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Anniversary of Shame

A year after the hate crime, authorities have no leads

It was one year ago, on December 12, 2008, that the church Sarah Palin’s family attends was torched:

WASILLA — Whoever torched Gov. Sarah Palin’s home church tried to start fires in several places around the building, the federal agency assisting in the investigation said Monday.

Accelerants were found in multiple locations on the outside of Wasilla Bible Church, including around entrances and exits, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

The fire was responsible for an estimated $1 million in damage to the building and endangered the lives of the five church members who were inside when the building was torched. Fortunately, the arsonists fire alarm was still working and warned those inside, and they were able to get out safely.

This one year anniversary is one of shame. It is always shameful when someone harbors such hate that they would try to burn down a house of God. But it’s doubly shameful that authorities from the federal level on down don’t even have a suspect in the case:

The Wasilla Police Department is leading the ongoing investigation, but none of the leads they’ve chased so far have ended up panning out.

“The investigation is still open, and we’re still asking the public to contact us if anybody has heard anything,” Deputy Chief Greg Wood said.

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives and the state fire marshal’s office both assisted in the initial investigation, and the state crime laboratory collected evidence at the scene.

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“We don’t have any new leads right now, but we’re still looking,” Wood said.

The reluctance of the lamestream media to report on the arson is shameful also. It is to the credit of The Alaska Dispatch — not Palin-friendly by any means — that it published an update on the unsolved crime earlier this month.

But we’re reminded of Glenn Beck’s observations shortly after the fire:

Do you think it would lead the news if Barack Obama’s old church had been burned down, the church of Jeremiah Wright? Do you think that would have led the news? A man who’s already blaming the government for creating AIDS to kill African-Americans, imagine what he would be saying into any camera that would tape him. Not only would the media suddenly find a way to make a front page story in every single paper, this would squarely be blamed on “hateful” people like Sarah Palin, not to mention there would be calls to get rid of talk radio already today.

The most disturbing thing about the arson, however, is that the person or persons who are responsible are still on the loose and probably emboldened because they got away with their hate crime scot-free. What will they try next?

- JP

COMMENTS

  • SteveLA

    Well I know everything in your world is about how SWMNBN is a victim and all, but the MSM covered the story when it happened.

    CNN did and a bunch of others if you care to Google it.

    As to who did it, could have been anyone, or no one, unless you have other information. A person seeking attention, someone who does not like SWMNBN, any number of possibles. If you have more facts please share them, but as a matter of shame not so much. Unless you are trying to blame the Fire and Police, and the ATF and probably Secret Service for not doing a thorough job of investigating to try to catch the criminal who started the fire.

    Shame that everyone shares would be any burning of any house of worship, SWMNBN’s church, Black Churches in the South, or any other house of worship in this country. Of course it does not fit the story of the continued victimhood of SWMNBN, so never mind.

    • Jack_Savage

      Largely a myth, Steve. Seriously.

      • SteveLA

        Jack

        From a Christian Science Monitor article on the topic.

        “Nearly 1,000 churches burned between 1996 and 2000 nationwide, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). Authorities nabbed about 100 suspects, a pace that has only decreased slightly.”

        I did perhaps exaggerate that it’s only Black churches being burned, but it’s hardly an unknown phenomenon in this country and no matter who’s church it is, the act of burning a church is a shame we all share. The fact that SWMNBN church was attacked is no more a shame than the attack on any other house of worship.

        From the article, that’s a 10 percent conviction rate, so it’s not surprising that the attack on SWMNBN’s church has not been solved or that there has not been more reporting other than the initial attack.

        • Jack_Savage

          I agree! kinda…

          “the act of burning a church is a shame we all share.”

          But I disagree with this:

          “The fact that SWMNBN church was attacked is no more a shame than the attack on any other house of worship.”

