2016. And I only support him by virtue of the fact that he has a basic ethical code which is lacking in Newt Gingivitis

    • deVere

      I don’t agree with your (very common and popular) assumption that an ethical code in private life implies similar good conduct in public life.

      • http://lukos.com Ed54

        implies similar bad conduct in public life. Some of us think it does. See Bill Clinton for exhibit A. See Newt for exhibit B.

      • BigRedConservative

        Gingrich is a sterling conservative. But it feels distastefully hypocritical for the party of the family to put a man like Gingrich as figurehead. Especially considering the (completely justified) ferocity with which we pursued Clinton over such ethical matters.

  • joeydavis

    Contrary to the popular opinion that has been passed to voting public forever by the beltway elitists elections are not won in the middle. Elections are won on enthusiasm. Those in the middle are in the middle because they don’t really have an opinion one way or the other and they will be swayed by whichever side is most entusiastic. If you’ll look at voter turnout, you’ll see independent voters always skew to the side with the highest turnout.

    If I’m a dedicated motivated partisan, I’m going to drag my less dedicated less partisan (read independent) friends to the polls with me. They are going to vote how I vote because I asked them and they really don’t care one way or the other.

    If I’m less dedicated and merely feel obligated by civic duty I’m not dragging anyone anywhere. My independent friends simply won’t go, because no one asked OR they’ll go with another friend and vote opposite.

    So appealing to the middle is appealing to nothingness. That’s exactly where Romney is at. He has no appeal within the party except to those who mistakenly believe he can score with independent voters. Obama supporters will be more enthusiastic that Romney voters and he will win all the battlegrounds.

    The candidate is going to have to have a plan that resonates LOUDLY with a core constituency to be successful. The only choice to win is Santorum. He has an economic plan devoted to manufacturing that will score points with blue collar working class voters that are “mad as hell” with the state of the country.

    And who are they mad at? Well Washington elitists like Obama, Washington power brokers like Gingrich and Wall St CEO types like Romney.

    • http://lukos.com Ed54

      which candidate resonates most with the party membership. We have a method to measure it: the primary system.

      If Santorum appeals so well to the core consituency of the GOP, then why are only 10% of us voting for him ?

  • Finrod

    Go read all the Romney fluff pieces, what they will not talk about is Romney’s record of supporting conservative causes, because it doesn’t exist.

    I’ll take an inconsistent conservative like Gingrich over a consistent moderate like Romney, thank you very much.

  • deVere

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/01/27/soros_not_much_difference_between_romney_and_obama

    • Ender

      for the left to shape our views of our candidates.

      • acat

        what the enemy is saying.

        Assuming your handle references Orson Scott Card, you should be quite aware of this….

        Mew

        • http://lukos.com Ed54

          come next fall.

        • lineholder

          NPR put out an article today. Think Progress has a new ad out. If you want to take a look at them, I just posted them in a diary.

          It’s going to undermine everything Conservatives have been fighting for.

  • conservativecurmudgeon

    And, further, it will mean the end of Reagan’s 11th Commandment. Only the extremely well-heeled and well-connected need apply in the future for the GOP Nomination– Because, if any moderately-monied conservative who is reviled by the establishment peeks above the trench-line, he (or she) will be mowed down by the twin assaults of endless money, and endless, untruthful mendacity and lies. Romney and Paul have sowed poisonous seeds that will reap a foul, foul harvest if Romney becomes the nominee.

    During the first 50 or so years of his life on this mortal coil, Mitt Romney (following in the footsteps of his unctuous father) made it clear he had no use for conservatives, or conservatism. He certainly governed as a mush-filled moderate. In fact, the entire REASON for “Romneycare” is that he bough the leftist narrative that Government was responsible for picking up the tab for people’s doctoring. A true conservative would have broomed the crap off his desk the minute it landed there– not signed it into law, much less lend his imprimatur to it. It, and Romney, is a gold-plated, 24-carat, diamond-encrusted, wall-to-wall sham in this regard.

    Romney has surrounded himself with the anti-Reagan’s from the late 1980′s and 1990′s: All are Bush family loyalists, and they’ve had a hate on for Reagan that wasn’t even stanched by GHW Bush’s appointment as Vice President. It is a blood rivalry that goes back to the Ford Fight of 1976, if not before. They are all “Good Government” Republican– not a single, thoroughbred conservative among them. And, thus, will Reaganism be buried.

    I am thoroughly, completely disgusted with “Mitt” Romney. He represents EVERYTHING that is warped and misshapen about politics: He is a social-climbing technocrat, with unlimited amounts of time, money, connections and no particular reason to run for the Presidency, except that his father did.

    I shake my head…

  • Viet71

    is that he can’t be bought or sold, because he’s too wealthy.

  • elayman

    I find it impossible to believe that he won’t self-immolate at some point like his father and fiscal conservatism will rise on the ashes of the two-party tryanny,
    Have faith voters will see through all the bs that is happening now and then there will be a strong visceral reaction against Romney. I think it’s already starting to happen. The next cycles of political thought can take us no where but up, to a Republican Party of real ideas.

