Self Governance and a moral standard


The latter is the foundation of the former

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. John Adams

What did John Adams mean by this statement? To me it is obviuos. For a people to be capable of self governance as described in the Constitution they must first have their foundation set firmly in a moral code accepted by those to be governed. Many question how this can square with the idea that there be a “wall of separation between the Church and the Government”(paraphrased Thomas Jefferson). Again to me the answer is obvious. Indeed it is not the place of the Government to set or enforce a specific moral code but rather the responsibility of those who wish to employ self governance, to adhere and promote a moral life despite the government.


Now in years past the moral code was easier to promote and pass on from generation to generation. It was easier because the family and greater community had direct control over how and what was taught to the next generation of Americans. This, unfortunately, changed with the creation of state runs schools and intitutions of higher learning. Gone are the days of the Bible being used to teach the beauty and function of the English language. Gone are the days of black and white moral positions. These have been replaced. Now we are given situational ethics and “See Dick Run”. Surely we underestimate our own ability to aquire knowledge and display wisdom.

We have gone from Theocracy under the reign of King George, to self governance under the direction of the Constitution and the Founders who brought that document to the people, to derision of religion in the guise of “objectivity” resulting in Democracy without the benefit of the structure of the Republic. Each peice of freedom that we cede to the control of the central planners in the beauracracy erodes the next freedom. Each time we decline to follow the moral code we also decline our Divine right to self governance.

The moral code, of which I speak, is not Christianity for all, rather I speak of accepted truths that go beyond any one religion. These are best summed up, in my mind, in the last six of the Ten Comandments.

Honor your father and your mother (snip) so that your days may be long and that it may go well

You shall not murder(don’t start on the death penalty or war…murder has a wholly different meaning than kill..if you comment on this you will be ingnored).

Neither shall you commit adultery.

Neither shall you steal.

Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbour.

Neither shall you covet your neighbour’s wife.

Neither shall you desire your neighbour’s house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour.

(I know there are seven here…the last two combine to make the final Commandment)

Now obviously we don’t have a lot of donkey coveting in our modern age but the premise, I believe, is still sound. Nothing in this list is exclusively Christian. There is nothing in these words that should frighten the Liberatarians. Please do not respond to this if you are looking for a fight on Church and State or Religion in general, I am not asking you to believe in God, I am only asking that you recognize the importance of morality to the function of self governance.

In any experiment there must be a constant if you expect to see a measurable result of success. This is also true in the greatest experiment of all time, a self governing nation called the United States of America. Our constant was, and still should be, the moral code by which we live our lives and therefore self govern. The Constitution becomes nothing more than advice on a peice of parchment when we lose that constant. The success of our experiment is in, and has always been, in flux. It is our responsibility to our Country and all the patriots who came before us to re-instate the constant of morality to ensure the continued success of this grand experiment.

I hope and pray that this election will be the catylyst that will bring forth the re-emergence of the accepted moral code and the idea of self governance, lest we be left with only direct democracy and a goverment which gets to choose our path for us.

As John Adams warned above, he had also another warning:

Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There was never a democracy that did not commit suicide.

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Can I get some DRAMA from the Ilk???...n/t

Attack Mode Thursday, October 23rd at 10:20AM EDT (link)

n/t

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 

5, and a #8:

blooch Thursday, October 23rd at 10:54AM EDT (link)

Neither shall the Donkeys desire your house, or field, or anything that belongs to you, above or below $250,000.

“I have to admit that Karl Marx (1818-1883) was a smart man. He was, in many ways, a psychologist.”–drealoth

Thanks for the rec'd blooch....and Yes on #8...;^)....n/t

Attack Mode Thursday, October 23rd at 10:55AM EDT (link)

n/t

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 
 

I got your moral code...

$peciallist Thursday, October 23rd at 11:04AM EDT (link)

5!