          I think it is very, very serious, and definitely more shameful. Not because it was Sarah Palin, but because it was an act of political terrorism, plain and simple. I don’t think anyone could make the case that if Barack Obama’s church had been burned, or even John McCain’s, it would have fallen out of the news so quickly. I believe that any sort of threat or action against any politician or public figure should be handled with the full effort and force of all government agencies that have anything to do with the incident, no matter who the victims are.

          • SteveLA

            Jack

            So who did it, what was their motive? Are you sure it was someone who didn’t like SWMNBN, her politics, her fame, or glasses or what. Maybe it was someone who fell out with the church, maybe an unbalanced person, may a teenager who was mad at someone in the congregation, lots of suspects. I don’t know, and it’s not real clear how you’ve reached a conclusion based on no facts.

            When they catch someone and the person is brought to trial those facts will be entered in evidence. When you have some facts to go with the latest edition of victimized SWMNBN, then we’ll all know the truth.

          • Jack_Savage

            Let’s say a cop is killed. No one pursuing the killer cares what their motive was, and they shouldn’t care. There is something different about killing a cop. Period.

            I really don’t care what the motive was in the Wasilla church burning. No one should care. It should not make a difference. The fact is that it was the church of a person who was running for Vice President of the United States, that is all I need to know, and it is all the information authorities need in order to make it rain down hell fire on whoever may have done it.

            Don’t let your hatred of Sarah blind you into excusing or minimizing what would become a terrible, terrible precedent in so many ways.

          • SteveLA

            Jack

            A sitting Governor of a sovereign state, namely Alaska was involved. When the church was attacked the election was over, maybe you think differently, but them’s the facts.

            As a simple matter of legal authority, the State Police in Alaska was the primary law enforcement agency and not any Federal government agency. I’m not smart enough about how the Alaskan State police does or does not do it’s job, but I will assume that they are competent to investigate a case of arson against a church. If they weren’t, the then sitting Governor, who was at that time Governor Palin was free to contact the US Attorney General and request Federal take over of the investigation.

            Blind hatred of SWMNBN, how about disgust with PalinBots who make everything about what a Victim SWMNBN is. In the case of this attack on her home church, a sitting Governor had all the power at her fingertips to get all the law enforcement required for the a through investigation. You want to tell me that Governor Palin did not know how to exercise the power of her office as Governor of the state of Alaska?

            Truthfully, I think they know who started the fire and for local community sort of reasons that person has probably not been pursued. But hey, I’m just guessing here, same as you.

          • Jack_Savage

            I was sloppy with my dates. Certainly she was not running for VP.

            We will just have to agree to disagree on this. I simply think it is different than an ordinary arson because of the political position – at the time of the arson, and previously – of the person who attended the church. I have no idea about what was done or not done, or whose jurisdiction it was, but it sure doesn’t seem like there was a hell of a lot of attention paid to it.

            As I said above, I would hold this position regardless of which political figure belonged to this church. I doubt the reaction or LE diligence would have been the same had it been Obama’s church, McCain’s church or even Biden’s, and I think that is what the OP was saying.

    • Jack_Savage

      “As to who did it, could have been anyone, or no one…”

      “Anyone” is a possibility, although remote IMO. “No one” is *not* a possibility:

      “Accelerants were found in multiple locations on the outside of Wasilla Bible Church, including around entrances and exits, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.”

      • blooch

        BATF…was Smirnoff the accelerant?

        Anybody question Levi about this?

  • Josh Painter

    “It is always shameful when someone harbors such hate that they would try to burn down a house of God.”

    Reading comprehension, it appears, wasn’t your best subject in school…

    As for the media, yeah they gave it some play — briefly. But had this been Obama’s church or even Biden’s, they would have kept the story on page one until someone was arrested for the crime.

    It’s nice to see that some things at RS haven’t changed. SteveLA will save the nation from the scourge that is Sarah Palin! Watch out for those windmills, Sir Knight. They cut a mean arc.

