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A proposal and a footnote.

The almost singular driving purpose of our American economic policy should be* to encourage productive capital to move here. (Not high finance engineering, but actual means of production, to use the old terminology.) In fine, the driving purpose of our policy should be Hamiltonian through and through — the difference being that while he had to build a base of productive capital all we have to do is restore one.

What is the dearest thing on earth right now? Capital.

So we offer a two year tax holiday — on everything: income, payroll, cap gains, business, corporate, you name it; and to this tax holiday append a mechanism to grandfather in any company that moves operations into the United States. In other words, I propose to institute a radical Federal tax holiday until 2012, say: at which point the previous regime kicks back in — except for those operations that moved into America during that window of tax abeyance.

To mitigate some of the budgetary nightmares implied by this, we could go with a flat 50% tax on income above some level of wealth. (My thanks to Francis for suggesting this modification.)

Sure, we create the outlines of a mischievous regime of economic aristocracy, which our descendants will likely abuse, but at least we give ourselves a shot at recovering to real economic health, sooner rather than much later.

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* Notice the element of idealism: we are so far removed from the levers of power right now that we can actually talk with the wild liberty of the Greek philosophers. One advantage of the current misfortune of Conservatism is that our isolation from active administration of policy means that we can focus better, and speak freer, on alternatives. We can make education a bigger part of our political program. Socratic education by dialogue. Or consider Michaeal Oakeshott, one of the subtlest of recent political philosophers, on political education: “In politics, then, every enterprise is a consequential enterprise, the pursuit, not of a dream, or of a general principle, but of an intimation. What we have to do with is something less imposing than logical implications or necessary consequences: but if the intimations of a tradition of behavior are less dignified or more elusive than these, they are not on that account less important.” Or again: “The arrangements which constitute a society capable of political activity, whether they are customs or institutions or laws or diplomatic decisions, are at once coherent and incoherent; they compose a pattern and at the same time they intimate a sympathy for what does not fully appear. Political activity is the exploration of that sympathy; and consequently, relevant political reasoning will be the convincing exposure of a sympathy, present but not yet followed up, and the convincing demonstration that now is the appropriate moment for recognizing it.”

Let’s get on with the business of exploring the intimations of Free Enterprise in our American tradition.

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  • kweiss01

    i.e. permanently lower the corporate income tax. Short-term holidays are short-term fixes, and investors know it. That said, I admit that any tax reduction is subject to the whims and revisions of congress — nothing is truly permanent. Still, it seems that short-term rebates and freebies don’t have the impact of longer-term reductions.

  • MAGUY

    Cutting taxes is definitely the right way to go although I hadn’t thought about it in the size and scope that you did. One of the frustrations with the $1TN stimulus package is that a package of tax cuts (payroll taxes, capital gains taxes, etc) like the GOP proposed would have been stimulative immediately and cost significantly less (estimates $300-$400BN)

    To izoneguy’s point it does seem that O is intent on destroying the economy as he is purusing all the wrong policies. Hopefully 2010 will be a repeat of 1994 and pull O to the middle and if he doesn’t he’ll get tossed in 2012

    • izoneguy

      I would abolish the IRS altogether!! Period!!! –

      Starve the government. I only want the FEDERAL Government
      to provide for the common defense.

      State & local governments should only collect taxes and then
      use those taxes locally. The whole idea of sending the feds money
      to spread it around is past it’s time. The more money the feds take the more they spend.

      America would survive & thrive without the Feds trying to control everything.

      • zsmvf6

        if we stop electing mostly lawyers to Congressional office. The Congress should be made of people from diverse backgrounds, not just all one profession (and hence the same educational training, weaknesses, etc.)

        I’d also keep the national lab structure in place.
        Not only does it fund energy research and keeps a lot of those in higher education employed, but it keeps the Russian physicist gainfully employed (as opposed to working for a guy in a turban).

        As far as taxes are concerned, I think that if 10% is good enough for Jesus, it ought to be enough for Uncle Sam.

        • Jim

          …of the U.S. Constitution that permits the Congress to allocate funds to energy research? If we on the right can read the Constitution to permit something like this, then how can we get mad at those on the left when they want to fund programs that they think will be beneficial to society?

