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My attempt to persuade you to vote for/support Rick Perry… Your opportunity to show me where I’m wrong in my thinking…

I have consistently supported and continue to support Rick Perry in his candidacy for President of the United States of America.

I could bore you to death with details about Rick Perry’s personal life, and try to win you over on his good Christian nature, and his good neighborly demeanor. I’m not going to do that.

I could attempt to defend his debate performances by reminding you that every candidate suffers fatigue on the campaign trail, but his moment just happened to be televised. Even if he dealt with the media storm with candid humor and refreshing honesty, acknowledging that argument would be a concession that weighing a candidate on these over-hyped media matters, well matter… but I won’t… because they don’t.

I could rattle on about the EXEMPLARY record that Gov. Perry had with a conservative legislature, but he’s not running for President of the United State of Texas. So I won’t bother you with the details of how awesome he is at executive leadership in government.

No, I’m not going to open this diary up to ad hominem attacks on his character, demeanor, or supposed gaffe-ability. (Which might I say, if this is what you have against him your case is weak, good luck voting for the right haircut). Yes, I’m ignoring anything that may be considered a misstep by his campaign, every campaign has them, so far, Perry’s campaign has had very little if any that may be construed as significant.

A word concerning the other candidates



My support for Rick Perry does not have to exclude my pseudo-support for conservatives in general. I see nothing wrong with complimenting another candidate or their campaign for presenting a bold idea, or making an excellent point. I don’t think I need to go on about the negatives of other candidates to persuade others to support my favored candidate. I really don’t want to support someone because of “what they are not”… but rather “what they stand for”.

So I’m not interested in hearing endless putdowns of Perry or any other candidate for things that are negative or perceived negative. If you attempt to ask me why I don’t support your alternative to Rick Perry, try to imagine if you will, that it is because I think Rick Perry is the better candidate, rather than assuming I’m just not aware of Rick Perry’s negatives in comparison to your candidate’s negatives. I have and will defend any candidate when they are being inappropriately attacked. That doesn’t mean I don’t support Rick Perry. It just means that I don’t like seeing people that I agree with much of the time attacked for things that are simply pejorative and/or juvenile.

A word concerning the current climate



It is my opinion that society continues to become more and more impatient, as well as less and less civil, more and more judgmental, and less and less accurate in analysis. Primarily because we want answers now. We want instant results. We don’t want to be considered losers. We’re not experienced enough in dealing with the ambiguity with which technology has flooded our daily lives with information overload. The reason muckraking negativity, and bias goes unanswered is we are too disingenuous to provide the target an opportunity to provide an explanation, and we’re wont to accept any explanation because we are cynical. If I may offer quick analysis of our current primary climate. The base of the GOP (which is primarily conservative) is looking for the Anti-Romney, but this same base has either 1) been tossed about to and fro with every wind of doctrine or rumor, having no foundation, and therefore have become proverbial lemmings of the front-running Anti-Romney… or 2) The Polls are wrong, and they’re not asking the right questions to elicit the accurate temperature in the room of the base… or 3) The base is quickly becoming divided and the coalition is pulling in 3 different directions regarding their #1 issue (whatever that may be). Which way are you leaning? Economy? Security? Social Issues? That’s rhetorical of course.

A word concerning the general election



Mark my words, the general election will not be fairly covered by the Media. If you think your candidate of choice will win the general election because they will look good in comparison to Obama during debates, or through attack ads, or while the Media does routine anal probes of every 3rd cousin of the nominee, and anyone that has ever known the candidate personally (that can be documented by photo, preferably time stamped)… will come off better than the other conservative candidates in the race… you’re OUT YO DAMNED MIND!! {So can we dispense with the arguments that the candidate is “photogenic”, “well spoken”, “good debator”, etc?}. The reality is no election was ever won without TURNING OUT THE BASE IN OUTSTANDING ATTENDANCE DUE TO EXCITABILITY OR ABSOLUTE ANGER towards the opposition. When the base turns out in record numbers… so too comes everyone else that wants to be a part of the generated hype of the 4 year event known as Election time. So please… stop causing a malaise on the other conservative candidates… you’re giving the Media the narrative that they want. Look if you want to repent for breaking the 11th commandment… here’s a suggestion. For every dollar you give to your candidate of choice, turn around and give a penny to the other candidate you trashed. (kind of like a swear jar).

Now Please, allow me to now persuade you to vote/support Perry.



I am pragmatic when it comes to politics. I don’t believe Politics, Policy, or Governments in general are capable of solving all or in some cases the majority of the problems in our society. The cost-benefit of having a government is to maintain a rule of law for society, and for the protection of its citizens under that rule of law. Otherwise, yes, I do believe most problems could be resolved at the most local of all levels, the individual. In these United States, we have espoused to unite under the rule of law, and the rule of law was meant to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The Constitution binds us together in defense of that cause. If the individual can not resolve a particular issue on their own accord, let them rely on Family, Friends, Societal Associates, Municipalities, Counties, the State, and then maybe the Federal Government. As such the Federal Government should not be the go-to for solving our economic, social, or security problems outside the limited scope of enumerated powers, and separation of said powers that the rule of law (the constitution) has provided.

Therefore what?


I have determined that Rick Perry is the only candidate to date that seems to propose ideas that relates to the above paragraph most consistently.




Allow me to expound



Look, I’m not going to re-write the candidate’s plans here for some lame compare and contrast. However Let me discuss some of my observations about what is important and urgent for citizens of the United States to address, and then I’ll link to the candidate’s websites so you can compare and contrast how their platforms address these issues.

It’s the Economy Stupid

The theme of the general election so far is “It’s the Economy Stupid pt. 2″. This is a gross understatement of where our Republic currently stands. We have a weak economy right now to be sure. It is the most penetrating issue that seems to be universal for all Americans. However the very real and sometimes not so perceived problems our Republic is facing is always one generation away from a slide into tyranny.

No, It’s the Spending Stupid

The Economy’s under-performance is the consequence of an ever expanding Federal Government and its exponential spending. Government’s excessive spending can be directly tied to EVERY idiotic policy that the Federal Government enforces, endorses, or espouses.

I believe that no amount of tax reform, jobs plan that involves new markets, old markets, and reduction in regulations of those markets, and the total repeal of Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, and Sarbanes Oxley will ever be enough to “jump start” the economy or fix the fundamental problems that our country faces, although these actions would go a long ways towards jobs growth and getting back to where we were.

I have gone on at length regarding this in another POST. An excerpt:

Paucity vs. Prosperity

There is nothing more uncertain in the World Economy among money aggregates than the ability to make good on debts, which provides an environment where investment is not halted by fear of meddling aristocrats and evil projections of total egalitarian or utopian civilizations at the expense of LIBERTY through Class Warfare and division. Throwing aside the doctrine of Sovereign Immunity, or non-statutory procedural rules that precludes the actions of any Congress from binding the actions of another Congress in meeting obligations, we should recognize that what establishes the full faith and credit of the United States and its people in the world; is that we meet our obligations, we grow and prosper like no other nation in the world, and provide more opportunities for growth and prosperity to investors like no other nation in the world.

Adjusting the Tax Code may assist, Eliminating the complexity of the Tax code would be quite effective in binding the powers of Congress that leads to crony capitalism, pork barrel projects, and regulation that drowns the competitiveness of our markets. However there are always unintended consequences to consider in removing a monolithic malignant growth from the integrity of our Federal Government’s officers in charge of the purse. Undoubtedly [tax reform...]* will reduce the ability for Congress to not only manipulate how revenues are collected, in order to benefit lobbying firms and their clients, it does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to [resolve the problem of]* how our Federal Government justifies double accounting ponzi schemes and borrow and spend tactics that benefit lobbyists and their clients with preferred loans or grants to waste and swindle the “FUTURITY” of our children and grandchildren.

*edited for context
emphasis added

The Economy and our prosperity will hinge on the reigning in of not only government spending, but the ability to manipulate where the spending goes. I believe Rick Perry answers the core of these issues better than any other candidate.

Conclusion



Rick Perry has consistently walked the walk and talked the talk on reducing the size of government, reigning in spending, growing jobs, and building opportunities and has embraced all other national issues from a small government perspective giving the states the power while maintaining a STRONG pro-life record, and making the MOST SENSIBLE Security argument ever regarding zero-based budgeting on foreign aid which should put the fear of God in both our friends and foes that have been given a lot of free lunches for real and *supposed* loyalties.

And he’s done all of this, providing us a track record to compare the rhetoric to the record, while sitting as a 3 term Executive leader in the office of Governor in the state of Texas.

Where does your favored candidate stand?

See for yourself:
Rick Perry – Cut, Balance, and Grow Plan

Herman Cain – Full Policy Proposal Doc

Newt Gingrich – Jobs and Economy

Mitt Romney – Believe in America

Ron Paul – Plan to Restore America

Jon Hunstman Jr. – Jobs and Economy

Michele Bachmann – Generating Jobs and Growth

Rick Santorum – Can’t find nothing but this

[Update - I added Jon Huntsman's link... it was my *oops moment... just forgot him I guess :) ]

COMMENTS

  • daveoconnor

    You point out the importance of turning out the base in the general election and I completely agree.
    That’s one reason Rick Perry is not my first choice. Gallop shows Perry has high voter recognition, just a few points sourth of Romney.Yet his “intensity score” is zero. That’s right zero. And this is based on rolling surveys through 11/15.
    No GOP candidate has yet soared as high as Perry has in Gallop. He was alone at the top. Then his numbers plunged to where they now stand.
    Perry may do better in the future. Fine. But right now the evidence we have, not opinion, but carefully cullled statistical evidence gathered by a well-respected organization tells us Gov Perry does not enjoy wide support and currently generates no positive voter intensity.

    • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

      others say “Did you even read the diary”?

      But clearly while you’re going on about “voter intensity” you’re ignoring the difference between voting your conscience and trying to get by…

      I really don?t want to support someone because of ?what they are not?? but rather ?what they stand for?.

      So I?m not interested in hearing endless putdowns of Perry or any other candidate for things that are negative or perceived negative. If you attempt to ask me why I don?t support your alternative to Rick Perry, try to imagine if you will, that it is because I think Rick Perry is the better candidate, rather than assuming I?m just not aware of Rick Perry?s negatives in comparison to your candidate?s negatives.

      Your “intensity score” is completely moot… it doesn’t answer anything I covered… and you’re also ignoring the volatility of polling… and ultimately your argument doesn’t dissuade my allegiance.

      If you put more weight in “polling” to choose your candidate, then you may as well embrace Obama right?

      Would you like to try again?

      • daveoconnor

        You ask for responses. I give you one. Not based on personality or ad hominen and you get upset. The intensity score is only moot if you ignore political reality. I was responding to your point about voter turn out. I did read your post and responded specifically to it. Your title indicated you wanted feedback, but you like some, not all Perry supporters on this site can’t take any feedback that involves the present circumstances of your man. His polling indicates he doesn’t resonate with voters. Got that? Not my opinion. It’s a present fact. You don’t like it. Fine. But whether you like it or not doesn’t matter. Right now the base doesn’t share your enthusiasm. If you want to ignore that ok, but don’t pretend you want feedback when you want agreement.

        • iidvbii

          sincere discussion about the candidates on their merits. Your response really doesn’t describe why you “believe” another candidate is better. Your point seems to be Perry is losing the present popularity contest and therefore you won’t support him. Very enlightened selection process you have there. So why even participate in the primary? Just wait around for the general and pull the (R) lever. Seem mindless enough for you? Of course that also provides the rest of us the added benefit of the absence of your snarky comments you try to pass of as wit.

        • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

          I responded directly to your comment.

          Your “facts” are volatile.

          In the mean time would you care to debate me on the merits of your favored candidate’s economic plan?

          Would you care to debate me on any of the assertions I made in the diary, rather than taking them out of context?

          I’m not looking to make you angry… but you have to admit that your first comment was really off topic… wasn’t it?

      • booboola7896

        Unfortunately there is no way to screen for paid stooges, but I hope the visitors to RedState will not fall for this attempt at mind control. It is impossible to notice the avalanche of Perry posts on this site, so much so that RedState is no longer my default GOP blog.

        RedState used to be a great forum for anyone that had a conservative opinion and was willing to debate, but it is now turning into a campaign vehicle for the Perry camp. If I wanted to read how great he is and walks on water, I would have visited Perry’s Facebook page.

        • http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

          Seriously, are you gonna post this BS on every Pro-Perry post? I’m not even planning to vote for the guy, and you’re starting to annoy -me-.

          Do you have any evidence that the poster is a Perry Staffer? I mean, it’s a pretty hefty accusation. Put up or shut up, because you sound like an idiot.

          • nathanalbright

            And the author is clearly an anti-Perry troll. I wonder how long it will take for boobola to get zapped.

          • Bill S

            .

          • nathanalbright

            That didn’t take long at all.

        • bzip

          booboola7896 – you need to stop spreading lies without evidence or any proof. Either back up your claims or look like a fool,

          • westcoastpatriette

            blowing himself up to make a point. Surely, he/she will succeed and eliminate himself/herself from RS today.

          • changeforrickperry

            who owe a debt of gratitude to Perry for all he’s done for us. You may not want to vote for him, but you should at least respect him for his many kindnesses to our state.

          • changeforrickperry

            But could also be from New Orleans. Either way would explain a lot. It is embarrassing either way. Thanks for the ban, Neil. The world is now a better place to be.

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          Spamming candi-bots *don’t* crack me up.

        • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

          Not that people believed you anyway… but GOOD Heavens… that’s quite a charge. I suppose you have emails or something to back that up? Maybe a paystub? Bank account deposit slips?

          For your information, this is the first “pro-candidate” POST I’ve ever made at Redstate since I joined in 2008… and I get called out as a staffer for a campaign… I suppose I could take that as compliment.

          Oh well… I’ve been accused of worse.

          • rickperryreport

            Justin– They accuse me all the time of being a paid staffer for Perry. I am not. In fact, Perry is MY paid staffer, because so far I have donated $200 to his campaign (-; So he works for me. That’s the way I see it!

            I know you’re not a paid staffer because the Perry folks have way too much things to do that engage in futile arguments with anonymous wackos on the Internet.

            But I digress.

            Great post. A little long, but you poured your heart into it! I need to write my own missive like this too.

            It’s important to stress that Perry has run a very well-oiled machine in the Texas governor’s office. The staffing and ideas coming out of there are top shelf.

            The Obama White House is amateur hour in comparison.

            We need an effective leader of large organizations. Perry is the one who has proven to be an EXCELLENT administrator, team builder, and leader.

            Compare and contrast the way the Texas governor’s office is run today to say, the office of the Speaker of the House, circa 1998.

            Just sayin’

            Joe @ Rick Perry Report

    • sunshinek67

      Do you believe everything you hear in Frank Luntz’s focus groups?

      Even when Perry came in to the race and rose to meteoric highs I, a firm staunch Perry supporter, knew it was a superficial bubble. Not from anything that he did or said, just knowledge that he hadn’t been “vetted”. Past statements, past policies would invariably go under scrutiny and skewed creating negative press. Plus, he is a conservative and that sends the media monsters into a tailspin.

      Regardless of where his poll position is, I am always suspect. After exit polling in 2000 created a false scenario that Bush was losing in a landslide to Gore, affecting thousands of votes in the western Florida panhandle, I have lost all confidence in the media agenda and what it spews on any given day, unless I have proof. The only proof of intensity scores you will have at this point Mr. Dave, is the day of voting.

      • Right_Again

        are more in touch with reality than many posters on RedState.

        Perry first had to make himself appealing to a wide swath of GOP voters, at which, he failed miserably. He had his chances and continually disappointed.

        You and the many Perry supporters on RedState come here to convince yourselves that he still has a lot of support. He does. On RedState. Woohoo.

        He is down way down in EVERY poll and nearly not showing up on Intrade (3.3%). The chances of a major Perry comeback are getting slimmer every day. We’ve seen him in action and are not impressed.

        • greyeagle

          Polls and focus groups are simply a very small snapshot of what voters think. I have seen too many elections come and go to put very much stock in any of them. These so called debates run by liberal moderators are another example of wasted time. I prefer to listen to speeches, look at the candidates proposals and make a decision. Now as to Perry, I am from TX and have seen first hand his governing skills and what he stands for. I have voted for him 3 times and will vote for him in the Primary again. Now as to why he is down Constant media attacks, Cain, Paul, and Romney supporters on various conservative websites that have been constantly trashing him since he entered the campaign. Perry is a staunch conservative, pro-life, pro-military, smaller government, pro-israel, states rights, constitution, Christian, and other conservative values. All of these things are important to me. Sure, he had 3 poor debates, but those things are worthless. He has by fair the best jobs plan, and most of all he has a proven tract record. I ignore polls, because they have been wrong over and over. They may be in this case as well.

          • Right_Again

            but he hasn’t earned my support. While all you say about him might be true, he isn’t running this campaign as though he has any interest in winning it. I’m not alone in feeling this way about him.

            He had plenty of chances and plently of reasons to still be leading the pack today. He is far from being alone in being attacked by the media and the other candidates. However, those things did not bring about his downfall. His performances, not just in the debates, but overall, have removed him from being a serious contender.

            Last presidential election if you regularly read RedState you would have been sure that Fred Thompson would be our candidate. This election it’s Perry. The fizzle will be the same this time.

            I really think we’re down to Romney or Gingrich.

          • cheetah2

            a candidate if that individual has not earned your support?

            I support Rick Perry because he HAS earned my support based on his record and his plans to get the government out of the way of job creation, reform the tax code, open up our domestic energy sources, and reform Washington DC.

            He has earned my support by being the only candidate who consistently acts according to his strongly held conservative principles.

            He has earned my support by having substantially more executive experience than any one else running, including President Obama.

            I do not base my support of a candidate on how he is doing in the polls. I do take the polls seriously, but the polls are not going to cause me to jump to any of the other candidates because in my view the other candidates are all inferior to Rick Perry based on the reasons I gave above.

            I would dispute your statement that Rick Perry does not display an interest in winning. He is in fact waging a spirited and resourceful battle to get back in the race after some costly mistakes were made.

            I would also be interested to know what performances aside from his debate failures have “removed him from being a serious contender”.

            With the exception of underestimating the importance of the debates and getting into the race too late, the Perry campaign has been managed extremely well.

            Perry has worked hard, hired competent staff, and developed good ground forces in the early states. He did better that anyone else in fundraising during the last quarter. It is precisely because of these reasons that he has lived to fight another day.

  • williamjameson

    record. Too many are being hoodwinked by the constant media psychological conditioning that only Romney can win and that he’s the establishment choice. Fact is the so called establishment do not decide for voters so the sucker games the media play do not work as well as they used too.

    Romney is not gaining traction in the polls just like 2008 and its going to stay that way. Therefore voters should shift the support away from someone who will lose to Obama. People want change not a trojan horse like Romney.

    Anyone who thinks Perry is dumb is someone easily hoodwinked into thinking the MA governor who was ranked 47th in job creation in an up economy is a better choice is clearly an all day sucker.

    • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

      “Fact is the so called establishment do not decide for voters so the sucker games the media play do not work as well as they used too. “

      I don’t want to underestimate the MSM, but I do believe that their tinkering with the flimsy-hearted conservatives in the anti-Romney camp will end up biting them hard this election cycle regardless of the outcome.