    • cactusjack

      respect where respect is due – he “self immolated” in 1968, as you put it, because he told the truth about LBJs Pentagon and its micro-mismanagement of the Vietnam War. A politican who told the truth, what a novel idea then or now. Our history and our party might have been a lot better off the last 40 years if George Romney had in fact made it to the WH instead of Nixon.

  • david1313

    Go ahead and laugh out loud. He would lose the south. Millions like me, will not vote for him. He is dishonest and I believe more dangerous to our causes than Mr. Obama. Book it, Romney nomination means 4 more years of Obama. Period.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    I believe we need a governor. Mitt doesn’t excite me, but he is the only gov left standing.

    If Mitch Daniels wants to get back in, I’ll gladly switch to him, but that doesn’t seem to be happening so Romney it is.

    The biggest mistake of the Tea Party has been to nominate unqualified people for higher office (Senate and Governor) at times. We appear poised to try to do that with Mitt.

    Blame it on whoever … Huntsman for his choices in his campaign, Daniels / Jindal for sitting it out, Perry for thinking that running for President was like running for Governor.

    I like what Mitt did in business.

    I like what Mitt did in turning around the Utah Olympics.

    I hate what he did with Mitt-care and I think it weakens him as a candidate.

    • jakeofalltrades

      I mean, what do Americans prefer? Trillions to go to the moon, or trillions to “stimulate the economy” as Obama will deceptively put it?

      The 40% of Redstate that supported Perry was screaming at you people that he was the only small-government conservative in the race, and you people killed him in favor of colonizing a barren rock whose only natural resource is trace amounts of radioactive noble gas.

      God save us.

      • texastaxpayer

        :(

      • izoneguy

        Of Mark Levin saying that Mitt Romney is not a conservative – That would make a great ringtone.

        • izoneguy

          Listen to the whole clip – Levin had a ringside seat during
          the Reagan administration – at 5:29 Levin says -
          “If we are to reverse course, we have to defeat the establishment.”

          at 6:08 Levin says -
          “Romney will never repeal ObamaCare.”

          This is why I cannot support Romney and why he will lose to Obama.

          Mark Levin bucks conservative media trend, comes to Gingrich?s defense

          • gracie

            Always read your opinions.
            Agree with you; cannot stand Romney…but where to go from here??

          • izoneguy

            The choices are not very pleasant. But I have to
            go with Newt because he is not Romney.
            Romney is not and has never been a conservative.

          • gracie

            I guess I meant where to go from here.
            The possibilites are making me ill.

      • romansdaughter

        only happen in his 2nd term in office. LOL If Mitt is the closest then that is not saying much at all cause there is no evidence in his record that there is anything resembling small government. I am beginning to get to the point where I am wondering if there is any difference between Mitt and Obummer….the guy is a big liar and his smear campaign now is over the top. Good night, he is going to alienate everyone and Obama is going to get another 4 years. I sure wish these brilliant candidates that we were left with would put their country before their wants and egos.

      • Vegas_Rick

        Anyone who can seriously put “small government conservative” and Mitt Romney in the same sentence, must be high.

        • Finrod

          .

      • sandiegovoter

        Newt is just trying to drag this primary out so that he gets more book sales and lecture appointments.

        Newt will promise literally anything for votes at this point. He is absolutely unaccountable because his chances of being elected president are less than 1 in 20. So he will never have to worry about fulfilling his promises. I’ve tuned him out.

    • David123

      You run two guys with “executive experience” and the one guy’s greatest “accomplishment” is implementing Oromneycare in one state. The other guy’s greatest “accomplishment” is implementing Oromneycare in the other 56 states.

      Talk about having an ECHO instead of a choice! Yuk.

      • Finrod

        ..

    • avagreen

      See how Romney “saved” the Olympics for Salt Lake City. There was plenty graft included which has now been more or less exempted from the present media coverage, including Fox.
      http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/19/us/politics/19romney.html?pagewanted=all

      And, here:
      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1024516/index.htm
      The heavy dependence on federal funds began with the Atlanta Games, for which Congress kicked in $610 million, eight times the $75 million allocated for the L.A. Olympics. Salt Lake City has taken the federal funding to a new level of excess. What, exactly, are your tax dollars buying? Here’s a sampling.

      ?Parking lots are costing you $30 million. Some $12 million of that is paying for two 80-acre fields to be graded and paved for use as two temporary lots, then returned to meadows after the flame is extinguished.

      ?Housing for the media and new sewers are each costing you $2 million.

      ?Repaved highways, new roads and bridges, enlarged interchanges and an electronic highway-information system are costing you $500 million.

      ?Buses, many brought in from other states, to carry spectators to venues are costing you $25 million.

      ?Fencing and other security measures at the Veterans Administration Medical Center in northeast Salt Lake City?to protect patients and staff from the Olympic hordes?are costing you $3 million.

      ?A light-rail transit system that will ferry Olympic visitors around Salt Lake City is costing you $326 million.

      ?Improvements at Salt Lake City-area airports are costing you $16 million.