          Either we obey the Consitution, cut out the vast majority of spending on the federal level (most of which is blatently unconstitutional), or we concede that we will forever be living under a leviathan government.

          • zsmvf6

            the DOE (and most of the bureaucracy) was in the executive branch. But to answer your question: Article 1, Section 8

            The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States…

            I think that scientific research fits into ‘general welfare’. Granted, the national lab system is more of a GOCO (government owned contractor operated).

            Jim, what spending is unconstitutional? That is a blanket statement that deserves more explanation than is given.

  • Rod_Patrick

    I just don’t know what will be its impact to Obama’s favorite Saez curve.

    If it can significantly lower the annual share of the Top 1% in the national wealth, maybe the socialist Obama will listen to your proposal.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    Right now Obama is trying to figure out how all his massive spending gets paid for. Remember, he said history shows that “tax cuts don’t work.”

    I have business associates working overtime on domiciling corporations in tax friendly places like Switzerland, et al. The beauty of a global market is you can efficiently operate from almost anywhere.

    Obama can dream all he wants about eliminating alleged “tax havens” as a means of punitive tax collection policies. It has been tried before and will not work. How do you fight lower tax rates in other countries? The answer would be to lower your own rate. By the time he figures it out, we will have a Republican majority in Congress.

    • izoneguy

      America will NEVER be able to afford just the spending we have set in motion the last 50 days!!!

      Most of these projects will NEVER be funded (thank God) – because America will default on the bonds we have already sold.

      Companies will decide to hibernate before paying the Feds more than their fare share. And I see that Switzerland is becoming popular for companies to move HQ’s to.

      My aunt is still a Swiss citizen…Hmmm that gives me an idea…..

      • Jim

        Remember, our government (through the Federal Reserve) has the monopoly power to print as much money as it needs. They will pay off those bonds, they will cover your FDIC “insured” deposits, etc. They will just be doing it with worthless monopoly money.

  • Common_Cents

    This goes right to the core differences.

    Left- Government is the answer

    right- Govt is not the answer

    Thinking Obama will reduce government role is like a POW dreaming about a juicy steak. Nice but won’t get you anywhere.

    We gotta break out of jail first, take down the enemy, politically, and then restore things. And…never ever ever forget the lesson we’ve learned how many times now about getting lazy and squandering majorities as well as giving in on spineless Dem compromise.

  • von

    I realize that you didn’t intend to be practical, but there is a good, practical idea here: a payroll tax holiday. Both McConnell and McCain proposed one (no word on the other senators whose names begin with “M”).

    If there’s a second stimulus — and there will be, because the first bill was a grab bag of wasteful spending and tax complications — moderate democrats might go for it if the stars align. The pushback will come from Democrats who rightly fear that it may be difficult to return the payroll tax once it’s gone, thus endangering the present social security system. As one who would like to see social security reform, however, I view it this as a feature, not a bug.

    By the way, a complete tax holiday with a short time horizon is likely to be less stimulative than we’d like, and the grandfathering clause will be a mess. Just think about the potential for abuse by multinationals – one might qualify just by selling assets to a related company and then moving the related company in. (Indeed, a lot of nationals might momentarily become multinationals to do this.) Barring those kinds of abuses, and others, will require lots more money and regulations. Ultimately, I suspect that the provision would do more harm than good.

  • Jim

    Even though there is no means of implement this politically right now, the right need to be emphasizing the spending side of the equation as well. In addition to everything you mention above, there needs to be an equal amount in drastic spending cuts proposed.

    Remember, conservatives used to talk about eliminating entire programs and sectors of the federal government (most of which do not have any Constitutional authority). In this time of Republicans being our of power is the time to aim high (abolish the income tax, social security, depts. of education, commerce, homeland security, etc).

    • Alberta

      This debate about taxes is useless. Tax rates are silly things when they are talked about in an universe that ignores spending.

      The debate should be on spending. If we ‘win’ that debate, we ‘win’ the tax debate.

  • JustLeaveMeAlone

    My partner and I own a small company, and our most of our production is offshore in Europe (no, not Asia!). The quality is better, and the cost is lower, and with the dollar going our way, although gross revenues are down, profits are up.

