I honestly don’t know where to begin with this diary…so I suppose I will just begin at the beginning.
Some 200 plus years ago our forefathers took it upon themselves to set about to create a new nation. A nation of free men. A nation that governed from the bottom up rather than a nation that ruled from the top down.
Upon declaring their indepence from the tyranny and totalitarian rule of King George they fought on the battlefields and in the debating halls. They came up with a system of government which derived it’s power from the people. They took caution to ensure that the powers of the government would be separated not only in the three branches of the Federal Government but also between the Federal Government and the State Governments which comprised the whole.
It seems as though immediately after codifying these rules of government, which were meant to establish liberty and freedom for all, some began to usurp those same rules.
Although the names of these groups has changed over the years the political philosophies have held steady in their basic nature, power belongs to me and not to thee. Today these ideals are held primarily by the Democratic party and, to a marginally lesser extent, by those whom we refer to as Rinos, or big government Republicans.
Today it seems as though we really only have one monolithic goverment with various aparati beneath that claim to be soveriegn governments of the States. This may seem like a rather pessimistic view of our current situation, but I will provide a few examples of what I mean, so as not to come off as a melodramatic.
First, I will bring up Education in America. Education, to me, is area of government that is best left to those who are closest to it and affected the most by it. I was reading today an article about the coming budget battle that will take place in the Vermont Legislature. Gov. Jim Douglas, in his inaugural speech, chose to single out Education Reform as one of the many ways to wrangle in the budget shortfalls that Vermont will be facing. The article was good but it made me realize that there was really not a whole lot that the state on it’s own could do, at least without causing more trouble down the road. Here is a small excerpt from the the article:
We can’t ignore the fact that from FY 2006 through FY 2010 there has been a 23 percent increase in what we spend for our K-12 school system – yet we are educating 4,300 fewer students. We can’t ignore the fact that in the past decade we have added 3,500 positions to our schools, yet we are educating 10,000 fewer students. As the governor pointed out, for every three students we lose, we add a staff position, which, obviously, is an unsustainable trend.
Why is this happening? To a large extent, it’s the result of federal and state mandates. Unfunded mandates. School boards are not hiring additional people because they want the challenge of getting their budgets passed. They hire because they are being told to hire to fill a need.
Now, I am new to Vermont, so I can’t really argue for or against the need for these new positions. Although, I direct your attention to the bolded text. The Federal Government has taken upon itself a wholly unconstitutional ability to mandate to a State, and further the local community, how many positions should be created and thus filled and funded. The Democrat or Rino would read this and see a responsibility for the Federal Government to provide funding for this mandate. Well, needless to say, I am no Rino, and certainly no God forsaken Democrat.
The problem to me is obvious, we need to get rid of the Federal mandate. The only question that remains is how the hell are we gonna do that? Honestly, I don’t know and this was my catalyst for writing this diary.
Before I get too far let me offer up another example of the usurpation of which I speak. Equal Opportunity Employment and Affirmative Action. I am neither a bigot nor a racist, but I have no love for a policy instituted by the Federal Government, and mandated for implementation at all levels of both the private and public sector. Now, I am not going to even attempt to provide links to data sets or give anecdotal evidence that these policies are harmful to the Republic and by most interpertations go far beyond the Constitutional limits on the Federal Government, to me they are, well lets just say “self evident”.
Again, I am drawn back to the question, how the hell are we gonna do it? Again, I don’t know.
The only plausible answer to me is that it will take the majority of Americans becoming so entrenched in the misery of totalitarian government that they finally wake up and say “NO MORE!!!”
The saying goes that, “all politics is local”, this is true in that grassroots are needed to secure any political power. I applaud Erick Erickson for creating The RedState StrikeForce of which I am a proud member. But, I am coming to the conclusion that we must be prepared to take our local issues and make them national. We must be willing to band together a coalition of pissed off conservatives, federalists, and libertarians to march to the steps of Congress, pitchfork and torches in hand, in order to change the landscape at the top in the hopes of returning to a Federal Government properly limited to the confines set forth in the plain reading of the Constitution, emanations and penumbras not withstanding.