      There will be an unprecedented distrust on the part of any right of center voter, to the point that nothing will deter them from supporting the nominee. Nothing could bring the coalition together faster than love for the nominee, or ANGER for the opposition.

  • acat

    Perry seems to be the only one who wants it to be a joke again.

    Mew

    • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

      no text.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    I don’t really disagree with anything you’ve said here. My problem is, Perry hasn’t been able to sell it, when he should easily be able to based on his experience, past performance, and future plans.

    If he can’t sell it in the Primary, even to voters like me who want to support him., I’m having a hard time seeing how he’ll sell it in the General. I want to support him enough that I still remain undecided after being a former Pawlenty supporter.

    • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

      that he could dismantle Freddies in DC?

      • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

        There’s things I like about him, and things I don’t. The only thing I don’t question about Newt is his ability to sell himself and his plans. Honestly, I think I’d like much of what he does, but based on his history there’s likely to be something every once in awhile that would just make me want to scream. I also worry that he has some “McCain” in him, in that it’s important for him to believe people like him, and could very well change his position on some things due to that.

        So I’m left with,

        1. Perry. Great product, terrible marketing.
        2. Gingrich. Good and bad product, great marketing.
        3. Romney. Unknown product (subject to change without notice), so-so marketing.

        I’m still hoping this changes before election day.

        • mom2oneson

          nt

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            I’d like to take a look at that.

          • mom2oneson

            The liberal critics of him were correct to jump on him. Guiliani implemented some of the ideas although he couldn’t dissolve AFDC/ TANF for teens thank goodness. It’s not ALL on Newt the entire child welfare system is corrupt and the fed funding of it & awarding states for the numbers of adoptions fuels it.
            His lack of seeing the mother -child bond and the great value of that is frightening – that isn’t something that is dependent on the age of the mother or her socioeconomic status.

      • pttx333

        and that is zero. Not that he can’t whip out some zingers and say things right on cue, BUT that is not what a president does. Uh uh – no Newt for me. Hush money from Freddie is just another biggie for his pile of trash he leaves in his wake wherever he goes.

      • nathanalbright

        …because I’d believe he would take the hush money from them to fund his wife’s Tiffany’s shopping trips or a luxuriant lifestyle.

      • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

        Hush money would indicate Newt was on the inside or had dirt to spill and didn’t…

        He says it was consulting fees… of course I want to see more of just exactly what Newt consulted on…

        But its not like Newt was “the cleaner” that covered up evidence on the forthcoming bubble….

        • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

          It appears that Fannie and Freddie paid Dems to lobby for them and Repubs to simply not lobby against them. That’s what it looks like.

          • nathanalbright

            …at least to these cynical eyes.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            a few hours after becoming Speaker …from ann c…

            In addition to having an affair in the middle of Clinton’s impeachment; apologizing to Jesse Jackson on behalf of J.C. Watts — one of two black Republicans then in Congress ?- for having criticized “poverty pimps,” and then inviting Jackson to a State of the Union address; cutting a global warming commercial with Nancy Pelosi; supporting George Soros’ candidate Dede Scozzafava in a congressional special election; appearing in public with the Rev. Al Sharpton to promote nonspecific education reform; and calling Paul Ryan’s plan to save Social Security “right-wing social engineering,” we found out this week that Gingrich was a recipient of Freddie Mac political money.

            (Even I will admit, however, that Newt was great when he was chairman of GOPAC back in the ’90s with Gay Gaines at the helm.)

            Although Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — the institutions most responsible for the nation’s current financial crisis — were almost entirely Democratic cash cows, they managed to dirty up enough Republicans to make it seem like bipartisan corruption.

            Democrats sucked hundreds of millions of dollars out of these institutions: Franklin Raines, $90 million; Jamie Gorelick, $26.4 million; Jim Johnson, $20 million.

            By contrast, Republicans came cheap. For the amazingly good price of only $300,000 apiece, Fannie and Freddie bought the good will of former Reps. Vin Weber, R-Minn., Susan Molinari, R-N.Y., and Newt Gingrich, R-Ga.* Former Sen. Alfonse D’Amato, R-N.Y., was even cheaper at $240,000.

            [*Correction: After Gingrich admitted last week to receiving $300,000 from Freddie, we found out this week that it was actually closer to $1.6 million.]

            So now conservatives shy away from denouncing these crooked organizations for fear of running into Vin Weber at a cocktail party.

            Sorry, guys — on the plus side, you’re millionaires, but on the downside, you’ve earned the contempt of your fellow man.

            http://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2011/11/16/if_not_romney,_who_if_not_now,_when

          • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

            Newt isn’t the best hope of the conservative class. ;)

    • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

      Either Perry is 3 term real deal… or he isn’t… either way none of the other candidates have a record to compare with maybe exception to Huntsman… but records and rhetoric have to fit…

      What does Governor Perry need to sell you?

      • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

        I acknowledged his record, his experience, and his plans. All good. Got that? I like it. But he’s not selling it. He’s a marketing disaster. I think he must’ve worked for HP’s marketing department* before.

        Before I fully support a candidate, I want to know that he can sell himself and his plan on the grand stage. It doesn’t matter if he’s the greatest candidate in the world, if nobody’s buying it won’t matter. If he can’t convince the voters that he’s a better option than Obama, then we’re all just wasting our time.

        Good grief, the most important issue facing the voters right now is jobs. There’s been nobody better at enabling job creation than Rick Perry. Yet, he seems to be talking about everything but jobs. It seems to me that marketing him would be simple, but what do I know? I’m just your average Republican voter.

        You might want to ignore the fact that he’s polling in single digits with Republican Primary Voters, but I’m not willing to do that. There’s more to running than having the right package. You have to be able to sell it. This is part of the criteria I use to decide.

        To answer your final question, Perry has to sell to me that he can sell himself. If he does, I’m sure I’ll jump in. If not, I’d rather go with a candidate that I believe can convince the voters and have a chance to win.

        * The running joke at HP was, if HP were to market sushi they would advertise it as cold, dead, raw fish.

        • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

          My advice… give it time. The MSM is dominating the candidate exposure via these “so called” debates… Perry will sell his jobs record at the right time… he will “sell himself” through ground game and targeted advertising. Hopefully you will see what you’re wanting to see…

          The polls will become more accurate when they’re targeting real primary samples and not random samples of the nation.

          • captkirc

            Short of being an online advocate or a campaign volunteer, primary voters have time to make their decision. I said a month ago that in order for me to consider Perry he would have to demonstrate that his debate performances could improve. It hasn’t gotten any better since then but I don’t need to cast my vote for another 5 months so he still has time to win me over. Not just to pick on Perry, shortly before the harassment scandel broke, I had decided that in order for Herman Cain to possibly win my vote, I would need to see a commitment by him to overhaul his amateurish campaign staff. I think its clear that didn’t happen. I’m now waiting to see if Huntsman can do a better job selling his accomplishments. Agreeing to sit down with Erick Erickson is a good start but again I am taking a wait and see approach.

        • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

          by showing he can sell himself. Well put. Because I want the most reliable conservative.

        • Common_Cents

          People don’t question Perry’s record, they question his ability to sell it. He coulda had this largely wrapped up by now if he had decent debate performances. Now he has to put in a lot more work to come back in a short period of time. Wish him luck.

          • acat

            I think we’ve seen him learning what works and what doesn’t (hitting Romney on illegals works, hitting conservatives as having no hearts doesn’t work) .. but I don’t think we’ve seen him trying to close the deal. Yet.

            As Paula has been reporting (see the recommended diary list), Perry is going big, not going home. (not without a fight, at least…)

            I think he’s got a shot. Only one shot, perhaps .. .. but he seems to be waiting to see the whites of their eyes.

            Mew

  • tjms

    do not want to support. Started by doing pretty much the same thing I did in 2010, I do not want to vote for anybody that has been involved in DC for the past 20 years. That brought it down quite a bit, took out Bachman, Gingrich, Santorum, Huntsman,Paul. Then I thought of the terrible state our country is in, meaning I could not vote for someone that has never been in county/state politics, so that took out Cain.So that left me with the 3 governors, Johnson is a bit too libetarian for me. Now it is Perrry or Romney and being a Texan and living under Gov. Perry I know what to expect and trust what he says as being what he does. Last election I watched Romney change positions and had no desire to support him and still don’t. So I am hoping that Gov. Perry can improve and pull it out. I hope he can show the rest of America why we have reelected him over and over. I am very much a 10th amendment supporter and have no problem with him just continuing as our governor-but the only other major supporter of states rights I will have a big problem voting for.

  • conservativeparrothead

    Let me start by saying I appreciate your efforts and I appreciate Governor Perry for his accomplishments and wish he was my Governor.

    So to me, this is not about conservative voters or getting the base energized its about winning in the rust belt, its about convincing those swing state suburban moderate independent voters. Heres why I believe he cant:

    First, George W. Bush – now please dont confuse me as saying this, Im trying to show you the logic of the “swing” voter. You were right about the economy, and while people disapprove of how Obama is “handling” the economy, there is still a large percentage who believe Bush is to blame, so the narrative of “another Texas Governor” will make it worse, is one that will certainly be played along with foreign policy. Again, the simpleton voter hears that other Texas Governor got you into 2 unpopular wars, I caputred Bin Laden. Lets not make that mistake again.
    There are simply people who will not vote for him because he is coming from the same government office as George W Bush did when he ran for President and as much as that stinks for him, it is true. Please dont cite me their differences, I know them, Im talking the simpleton logic here.