    HOWEVER, if an idea like this were to be enacted, we’d strongly consider moving production to the USA, especially if there were grandfathering provisions to ensure we wouldn’t get screwed in a few years.

    As things now stand, we are looking for ways to move even more of our assets, revenue stream, and capital offshore — much to our reluctance as Americans. But reality is reality, and we are not in business to be looted.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    a fairly low level of taxation that was frozen at a given rate by a constitutional amendment.

    What markets and firms crave more than anything is a surety of the future. They cannot make plans and invest when they are uncertain of what changes in law the future will bring.

    If firms knew that tax rates would not change, and could not without repealing an amendment, then they could plan and you would see a huge upturn in investment.

  • 6eorge Jetson

    which puts the burden on the operations that stayed here all along.

    Once, I was part of a contest at work that sought to reduce e-mail archive space on the server. The employee that deleted the most archive space won. So what happened after the contest?

    Well, the wise guys figured there would be another contest and so we started building up as much unnecessary space as possible. Do we really want to set the precedent that if you leave the US, you’ll likely be given a payoff to come back?

  • Michael Dugas

    I am a huge advocate of smaller government, states rights, a revamped tax code etc, many of the ideas put forth here. But is it possible? Our government has become this huge organism whose
    organs are made up of the various branches and departments that we are all familiar with. And as such a being it seems to keep growing and keeps demanding more and more to survive and I don’t see an end. Do any of you really think that these people in Washington are going to voluntarily cede power away from their bases? That they will ever ask for less money or less power and control? Has that ever, without violence, actually happened? And I mean the significant change we are talking about here.
    Everyone one of those “organs” strives to justify their existence and positively influence situations regardless of whether that justification or influence is positive for the country as a whole. Everyone of those politicians and departments create situations that require them to “act” whether it’s to create new laws or regulations or mandates, so they have a reason for being.
    Our government has become something so different than what it was supposed to be that the changes we want to make have become drastic and would require members of our government and various departmental entities to cede power and money and influence to achieve them. This would require those in charge to make very unselfish decisions based in an understanding and belief in our constitutional construct and I am of the belief that the majority of those in Washington don’t have it in them.
    I pray daily for someone who will step forward who has the will and the ability to sell these beliefs to the public and to potential future politicians in a way that they will understand and work towards.
    I know that the way I am saying this sounds rather hopeless, I don’t want it to sound that way, but my faith in our representatives is on the brink of being non existent and stupidity seems to be their daily bread. I donate, I email, I call and I shake my head with wonder.

  • ColoJack

    the 50% tax on upper income people is a serious problem with this plan. With such a huge tax rate, what’s the incentive to actually work hard? I’d expect to see a lot of productive people “going Galt” to get their incomes down to below the rate where the tax kicks in. You could try making it progressive, but then why not just have the Bolshevik revolution and get it over with?

    Besides, there are many more poor people than rich people, especially now that Obama’s President. So if you want to fund the government, why not tax them instead? They’re the ones using all these government services anyway, why shouldn’t they pay for them?

    Every idiot, even a Congressman who’s not Barney Frank, knows you get more of what you reward and less of what you punish. If we instituted a 20% tax on people who make minimum wage bagging groceries, wouldn’t that be a pretty strong incentive for them to get better jobs and start being useful members of society?

  • itrytobenice

    I don’t approve of a 50% tax on the rich or any other group for any reason. No one should have to cough up half of what they make to an overreaching bureaucracy.

    There should be no tax on corporations, but all citizens should pay something out of their earnings. And Uncle Sam should be restricted in his spending to no more than about 15% of the GDP. Anything above that and they are just sucking the life blood out of individuals living in this country.

  • liberalrepublican

    This is a bit off subject, but in the tech industry, we would benefit from a loosing of immigration policy as well as a loosening of tax policy.

    Places like India are producing top flight talent and we need to encourage the best and the brightest to work in this country instead of put up road blocks.

    Microsoft has created R&D labs in Canada to address this very issue.

    We need more companies like Microsoft and Google.