A cultural, political, and philosophical insurrection is what it took to drag us to this point, maybe that is the only way to get back.
I hope that it doesn’t come to violence in the streets before our collective voices will be heard, but I fear that it may be too late.
If I have crossed the line in any way in what I wrote above feel free to replace it with a cute video of a cat jumping headlong into a mirror, it will pretty much convey the same feelings I am having about our current situation.
Moe Lane
Dan McLaughlin
Neil Stevens
Steve Maley
Don't start the revolution without me !
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 6:30PM EST (link)That’s what I thought of straight away.
10 x 10 x 10 and highly recommended !
Mr. Gardner, I have a feeling that there indeed will be violence in the streets here in The USA, and quite soon (days, if not a week or two), but not from our in-house problems with the left taking our country towards a multi-generational abyss.
I sadly believe that we are about to see something terrible in our streets that will stem from the multiple pro-Hamas/anti-Israel rallies and the adjacent simultaneous counter-demonstrations. There are rumblings that the pro-evil folks are taking this to the next level— they’ll be showing up at Synagogues, Jewish community centers, etc. and trying to have their say by force if necessary.
For our own national over-the-cliff moments, I believe the first real chance of Americans taking to the streets will happen when, not if, but when ‘the anointed one’ starts trying to ban and remove legally owned firearms and invalidating The Second Amendment. That may happen if these murderous animals known as Islamists stake their claim to murdering Jews here, or somebody does something REALLY STUPID like trying to harm the new occupant of the highest office of the free world.
I also sincerely believe that the about-to-be-installed-to-1600 Pennsylvania Avenue former Senator from Illinois/Hawaii/Parts Unknown is completely within his element right now, that he and his minions are the most dangerous people on our planet in the sense of individual freedom and liberty for all Americans, especially the ones who voted for him who think they have had no voice for eons.
I’m not sure of what any other trigger points may be, but when one is reached, every single American who has in their blood the God-given deeply held knowledge of what individual liberty and freedom actually means and sees that being taken away at a base level, the fires will be stoked and then all bets are off.
Am I concerned that there may be no way to stop an actual civil war unless the new administration has a “come-to-Jesus meeting” called by clear-thinking people who will not accept Socialism? Oh yeah. dang straight I am.
As for me, I am completely prepared to defend myself, my family and if need be, my friends far and wide. However, there is no way that I would engage with violence unless I am offered no other alternative.
Cheers !
I would hate to see a shooting war here, but...
CJB68 Friday, January 9th at 8:36PM EST (link)The way things are going, it’s almost like the Leftists controlling the MSM and government agencies are actually daring us to go ballistic on them. There are a lot of signs of this taking shape, from the increasingly belligerent attitude of prominent “liberals” (the antics of Illinois governor Blagojevich for example) to recent blow-ups in major cities. The question, when I asked my father about the possibility of a shooting war (which neither of us want to see happening, if it can be avoided), is whether or not the US Army will take sides with the people who are fighting for their freedom or with the party controlling our government and plotting (if it’s the correct term) to usurp that freedom.
Delusional and Arrogant. The Modern Democratic Philosophy.
I've had that very same discussion...
fmaidment (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 9:03PM EST (link)…with my own father.
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It won't be us.
Achance (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 9:06PM EST (link)There WILL be major civil disturbances and rioting. There are lots of people in this Country who think they’ve just had the keys to the kingdom handed to them and they can do what they want. In the big Blue cities, they’re probably right.
I was a merchant in downtown Atlanta when Maynard Jackson, Atlanta’s first Black mayor, was running. I’ll never forget the jeering from the street thugs about how it was going to be for us honky dogs as soon as they got a Black mayor. And in many ways they were right. First thing Jackson did was abolish the APD’s Downtown Foot Patrol, which was the only thing that stood between merchants and theives and looters. It was open season and most of downtown was a waste land in a couple of years. I sold out before it got too bad and have never been back; Turner Field is the closest I’ll go and even then I cab it from my hotel.