    So can he ariculate those differences? Not sure, I heard him asked something at the Iowa state fair this summer and he said “He went to Yale, I went to A&M” – well thats great, but that isnt going to sell the voters who will swing this election.

    Then you get into some of the stuff from “Fed Up” – can he defend those positions with articulation to those swing voters? Or some of the things within his Texas record that are important to those suburban swing voters: Even before Obamacare, health care costs in Texas skyrocketed from 2000 to 2009 and Texas ranks fairly low in overall education performance.

    Then comes the debates, as Ive said in many posts, Ronald Reagan was in the high 30′s with two weeks to go before the election, then came the debate with Carter and election night, you had a landslide for Reagan. Im not sure Perry possesses that ability, he even says it “Im a doer and not a talker” which is great and noble and a wonderful trait for a Governor, but you have to sell your ideas to the American people and unfortunately in 21st Century in America, that often requires talking.

    When you are going to need to sell to win this election, one gaffe like the oops moment or some answers where the analysis will be that he overall lacks depth of knowledge…it will be lights out.

    As I said in the intro, I like Perry, wish he was my governor, but at this point, I just dont see him being electable in states its going to take to win the White House. If he is the nominee, I obviously hope like heck that I am wrong and will support him 100%, but right now that is just what I believe.

    • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

      Which is why we have primaries… if you can’t win the base then how can you win the general?

      Can you show me something that proves your premise is correct?

      I am not convinced that “rust belt moderates” are completely as naive as you make them out to be…

      Finally my last question to you is… Who if not Perry is more capable of articulating the message of limited government from an actual record to the conviction and vote of these so called “rust belt moderates”?

      • booboola7896

        . . . you do have to at least appear to be intelligent. Unfortunately the general public thinks Perry is a fool and in this day and age, perceptions matter. Newt is viewed as an evil genius, Romney as a robot, Bachmann as a religious airhead, Santorum as too earnest, young and unbalanced, Cain as the relative who talks too much without thinking, Paul as a lunatic, and so on. Huntsman is the best of the bunch, smart, balanced, experienced, but has the Mormon thing to weigh him down. Oh well.

        • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

          When using a ‘Reply to this’ button please do your best to keep your reply relevant to the targeted comment.

          Otherwise I’m left to presume you’re either unintelligent or you’re trolling about for attention.

          See how easy it is to throw out an insult?

        • Scope

          Most here don’t look at a candidates religious following to bash or praise any candidate. Why did you bring up Romney’s mormonism?

        • acat

          that’s dragging Huntsman down.

          It’s that Huntsman was quite excited at the opportunity of working *for* Obama .. and then didn’t quit that job before starting his run *against* Obama.

          That’s two strikes.

          Huntsman’s religious views aren’t even close to that problematic.

          Nice to see you’re still just as good at this as ever. That is .. not at all.

          Mew

      • conservativeparrothead

        Just simply what I believe would happen in the general. I understand your not convinced, if you were, you probably wouldnt be supporting Perry.

        Look, Ive been wrong before, wont be the first or last time…but its just what I feel. I can see the ads and the arguments now.

        • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

          So… may I ask that you put a little faith in the candidate that deserves your respect the most, rather than the respect of the MSM and these so-called rust-belt moderates.

          I’d rather die supporting someone by conscience, than die supporting someone I can’t conscientiously support.

          If anything I sincerely hope this diary provides the leverage people like yourself need to support with faith the most conservative candidate that represents you… regardless of the narratives that the MSM is dealing out.

          If we’re going by ‘feeling’ let me throw out the anecdotal evidence that my older brother (unrepentant Obama voter that lives in Indiana, works for a University, and claims that a bachelor’s degree is more a passport than an education to higher earning potential) has told me that he is still on the fence regarding whether or not he will vote for Obama again… he’s definitively an “independent” or “rust-belt moderate”… but I have no more faith that he’s undecided-independent than he is really just a bandwagon voter… (I say this because he was 100% behind G.W. Bush… and he never could articulate why… I love my brother, but sometimes I wonder how we ended up in the same family… ;) ).

          I am quite certain that the more excited our base is regarding the nominee, the more likely people like my brother will support them for the bandwagon effect.

          I figure NOW is the time for us to put up the best that conservatives have, and I believe that’s Rick Perry, the MSM will fail in their mission to paint him “Texas Dumb” like they attempted with G.W. Bush…

          It’s just not going to work out for them and they know it…

  • medamorphus

    Perry is the most consistent supporter of Conservative principles with the best record of anyone we have. Please see Paula’s diary under “Recommened Diaries” under “Rick Perry going big—An Addendum” watch the video and see if you don’t think that this Rick Perry is really the man we want to take his/our vision of America going forward. I’ll take Rick Perry’s articulation of American pride and exceptionalism as well as his love of country over Obama’s ANY day. These are bold colors, not pale pastels…..

  • jonnymadison

    Using dollars as a measuring stick, how much will rick perry cut the size of government?

    The only thing I could find is that he would cut non-defense discretionary spending by $100B. Am I missing more $$’s in cuts somewhere?

    • tricianc

      Although this isn’t the totality of savings Perry will cut the size of Government by, here’s a few:

      Getting rid of total Departments, decreasing the size of others

      Cut Congress pay and budgets in half

      No Obamacare

      Privatize Freddie and Fannie

      Audit all agencies and cut waste, fraud and abuse

      Get rid of Duplicate Programs (For example, Newt said this week Govt needs to teach people to budget, save and how to buy and maintain a house on a low income. NOT GOVT’S JOB but there are already 56 Federal programs/agencies that do this. 56! )

      No more Federal Bailouts

      Block granting entitlements

      Veto any bill containing earmarks

      Veto bills with new or unfunded mandates to the states, etc

      Energy independence

      Freeze Federal salaries and hiring

      Balanced Budget Amendment

      Cut discretionary spending

      One of my favorites: Zero based budgeting. Right now, we use base-line budgeting which increases for every department, commission, committee by at least 9% EVERY year whether they need the money or not and with no accountability. Imagine at least 9% increase across the board and then the next time 9% and so on and so on.

      Hope this helps. I love it!

    • Scope

      can you put on Paul’s proposed cuts of departments, wars, and anything else he has proposed to cut? You need to come up with a number, as you threw out a number out about Perry’s cut’s. Can you please include the dollar numbers of federal agencies Perry would eliminate? That’s important.

    • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

      Setting that aside…

      There are several other bullet points next to the “$100B” you pulled out of the summary…

      I want to thank you for bringing to my attention that I linked to the summary, and not the full plan. I have updated the link to the full plan .pdf which should have some red meat numbers for you…

      See the full plan here:
      http://www.rickperry.org/content/uploads/2011/10/Cut-Balance-Grow.pdf

      • jonnymadison

        I just scanned it, and from the graphs it looks like it has a lot of interesting info. I look forward to reading it later.

    • wacowboy

      which would entail a whole lot of cuts.

      At this point, there is little use in putting out a detailed dollar for dollar plan for cuts because it is too early in the process.

      just know that if we went from current spending to 18% of GDP, it would amount to just under a trillion dollars of cuts (if my simple math is correct)

      • jonnymadison

        Slightly, capping at 18% is good, but does he give any indication where?

        I haven’t read through the whole thing yet..

        • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

          for 18% of GDP by 2020 is following the Tea Party Debt Commission’s ‘Penny Plan’… as far as I understand it… the general gist is:

          We reduce the budget by 1% each year until we get to 18% of GDP, then we cap it at 18%.

  • conservativecurmudgeon

    As an advocate in the Perry Defense, I think I get the general gist: We are about to go off the cliff, and minor tinkering around the edges of the current tax code, and the general approach to federal governance won’t amount to a Tinker’s Dam.

    All right, I agree. Most sentient conservatives (one hopes) would.

    And I have a great deal of respect and excitement about Governor Perry’s tax plan. It is outstanding and thorough. There is no doubt it would be a healing balm to a festering wound. But:

    I sincerely question Rick Perry’s ability to lead and persuade on a national stage. He deals with a part-time legislature of folks paid a part-time salary, and except for one year of his governance, all were from his own party, and even that year (2000), the senate was Republican. From this vantage point, Governor Perry has not had to deploy the political skills I think will be crucial in the very near term.

    Please help dispel these misgivings.

    I am also a little concerned about what seems to me to be a bit of wooly-headed thinking on Perry’s part. Organizing for Al Gore in Texas in the same year GHW Bush was running still gives me the heeby-jeebies; but, we all learn and mature as we grow, I guess. But, it does show a bit of an undisciplined approach that I hope isn’t simply sloppiness and lack of core principles.

    • Scope

      You never had the first bit of interest in anything at all whatsoever, in what Perry is, was, has been, or can be. NEVER. You are as locked out of his candidacy as anyone I have seen here yet at RS, but try so hard to look intelligent about your decision. You have made up your mind, you believe Perry to be a bumbler and a fool.

      I have one request of you- VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE. Just stop your whining and moaning and griping and beeitching about him already. Pick someone else already, OK.

      You have to be freaking kidding me, lack of core principles.

      Man you’ve posted diaries here about core principles, life’s history as you learned it, some just good old down home stories. And you have the freakin nerve to say that Perry lacks “core principles”? Why did I ever read anything you wrote, I’ll never look at those articles again, the way I did when I thought you had some core principles. Time for me to go and take out the trash. I’ll be be back soon, the garbage cans are just a little ways away.

      • conservativecurmudgeon

        I’ve been very, very interested in, and rather supportive of, Governor Perry. I am not whining, moaning, or griping. I am asking substantive questions that I hope folks can answer, that’s all.

