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Asking us to support your candidate by denigrating ours.

I’ve supported Romney from the start of the primary season. However I’ve felt good about other candidates and flirted with switching my #1 many times. Like many other conservative republicans (yeah yeah I am somewhat socially moderate but I do support social conservatives with no problems) I’ve desired the most conservative possible candidate that was also intelligent, viable, and attractive to the American electorate. Thus I’ve supported, sometimes as #1 both Newt and Perry, and was positive towards Cain and Bachmann. Like many other conservatives, I disliked Huntsman’s campaign style, and well he obviously wasn’t viable.

As other candidates disappointed me in turn, I kept turning back to Romney. I’ve explained why I supported him in my previous diary “I support Mitt Romney”. However what frustrates me on Redstate is not the obvious lack of support for Romney, he certainly does not have a great track of conservative accomplishments, given that he was a governor of MA, but the amount of denigrating and insulting invective being thrown in both his and his supporters direction.

Romneybots is one of the milder descriptors being used towards people like me, simply for being a part of 20-30% consistent Republican supporters of a Republican presidential candidate. It’s often a lot worse. Do you think that we would be persuaded to support your candidate if you cast doubt on our own personal conservative credentials, and claim that we are blind and unthinking?

Also Romney is seemingly the only candidate that some of you claim you would never vote for, including the general election. In the various public polls, of the Republicans in the general population, outside of this site, it is the opposite as Romney is the most acceptable candidate with the smallest percentage of Republicans not willing to vote for him if he is the nominee.

Some examples of what is said about Mitt Romney:

“He is mr. 1 % incarnate.” 

“Why does the GOP go to the last loser? Loser should be the last one you would want to run this time?”

“Romney, on the same hand, wears a deceptive and vile mask which can and does fool the uniformed.”

“He’s scum.”

“…no conservative should vote for Romney if he is ordained by the establishment with the nomination.”

 ”We should always vote for the candidate with the most conservative principles – that will be the libertarian in the above race if it is Romney”

“You Romney supporters are increasingly making it clear who your candidate is: a lowlife thug in an Armani suit… Mitt Romney is a scumbag, and his methods are beneath the office he seeks.”

“So, I’m wondering: where’s the bounty on Magic Underwear RomeyCare’s sex scandal. Is he really that squeaky clean?”

“Romney is a lying, liberal scumbag who is buying the election and is being added by the moderate filth in the Republican Party that has sold this Country to the leftist traitors like Reid, Pelosi and the Marxist Obama. May they all burn in Hell.”

I could go on, but I think I’ve got enough – and that’s just in the last few days. I understand it was a lot worse a few weeks and months ago. Pleasant stuff. I feel a tingle up my leg to quickly dump Romney and move on to the true conservatives in the race.

A lot is said of Romney’s negative attacks and of his surrogates and supporters, but if you just step outside your narrow view and think of how all this stuff is playing to the Romney’s Republican (many conservative) supporters, perhaps you will watch what you say when you try to persuade us to support your candidate.

For the record, I will support Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum if either one becomes our nominee. I will even be enthusiastic about Gingrich, water under the bridge and all that. But for now it’s game on and Florida here we come!

 

COMMENTS

  • Kyle-MI

    Although I am probably wavering a little more between Newt and Mitt.

    What I don’t get are the people who say Mitt will destroy the GOP. I could just as easily see Newt destroying the GOP although in a different way.

    There seem to be people who get too emotionally invested in their candidate and have taken the anti-opponent rhetoric too seriously. These guys are all politicians and all of them should be trusted as much as you trust your local use-car salesman. Certainly the founding fathers understood the flaws in the human condition which is why they set up the system of checks and balances in the federal government.

    Neither Mitt nor Newt will ride rough shot over the GOP House or Senate. And we need to keep working in pushing both of them more to the right, again no matter who is president.

    • Ender

      It’s exactly why I don’t mind Romney’s flip flopping that much. Who hasn’t changed their mind on the issues? They will all need to be dragged to the right on various issues, especially government spending.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Republican in the General.

    It’s still Primary season. Romney isn’t conservative.

    Romney and his supporters have reached new heights in sleaze during this election. Calling out supporters of other candidates on this is the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black.

    • Ender

      and his supporters with the crap that his campaign and his pacs are putting out. The stuff said about Romney and his supporters has been much more destructive in my view. When Newt went on the anti-Bain crusade is when I moved away from considering supporting him.

      We are all on the same team. A little respect would be nice. We are not robots for being fervent supporters of Mitt – just like many others are not robots for fervently supporting Perry or Newt or Santorum. We are not all elites (I am just a regular middle class guy). We will vote for the R in the General.

      • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

        Mitt started the attacks in Iowa. Up to that point, Newt had been very positive and supportive of the other candidates. Mitt’s cloak of inevitability slipped at bit and he couldn’t handle it, so out came the sleaze.

        Live by the smear, die by the smear. We are not on the same side right now. Eventually we will be, but not right now.

        You get respect by giving it. Romney supporters threw respect out the window when enough of us refused to just fall in line because it was his turn. I have no respect for Mitt right now, and it’s going to be a long time before I will, if ever.

        • Ender

          I do agree that Mitt’s PACs and his campaign went nuts on Newt when he became the possible real challenger in Iowa. But that’s the name of the game in the primaries. I still remember W destroying McCain in the primaries back in the day and that’s just how it was done. Mitt didn’t do anything different. It’s high stakes and you play to win.