In Vino Veritas
People with full bellies dont resort to Cannibalism
Alberta (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 9:20PM EST (link)Progressive tax rates notwithstanding
Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right.
Abraham Lincoln
But people who think their bellies aren't as full
Achance (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 9:36PM EST (link)as someone else’s or as they could be do. The old maxim about how slaves don’t revolt, half-free men do, is at work here. Fairly significant sectors of this society think they have been pushed away from the food bowl or whatever metaphor you pick. Psychologically, that’s the same as having an empty belly. And there are some people who turn to cannibalism for the sport of it, and I don’t think there’s going to be a lot of adult supervision in a lot of the Country for a while. I know I’m not planning a trip down there any time soon.
In Vino Veritas
US Army will take sides with the people who are fighting for their freedom
olsmithie (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 4:20PM EST (link)It won’t be couched in those terms by the media or the government.
If the government gets to the point of committing atrocities on people or groups that disagree with the administration ,(oh gee), those folks will be branded as Tim McVeighs and terrorists and demonized by the media and Chiquita Holder.
When Clinton had Russians training in Louisiana during his tenure, he also had things like guard units from places like NJ come south to train. The speculation was that local units wouldn’t fire on their neighbors, but troops that had no connection to an region would. And certainly Russian troops wouldn’t blink. (Think UN!)
Was it true? (it being The firing part, the troop training part was true) ,Dunno. Hope I never know. We have to keep busting our buns to get people to the ballot box, and figure out how to keep ACORN from getting federal financing to throw elections for the financiers.
U p h i l l b a t t l e, but we can pull it off.
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fmaidment (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 9:01PM EST (link)The “highest office” in America is not the one located in an oval-shaped room in a large white building at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Rather, the highest office in America is the one in which you and I sit, as informed, educated and intelligent people engaged in political discourse shape the nature of the debate. The President might set policy, but we the people are his boss…
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Agree, Fred......and will add........
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 9:15PM EST (link)that we absolutely need to hold these people accountable for the damage they are about to inflict on our nation and especially on those who can least afford to have any damage: those who cannot care for themselves.
Any attempt to silence our voice, be it through the subversively named “Fairness Doctrine”, additional legislation or other methods WILL be met with what I like to call “challenges” to the left.
My Answer To That.....
rcov092 (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 9:25PM EST (link)I believe that the US Soldier is first a patriot. He would not offer himself to wolves for the money we pay him. No, they serve for the simple, yet most powerful principle that all men are endowed with the right to be free by their Creator and no man can escape that grant of rights.
Brilliant man came together under what I consider divine providence to state and establish this principle as the rightful destiny of man. In the end, the yearning to be free, and the essential truth of the principle will bring the US Soldier to stand for that side they see defending that freedom. They swore an oath to the “Constitution”. The document that embodies the principle, not to the “Government” which the Founding Fathers stated was potentially, the greatest enemy of that freedom.
The government that emerged under that document, is the creation of men operating under that law and principle. Only man can usurp the purity of the principle and tread down the lane towards undermining it.
That battle will be fought by men and women. The US soldier will fall on the side of freedom. They may start out following orders, but very quickly they will see their role as outside their position as “Soldier” and they will turn their weapons and efforts against those that would see freedom subsumed to some elitist ideal.
You may say where do I assume such knowledge? It is in reading about the selfless acts of Jason Dunham (Medal of Honor Recipient – Posthumously) http://www.history.army.mil/html/moh/iraq.html and of CS1 Regina Clark (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fallen/dates/2005/jun/23/regina-r-clark/) also honored here in Redstate by Eric Brockway (cannot find the link) who went to serve and died at the hands of a coward who placed a roadside bomb and walked away.
I too wish to never see such turmoil in our land. However, I have become convinced that the very real possibility exists for its eventuality.
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I've been thinking revolution for months
peg_c (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 10:41PM EST (link)and I believe it will come to that, but not in my lifetime. We ARE sheep. There will be either a revolution (with violence) or there will be a cataclysm (terrorist attack, most likely) that so shakes up this country and possibly destroys our leadership and infrastructure that we basically start all over again. I don’t want to see that but something will happen that will turn this country on its head. It’s inevitable. At the very least, we will decline like Rome. Better a revolution, and I don’t think bloodless revolutions work.