        I became aware of Governor Perry through his book, and what appears to be a solid conservative record in Texas. (He was up on my list with Mark Sanford at the time)

        But, when I watched him for the first time ever, in the first debate, and he said a person had “no heart” when they disagreed with giving in-state tuition rates to the children of illegal aliens, I found this sloppy, insulting and fatuous. And then, his entire argumentation performance fell off a rhetorical cliff after that, and I got a little turned off. Then, as now, I really, really want to like Governor Perry, and while he seems to be clawing his way back, and learning as he goes, I still have what I think are well-reasoned reservations, which I will get to in a moment..

        I don’t have a ton of time to investigate the byzantine history of each candidate; I do the best I can with the resources I have. I know that Perry worked on Al Gore’s 1988 campaign in Texas, and I also know that a natural, organic conservative would never, ever work for Al Gore. Yes, Gore wasn’t the delirious lib his is now back then, but, he was still a notoriously partisan democrat. What were the philosophical roads Mr. Perry traveled to arrive where he is today? Why did he change parties? I don’t know the answers to any of these things, but, I merely posited the tidbit that this MAY point to a certain wooly-headed bit of thinking. This also implies it MAY NOT, too, I will add.

        Now, as for my reservations, and I hope, Scopester, that you might address these in a substantive way:

        Suppose Governor Perry is elected President. Suppose the economy doesn’t rebound sufficiently in the first two years of his term, as they didn’t under Reagan in 1981-82, and the House goes back to Pelosi rule. I know Perry has the Conservative chops, but I DON’T know he has the leadership chops, as I’ve outlined; Are you sanguine in Perry’s ability to rhetorically take it to the Leftisist with all the passion and fire and articulation it will require to rise above this sort of circumstance? An objective observer will have to say “no, not right now”, especially when the foul leftist media will be counting the seconds between a question and his response.

        Please, please give me reasons to think Perry can rise to the occasion. Clearly, the man keeps getting elected, so there is reason to believe he can lead– but, it means leading not just Texas, but Rhode Island, Massachusetts and Hawaii, too. And leading means rallying, and cajoling, and passionate defense of deeply held systems of belief.

        Oh, and by the way: I am not a liar. I am leaning toward Newt, but some folks have recently given my reasons to reconsider Mr. Perry. Going right to the personal attacks doesn’t do the cause much good, and it’s a bit surprising. I am sorry if I’ve offended you (really), and I hope you can shed more light, not heat.

        • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

          I read your comments and have given them some serious thought…

          I appreciate your concern, I believe they are valid and worthy of discussion, and it is my understanding that your concern for Perry is two fold that may lead to the following 2 questions:

          1. Is Perry ready to communicate and lead on issues from a Washington perch.
          2. Can we please get an explanation regarding Perry’s support for an ultra-lib over 20 years ago?

          On issue #1: I believe the core of the question on the leadership you’re concerned about can only be answered by your definition of leadership.

          I for one believe that leadership requires integrity and personal trustworthiness. There is nothing in Perry’s record that shows me he is not a man of integrity or personal trustworthiness.

          When you have integrity and personal trustworthiness you are able to lead with moral authority on any issue. That moral authority is what gives an individual authenticity with the electorate.

          I do not think you can remove “wooley-headed”-ness from the process of politics. Politics is largely perceptions and perspectives. There is no “pure” candidate, but I think it’s wholly plausible for us to expect to find a candidate for POTUS that is capable of showing principled decision making regardless of the outcomes…

          The “heartless” comment whether it is accurately portrayed or not, whether it is perceived correctly or not, is rather a moot point on a floating point scale. The Texas legislature came up with the plan for the state of Texas. Perry saw the value behind signing it. I think he’s defended the decision well outside of the “heartless” comment, but if you’re looking for a gnat to strain on while swallowing a camel then there it is.

          I believe Perry’s weaknesses more than anything is Gardasil when it comes to “wooley-headed” decisions. I take him at his word that he was “siding with life” on the issue. It’s a really weak argument. But it’s an even weaker argument that he was going “crony” for $6000… so I give him the benefit of the doubt on that. We are not privy to the information that was being laid out before him, nor are we privy to how exactly the E/O process was worked out. What we do know, that when all was said and done, Perry listened to his constituents/legislature when it was overwhelmingly clear that the E/O was out of line with the people.

          As for his support of Al Gore over 20 years ago? I can’t really say anything. I was 9 years old at the time, and only knew Al Gore after he was elected as VP. I was cognizant of Presidential politics at the time, but I wasn’t that keyed in. I presume however that party politics works in a way where you try to support national figures based on who best represents you and your constituents. Clearly there was a MAJOR change in Perry’s political philosophy. I don’t know too much about when and where that epiphany took place. However, Ronald Reagan had a similar epiphany and became the Reagan we knew and love.

          If there is a similarity there, I would suggest it goes beyond having an epiphany, but extends to the “Communicator” capacity. I don’t think Perry is even close to Reagan when it comes to this ability, but I do believe that as cynical as our current climate is, nothing but straight Texas style talk will bring some sensibilities back to independents, moderates, and even conservatives.

          That being said, I see nothing in Perry’s record that suggests that he isn’t capable of communicating the need to take a specific course, and to get the public behind him. He’s got a better record than any other candidate in that regard at this particular time, with MAYBE exception to Huntsman (who also supported a similar bill as Governor to the Texas Dream Act).

          Overall, if we’re grading candidates on a floating point scale to determine how authentic they are in conservative values, it is like as I said in the diary…

          The Economy and our prosperity will hinge on the reigning in of not only government spending, but the ability to manipulate where the spending goes. I believe Rick Perry answers the core of these issues better than any other candidate.

          • wacowboy

            based on how old you were in 1988, we’re not that far off in age, so I do plead youthful ignorance on some things from the 80s.

            Algore was not the psycho lib nut that he is today back then. He has progressively moved more and more to the left over his political career to arrive at where he is today. Not that he’d ever be confused with Ronald Reagan, but it does seem fair and accurate from what I’ve read to say that Algore was a whole lot more moderate than today.

            Perry, on the other hand has moved more and more to the right over the course of his political career. from being a conservative democrat, to a bush republican, to now championing the tea party movement. he hasn’t been all over the map depending on which office he’s been running for, like ROmney. Whether it is a conscious move, or a realization after more time in politics of the problems that exist is anyone’s guess.

          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

            has become more unhinged over the years, but I’ve said time and again, he is and never has been anything but an opportunistic politician. He was my representative at one time in Tennessee, and like other Democrats in that area, he knew how to spin his beliefs to get the votes. Despite his claims to the contrary, he was pro choice even in the ’80′s.

            The 1988 Democrat platform included the many of the same positions that have become standard fare for their platform. A link to that platform is http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=29609#axzz1eMhiOpfu

            I agree that Governor Perry has a convincing conservative record, however, I think it’s fair to question how anyone could support algore. Perhaps I feel more strongly about this than most because I am familiar with algore from way back. Re the party switch, I appreciate Governor Perry’s frank admission that “I came to my senses” much more than trying to spin that algore was ever “moderate.”

          • Aaron Gardner

            He was a democrat and the other option was Jesse Jackson. ;)

          • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

            no text in this space.

          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

            is that knowing algore from way back when, I don’t see a lot of difference between algore and the Reverend Jackson despite his attempts to disguise himself. In fact, I don’t see much difference in the entire lot of them when you have those like Stupak & other self-proclaimed pro life Dems who are quite willing to sell their souls.

            But this isn’t a sticking point for me as I’m a forgiving person when I think the conversion and repentance is sincere. I’m just saying that Perry’s straightforward answer about coming to his senses scores more points with me than those trying to spin algore into a moderate when I know better. I was also acknowledging that my personal animus toward algore influences my perspective.

          • Aaron Gardner

            what you are referring to as spin was the common perception outside of TN at the time. You had a different perspective, which ultimately was borne out to be the truth, because of being in his state and being a conservative, but that doesn’t mean that the perception outside of your state by others can be disregarded.

            Within the Democrat party Jackson was considered much further to the left of Gore at the time.

          • wacowboy

            I’ll admit to not liking the algore thing either, other than perhaps it just being a young politician following the party line.

            and since he became a republican in 1989, it might seem that the 88 election was the one that opened his eyes to the real democrat machine outside of west texas. interesting speculation.

    • greyeagle

      Perry switched to the Republican Party in 1989. So he was not organizing anything for Gore. In fact he worked on Gore’s campaign in 1988. Perry has always been a conservative. I am sure you already know all this information.

  • lizzie

    electable.
    A very recent Iowa poll had 42% of probable caucus-goers angry over Texas in-state tuition for children of illegal immigrants.

    Having been a bluest Dog dem until 1989, who supported Al Gore in 1988 because Gore was the most conservative dem candidate, seems to be a huge deal-breaker for today’s GOP base.

    Well, Pelosi-Obama-Reid have disowned the Blue Dogs – really stupid to do that because the dems can NEVER have a majority in either House or Senate without the Blue Dogs.

    Most legal Hispanics are social conservatives.

    The DNC is going to use abortion as a top 3 issue in 2012, because it worked so well in New York in 2010 as the ONLY issue. Why? To drive voter turnout of women.

    Perry DOES have a huge handicap in being wrongly labelled “dumber than W, no more texas governors” and “all white southern men are racists”

    However, as the disillusioned secular dem in so-deep-blue-I-am-not sleeping, I can tell you that Perry can win the Blue Dogs, the Reagan Dems (Jim Webb is retiring because he can not supportthe dems anymore, again), more Hispanics than you can count, more women than any other GOP candidate because he is a gentleman who honestly respects and likes strong women.

    And, 13% of New York voters are Jewish , and half of us will vote for Perry because we will NOT vote for Obama, because of Jerusalem, and also, it is the Economy! Everyone is losing their savings and jobs.

    At some point, people will realize this is a wave election that is rejecting anyone who has a Harvard MBA, or a Harvard (or Yale) law degree.