    - JP

    • SteveLA

      Palin Bots are all about how everything, including the Sun rising in the morning, the Sun setting in the evening and just about everything else is due to the power of SWMNBN with a side of how SWMNBN is a victim.

      Pretty predictable. Don’t you have a Facebook posting or some to spam here on RS?

      • JadedByPolitics

        SCREW UP the Republican Party again? Pretty predictable with RINO’s!

  • Josh Painter

    Palin haters are all about how everyone who supports Sarah Palin is somehow a “bot”, which conveniently slams not only the former governor but millions of people who support her. Palin haters sound just like Obamabots when they spew their anti-Palin DNC talking points. The Palin hating contingent here is one reason RedState is, unfortunately and unfairly, crossed off of the list of a very large group of what would otherwise be potential RS members.

    Keep up the good work. Dragging a fgreat site down must not be easy…

    - JP

    • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

      That’s an incredibly large chip you have on your shoulder. There are several topics that heat things up around here from time to time. One of the things that separates RedState from most of the other sites is the robust discussion that takes place. Sure, sometimes it gets out of hand, but for the most part the discussion is worthwhile.

      As for the very large group of what would otherwise be potential RS members, the same could be said about the supporters of other potential future (and past) Presidential candidates. We’re probably better off without many of them.

      As for Palin’s church, I’m sure all of us would agree the current Justice Department members aren’t going to be tripping over each other to find out who started the fire. That should come as no surprise.

    • mbecker908

      and not bothering to disclose it – like when you were posting here before?

      You’re pathetic.

    • aesthete

      Just as easily have been written by a Ron Paul supporter, or an acolyte of any of the candidates who gets a lot of flack among conservatives and in the Republican party. As NightTwister says above, robust discussion of a political luminary is a feature, not a bug. I don’t have a problem with calls for civility, but declaring that that discussion doesn’t need to happen is equal parts arrogant and foolish. If the putative RS members that we are alienating can’t see the merits of having this discussion, perhaps we are better off without them.

      • mbecker908

        weren’t on his payroll.

  • JadedByPolitics

    of the Federal Government would be over it inch by inch and a whole lot of people would have been rounded up by now whether guilty or not just to show that a church being burned because a candidate for elected office attended there would NOT be acceptable!

    • SteveLA

      Well I realize you’re not much on reality or facts Jaded, but you might go read some history of this country and Church bombings and attacks. Start with the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing in Birmingham to figure out why as usual you don’t have a clue.

      An attack on a predominately African American church such as Wrights would most likely draw Federal law enforcement in droves, mostly as an investigation of Civil Rights violations due to the history of this country.

      Maybe too nuanced a concept for you to grasp, but here’s hoping you’ll get it instead of your usual monosyllabic myopic understanding of anything too complex.

      • JadedByPolitics

        I don’t have to grasp history here because it it CUT & DRIED…Sarah Palin’s church was burned because she was HATED and in this Congress and this Administration that is a HATE CRIME and if this had been his friend Wright the whole of the Federal Government would have been brought to bear.

        OBTW you are correct I don’t do “nuance” that is for pu**ies and liberals so you take your nuance and nibble around the edges of the Republican Party and I will take my sledgehammer and break up the Democrat party mmmmmmkkkkyyyyyy!

        • Achance

          that the arson had anything to do with St. Sarah. Arson is a fairly common pastime in the Matanuska-Susitna Valley. Also in 2008, some guy in Palmer, right down the road from Wasilla admitted to burning his house because “God told him to.” The story is here: http://www.ktuu.com/global/story.asp?s=7829073 It is equally likely to be some crazy kids playing with fire. You might have heard that she was in charge of the State Troopers when she was Governor.