          But I lost respect for Newt with the direction of his attacks. Newt came at Mitt from the left, and I just can’t stand that. Newt has a deep reservoir of good will from me and many others from his Speaker days, but it was dented in recent months.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            It’s ok for Mitt to use sleazy tactics, but not others. Mitt didn’t attack Newt from the right or left, he attacked him from the gutter.

            You’re in the tank for Mitt, you always have been, you don’t care how he wins. Just admit it. Really, if you guys can’t even respect yourselves, how do you expect me to respect you?

          • In The Hook

            Newt’s attacks made no sense because he was running to the right of Romney but attacking him from the left. Mitt’s attacks were consistent… attacking him from below. But you know what? All is fair in politics, especially since Newt did the things Romney has attacked him for. It’s also plenty fair to attack Romney on being a moderate and supporting the mandate and all that stuff. But it makes no sense and hurts the GOP brand in general to hit him from the left while running to the right.

            The fact that Romney has any kind of machine should actually buoy our hopes for the general election if he is the nominee. Bush won in 2000 and 2004 because he had a well-oiled attack and defense machine in place and a crazy-good GOTV operation. McCain had basically nothing. No money, no organization, no nothing. This time around we’ll actually have

          • In The Hook

            N/T

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            He’s a wuss, plain and simple. The media will destroy him.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            Not what I’m looking for in a President. Mitt started it. And he started it by being sleazy, just like he did in 2008. He doesn’t now get to dictate what’s allowed and what isn’t. I’m really REALLY disgusted with him, and although I will vote for him in November if he is the nominee, I will never support him.

          • clowngirl

            Mitt Romney just recently align himself with Nancy Pelosi in suggesting that her ridiculous bluff that she had something on Newt was cause for concern.

            And Romney and his fan club co-opting the Democrat’s bogus ethics charges against Newt is utterly repellent.

            Romney seems to have missed the fact that Newt was exonerated and that the ethics complaints were obviously filed for political reasons (a la Sarah Palin)

            He continually repeats the lie that Newt was “fined” $300,000 and that he “resigned in disgrace”

            Mark Levin, who is not even a Newt supporter, rightfully went off on Romney and his crowd for this kind of trash.

            As to Newt’s Super PAC’s attacks on Bain. What– would you prefer to let Obama vet Mitt Romney?

            Romney hasn’t been vetted on his 25 years at Bain – that’s just a fact.

            He purchased and supervised a company while it perpetuated a HUGE scam — that needs to be looked into.

            If Romney made his profits honestly, then he shouldn’t be attacked on his Bain records but there’s are enough red flags to warrant a much closer look at his record.

            Bain seems to been fatal to his campaign against Ted Kennedy that he should have won. (Teddy was an extremely vulnerable laughingstock, statistically tied with Romney a month out, when Romney had a very popular Republican Governor winning with over 70% of the vote providing coat tails, and 1994 was an absolutely fantastic Republican year)

            Aside from the fact that I just plain don’t like Romney or his record, I’m, very concerned that he doesn’t have better explanations about Bain when it’s an issue he was attacked on extensively in the past.

            I’m also concerned by the fact Romney seems to need to outspend his opponent 5 to 1 (or have other campaigns also saturating the market with attack ads) resort to lying, have his own baggage suppressed, have tons more money and organization and have the media on his side to even be in contention to win his 2nd state out of the first four

            None of those advantages would be available to him against Obama.

          • Ender

            saying that Soros thinks there is no difference between Romney and Obama, And that what Soros thinks should be of great concern to Republicans. which is exactly the same nonsense you point to with Pelosi. So what? People are blind to the faults of the people they support, at least I accept that Romney slings mud with the best of them. I just prefer him to Newt on the issues, character, and record.

          • clowngirl

            Pelosi was trying to hurt Newt’s chances.

            Soros endorsed Romney.

            Not the same at all.

            The opposite really.

            Newt has leftists trying to bring him down – Romney is backed by leftists.

  • Finrod

    If you can’t support a candidate that spends his time trashing other candidates, then why in the world are you supporting Mitt Romney? He’s done nothing to explain his conservative positions, literally all his ads do is either trash other candidates or are vacuous puff pieces about him.

    Your diary is so naive as to be unintentionally hilarious, if it wasn’t so tragic.

    • Ender

      I wasn’t talking about Romney or Gingrich trashing others, as much as the supporters of Gingrich and others trashing us Romney supporters. People like me are being trashed by people like you simply for supporting Romney. Carry on. It is hilarious.

      • clowngirl

        but really, aren’t you lumping the rest of us non-Romney supporters together as a group and trashing us as well.

        I haven’t called any Romney supporter a “Romneybot” or anything else — and yet I have come across Romney supporters who have been very rude to me without provocation.

        I’ve witnessed less than ideally respectful behavior from RSers supporting a variety of candidates (even the occasional Gingrich suppoter — though in my biased view much less often than the others) It’s my perception, actually, that most of the people on Redstate who are particularly obnoxious happen to support Mitt Romney.

        So why single out people who are rude to Rom ney supporters?

  • Ender

    which translates into a decent amount of hostility towards his supporters. People notice attacks on themselves a lot more than on others, because it becomes more personal. I am much more defensive because of that.

    I am not trashing anyone who has been objective and civil, but just pointing out those who have not. That behavior is not helpful, and it is not helpful on any side, including that of Romney supporters.

  • Ender

    above