    The ideological purity being demanded is puzzling (my polite word).

    Romney v Obama will be lowest turnout in history.

    Stop worrying about the debates.

    Obama gets VERY uncomfortable when he has to breathe the same air as someone who is ex-military and has the tough resilience that has Perry rebounding.

    Leadership fuels confidence. No one has that quality except Perry. Not Palin. Not Rubio. Not Daniels. Not Ryan (talks too fast).

    Give him until January. He really does learn fast and everyone loves an underdog who can run a political marathon.

    .

    • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

      I think Perry’s shot at this point is pick off Iowa (if it can be done), then go after S.C., Florida. Much of the other primaries will set low expectations but as long as he’s polling in top 2 or 3 in Iowa/N.H. he can win the Southern states and on to momentum in the Super Tuesday.

  • greyeagle

    that Perry can likely get some voters that the other candidates will not attract. He is also likely to attract conservative Catholics too. In TX he worked with all ethnic groups. He has strong moral values and would make a great President. He would also have the respect of our Military and he would respect them. Not like the current WH.

    • tricianc

      and Perry has my full support and of course, my vote.

      Along with other conservative beliefs, I like that he walks the walk on being prolife and for traditional marriage.

      I can’t trust most of the other candidates (Cain and Newt specifically. I know what we’ll get with Romney) with their past stances and flip–flops. I don’t know what we’ll actually get with them as their words and actions due not reflect my values, To hem and haw, change based on pandering, etc means to me they have no true core.

      However, with Perry, he has the record showing he means exactly what he says. He’s actually supported, fought for and passed laws protecting the unborn and other conservative values.

      • tricianc

        I thought about that after I hit the submit button and I thought how sad this is.

        I was appalled that so many Catholics bought into Barack Obama and seem to be doing it with other candidates this election cycle. I just don’t understand with our beliefs how they can. I thought maybe after seeing what Obama actually did against our values, they’d wise up. But they’re falling for it again. Just because they have an R behind their name, in no way means they are conservative. They may talk it, but they’re not.

        It truly saddens me….

        • nathanalbright

          ….and since many Catholic priests support liberation theology and the NMBLA, there are plenty of ‘liberal’ American Catholics in the RCC hierarchy, much less the general body of members.

        • acat

          Plenty of non-Catholics voted for Obama.

          Religious doesn’t mean Conservative.
          Conservative doesn’t mean religious.
          GOP doesn’t mean either.

          Mew

        • snowshooze

          When the Catholics decided that they could commit all the sins they wanted to, confess the to the Priest, who kicked them upstairs to the Pope, who went to God, got the forgiveness.. and all is good.
          All ya gotta do is have a great time, and include full disclosure.
          Yer covered man.
          You can be a liberal all 7 days of the week. So long as you come up with the confession.. you are Jake with God.
          So..in a nutshell.. that is the Catholics.

          • snowshooze

            I’d have a hell of a lot more fun.
            No worries.. put it on the card. I will cash out on Sunday.

          • daveoconnor

            “When the Catholics decided they could commit all the sins they wanted to…”
            When was that? I missed it. What year? Details please. I don’t want to believe you’re anti-Catholic so help me with some documentation.
            Please. As you put it: “…include full disclosure…”

          • snowshooze

            No, not anti Catholic..I am just observant. If you can survive to the next confession, you are covered.
            The way it is.it is.

          • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

            no-text.

        • redmymind

          I am a fellow Catholic. You are absolutely right about the traditional magisterial teachings of the Church being the bedrock of all that we deem proper and “conservative”.

          Those who claim to be “Catholic” but who violate the core tenets of our Church are in reality no longer Catholic. “Catholic” politicians, in particular, who take on positions inconsistent with the Church’s authoritative teachings (binding on all Catholic, that is) incur what we call in the Church, “latae sententiae” excommunication (automatic excommunication) by virtue of their apostasy.

          The clergy who knowingly continue to give them Holy Communion and treat them as still part of the Church commit a horrific sin against Our Lord and themselves becoming subject to ecclesiastical penalties.

          As you correctly sensed it, THIS is the official position of our Church. The so-called “Catholics” who care to dispute this or who somehow “relativize” this ought to at least do the honest thing and leave the Church. Our Lord spoke of the wrath they would incur in their dishonest act of causing scandal and rebellion.

          Yet, tricianc, in your sadness (which I share), let us be ever reminded that Our Lord is ultimately in charge . . . at ALL times–even when things look hopeless and worse by the day. He honors us by calling us His friends and allowing us to drink from His cup (sharing in His sacred passion).

          I’ll be including your intentions in my rosary prayer tonight. Please say a prayer for me as well.

          God bless! . . . Benedicat te Omnipotens Deus!

          • snowshooze

            I was unaware of the ecclesiastical penalties, or excommunication.

          • redmymind

            Thanks for your kind feedback. Have a nice day!

          • redmymind

            There are essentially two ways excommunication is dispensed within the Catholic Church, in accordance with Canon Law:

            1. Latae Sententiae – Which is automatic (and to be assumed as such), as in the case when one commits an abortion or formally assists at it.

            2. Ferendae Sententiae – Which is pronounced after a competent ecclesiastical authority (i.e., a canonical judge . . . or the Pope himself, the Supreme Legislator in the Church) deems an offense worthy of this gravest of penalties.

            Lesser penalties would include such things as the suspension of priestly faculties, etc. With these, one is still considered to be “within” the Church–just in a lot of trouble.

            The point being, in the context of the arguments I’ve been reading above, that those in the Church responsible for maintaining proper discipline have been asleep at the switch . . . leading to the crisis and the scandals we’ve seen. Just my $0.02 on this last point, shooze. I’m only a layman; no theologian or some wiz on Church matters.

  • avagreen

    The man for the job as He well knows.

  • independentmike

    I do like and respect Rick Perry, but I think he is a very weak candidate. He is a very poor debater. I fear that Obama would destroy him in a debate. Perry also seems to have a habit of making needlessly provocative statements that he is later forced to explain/clarify.

    It’s a shame because Perry’s record is strongly right of center.

    This time around we right-of-center folks must, must, must try to get the GOP to nominate the candidate who has the best chance of beating Obama.

    • sunshinek67

      :(

    • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

      Is that right of center folks seem to buy into this idea that Rick Perry won’t be able to go toe to toe with Obama.

      Obama is not a great debater. Even McCain lit him up… Pres. Obama requires a teleprompter for every speaking engagement…

      This business that we need someone that has the ‘best chance of beating Obama’… is on its face the biggest canard of all time.

      If you can’t win the primary, how can you win the general? I don’t see Romney’s stagnant 22% say much about what his ‘perceived general standing’ will be with the electorate in the general. There aren’t enough moderates/independents that will cross over to support any GOP nominee that will throw that candidate over the top without a HUGE voter turnout of the base.

      You don’t win the base with the strategy that the base is wrong, and they should accept the guy that’s closest to the center…

      If you want a right of center country, elect a right of center candidate. The further right that individual is, the more likely you are going to get what you want.

      • independentmike

        Please understand that if Perry gets the nomination, I will donate money to him, canvass neighborhoods for him, etc., etc. I think highly of him as a person and as a conservative, and I think he’s achieved a good record as governor of Texas.

        That being said, I still believe Perry is a weak candidate. I’m glad he has hired a debate coach. His last two debate performances were an improvement, but I still have grave doubts about his communications skills. His attack on Obama’s upbringing was not just a little odd, it was factually wrong. His challenge to Nancy Pelosi for a debate likewise came across to many as odd.

        I don’t agree that McCain “lit up” Obama in their debates. I think Obama cleaned McCain’s clock in the first two debates, and perhaps narrowly lost to him in the third debate.

        • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

          His attack on Obama?s upbringing was not just a little odd, it was factually wrong. His challenge to Nancy Pelosi for a debate likewise came across to many as odd.

          Can you elaborate a little more on this comment?

          As far as the “Obama cleaned his clock”…. the only points I took away from McCain was when he refused to take Obama to task on his socialist views… the times when McCain was weak in the debates was when he wasn’t aggressive.

          I don’t think Perry will be timid in calling out Obama for his failed policies or the socialistic attitude. I think all Perry or any GOP nominee needs to do, is consistently remind Obama where he failed on his own policies… and during the gaps of “umm well umm err umm”… they go on to explain a better plan.

          Democrats get dirty in general election… they will do all they can to make Republicans take ownership of the failed economy… They can’t make that argument when more than half of the Jobs created since the Stimulus was spent came from Texas. Makes for awful hard ground to land on once you’re knocked off that pedestal.

          If you want Romney to get technocratic with Obama at opposing podiums… good lloyd, I’d rather slit my wrists and do pushups in salt water.

          If you think Cain will be able to articulate a foreign policy that makes Obama look bad… good luck. Even I think Obama has a better handle on foreign policy that Cain… and he’s always got that OBL card to pull out, and the Libyan “kinetic military exercise” to declare as a win (even though it wasn’t)…

          If you think that Gingrich won’t get dragged down into defending the policies of 1994, or things he’s said and done in the past… and his snarky one-liners that may be conservative meat will win over the “moderate/independent” and not come off as know-it-all… then by all means support him.

          In the mean time, I believe Perry will be able to communicate quite effectively, and he’ll be able to shutdown the machine. Sure the MSM will make mountains out of mole-hills on any “gaffe” nonsense they can drudge up… but they’ll end up shooting themselves in the foot, as Perry comes off as a people’s candidate that is concerned about America, and not explaining some technocratic B.S.

          Just my thoughts on the “debate” speculation.

          • independentmike

            But Perry too often misspeaks, fails to finish his sentences, etc., even in friendly interviews.