          The Mat-Su Valley is a wild and largely lawless area. The people there are too cheap to pay for much law enforcement, a small cop shop in Wasilla and in Palmer, so they rely on the Alaska State Troopers whose three small posts cover an area larger than all but half a dozen or so states. Here’s a map of the Trooper posts: http://www.dps.state.ak.us/Ast/detachments.aspx And remember, if you cut Alaska in half, Texas would be the third largest state. They had a good sized wildfire in the Big Lake area near Wasilla a few years ago and they almost never got it put out because people kept slipping in to set fire to their house to get the insurance, got to be quite the conversation story. The State Troopers put it in the stack with the other unsolved crimes in the Mat-Su Valley and they’ll catch whoever did it eventually probably when he gets drunk in one of the watering holes and says to his buddies, “you ain’t gonna believe what I did back in ’08″ and somebody rats him off.

          • JadedByPolitics

            that is was due to it being her church it had to be a coincidence because ONCE AGAIN if one puts Sarah and ANYTHING together you must fly in and SHUT IT DOWN. You really are a pathetic piece of work. oh and as Steve would say “so predictable”. One day your bitterness will envelope you and carry you away.

          • Achance
          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            :D

          • JadedByPolitics

            bitterness takes you first…

            I and my stupidity will be here MANY, MANY MORE YEARS then you and your old bitter pathetic self. I am at least 20 years younger if not more then you. When you are sitting in your bitter crap in a wheelchair I will be running around “stupidly” enjoying the best years of my life with all my Conservative friends and you won’t be even a blip of a memory.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            not a chance

            I think jaded makes a great point

          • pilgrim

            A diary written by anyone other than a known Palin supporter that is about church arsons would have never received a single comment from SteveLA and Achance. We have got midterms to get through before we get to the Presidential contest, and yet some “bots” and “anti-bots” simply cannot control themselves.

          • Achance

            So, now in addition to convening star chambers to determine who the “real” conservatives are, we’ll use the same evidentiary standards the left does to make that determination. OK, guess I’m starting to understand the way the “real” conservatives club works; does it meet in a treehouse?

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
          • mbecker908

            who are capable of rational thought.

            In the world of things we’re dealing with this week this is a non-starter to anybody but those on Palin’s payroll.

        • SteveLA

          Jaded

          Seriously, you should setup your own web site.

          The Firelakedog for the Right side of the ditch. Full of guest editorials from people you agree with…scratch that, going to be hard to get Wally George to write from the grave. I’m sure there are people hard Right enough that you’ll agree with them.

          You can use the language you really want to use and not be constrained like you are here at RS. Give us RINOS heck each and every day.

          Sponsorship might be a problem however, I don’t think Reynolds Aluminum foil uses the Web to advertise. There’s always Preparation H, and BeanO.

          Thank you….may I have another.

          • Achance
          • gekster

            Another nt

          • JadedByPolitics

            for what I believe you are and where you belong. I am not going anywhere lib so get used to it. You don’t like it? go hang with likeminded people you know find Adam and get busy trying to run another RINO in the general so that this time WE can just say NO to you and your ILK!

      • ocleverone

        The history of this country? When do we stop with “the history” and move forward to where any attacks on churches are investigated with the same vigor?

        Be an apologist if you choose, it is certainly your right but leave the demeaning personal attacks out of the equation. They are neither warranted nor do they do provide any reinforcement of your argument.

        It just makes you look like a little person with an axe to grind.

        • ocleverone
  • Scope

    and you are correct, some things never change. The good news is that there are a whole lot more of us than there are of them.

  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com/ Veronica Estrada

    I look forward to the day I can be as articulate about the inner-workings of politics as everyone here ..

    But to characterize Redstate based on liking or not liking someone’s politics is pretty nefarious, especially considering the countless loser-lib and radical-activists sites that counter the cause of American freedom.

    Redstate provides a valuable resource and is a great teaching tool for those who want to better understand politics.

    To pull this “I’m not playing here .. with you” is childish.

    Jaded has spunk, as do a lot of posters here, and although I may or may not agree with some viewpoints, we all have a right to express them.