      ?Infectious-disease monitoring, food inspection and mobile medical response teams?aside from those specifically related to bioterrorism threats?are costing you $11 million.

      ?Testing programs to try to assure a drug-free Olympics are costing you $3 million…. <<<<<<THESE ARE JUST A SAMPLING OF HOW TAXPAYER'S MONEY WAS SPENT………SO ROMNEY COULD THEN BRAG ABOUT HOW he HAS SAVED THE OLYMPICS. EVEN HAD BUTTONS CREATED TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE DIDN'T FORGET (I PERSONALLY REMEMBER THAT DISGRACEFUL PART)

      Yep! Romney is a small-government man. Pshaw!

      • avagreen

        the Olympics.

        “It was clear then to many in Utah that Mr. Romney was probably aiming for bigger things. ?It was obvious that he had an agenda larger than just the Olympics,? Mr. Garff said…” (excerpt from NYTimes article.)

  • elayman

    I agree it is a sad commentary on the political state of affairs that most conservative Republicans wrote off Huntsman at the start of the campaign without doing any due diligence of his record and supported candidates as grossly incompetent and morally repulsive as the zero sum scenario are now left to contemplate. People glued on to Mitt who might have given Huntsman a longer look if the other half of the electorate didn?t seem hellbent on pushing neurotics and halfwits.

    But whatever his mistakes, and I agree Jon made some of the same strategic errors as Mitt ’08, it is absolutely in our power to resist, by ignoring the polls, the horserace or strategy and voting for the best candidate, to keep them in the race, giving others who follow a chance to vote for the best instead of the worst.

    Blame it on whoever ? Huntsman for his choices in his campaign, Daniels / Jindal for sitting it out, Perry for thinking that running for President was like running for Governor.

    • BillC

      We might have given him a chance if he wasn’t so busy insulting conservatives.

      • elayman

        Why would he insult conservatives ? He had by far the most formidable record for free market, limited government solutions of the field, with the foreign policy and business credentials to match. Of course anyone that allows their hurt feelings get in the way of the fate of the nation I can see how non-pandering straight talk might be too much to take. The problem is not with the candidate but with the a Tea Party era in which the priorities of Republican voters can be hard to assess and has directly led to the total farce of an election unfolding before our eyes in Florida.

    • sandiegovoter

      Huntsman’s campaign was stunted by the fact that there were two Mormons in the race and one of them (Romney) had raised a lot more money than Huntsman.

      But Huntsman was the more conservative of the two. Which is why I liked him better.

      He didn’t insult conservatives. He just didn’t know how to make his candidacy stand out from the others in the crowded pack.

      • elayman

        But Huntsman only needs to stay alive, stay relevant and lay the foundation for an I-told-you-so argument when we begin to realize how seriously we have lost our collective equilibrium after this year’s election. I think he will run again even if Romney wins but the heavyweights will be out in force 2016 so he will have to take a page from Mitt and pull out all the stops between now and then.

  • joayn

    think of themselves as conservative when, according to his background story, he self-defines as a moderate:

    “Back then I was socially conservative but slowly moved away from that on the issues of abortion and gay marriage, especially in the recent years.”

    Actually, I guess he’s a fiscal conservative, social moderate. Which equals morality and freedom be damned, just leave me alone to make money!!

    • sandiegovoter

      Rush has always been a fiscal conservative. And he started out as a social conservative. But he tends to vacillate on social conservatism.

      After the 1998 elections, Rush went on a tirade against “one-issue voters” (his code word at the time for social conservatives) and suggested that Republicans needed to get behind all kinds of Republicans, including the pro-choice ones.

      I agree with Ender. The time has come to consolidate behind the presumptive nominee. And that presumptive nominee is Mitt Romney.

      • Finrod

        Kind of blows a hole in the water line of your little analogy.

      • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

        conservative in the primary and GOP in the general. Unless and until Romney is the GOP nominee, there is no reason for conservatives to consolidate behind him.

        Limbaugh told his estimated 15 million listeners that Republicans can?t unite behind Romney because of his political views. He said:

        He?s a fine guy. He?s very nice gentleman. He is a gentleman. But he?s not a conservative ? and if you disagree, I?m open. The telephone lines are yours. Call and tell me what you think it is that makes him a principled conservative, what exactly is it. Is there something that he has said that shows conservative, principled leadership?

        ?I do not endorse candidates until I?m ready to endorse candidates. If I felt comfortable endorsing someone now, I would,? he said on the show Thursday. ?I?ve not decided who I support among the conservatives.?

        From article here.

        You seem to have a habit of making these hit and run comments with nothing to back them up.

    • Ender

      my morality is different from yours but that doesn’t mean I don’t have it. Not at all. My morals are just as important to me as yours are to you.

      • WillWong

        one morality…..and it is HIS Morality and it applies to every single living being who ever lived, lives, and shall live!

      • streiff

        it either is or it isn’t. Sort of like truth in that regards.