I understand why people become anarchists, now.
Government cannot be the solution when government is the problem.
Aa awesome and as lobsters in lukewarm water
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, January 9th at 11:24PM EST (link)our only hope to stop the slouching towards Gomorrah, only some extreme crisis may enable us to solve what you describe below. But the problem is that the brilliant solution the Founders came up with is not naturally obvious.
You said:
“Today it seems as though we really only have one monolithic government with various aparati beneath that claim to be sovereign governments of the States. This may seem like a rather pessimistic view of our current situation, but I will provide a few examples of what I mean, so as not to come off as a melodramatic.”
You echo so many greats, incl Pat Buchanan, Reagan, Rush, Coburn…
We have some structural and fundamental problems with reducing big government and while I agree that devolving much power back to the states, the facts of the industrial revolution and mass interstate commerce poses a problem as does the ignorance of the electorate.
more later
But one of my ongoing challenges to fiscal cons has been that they need to come up with an actual detailed plan on what smaller govt looks like and, just as important, a transition plan to get there.
more later
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Gamecock...I think you are the only one who got this...
Attack Mode (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 12:45PM EST (link)The fact that many seemed to have missed my point is more than likely my fault for writing this in one sitting and not focusing more on my real point.
Anyhow, just to clarify:
I am not advocating violence, nor am i really advocating revolution.
What I am really trying to do is ask, how can we bring back federalism?
How can we do what needs to be done at the local level when the Federal Government has become so overreaching in it’s authority.
And finally how can we dismantle the overgrown bureaucracy, which currently has a strangle hold on all of our lives in one way or another.
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Federalism is the way on welfare and education
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 1:04PM EST (link)We need to devise a plan to wean ourselves off the fed govt on those.
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GC, I know the way is Federalism....
Attack Mode (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 1:18PM EST (link)The question is how do we get Federalism enacted?
This is what keeps drawing me back to revolution, which I do not want to see, but am starting to believe is the only way.
I dont want to feel that way, I hope someone can give me an answer that allows me to step back from the ledge.
Reagan is dead, WFB is dead, who is out there promoting these ideas?
National Review, Weekly Standard, Foxnews, Fred Thompson, none of those mentioned are able to capture the minds of those who are fertile ground for conversion. They may all be correct, but being correct does us no good if no one is listening.
We need representation in the media, but none will be given because the media is a wholly owned subsidiary of the left.
My frustration is ever increasing.
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Federalism is a partial answer. Not much help
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 1:42PM EST (link)on commerce except in health care and insurance.
Champions? CJ Roberts, Thomas, Alito and Scalia and even Kennedy on education on the SCOTUS. SC Gov Sanford, Palin…..
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Don't be so reluctant to have a non-violent revolution
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 1:45PM EST (link)That is the only way we can reverse the slouching. Reagan had a revolution, but given the dem congress, he was only able to slow govt growth.
Reducing big govt is REAL HARD.
you have read Bork’s book?
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Counterpoint GC: Education and Welfare caused the breakdown of Federalism.
Achance (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 2:00PM EST (link)Remember: “one third of a Nation.” That was the agricultural poor and uneducated of Appalachia and The South, the destitute farmers of the Dust Bowl, and the urban industrial unemployed. The Democrats imposed a “federal solution” to these problems that the states couldn’t or wouldn’t solve.
Fast forward: separate but equal was defenitively unequal and the Southern states couldn’t AND wouldn’t spend the money to close the gap in standard of living and education. Hence, a federal solution that still hasn’t solved it but has fundamentally changed the society and the economy by exponentially increasing federal power over the states.
So, the federalist system of leaving decisions about the welfare and education of the people of a state to that state was not acceptable to the majority of the people of the several states and we essentially ended the federalist approach to welfare and education.
In Vino Veritas
I know. And even I favor a safety net for the truly needy
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 2:04PM EST (link)and the original plan for Soc Sec. And even on education, I would I favor Manhattan projects!