  • izoneguy

    That Obama will never listen to people!! He is a Marxist – his goal is to strip America from her capitalistic moorings. What do you think he meant when his mantra was “CHANGE”????

    Once you understand and wrap your head around this then it all makes perfect sense. This is what George Bush did not understand. Obama is not a patriotic wave the flag kinda guy. He envisions himself as a world savior or something. Nothing could be further from the truth. He is Castro on steroids. It would be funny to see if Obama will grow a beard. I think even some democrats are wondering what the have bought here.

    So YES – Obama needs to FAIL and FAIL hard. Once he fails Amercia can get back to work and repair what Obama and the democraps have screwed up.

  • Paul Cella
  • zsmvf6

    The R’s don’t know how to handle being in majority. Perhaps I’m not giving them enough credit, and maybe I’m just a tad cynical.

  • zsmvf6

    So your proposal says that we need

    “a two year tax holiday ? on everything”

    but putting a

    “flat 50% tax on income above some level of wealth”

    What would that level be, exactly, for it to work properly.

    I’m trying to wrap my mind around it; this isn’t snark.

  • robmikpet

    But despite the current economic crisis – and at all times – the US could once again be the beacon of free market capitalism. We have the best workers the greatest technologies. The Left is INTENTIONALLY weakening the country.

    Across the board tax cuts is all it would take. However, ONE TIME tax cuts DO NOT work as well as permanent tax rate reductions.

    Rush Limbaugh has pointed out the key Obama statement from the election. Obama complained the US has only 5% of the population and uses 25% of the natural resources (he does not say produces 25% of the world’s goods and services as the LOGICAL reason of course)

    THAT MEANS HE WANTS THE U.S. POORER AND THAT MEANS THE DESTRUCTION OF THE GREATEST CAPITALIST ECONOMIC ENGINE IN WORLD HISTORY!!

    Is this speculation, no, look at his mentors they all say the same thing and to put it mildy have taught their student well.

  • Paul Cella

    Yeah, that’s rather incoherent on my part.

    The 50% tax above some multiple of middle income would be the only tax during those X years (I’m flexible on the duration) of the window.

  • izoneguy

    and it gave me a headache. Democrats and leftys respond better to plain language. That is part of the problem with the Republican party. Even though we are smarter than democrats – they hate when they feel you are talking down to them. This is why Obama connects with the under and uneducated. They see him as a normal guy (when we know he his not). We need plain english and simple charts. We need to slow down the cryptic language and get back to basics.

  • candoo2

    times, I wonder how this tax break/holiday will assist the millions of Americans that are at this time unemployed due to layoffs. I ask because my wife recently lost her job. My brother, out in WA State was recently laid off by the State where he has worked for 16 years.

    This discussion has nothing to do with how we got here or how we are going to turn things around so these people have jobs in the future. This is about today.

    How does this plan assist hard working conservative Americans that currently are unemployed?

    Please don’t tell me the answer is to not tax their unemployment benefits. Those benefits are far below half of what they were used to making when they were employed. When taking into account the incredible amount of money my bro is spending on COBRA insurance for his family, which is a majority of his unemployment benefits, tax holiday isn’t doing much for him at this time.

    What is the plan to assist these previously hard working Americans beyond tax holiday?

  • liberalrepublican

    If companies didn’t have the tax burden, they would hire more.

    If more people were hired, they would buy more which would cause companies to hire more. Which would lead to more people spending their pay which would lead to companies making more money and paying hire wages which would lead to more spending…

    Rinse and Repeat.

  • Aaron Gardner

    Workers get tax break = have more to spend = production increase to match demand + business tax break = more jobs = more workers = more net gain for the Treasury while still keeping taxes low + more workers = more consumption = more production….this is how free markets work.

  • JustLeaveMeAlone

    It isn’t a check each week to them right now, no.

    (And I’ve been in your wife’s position — only I didn’t have a working spouse.)

    When you are unemployed, your job — your only job — is to find work. You can either do that by applying for job openings at existing companies or by creating your own job as an entrepreneur.