  • BillC

    This election will most likely be about Obama which is why arguing about electability is pointless. If the incumbent has the headwind of an awful economy there is not much he can do to win other than demonize his opponent. Still, Mitt or Newt don’t have enough baggage to sway the average voter away from the fact that unemployment is high and growth is low. Mitt can win back conservatives by choosing a strong conservative VP.

    What I worry about is what happens when Mitt is elected because if he doesn’t make a strong effort to repeal Obamacare then he will tear the Republican party apart. In this case he will get primaried in 2016 and might even draw a third party challenge.

    • sandiegovoter

      You’re right that the election will be about Obama.

      But you’re not right when you say that “arguing about electability is pointless”.

      In Nevada, Colorado, and Delaware, there were weak Democrats running for re-election in the Senate in 2010. The reason why they got re-elected is that Republicans in those states were so confident that a Tea Party Republican could win as easily as a Republican like Mike Castle, who was respected on both sides of the aisle, that they went far right in the primary and thereby gave up any chance of winning the general election.

      Sharon Angle was a weak candidate.

      Mitt will choose a very strong and conservative VP. I’m hoping that he chooses one of the following: Bob McDonnell (Gov. of Virginia), Nikki Haley (Gov of South Carolina), Tom Coburn (Senator from Oklahoma), John Cornyn (Senator from Texas), or the current governor of New Mexico (Republican, Latina. I forget her name).

      Any of the above candidates would give Romney the conservative support that he needs to beat Obama.

      • Ann_W

        .. nt..

  • Vegas_Rick

    is no better that any of the lefties. He knows damned good and well that Newt was found not guilty by the IRS of the Dems political hatchet job in the congress. Yet he runs these add. He’s no better than Cooter, who started all these lies back in the 90′s.

    He’s scum.

    He’ll get my vote if he’s the nominee.

    But nothing more.

    • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

      I used to think Romney was a decent guy, but no longer. If Newt leaves the race before Santorum, I’ll vote for Rick before I will Romney.

      By the way, I’ve known a couple of Cooter’s in my life, but I’m not sure who you’re talking about. LOL.

      • Vegas_Rick

        the Dukes of Hazard lost to Newt in a Congressional race, and He’s the one who filed the ethics charges agains Newt.

        • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

          :)

    • sandiegovoter

      If I had money to give, I’d send him some. But I don’t.

      My vote will have to do. I’ll talk to my friends and family about voting for Romney. I do think that he has the best shot at beating Obama and preventing what might otherwise be the worst 4 years in the history of the U.S.

      • avagreen

        Get a clue, girl. Spamming for your guy doesn’t get him or you any votes of confidence.

        Read this. Comments?
        http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1024516/1/index.htm

        Put some real meat into your statements. Not just platitudes or “you are a Romney hater” or something as useless.

        • redmymind

          Haven’t seen pttx333 post lately. Do you know if she’s takin’ a break?

          • avagreen

            I think it was.
            I have her email address and I think I’ll write her.

          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

            If you have westcoastpatriette’s email address, would you mind asking her to contact me at warbington3 @ att.net (no spaces)? I’d really like to send her something. Thanks.

          • avagreen

            westcoastpatriette……as roots said she’d seen many of the posters from here posting on DamnDirtyRino. I’ve been on there but haven’t seen her, or some of the ones roots mentioned.

            I will send roots your email address. BTW, here is one of her email addresses she posted several weeks back which about 3 of us are using through which to contact each other and exchange email addresses:
            srios422@gmail.com.

          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

            . .
            .

          • avagreen

            it’s difficult for her to type b/c of arthritis, complicated by two other diagnoses.

            Going to a doc soon.
            Melody, she can give you the details when you get in contact…….I don’t want to spread it all over the internet.

          • redmymind

            I’ll be praying for her in Church tomorrow morning. I can only imagine what pain she must be in. What a cross to have to bear for such a wonderful, kind, and wise person.

    • redmymind

      n/t

  • aesthete

    Like what? The solutions for entitlement reform have been rejected out of hand, and I’ve heard nothing that is of particular encouragement on a jobs/better economy front that is particularly encouraging (a cap gains tax cut as the central piece of your economics platform? really?).

    If Romney is a “solutions” guy, then where are his “solutions”?

    • kowalski

      I’d really love the chance. I can think of 5 things I’d do right away that would instantly improve America’s economy. They would also be mostly beneficial to Conservatives of every stripe, including Cultural conservatives.

      People need to realize that without money and jobs and a future based on a robust American economy, they can have all the cultural conservatism in the world they want – but they’ll still be poor.

      I hate the word: “devise” by the way. The solutions to the problems we have are fairly well known at this time, they don’t have to even be “invented” much less “devised.”

      :)

      • kowalski

        I won’t come at my President and my Party in opposition from any direction in the middle of important negotiations.

        • aesthete

          but I don’t think Romney does. “Don’t rock the boat” would seem to be the Romney family’s watchwords.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    http://www.redstate.com/rsklaroff/2012/01/28/cage-fight-game-on/

    Have discussed this newsflash on my new diary-site.

    Critique invited….