Aaron, help me!!!
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Heh, Not sure what help I can provide GC....
Attack Mode (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 4:00PM EST (link)A lazy approach to federalism leaves open the door for the Federal Government to intervene.
It is the classic double edged sword.
The solution, from what I can tell would be to return the power to the state wrt curriculum and standards, with a minimal framework for oversight by the Fed, of course this would still leave the nose under the tent and probably result in the same situation we are currently in.
As for SS, I think it should be abolished totally. A better system would be to rely on state sponsored pension plans that still allow for portability from state to state. Different states could offer different plans, people would then vote with their feet as to which plan they support. Again this would need some sort of minimal oversight, which again would result in the eventual totalitarian approach that we hoped to replace.
So again I am not sure how to kill the beast.
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you helped - nt
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So, Aaron, is it OK to let the old folks starve in MS
Achance (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 5:01PM EST (link)but not in MN or MO or MT because either the people of MS can’t afford to take care of the old folks or all genuinely believe that the old folks and their families should have provided for themselves? There my friend you find the precipice of the “slippery slope.
In Vino Veritas
Achance, is it ok to enforce equal misery...
Attack Mode (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 5:08PM EST (link)in order to ensure they don’t starve?
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger
“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
Just setting up the question, Aaron, not taking a position.
Achance (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 5:12PM EST (link)I’ll just tell you that you’ll have a hard time convincing 50% +1 that it is OK to let the old people in MS starve no matter what argument you make. The question really isn’t whether you’ll have programs like SS, just what they’ll look like and who has how much control.
In Vino Veritas
I understand Achance....
Attack Mode (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 5:27PM EST (link)That is where my frustration comes from…..we have turned the collectivist corner and haven’t looked back.
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conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger
“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
yes, good points. also judicial overreach by
icbm (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 2:05PM EST (link)conservatives in the early part of the 20th century contributed. if the supreme court hadn’t struck down as unconstitutional so many state regulations of things like child labor, bakers hours, etc., there wouldn’t have been as much of a need for the federal government to attempt to intervene.
Interestingly, those progressive darlings anti-trust laws and the 14th Am.
Achance (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 2:09PM EST (link)were the primary tools by which “progressive” social welfare and education legislation in the states were defeated by the Courts. The anti-trust laws were used primarily against formative unions rather than against the “evil monopolies” against which they were intended.
In Vino Veritas
yes, indeed. but the supreme court should have
icbm (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 2:16PM EST (link)simply shown judicial restraint, a la Frankfurter, and let the legislative majorities in each state pass the regulations they desired. the court set too low a bar for calling those regulations unconstitutional.
the national govt still would have gotten involved and expanded its power beyond the constitutional limits, but it might not have happened so precipitously and without any check. it is possible that with state regulations mollifying the majority of americans, federal expansion would have been more moderate (although it still would have gone beyond the constitution).
icbm, please don't confuse the progressives or the early 20th century with conservatives...nt
Attack Mode (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 1:40PM EST (link)“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger
“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
I don't think he's confusing them, Aaron.
Achance (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 1:50PM EST (link)Conservatives, mostly Republicans, were opposed to the state regulation of labor and industry, even the most minimal regulation. Business and industry, led by the railroads, went to war against state law regulation and the courts all but made it impossible for a state to set standards for a foreign corporation’s behavior within its borders.
The “progressives” of the era were the proponents of such legislation. The net result of conservative attacks on often moderate state regulation was a flood of draconian federal regulation during WWI followed by permanent implementation of much of that federal regulation in the New Deal.
In Vino Veritas
ok I must have misread the post then....
Attack Mode (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 1:53PM EST (link)I thought icbm was saying that the regulations of the early 20th century i.e Wilson’s administration were the results of Conservatives….sorry if I misread…I am a bit out of sorts today…probably should just not bother commenting.