    If business owners don’t have to pay as much in taxes, they can afford to hire more workers — i.e., more jobs available to employ the unemployed. It’s that simple. I don’t know of a single small business that’s saying “gee, we have too much help.” Heck, my business needs help. But right now, I’m not hiring. Why? It isn’t fear of lack of revenue. It’s fear of higher corporate taxes. The mere election of Obama froze our plans for hiring three workers last fall. And we haven’t hired anyone since.

    The same applies to someone staring their own company/job. That’s what I did when I was laid off in 2001. I looked for over six months (for a job like the one I had), then said screw this and got to work making my own job. Negotiating through various regulations and taxes for businesses can be tricky, however, and higher business taxes will hurt those newly minted entrepreneurs trying to get something started.

    One final thought — a lower US corporate tax rate would cause companies such as mine to move production into the USA from abroad. That would also create jobs very quickly. I know if a plan such as this were passed tomorrow, my business would likely be hiring within a few weeks at most.

  • Paul Cella

    Democrats and leftys respond better to plain language.

    That may be true, but I am talking to Conservatives.

  • candoo2

    However it does not help those out of work at this time.

    Once again. How does this help the millions of laid off workers in America right now? Their problems are not to be dismissed here.

    Let me spell it out again. See above. Now add this.

    A tax holiday will not create enough jobs this week or next week or six months from now to benefit our brothers and sisters that have busted their humps for many years to buy the dream. The American dream. What do they do in the meantime?

    Seriously, we need to answer this question and we are golden! Platitudes and discussions about how less taxes equal more jobs isn’t cutting it in real America today.

    Everyone. How do we help those that busted hump forever, and need help now? The answer isn’t tax holiday. What is it?

  • Jim

    …but your framework is fundamentally Keyensain in nature, which presupposes that it is spending that drives an economy. In reality, it is the presence of capital and savings that lays the groundwork for a healthy economy. The last few years have shown us that all the deficit spending in the world (by individuals, companies, and governements) does not make the economy healthy, it just creates an artifical bubble. Vice President Cheney was absolutely wrong when he said deficits don’t matter. Consumption does not drive an economy, but rather production of goods and services that can be traded and sold on the market.

    For a long time I have been bothered with this arguement that if we lower taxes it will generate more revenue to the Treasury. I don’t want more revenue going to the Treasury! And besides, that lays the groundwork for an “ideal” tax rate (predicted by the Laffer curve). From an ideological standppoint, that paints conservatives into a corner. We should not be aruging how to maximize revenues going to the governement with an ideal tax rate, but rather targeting the abolition of the income tax as the end goal.

  • Aaron Gardner

    I am not calling for govt spending in order to create economic prosperity, I am defending the effects of what this tax holiday would bring. I didn’t cover everything, merely the consumer side. The point is that the same formula can be applied to all sectors of the economy, not just those driven by consumption.

    As far as finding the “ideal tax” rate as predicted by the laffer curve and increasing the net revenue of the nation, I still don’t see that as a problem since, even as a conservative, there are legitimate expenses of the govt. Additionall if we have a surplus our credit is better and we will hold more prominence in the world. I am ok with this.

    I can live in a bubble burst environment with regular recessions and market corrections, what I don’t want to live in is the current mess of intervention by the govt into the workings of the free market.

    Consumption Production Supply Demand these are the basics of all economies, the less we interfere the better but some structure will always be there in one way or another. To me to think otherwise is to delude yourself. No offense, I mean I wish we could have a completely free market, but it doesn’t lend itself to long life when opposed by the fallen nature of man.

  • candoo2

    and my response, I hope, will not offend.

    I am asking for an answer to my original question.

    Jim, I would love to sit around and have an adult drink with you and discuss this, as you have the jist of the issue. However, I asked a question above.
    My premise that we conservatives would be GOLDEN is still in play if we can answer that question.

    I am coming to you all from a position of dealing with what is really happening in the economy.

    I will ask again in CAPITALS so y’all see them.

    WHAT DO WE DO TO HELP THE MILLIONS OF WORKING AMERICANS THAT HAVE BEEN LAID OFF AND WOULD NOT MUCH BENEFIT FROM A TAX HOLIDAY IN THE NEAR FUTURE?

    Anyone? Cause I’m out of answers for once.