  • bluerose75

    Sarah has not formally endorsed Newt but she did a great job deciphering the difference between the Establishment tin suit Romney with the only real conservative that she feels can beat Obama and that is Newt. She was on with Justice Jeanne from Fox and Sarah made is clear Newt is feared by the Establishment because he would shake things up and actually look for solutions. She also made is clear that Newt has true conservative credentials and not Romney. She poked fun at Romney’s pathetic attempt to defend Romneycare as being on the State level as if okay to FORCE people to buy something as long on state level…Socialized medicine.

    She also touched on the history and she is correct if you look at Romney’s histoty he has never been conservative and never supported Reagan at all!! Sarah contrasts that with Newt who while, spent years in Congress, is clearly being attacked by all the DC Insiders now which as Sarah says should tell the GOP voter something!!

    And she is right Newt’s negatives are higher because of the millions Romney and his goons are spending to portray Newt that way!! But like she said Obama will vet Romney with that billion dollar war chest and his flip flopping recent conversion to conservatism will be exposed for all to see not just the GOP. Romney will crumble like a deck of cards!! Romney is a liberal and Obama will have field day showing Romney today, Romney in the 80s, Romney today, Romney in the 90s,,,it will be brutal. There is no way this tin suit will stand the scrutiny!! I can just see the independents…oh yeah Romney is a man of true conviction….right!!! And the conservatives already cannot stand him….so where will his support come from??

    The liberals will support Romney!!! OH I forgot they already have Obama!! Romney will be cooked faster than a ribeye steak at Longhorn Steakhouse!!

    • WillWong

      If this is not an endorsement, I don’t know what is! Go Sarah Go! Go Newt Go!

  • WillWong

    The following is a discussion on Romney’s positions over the years. You decide for yourself who he really is?

    As the Florida primary looms closer, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has more and more strongly identified himself as a consistent conservative and Republican voter, and in Thursday?s GOP debate he implied he always has been.

    But a review of the facts paints a different picture and counters Romney?s assertions. In the past, Romney has often gone to considerable lengths to distance himself from Republicans and conservatives.

    ? Romney had been a lifelong independent before he decided to run for Ted Kennedy?s Senate seat in Massachusetts in 1994, the Boston Globe reported at the time.

    When Romney debated Kennedy, Kennedy accused his opponent of trying to return the country to the policies of Reagan-Bush. Romney retorted: ?I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I?m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.?

    ? The Los Angeles Times reported that after Romney entered the ’94 Senate race, his wife Ann said: ?We didn?t know a single Republican when we jumped in.?

    The Times also disclosed that Romney even considered running as an independent ?before rejecting the idea as impractical.?

    ? When House Speaker Newt Gingrich was promoting his ?Contract with America? in 1994, Romney?s aides said he ?had not read the document and had no plans to support it,? the Globe reported.

    The Washington Times observed that Romney ?criticized the Republican campaign agenda, the ?Contract with America,? as too partisan.?

    ? Brent Bozell?s Conservative Victory Committee attacked Romney in 1994 for ?running away from conservative Republican themes? and espousing a ?left-wing agenda.?

    ? Washington Post columnist David Broder observed during the 1994 Senate campaign: ?Eager to show that he is a moderate independent and no ideologue, Romney stressed his support for universal health insurance and abortion rights, criticized the Republican ?Contract with America,? and was more outspoken than Kennedy in arguing that the Boy Scouts should not exclude homosexual youths.?

    ? In 1992, Romney voted in the Democratic presidential primary for Paul Tsongas, one of the most liberal Democrats in the Senate, saying Tsongas’ views were more closer to his own than Bill Clinton’s.

    ? Romney donated to the 1992 campaign of U.S. Rep. Dick Swett, a New Hampshire Democrat; Rep. John LaFalce, a New York Democrat; and Democrat Doug Anderson, who was running for the Senate from Utah.

    Romney defended the donations, saying: ?I don?t think they?re mortal sins,? according to the Boston Herald. Press reports suggested he made the donations because of personal relationships or business reasons.

    ? The Deseret News in Utah reported that Romney?s 2002 campaign for governor in Massachusetts ?features an endorsement from a self-described ?liberal Democrat? ? Salt Lake Mayor Rocky Anderson.?

    Romney returned the favor, endorsing Anderson?s re-election campaign in 2003.

    Anderson later called for the impeachment of President George W. Bush for ?abuses of power? and ?human rights abuses.?

    ? Romney in 1994 ?disassociated himself from Reagan and Bush policies and said he would be independent of Republican Senate leaders,? the Boston Globe reported.

    ?Romney offers himself as the candidate of change. What he would change from is obvious; what he would change to is still unclear.?

    During the CNN debate in Jacksonville, Romney gave listeners a more emphatic impression of his past Republican credentials, saying, “I’ve never voted for a Democrat when there was a Republican on the ballot. And — in my state of Massachusetts — you could register as an independent and go vote in (whichever) primary happens to be very interesting. And any chance I got to vote against Bill Clinton or Ted Kennedy, I took. ? I have always voted for a Republican any time there was a Republican on the ballot.”