1SGinTN Thursday, October 23rd at 11:16AM EDT (link)

Too little emphasis on the founders and the their thoughts these days. I’m trying to figure out how to make them relevant for the uneducated of today. Last night I was kept awake by trying to put together a diary in my head titled “Maintenance of the Republic”. If I can get all these contracts on my plate done, maybe I can compose it today.

Thanks.

Tu Ne Cede Malis
-Virgil

 

Our Founders thoughts should never be far

Marcus_Traianus Thursday, October 23rd at 11:23AM EDT (link)

from our minds.

Great diary.

“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson

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Marcus...thanks for the rec'd and the comment....

Attack Mode Thursday, October 23rd at 11:41AM EDT (link)

With the horse race in full blown overdrive mode I felt the need to communicate of message of conservatism inspired by our Founders…As you said they should never be far from our thoughts and this becomes difficult in the midst of the horse race…Hopefully the msg will find a voice and resonate beyond the Biden gaffe of the day or the One’s trip over the valley and through the woods to grandmothers house.

Thanks again

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 
 

Well said Aaron...Well said indeed.

AceInTX Thursday, October 23rd at 11:43AM EDT (link)

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I recommended it!!, But only so you

PaRep Thursday, October 23rd at 11:45AM EDT (link)

don’t punch me in the Stomach & take my lunch!!! hahaha NO NO Good Stuff Aaron

haha...thanks PaRep....although...I am hungry....;^)...n/t

Attack Mode Thursday, October 23rd at 11:51AM EDT (link)

n/t

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

Thanks Top....send me an email when you get yours up....

Attack Mode Thursday, October 23rd at 12:37PM EDT (link)

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“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 
 
 
 

I saw this first over at TMR where you posted

David Hinz Thursday, October 23rd at 5:46PM EDT (link)

Thanks David....I agree...

Attack Mode Thursday, October 23rd at 5:50PM EDT (link)

Many good blogs get lost due to stupid one liner throw aways…a pity for sure.

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 
 

Thanks for the Rec'd Jack Serious...n/t

Attack Mode Friday, October 24th at 10:03AM EDT (link)

n/t

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 

Just a quick thank you to all who rec'd and got me on the rec'd list...appreciate it...n/t

Attack Mode Saturday, October 25th at 8:02AM EDT (link)

n/t

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 

Bernardine Dorhn wrote an article on incarceration of teenagers

David123 Saturday, October 25th at 8:31AM EDT (link)

She was concerned that there were so many nonwhite teenagers incarcerated in New York City.

She has a bit of a point; as a society, what can be done to minimize crime and the causes of crime?

But she misses the cause of incarceration of teenagers in almost all cases. In virtually every case, the real reason that a teenager is incarcerated is that that particular teenager chose to commit a crime. Individuals ARE responsible for their actions.

Probably the biggest thing society can do to reduce crime and incarceration is to teach individual responsibility and right vs wrong instead of nuanced morality.

David123

Brilliantly stated eternal truths my man - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, October 25th at 11:41AM EDT (link)

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AARON....DON'T SAY THANK YOU IN THE COMMENTS!!!!!

$peciallist Saturday, October 25th at 11:53AM EDT (link)

just kidding…Gotcha

 
 
 

Leftists understand this Aaron.

stang Saturday, October 25th at 12:05PM EDT (link)

It is the reason for their unrelenting attacks on religion and morality in general. They know that it will be impossible to destroy capitalism and this country and to impose their marxist tyranny so long as moral absolutes continue to exist.

Political correctness, revisionist history and the deconstruction of our words and their meanings are all tools being marshalled against us in the left’s effort to destroy our country. See Orwell.

Make no mistake. This is the key battleground in the war for the survival of our republic!

You are to be commended for pointing this out once again AG!

“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.”

John Locke

We don't appreciate such a racist proposal

Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, October 25th at 12:06PM EDT (link)

kidding

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Thanks Stang....

Attack Mode Saturday, October 25th at 1:38PM EDT (link)

The communist and socialist left are indeed afraid of morality as it is the greatest weapon against subjugation, which is the end intent of all those who would wish to be our leaders (read as masters) rather than our representatives.