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger
“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
i'd never say that! :)
icbm (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 1:55PM EST (link)if i do, though, i hope you and many others would immediately correct me.
like I said...I am out of sorts today...sorry for the confusion...nt
Attack Mode (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 1:55PM EST (link)“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger
“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
gotcha. (our posts were crossing paths to
icbm (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 1:57PM EST (link)some extent, which is why you were bombarded a bit with replies.)
have a double bourbon (i recommend blanton’s, but old grandad’s will do). that always sets me aright.
i didn't confuse them, aaron
icbm (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 1:53PM EST (link)i am discussing the conservatives who were on the court and how they went too far in calling state legislation by reformers unconstitutional.
i am making a judicial point, not a political one. the justices were too fast to call certain things unconstitutional. i don’t care whether you and i would agree or disagree with the state legislation. agreement with policy isn’t the point. the point is whether the policy is constitutional. and the supreme court justices at the time, from the 1890′s into the 1920′s, too frequently confused what was constitutional with what their policy preferences were.
and since the court kept doing this and knocking down measures that were broadly popular in most states, eventually it was the national government that took action.
the court was both imprudent and constitutionally incorrect. if they had shown more restraint, the national government’s actions might have been less drastic.
nevermind then icbm....see my reply to Achance....nt
Attack Mode (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 1:55PM EST (link)“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
the industrial changes in america also made
icbm (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 2:07PM EST (link)the economy more national than it had ever been, and made it more difficult for the national government to restrict itself to the 19th century interpretation of the commerce clause (e.g., regulating only exchanges at and near the borders of states).
exactly. even if the sup ct hadn't overreached
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 4:05PM EST (link)on the interstate commerce clause, we would have had to pass an amendmnet!
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yes, gc, but the amendment process would have
icbm (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 4:17PM EST (link)been more thoughtful – or at least would have had more of a chance of being thoughtful – than the way the Supreme Court did it in the 30′s and 40′s. they just busted that dam wide open and effectively ended federalism, all within a few years and without a proper citizens debate.
might have ended up the same even with an amendment, but i have my doubts.
I totally agree - nt
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can't wait to serve with you on SCOTUS
icbm (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 4:31PM EST (link)n/t
I will never work for the government!-nt
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“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
If I ever get elected POTUS, I'll sell you both a first right of refusal. nt
Achance (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 8:22PM EST (link)In Vino Veritas
LOL! - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 8:42PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
i'm in. why don't you start by running for
icbm (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 9:00PM EST (link)murkowski’s senate seat.
Aaron, You are dancing with the bear
olsmithie (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 4:55PM EST (link)You stop when the bear stops,
unless we can some up with some incredible footwork…
Regards
Maybe, just maybe…
Olsmithie...I say shoot the bear!!!!.....nt
Attack Mode (Diary) Saturday, January 10th at 5:09PM EST (link)“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger
“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
Let me be a part of the militia
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Sunday, January 11th at 10:34AM EST (link)in my neighborhood and in my office, in a non-violent way!!!!
Can't believe I missed this!!!
birdmojo (Diary) Monday, January 12th at 3:01PM EST (link)The biggest problem is that the people who tend to run are the people who want the power… and the reason they want the power is, in the best cases, because they think that they can do good with it (in the worst cases, it’s about gold, or chicks (or dudes, sure), or the pure enjoyment of hearing people say “how high?”).
The people who get power tend to think that the problem with last time was that the wrong people were wielding it. Look at the left with regards to Bush. It wasn’t that the Federal Government failed, it’s that Bush, or his appointees, or whatever it was, failed. With different folks in charge (good ones, of course, not like the previous ones), it would turn out differently.
And then we see “Compassionate Liberalism” to replace “Compassionate Conservativism” and, again, it’ll fail.
And the leaders on the other side of the aisle will take the attitude that there were two things wrong with the previous attempts. The first is that they were conservative/liberal when they should have been liberal/conservative. The second is that they just weren’t compassionate *ENOUGH*.
And the folks who say “the problem is that the government has too much power!” tend to not do as well in the organization as the folks who say “the problem is that the other guys had the power and we didn’t!”
To sum up: if a revolution is going to change anything, it’s not going to be non-violent.
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. –Voltaire