            Perry’s claim that Obama had some kind of “privileged” upbringing (1) is a rather petty attack, and (2) is just not accurate. And since when do we start attacking people because of how they were raised? It’s not like Obama had any control over who his parents were or how well or poorly they were doing.

            Perry’s challenge to Nancy Pelosi for a debate struck many people as an odd act of desperation. Pelosi isn’t even Speaker anymore. What good would it do to debate her anyway?

            There were many times in the first two McCain-Obama debates when McCain came across as uninformed, bumbling, and just tired and worn out. McCain also let many erroneous arguments go unanswered.

            In this day and age, a candidate’s ability to communicate is crucial.

            I think Perry is finished anyway. I think most voters have decided that he had his chance and royally blew it.

          • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

            “I think Perry is finished anyway. I think most voters have decided that he had his chance and royally blew it.”

            but I’m hoping to change that by persuasion not invective.

            I do believe he has the debate skills and capacity to message for Conservatives in a meaningful way which will win.

            As for his “oops” moment… its not like he had articulation issue there, he just forgot a bullet point. I chalk that up to candidate fatigue, and that’s just the way I see it, but that’s because I’m not worried about nitpicking candidates for weaknesses. I can overlook a lot on each candidate, and I have…

            I think you’re right, many of the issues that Perry is strongest on, he hasn’t been very good at messaging on these, with exception of the Security Debate two Saturday’s ago… I think Perry is going to really impress from here on out. I hope that for folks like you the “low expectation” will be an advantage when he shows up and nails the issues in the coming debates.

            The polishing will HELP dramatically, and he’s got a really good team behind him.

            I urge you to give him an honest look tonight.

  • carolynr

    Why can’t Perry’s poll numbers go up? Well, we listened to Perry at Luntz’ family forum. No gaffes…did fine. However, the problem is not so much with Perry (although his demeanor in the 03 Freedom Concert with Hannity would take him back up in the top tier) it’s with the public. This society has become more self-centered, more into instant gratification than ever before. Rick Perry has humility…meaning..self understanding without self condemnation. He lives a good life, doesn’t always look at the “me” in himself, and therefore doesn’t recognize the the selfish. People believe that if they have the best speaker (forget intelligence as is the case with the puppet Obama), that this person will be a personification of themselves. This is the skill that Perry needs…to sell the public that he is them.

    I mentioned Perry’s speech in Hannity Freedom Concert because he showed passion, conviction and it transferred to the audience. I have been at some of Cain’s events in Atlanta. He used this quite effectively. He electrified the crowds. All he did was use his passion. The information he conveyed, we already knew, Obama is no good.

    Perry needs to be a multi-personality guy and that is where he fails. He’s Rick Perry and these are his beliefs. That sounds great to me and if he strays too far from that, he is seen as the hypocrite that Romney is. He, Romney, plays to any audience he can and tells them what they want to hear, not what he believes. The problem is with the public…not the candidate. However, the public can’t see themselves in Romney and that is why he is static…plus a liar.

    As far as GWB is concerned, I think Perry has a good ground game out there to dispel the fact that Perry and Bush are NOT alike. Their big difference. Bush liked to spend…Perry’s motto is “thrift”. He hasn’t said that enough. He doesn’t have to mention Bush’s name…he just has to “ask them” do they believe in less spending…and when they say “yes”…he solidifies the point. “I do also…you and I are much alike, we are sick of this government taking our hard earned money and spending it on vacations, while we work hard, etc. etc.” You get the point.

    Trying to thread this needle is extremely difficult. Should he come off too pious as Bachmann did in the Family Forum debate, it appears false.

    Perry has to tell the electorate what he will do for “THEM”…HOW HE WILL WORK FOR ‘THEM’. With the Congress at a 9% approval rating because of their inability to put America first, Perry has not put the passion to that either. “Guys, Gals…you will be first in my book…not some lobbyist”.

    One more thing that Perry can do…explain to this electorate…in townhalls, etc. IN SIMPLISTIC but FLATTERING language to his listeners what his plans will do for them. Explain that with a jobs package, it has a ripple effect. The fracker/oil driller has to eat and that means that people in restaurants make money, restaurants makes money, pay taxes, employees pay babysitters. Gas goes down so does groceries. Gas goes down goods and services goes down. It is very simplistic…BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY THAT DO NOT UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TWO HOUSES OF CONGRESS. While you can’t call your electorate stupid, you can explain in simplistic terms what it means…everyday language. Ross Perot was a master at this. Even Karl Rove (who I do not like) uses a white board…why…because he knows that people that listen to him can’t understand it.

    Have Steve Forbes use a white board, put on a presentation IN SIMPLISTIC LANGUAGE where there is a benefit to the people.
    We are a gimme society (a good deal of it)…and you capitalize on that and give them what they want…the benefits of your programs. Perry has yet to bring this home.

    I know this is a long post…but in Iowa…talk about the death tax…these people own farms…talk about how you, as POTUS, can help them to keep what they have., etc. etc. I think you get my point.

    Perry has not done this effectively. Watch the Hannity 03 Freedom thing and look what the people in Dallas did..they cheered and stood up. He was one of them and they were part of him

    This is why Romney has such a hard time. He is referred to as a nerd..wooden. He cannot connect with people. Herman Cain could but he lacked the necessary background and experience.

    Perry needs to become more animated in settings that will cause the people to rise up and join him to their benefit. That is Perry’s failing…get all of the people by telling them how THEY BENEFIT by specific example.

    • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

      Who among us is so polished that they can offer great oratory without the teleprompter?

      Cain has a gift for electrifying crowds… he was also a conservative talk Radio host taking 1000s of calls from everyday voters for YEARS… It’s a talent… but its not enough of a record in my book to become President. There are things I like about Cain, but 9-9-9 is one of those “unintended consequences” type of economic plans. That alone is enough for me to look elsewhere.

      Gingrich is resonating with voters right now because he’s taken the “high-road” in the debates and has declined the opportunity to take the legs out from underneath his competing friends. I think this has been a great strategy for him… but Gingrich is being set up as this “great mastermind” because he’s great at articulating his points… but his points are sometimes over the top rhetoric, or grand distractions from the point at hand. Don’t get me wrong he’s got great one-liners, and its entertaining to see him take down MSM representatives. However, I don’t see a lot of originality when it comes to his Economic plan… and I don’t see him really towing the conservative line. Gingrich has tendencies to search for solutions that are outside the box, because he hopes to drive a conservative solution, that is acceptable to Democrats. I think this is a failure by becoming too complex in your plans, that you’re just moving the goal posts, not changing the game. I like Gingrich… give him the VP slot… then cut him loose on every regulatory commission in the executive branch. Allow him to hold meetings with every Czar, and let them explain their usefulness… let him gut these in way only Newt could… let him become the President of the Senate… but no, I don’t think he’s the right man for President of the United States. As far as “connection” to the voter… Gingrich is going to stumble, the MSM is propping him up at this time… until the time is right to bring out the baggage… not that I think he should be judged on that… but it will quickly turn off female voters, and he’ll lose his ground game real quick.

      Romney does come off as “wooden” as you say. Which is odd, I actually think Romney is a very likable person. Gives me the “I’m Ward Cleaver, and I know best” impression, if he just dropped the last part, he’d connect more. I think you’ve identified his biggest connection problem… which is that he can’t tether down to specific positions without re-analyzing the current conditions…. and that’s what has given him the most trouble…

      I don’t see any of the lower tiered candidates making a play for keeps at this time, nor do I personally see them making it passed Iowa without an outright landslide win… (see Huckabee 2008)…

      So if you had to put your time, energy, money, and faith in a candidate, why not go for the person that best represents you?

      I think Perry can connect to other people. I think he does connect to people when he’s in person. I became solidly in his corner when I realized I was doing fist pumps and attaboys when I saw him speak or read a quote of his in some random news article or blog.

      Personally, I was hoping for Mike Pence, or Haley Barbour to join the race… at the time I knew Rick Perry was being talked about, I thought… “oh great… another Texas governor to be a drag…” However, the more I became familiar with his record, the more I was willing to give him a look… but what really sold me was seeing clips of him or reading things he’d said. He’s very authentic in my view. I actually hope he does remind people of G.W. Bush, people are MISSING him a great deal at this point…

      Trust me, the debate performances are capitalizing the national poll figures… but when all is said and done… you’ll see the mobilization in the early states solidify around Perry, at least that is my hope…

      I believe when this groundswell happens, you’ll see Perry do what Perry does… simplify his message, and electrify crowds.

      I implore you, if your hang up is that he hasn’t connected with you… then go watch some youtube clips, go watch his campaign clips… you’ll see where I’m coming from even more.

    • independentmike

      In spite of my concerns with Perry’s poor communication skills, I do agree that Perry is a genuine conservative, a sincere and humble person, and a man of good character.

      If by some miracle Perry makes a comeback and wins the GOP nomination, I would be more than happy to do all I could to help him beat Obama.

  • avagreen

    I’m hoping and praying the electricity fails about two syllables into the debate. ROFLMAO!

    Pres. Obama requires a teleprompter for every speaking engagement?

  • bzip

    Don’t forget that Rick Perry will be on Fox news today the center sit discussion on Bret Baier 6pm EST (though I think the center sit discussion with Perry starts “about” 6:30pm EST).

  • conservativeparrothead

    I believe articulation is an essential component and characteristic its going to take to win in 2012.

    As for the other “principles”, I just dont care that much about what they have done in the past. I dont know them personally, I dont know how they would react to certain situations.