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 
 
 

Disagree slightly

Alberta Sunday, October 26th at 1:46PM EDT (link)

Ive been reading Gibbons, and he puts forth the argument that when the higher orders of society started to abandon what he calls “Roman Manners” the lower orders followed.

My slight disagreement with you is when you put forth: Indeed it is not the place of the Government to set or enforce a specific moral code but rather the responsibility of those who wish to employ self governance, to adhere and promote a moral life despite the government.

My disagreement doesnt come from the theory, but rather from practice. Although you should be right, it should be up to the citizens and not the government to promogulate their system of morality, we often see that this is not the case. When we start relaxing the discipline on people through concepts like “situational ethics”, which you rightly noted, what invariably happens? People slip into barbarism.

To put it another way, I would posit that when the elites of society have embraced the noxious standard of the day, in ours its this leftwing antigod (read antipurpose) prodeath culture, the policy of the nation changes, and this change, I would posit, poisons the nation. Again, to try to be clear, I think it comes from the Top Down.

I freely admit I may be wrong, but I dont think I am. In my own country of Canada, we have an example of this. When Trudeau was elected, he divorced the country from its history of Judeo Christian morality, using government policy as his instrument of war. The support of Trudeau, by elites of my country, who believed in Trudeaus vision long before their was a Trudeau (which probably enabled him to even seek office) was essential. Far more essential then the support of non nobles like me.

And with the Rome analogy, I do understand that I am somewhat comparing apples and oranges (a Republic to a military dictatorship) but I think the top down example of how manners where (are?) spread is illustrative.

Im thinking it over, just now, and I guess your right in the sense that it should be up to the people who make up the elites and government to have a moral standard independent of government
(ie a knowledge of right and wrong). But again, we often see those with a corrupt standard use the government as a vehicle to debase the nation.

Not to get to crazy with it, I know this post should end, but an example of this is abortion. If we were to be perfectly honest, we would acknowledge in the case of an unwanted pregnancy the healthiest choice for the woman involved and the nation itself would be adoption, not the murder of the child. We have seen the government go out of its way (and in my country it is far far worse) to enable people to kill their child. And the results on the fabric of society, I think, are obvious. The government essentially gave a moral sanction to the barbarous practice. I think the government ok preceeds the rise of the abortion bubble, not the abortion bubble coming before the sanction. Again, top down.

Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right.
Abraham Lincoln

Alberta....

Attack Mode Monday, October 27th at 8:45AM EDT (link)

You have many valid points in you response to me Diary and I too believe somewhat that the Elites propagate downward their morals or absence of. But the much greater force in this is from the bottom. Even on the issue of abortion, the decision came from the bottom. One woman chose to take issue all the way to the Supreme Court. Although the courts were the venue of final judgement, the sentiment began at a much lower level. A societal drift allowed the argument to be made. The societal drift was primarily grassroots communism circulated during the 60’s and 70’s. This could be considered as coming from the top of the Global Community but not so much inspired by the elite in America at the time.

The idea is that the government reflects the values of it’s people. Unfortunately, over the last 50 years, the people have been silent about there morals or they have traded some traditional model for a “new” morality that puts justice and fairness in the same category. This new morality is not a constant, rather it is malleable to any given situation.

I do agree that at this time the push is coming to the top but I would still argue that this is only a reflection of what was being pushed from the bottom. One thing to remember is that our government is about 6-10 years behind the will of the people and probably further behind in what moral standard is being propagated.

Anyhow thanks so much for your comment, I love it when someone actually make me think about the theory and it’s applicability in the real world. Kudos to you!!

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 
 

A deflated national debt

pinkonaut Monday, October 27th at 8:49AM EDT (link)

is stealing from your kids.

get off my blog troll!!!...n/t

Attack Mode Monday, October 27th at 9:11AM EDT (link)

n/t

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 
 

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