    Romney also stated during the debate after being elected governor of Massachusetts he became more conservative. This statement appears more truthful. On fiscal matters then Gov. Romney and Massachusetts’ Democratically controlled legislature clashed frequently. Romney holds the state record for gubernatorial vetoes.

    http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Romney-Was-Independent-Not/2012/01/28/id/425824

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …will prompt this diarist to rethink his posture!

    • WillWong

      is waged one diarist at a time! God willing, Ender will come over from the dark side!

  • natek58

    All ran as true conservatives and WON!!!

    Ford, HW Bush (after raising taxes), Dole, and McCain ran as centrist and LOST!!!!

    When Republicans run as CONSERVATIVES they WIN!

    I rest my case!!

    • WillWong

      Can Romney run as a conservative? Does his conservatism hold water?

      Can a leopold change its spots? I am asking be because so often, we are conned into believing what we hear. So here comes Mittens claiming to be a conservative despite a lifetime of non-conservative achievements, including Romneycare, raising taxes (oops….fees), proud signee of the first-in-the-nation same sex marriage law and we are supposed to fall in line?

      And a person with a lifetime of conservative achievements is no longer conservative because someone took a section of his speech out of context and spent millions attacking that person’s conservative credentials and we are suppose to drop that person?

      • natek58

        Romney IS NOT a conservative and he cannot change his spots. With him, we are screwed.

      • bluerose75

        As usual…Mitt has one lip running in one direction and another going the opposite way. He claims his tax returns were filed honestly!! NOT!!!

        LA Times found 23 Oversea Accounts that Mitt DID NOT LIST on his Financial Disclosure Forms!! with the FEC?? Accounts in Luxemborg, Bermuda and Cayman Islands??

        He also claims 15 percent tax rate from money he claims he earned from BAIN..yet he retired allegedly from BAIN from 1999!! The Wall Street Journal is questioning Mitt!! His spokesman calls is “BOILERPLATE LANGUAGE”…I call it deliberately misleading. It was an accidental omission according to a Romney Spokesman…WHAT A CROCK!! He was just nailed by the WSJ!!

        This guy is such a fraud and his shady dealings are coming to the surface!! Boy Obama would will have a field day if he is the nominee. He flips/flops, lies and spends millions to paint himself with the Sherwin Williams Conservative Color. Problem with his paint is that is chips away daily and needs a new coat every hour!

        He is no conservative!

  • WillWong

    Think about this…all this talk about Mittens being the money guy able to create jobs, fix the economy, blah blah blah.

    This man outspent Huckabee 20:1 and still lost Iowa in 2008. He has been campaigning for 6 years and can barely get more than 25% of the votes. Even with the GOP establishment behind him, he has Newt snapping at his heels and actually humiliated him in SC. In a nutshell, Mittens is a lousy campaigner!

    Now picture him in the general against Obama…..by most accounts, the two are not that far apart! So why change? And for once, Romney will be outspent and the MSM will be against him and the GOP establishment can’t help him! And he has no debating skills to bail himself out! And all his lies will be magnified 100 times by the MSM. And Obamacare will be off the table, given that he is the GrandDaddy of Obamacare.

    And this should bring all you Rombots back to reality….Obama as a freshman senator with zero experience took down the much vaunted Clinton machine in 2007 and reduced Hillary to tears! Just imagine what he would do to a frackless Mittens.

    So it is not too late to switch to Newt. At least with Newt, we have a fighting chance.

  • scottishjew

    The choice you make in candidates is a reflection of your worldview. You simply dismiss the fact that Romney instituted socialist healtchare with a mandate. Apparently, that type of thinking is perfectly okay with you when you choose candidates. True conservatives understand that those who support or ignore Romneycare will support other big government solutions. So, you’re not conservative. At best, i would classify you as a moderate.

    • Ender

      I just don’t think it is socialist healthcare, nor do I ignore (like many of you) the fact that most conservatives supported the mandates back then, including Newt Gingrich. In hindsight you might say that it is not the best solution and that the cost were not controlled, but it’s revisionist to say that what Romney did was somehow a big government solution opposed by conservatives.

      Romneycare is not a negative for me. It was a state healthcare solution vastly superior to government controlled single payer or public option.

      Am I a moderate because of that? Let’s just say I am a student of history.

      • Finrod

        Newt Gingrich figured out eventually that mandates are a Bad Idea.

        Mitt Romney still hasn’t figured that out.

        • Ender

          Also Mitt rejects mandates as a Federal solution. States should be able to choose their own healthcare solutions, and you could do a lot worse than what Mitt did in MA.

          • scottishjew

            The Federalist argument is really weak, Ender. Whether states have the RIGHT to enact government run healthcare (they do) doesnt answer whether government run healthcare with mandates is a good idea. It’s the kind of slick defense that makes him so unappealing to conservatives. He needs to knock it off.

            Romney thinks that this is good deflection of the argument. It’s not. Romneycare gives us.

            I will NEVER vote for Romney. If it’s Romney-Obama. I write in. I dont vote for Democrats.