  • DONTREADONME

    I am sorry to have to tell you this but your wife will continue to be unemployed for some time to come if you wait on the Government to do something about it. We can not do anything for your situation, we can not, Do I really have to be this mean in responding to your situation? No, but life sucks sometimes. Government chose to use money that they do not have to create jobs that will not exist for a year or two to come, if you think Gov can fix this immediately for you then your understanding of how fast the bureacracy works is limited.

    Again, your individual situation sucks, but unless you do something for yourself that is move to locations that have jobs you will sit at Redstate complaining about woe is me. Remember, 8% are in the same situation you are

    The current problem will not resolve itself anytime soon, 8.1% unemployment does not go away over night. So the question is how do you give the economy a shot in the arm to turn it around. You do not do it through Government spending, Why? because Government spending dilutes the money unless it is taken from those that earn it. Tax payers earn there money thus assigning value to it, Government does not tell us it is worth something, we do. We produce and it is represented by the dollar given to us in return; therefore, keeping more of your money gives you more earned money to spend and immediately. If I had some extra cash right now, I would hire a landscaper, new shingles, fix my vehicle, etc. I am serious, I have a lot to do around the house but I am not spending anything because this economy is on dangerous footing at the current time and I am saving until stability is returned. As soon as I start spending again, jobs will come back, high paying jobs not the road construction that Government proposes.

  • Jim

    If you are asking what “we” can do in terms of government policy, then there really is nothing the government can do expect get out of the way of the market. The market is currently is in a correction mode, which fundamentally is a good thing. It was the artificial sugar high of the last few years where all the damage in the economy was actually done (all the malinvestments). Although there are very bad things that go along with that (like unemployment) it is a neccesary cleansing of all the mis-allocated resources of the past few years. There are good things that happen in a depression as well, like prices coming way down. This helps the poor and unemployed by making it more manageable to get by until employment is found. Unfortunately all we hear out of Washington is that we need to keep prices up for some crazy reason.

    Look back at the depression of 1920 (ever hear of that one?), when Warren G. Harding basically cut taxes and spending (a very hands-off approach) and then went off to get drunk, play poker, and chase women. The economy bounced back very quickly. Compare that to Hoover and FDR, who both threw everything but the kitchen sink at the economy, and we did not recover until after WWII.

    Fundamentally the government can do nothing positive to help the situaiton. The best thing it could do is cut taxes, cut spending, cut regulation, stop artificially manipulating interest rates, and stop increasing the money supply. We would go through a tough year or two, but on the backside we would have a firm foundaiton to build on. Unfortunately, with this stimulus and all the other scams being promoted by the government they are simply trying to re-inflate the bubble of the last few years. If they are successful, they will only be delaying the inevitable crash, which would only be that much worse.

  • mom2oneson

    doesn’t mean you don’t benefit from a tax cut for higher earners or corprations. That doesn’t even make sense. They are looking for public assistance if they think like that, not a way to improve the economy. What it does to the economy will help everyone.
    I know the job answer too. They can find a job. I just came home from the grocery store and they had managers filling in as baggers with 4 huge it’s a great place to work here signs. Collection agencies are booming right now too..they can find a collection agency and get on the phone. They can take a 1 day CPR and a 2 week nursing assistant class and put an ad on Cragistlist that they do elder care.. If they are dependable they will have unlimited work. They can put an ad on Craigslist for anything, clerical work, moving help, help with errands, pet care, tutoring, grocry shopping & cooking, cleaning, etc. . They can find a job there or contract themself out. I’m sure it’s easier with a skill but I am unskilled and I’ve always been able to find work. There are always people that get sick and the supervisor needs it to done so they will hire temp person to do it when the person is out for a few days. Get a cheap cell phone, pay for a business license and give their # out to some administrative assistants for temp help. They can call around to hopstial medical record directors and see if they need help with filing or release of information on the weekends. They just have to be willing to look for work, even unskilled there is plenty out there. The fast food places around here are absolutely packed, I’m sure they are hiring too, especially for closers since teens usually can’t work that late.

  • http://www.realityunwound.com realityunwound

    I like the tax holiday idea. Louie Gohmert (I think) put that idea forth before the new year, and I thought it made a lot of sense.