    Think about why we think some of these people are or are not conservative:

    1. Am I 100% sure that if Rick Perry were a senator from PA, that he wouldnt of chose to support his fellow senator as opposed to Rep Toomey? NO

    2. Am I 100% sure he has always been faithful to his wife? N0

    3. Am I 100% sure that if he were offered a deal from Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac to work for that kind of money he would of turned it down? NO

    4. Am I 100% sure, that if he were in the Senate in 1993, he wouldnt of been supporting the inidividual mandate as a way to fight Hillarycare along with other conservatives who supported it? NO

    5. Am I 100% sure that if he were the Governor of Mass and an option like RomneyCare came up, he wouldnt of supported it? NO

    Just like Im not sure other candidates wouldnt of been in favor of in-state tuition for illegals or the vaccine if they were Governor of Texas. I look at Ronald Reagan, the greatest President of my lifetime, and if we had put him under the same microscope for his record in California on tax increases, abortion and the environment, he never would of made it through, he would be labeled Left of Mitt. So you have to take not so much what they have done, because what they have done at one particular moment in time, is as much about the situation they were in as it is about their principles.

    So for me, it comes down to who will support the 2012 Conservative agenda to Barack Obama in a way that can be articulated to America, much the same way Reagan articulated it back in 1980, not who came it with purist Conservative Man Card, because as we know, it probably wasnt Reagan in 1980 based on his legislative record in California.

    • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

      So you’re not supporting Rick Perry because you’ not 100% sure that he wouldn’t have done or not done the same things as other candidates?

      Yeah, I’m sorry there seems to be some cognitive dissonance there with the equivalence/equivocation argument that you’re making…

      If it comes down to “who will support the 2012 Conservative agenda to Barack Obama”… I think the diary perfectly addresses that concern. You apparently see something I do not in another candidate… Please by all means… show me the better candidate that does this for you… Feel free to write up a diary on the matter… I’ll recommend it just for discussion’s sake.

      • http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

        What is being said here is, essentially, that the other candidates have this baggage because they had the OPPORTUNITY to make those mistakes. Without Perry having had the same chance, it’s impossible to say for certain that he’s better than the others, if those mistakes are the criteria by which they are being judged.

        It’s a fair point. Not a GREAT point, but he’s not trying to dissuade anyone from voting for Perry.

        • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

          I see your point in the context of this thread… but look further above where I directly engaged his comments… twice I’ve asked him for a direct answer to the question ‘who’s better than Perry’? No answer, so I’m just not convinced this isn’t just a sophisticated attempt to play devil’s advocate.

          Nowhere in my diary did I go after the other candidates for their negatives… I’m not judging them by what they did… I’m judging Perry for what he can do, and what he’s presenting as an Economic plan.

          I don’t care to make assumptions about what any candidate would have done if they had been in another candidate’s shoes at the time they made some poor judgements…. It’s TOTALLY unworthy of our time.

          I think we are all capable of defending our opinions on who the best candidate is to represent us. What I’m having a hard time with is those that are playing devil’s advocate with straw-man arguments, and logical fallacies.

          • http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

            My takeaway from the above comment is simply that past mistakes, while potentially instructive, can’t be the only disqualifier for a candidate. If there was such a thing as a perfect candidate, then maybe. But barring that, we need to understand that every candidate has baggage, look at that baggage for what it is, and try to get a whole picture of the candidate as s/he stands today.

            That’s what I’m trying to do, anyway – and that may be why I still haven’t picked a candidate. At this point, I’m just hoping to leave the booth after the NY primaries feeling like I can be represented by whoever wins.

          • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

            Which is why I wrote the diary as it stands…

            Personally I don’t think any of the candidates have done anything to answer the issue of spending other than talk about typical measures which they know may be unrealistic…

            Perry has adopted the Tea Party Debt Commission “Penny Plan”/ Same thing Freedom Works has been working on…

            I really believe of all the candidates Perry “gets” the spending issue, and is not only embracing the Tea Party, but he’s championing ideas with credibility…

            I really like Michelle Bachmann from a rhetorical/legislative standpoint. I just think she’s got an uphill battle without having executive experience… and if anything its not the way she went after Perry on the Gardasil issue that’s hurting her, its that she doesn’t have executive experience.

            I like Herman Cain from a personality perspective. I don’t like 999 or 9-0-9 (empowerment zones)…

            I like Newt’s ability to take a debate moderator back to kindergarten, but that’s not a platform… and he’s been very careful in his criticisms of other candidates… some say its because he’s taking the “high road”… personally, I think its to prevent other campaigns from releasing oppo research on him… and I think you’ll start seeing some of that oppo research hitting the presses in the next 2 weeks now that he’s on top of the “anti-romney” column… at any rate, Newt would in my mind make a great VP.

            As for Romney, I used to support in him 2008… I could write a book on why I won’t do it again… unless he wins the nomination… I like Romney for a lot of reasons, I also dislike Romney for a lot of reasons that I don’t need to get into, because I don’t want to turn this thread into a Romney spat… it suffices to say, that I think Perry has a better economic plan than Romney, and that’s supposed to be Romney’s forte.

            I like Santorum’s determination and grit when it comes to supporting life, and discussion surrounding legislative issues, but I don’t think he’s ready to lead on executive issues (same issue Bachmann has for me).

            Huntsman was my governor. There are things about Huntsman that are great, and things about him that are not so great. Huntsman doesn’t tackle politics from a political perspective, he does it from a business consensus perspective… he’s the ultimate finger in the air type of politician. He may make a better candidate in other election cycles, and I think he’s either hoping that he’ll get his chance as the “anti-Romney” so he can make his case, his resume is really impressive… but again, in Utah, he did things that were unnerving to a conservative. His economic plan is I believe the second best plan we have coming out of the GOP candidates…

            The leverage around economy is all encompassing in this election… if we don’t turn the economy around, and do the things laid out in Perry’s plan… I think we are put on the defensive for all other battles for the next decade.

            If conservatives can’t be out in front on economic solutions, all other issues concerning conservatives will not be considered by the public. You have to hit the public where they pay attention the most, before you can get their attention on other major problems… I’m not suggesting that so-cons take a back seat nor do they need to truce… as a so-con, I’m happy to say I believe Rick Perry is just as strong on social and defense issues, as he is on economic ones… and that’s a recipe for coalition success.

            I urge you to give Perry a good hard look.

          • gator_hoo

            Not a big thing, but 9-0-9 isn’t the same as empowerment zones. 9-0-9 is a national program to have no income tax on poverty level families, Empowerment zones are other tax breaks to people in economically depressed areas.

      • conservativeparrothead

        support the most conservative candidate in an above post. One of the things in your mind that makes Perry conservative is his record as Governor of Texas, that others are not “conservative” because of their records, my point is that I have no idea whether or not Perry would of been “conservative” in those instances, that is the point Im trying to make.

        As for my support, Im a Newt guy. If articulation is what I believe is going to win the White House, who do you think I would be supporting. That said, I like Perry a lot and quite frankly at this point, I would of thought I would be in Perry’s camp because of a lack of fundraising (I think I might of been the only one who gave him money in July), I kind thought Newt would be out by now and it would be a Romney v. Perry at this point, in which case my support would certainly be for Governor Perry.

        I believe for some reason, this is Newt’s time, and that this is going to be a significant moment in American history, I just have that feeling. I think if he gets the nomination, that Obama will take him up on Lincoln-Douglas debates, I think they will be historic and I think they will change American politics as we know it. I think with his experience of getting major reforms accomplished and balancing the federal budget, when our issue right now is debt, I think it may very well be his time…3 wives be darned. I also feel that the three wive thing will not hurt him in the general as some believe because in some ways, I think a Newt candidacy essentially does what Mitch Daniels was talking about, I think it takes social issues off the table, which is actually good for the Republicans with moderates.

        I may very well be 100% off my rocker…and like Ive said before, it wouldnt be the first time and probably wont be the last, but like a great Texan Ben Crenshaw once said before the 1999 Ryder Cup finale when the US made a great comeback: “Ive got a good feeling about this”

  • boonerdan

    If Gov. Perry needs you to convince me that he is the right choice, then he is NOT the right choice for me.

    • jakeofalltrades

      n/sense

    • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

      And based on your comment, I don’t think any amount of persuasion will ever lead to your convincing anyway.

      But thanks for stopping by.

  • bzip

    If you missed the excellent interview from Rick Perry on Center Seat on Fox news you can watch it at;

    Rick Perry in the Center Seat on Special Report
    http://www.therightscoop.com/rick-perry-in-the-center-seat-on-special-report/

    It truly was a good interview by Rick Perry.

  • 1bunny

    11/11/11 in Columbia, SC- The State newspaper filmed their interview – 25 minutes. Talking foreign policy, Iran, Obama, military etc. An excellent interview.

    http://www.thestate.com/2011/11/11/2043198/video-rick-perry-interview-today.html

  • conservativeparrothead

    My guess, is that if he truly understood the workings of these departments and had articulate reasons as to WHY they should be shut down, he wouldnt of forgotten one of them. But this was just going to be another “surface” comment about shutting down 3 departments, and he forgot one of them. I think the oops, while it can happen to everyone and has from time to time, was more of a consequence of just another surface talking point, than an actual depth of knowledge.

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    • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

      The list of 3 departments is a great list to tackle for cuts. It was a great list… even if the answer was a surface answer that he failed to recall from his debate preparation, it really doesn’t take away from the answer does it?

      I don’t think Rick Perry is being disingenuous about revamping the Energy Dept… I mean even if he doesn’t win the Presidential Nomination, and go on to get elected President… I’m quite certain he’ll be pushing as much as possible to get the Energy dept re-worked…

      That department including MMS, BOEMR, and DOE have done ALL that they can do to prevent the Oil and Gas industry including offshore energy production from happening. It’s damaging the Gulf region’s economy.

      So I don’t think its as ‘surface’ as you would believe.

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