  • scottishjew

    Oh, it is a big government solution whether Heritage Foundation or other “conservatives”, including Newt, supported it at some point. And yeah, you are a moderate (or liberal) Republican for supporting a candidate who enacted Government Mandated Socialized Healthcare. Government run healthcare is not something true conservatives believe in. I know it’s fashionable to say one is a conservative. Some people have come to believe that saying you’re a conservative simply means you are a Republican. But, Republican does not equal Conservative. Being conservative connotes a certain set of principles. “Conservatives” who support mandates aren’t really conservatives.

    The person you choose reflects where you stand on the spectrum Look, if I voted for Lenin, I’d be a socialist. You support a guy who passed government healthcare, is anti abortion and milquetoast on taxes. You’re a moderate.

    • Ender

      based on other people’s opinions. In my ideal world, capitalist solutions would be applied to everything, but as part of those capitalist solutions I would force people to pay their own way and not be freeloaders. Purchasing private insurance would be a must. So yes, I guess I am for mandates. A mandate to not be a freeloader. When you come up with a better workable and implementable solution, you tell me.

      It is easy to be opposed to things, but a lot harder to actually come up with own ideas. Many conservative leaders these days have no good ideas.

      • In The Hook

        That seems like the only workable solution in a system with ridiculously high costs that doesn’t include mandates. I would have a major problem with the former. The latter? I’m in favor of it. You skip out on your bills and try to make the taxpayer foot the bill, you get a lien on your property if you have any. And if you don’t, automatic wage garnishment that goes to the state Treasury.

        I doubt very much that those proposals will go over well with a big portion of the electorate but I think it would work and is appropriate.

      • scottishjew

        passing laws forcing people to buy things is a pretty liberal tactic. Approximately where does that principle end?

        Better idea. How about hospitals sue people who owe them money? Health savings accounts are a better idea. Also, eliminating price fixing by insurance bureaucrats and, now, government bureaucrats would do wonders. Those are free market solutions. Not the big government solutions you support.

        • In The Hook

          But trying to collect on medical bills is difficult and of course, outsources to third parties after a time. That’s why state governments could be very helpful here. I don’t like the idea of the state being the “collector of last resort” but since the taxpayer foots the bill and ultimately at least helps the hospitals and doctors be made whole, why shouldn’t they pass laws to ensure folks who skip out end up reimbursing the Treasury unless they do something dramatic like leave the state.

          • lineholder

            In my state of NC, there is a rider that is placed on state income tax refunds.

          • In The Hook

            That’s a fantastic and appropriate provision. And yes, I’m sure the cries from the left will be loud but most people who skip out on these bills are not indigent. If they were, they’d be eligible for Medicaid.

          • acat

            the ability of medical service providers to claw back money from them makes much more sense.

            Allow hospitals to collect biometric data to prove ID (some free riders lie about who they are, thus committing fraud .. and besides, it’s a *hospital*, they have your DNA already…) and move them to the front of the line in the case of bankruptcy and the system will self-correct… and will do so without adding a new federal or state bureaucracy.

            Mew

          • lineholder

            expanding bureaucracy at either the federal or the state level, in consideration of Medicaid expansion, another viable option for some states may be to increase funding into public health entities and expand the range of services offered by these entities.

            I know that it isn’t exactly a principle of Conservatism to consider public/private co-ops, but I think in this particular context it could drastically reduce the costs incurred at local ERs. And I’m saying that as someone who has actually been in a position to see the health records and incident rate of minor health problems coming through the ER.

            Reducing the cost incurred to begin with could assist in collection activities. There are some “free riders” on the system, but for a lot of people, it simply ends up being a matter of available expendable income and cash on hand. The lower the expense, the more likely most patients are about working out some type of payment arrangement. But if the amount is large, it can be so daunting to the patient that they don’t even try.

            Another idea that I’ve heard is for states to provide yearly capped vouchers for Medicaid expenses directly to individual consumers and allow the remaining amount of the voucher at the end of a year to be divided…part of it goes in cash to the individual and part of it goes into a HSA to be rolled over for future use in the event of catastrophic illness or major accident.

            The rationale is that it would encourage individual consumers to become more cost-conscious. Rather than running to the ER, they might go to an urgent care center. Or if the situation is one where they could wait for a doctor’s appointment, it would keep them from running to the ER. If they have the sense that the “money” is their own….it could reduce costs by increasing individual accountability.

          • acat

            I’m a pragmatic, I don’t plan to raise an ideological banner against public-private partnerships. I would say that the devil is in the details, and would want the “public” part to be well defined and limited to prevent “scope creep”.

            I’m under the impression that the ER is the most expensive care you can get. Anything else is cheaper. So .. reducing the number of non-broke free riders frees up more money hospitals already have – otherwise they’d be closed – for non-ER uses.

            I’d be much happier with a hospital writing its’ “profits” down to zero due to one or more free or sliding-scale clinics operated as branches than with one writing its’ “profits” down over the ER.

            This is where advancing the claw-back rights of the hospital help – instead of selling bad debt for pennies on the dollar, if hospitals came earlier in the process, they could sell debt at a higher premium and net more since it’s more recoverable.