    The question I ask… won’t 50% on the wealthiest of the wealthy end up being punitive on the wealth/job creators? I want to encourage the smartest, best, most successful, and I think you do too, so help me see what I’m missing.

    Interestingly enough, there’s a great book called Contrarians Guide To Leadership by Stephen Sample (USC president) who advocates a principle just like yours to break through barriers. He calls it, thinking free, only he takes it to the point of saying, “think to the point of absurdity.” The answers you come up to wont’ solve the problems, but they’ll get you past the mental barriers and into a workable solution. Great stuff.

  • http://www.realityunwound.com realityunwound

    n/t

  • DONTREADONME

    I am sorry for situation, been in your spot when the economy was in overdrive back before the Democrats took the house and senate. It sucked and nothing they did fixed my situation but I knew with my education I would find something else. Plus that is why I saved for times like these. Again, I can sympathize with your situation but when you do not work tax cuts on income will not help you very much; however, cut all taxes and your ability to purchase goods services and property taxes would better; however, I disagree with the above to the full extent of his proposition, but I do not see anything better to solve this stagnating economy other then tax cuts. The alternative is to give a huge amount of Power to Obama and the Federal Government which we just did. That most certainly is the worst thing the electorate could of ever let happen.

  • Jim

    …are not really tax cuts. If the government needs to borrow money (mostly from China & Japan) or print money in order to cover the funding shortfalls, we still pay for it, only in more hidden and less obvious ways. Our children and our children’s chiildren will be paying off all the debt this country has racked up, and people’s savings will be eroded by a continually declining dollar (which has lost ~95% of its value since 1913).

    Your statement that “As far as finding the ?ideal tax? rate as predicted by the laffer curve and increasing the net revenue of the nation, I still don?t see that as a problem…” You have just conceded the point that the government has the right to confiscate your income at a rate that no one in government can agree upon. If we concede this point, then we forever be fighting the battle of “should we have 36% income tax rate or a 39% income tax rate.” I say we need to ideologically, fundamentally take the stand that the government has NO RIGHT to confiscate ONE CENT of our income. The government can be more than adequately funded (within its prescribed Constitutional limits, which is much, much less than where we are today) through other means.

    I argue that this country became the most powerful economy on the planet during the period when we had no income tax, no central bank, no capital gains taxes, less regulation, etc. As the federal government grew by unprecidented ways during the 20th century (with the institution of the income tax and the Federal Reserve), our economy has grown weaker and weaker to the point that we are going to be outperformed by Asia in a couple years if we don’t change course.

  • pilgrim

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  • Uma Richie

    You ALWAYS have a slew of concrete suggestions to counter every sob story meant to convince us to support some gov’t program.

  • JustLeaveMeAlone

    Anyone who doesn’t hire you is nuts. People can be trained to a skill or educated, but you can’t give them a good attitude and work ethic. It’s priceless.

  • whatifidontwanna

    If you’re a mom, you are far from unskilled. You’re a nurse, a chef, a cleaner, an accountant, a teacher.

    The list is endless.

  • mom2oneson

    Y’all ;) are sweet!!! :)

  • liberalrepublican

    You said:

    “I am unskilled and I?ve always been able to find work. ”

    I’ve read a few things you have written and personally, I believe you have been blessed with an amazing attitude.

    And that is the best skill to possess.

    I hope you recognize how special you are…

  • itrytobenice

    And you are obviously a good woman. Way to go!!!!

  • Aaron Gardner

    The question wasn’t what is your ideal economic situation for the country, it was how can we restore the hamiltonian economic model.

    In essence we are in agreement.

    As far as candoo’s question the only answer is that their will be temporary pain but it would be less then the permanent state of mediocrity offered by the left.

    The free market will excel…if allowed.

  • mom2oneson
  • izoneguy

    But we need to also talk to the leftys. This is the part Conservatives seem to miss. We have to get through the thick skulls of the leftys in order to make a difference. They don’t get it sometimes. They feel as if conservatives are out to get them or rip them off. When in actuality it is the other way around. So yes please speak to conservatives but remember the real issue is to get a fair percentage of leftys to turn.

  • mom2oneson