            Mew

          • lineholder

            the profit margin ratio is going to become that much more important to hospitals, acat. I agree that claw-back rights are advantageous to these facilities, and placing them earlier in the process would be helpful.

            I guess I’m looking at ways that they aren’t put in situations of potentially incurring those debts to begin with…preventive and pre-emptive actions, so to speak, by finding some means to provide other avenues of care. If it weren’t for that, I probably wouldn’t even consider any type of public/private co-op.

          • acat

            is to avoid accidentally creating a magnet. TANSTAAFL* still applies, creating the illusion of a free lunch isn’t acceptable.

            I’m wondering if we’ll see health care providers moving back to being supported by private charitable organizations, i.e. churches. That worked well historically, although we’ll likely need some tax code tweaks to get it to work again.

            Mew

            * There Ain’t No Such Thing As A Free Lunch – variously attributed.

          • lineholder

            That was huge turning point in health care history, and I’m not sure how or even if that could be changed.

            I do wonder if we might have options that would encourage health care providers to become more proactively involved in charitable donation of their services. There are those who do so out of the generosity of their hearts, but…do you think there’s any possibility that something along the lines of a tax-break incentive could be offered to private health care providers who volunteer for public health activities as a way of providing an alternative means of care? I’ve heard it mentioned once or twice, but really don’t know how viable an option it would be.

          • acat

            Restrict what someone receiving sliding-scale or pro bono medical can sue for to time and materials. Period.

            As in, if you receive health services in an E.R. and are unable to pay the full cost, you can’t sue to recover more than the time and materials spent on you.

            That’s technically under tort reform, not Romneycare, but .. that’s part of why this is such a maze of twisty passages all alike*…

            Mew

            * Zork reference…

          • lineholder

            earlier today, I asked RMJ about the many “the Secretary will determine” provisions under O-care and whether the rulings that have been made under Sebelius could be altered if there is a change in leadership from D to R in Nov. And I was thinking about it in the context of altering those rulings in a way that would favor free-market options. RMJ said he believes that this would be possible.

            If that is true, then if we do not succeed in obtaining full repeal of the law, it is still possible that we could turn this law on its head (so to speak) by utilizing the “Secretary” provisions.

            That being the case, my ever-so-inquisitive mind has started wondering about how many different options we might have, both at the federal and the state level.

            Tort reform, can take place at a state level, correct? Tort reform, per se, isn’t included in O-care, but if tort reform takes place, how many other doors of opportunity, that might be accessed via the “Secretary” provisions, would it open?

          • acat

            My concern is that, as with the Mexico City policy, it’s likely that, even if a Romney administration neuters the worst parts of Obamacare … the next Dem administration could reverse it.

            We need a more permanent solution, and leadership to push it.

            Mew

          • lineholder

            I would much prefer the push for full repeal so that we don’t have this monstrosity hanging out there in the wind for elected officials to play “political football” with it ever time there is a leadership change.

            On the other hand, if by some chance we get an R President in 2012 and we don’t have the votes in Congress necessary for full repeal…turning this law on its head and throwing in all the free-market options we can find could ultimately bring about some major changes, couldn’t it? Pursuing it at this time could have advantages where generating growth in the private sector is concerned, too. And it would provide a huge contrast of R approach to D approach during the general.

            Oh, BTW, RMJ’s take was that if Repubs went “full metal Neanderthal” (love his choice of his words there, don’t you?) on this matter, then it could very will bring it about for Dems to pursue court action that would eliminate the “Secretary” provisions. I think RMJ may be onto something there….wondering if they’d want to get rid of it enough to contribute a repeal effort….rather than watching Rs use it to implement more free-market options….

          • creinstein

            Hospitals already have so much regulations.

            We might be able to enact cost savings by eliminating a number and for accounting for modern technology.

            Think on it… Xrays were very difficult to operate, required a lot more training than modern equipment does. With technology anyone can take a Xray of someone without undo risk.

            There is a large amount of duplication, paperwork, and other things we could reduce also by allowing innovation to replace regulations.

            Then there is the mother of all innovations.

            Insurance requires specific hospitals. If we allow people to see doctors that charge less than a given rate also… then Competition can keep reducing costs..

          • lineholder

            The number of ways in which the health care industry has been utilizing new technologies is a totally fascinating subject! From inpatient surgery to what is now outpatient surgery and beyond, the advancement of technology has been amazing.

            We’ve already started losing a few hospitals via consolidation. Also, there are some more rural areas where hospitals were financially supported by municipal bonds that have closed.

            I’m not sure how much altering the context where health insurance regulating what hospital a person can or can not use would change the environment to become more competitive amongst care providers. It might alter it some, but I think the methodology for defining reimbursement rates (coming from third-party payers) would have to change before we’d get close to see anything like a “price war”.

  • scottishjew

    Mandates are the band aid to the solution. The problem is high health care costs, which is caused by price fixing of medical services. Fix that and unreimbursed hospital care will drastically be reduced. THAT’S a free market solution. A socialist solution is to FORCE everyone to buy health insurance. That’s your guy Romney.