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Values, Morality, and G-d Given Rights are Winning Issues

Santorum has put forward an economic plan, a path to increase our energy, and his views on foreign policy. There’s one plan which he hasn’t put forward, as the others have, and I commend him for that. It’s the type of plan he had fought against in blue Pennsylvania both as a Senator and as a congressman. That plan consists of sweeping moral values under the carpet because it’s not too popular especially amongst the youth and thereby bidding goodbye to a normal society.

Santorum had been extremely outspoken on the conservative view of social issues during his representation of the state of Pennsylvania, he did not lose his seat because of social issues. He lost his reelection run for the Senate – after winning twice – because of his strong support for Bush on the Iraqi Surge and his calls for serious sanctions on Iran before they become nuclear. The Democrat Party pounced upon the vehement anti-war and anti-Bush emotions at the time and spent millions upon millions in ads against Santorum depicting him as a lover of war and warmonger. Indeed, many Republicans had lost their seats that year, including Rick Santorum who represented a purple/blue state. As an aside, since his warnings about Iran had gone largely unheeded, Iran is now mere months away from amassing nuclear arms and the world is currently deep in debate whether or not to bomb Iran.

Many conservatives are concerned that if one speaks in defense of moral values than it is impossible to win. This is inherently false. Firstly, speaking of social issues doesn’t mean the candidate ignores all other issues. Santorum has a great economic proposal, discusses it far more often than he does of social issues, and released a powerful video last week in which he makes the speaks directly to the voters explaining why they should support him for economic reasons.

Secondly,as  a fellow Red-Stater, Mike GC DeVine, has written a diary several days ago in which he wrote that “Speaker Newt Gingrich is every bit a social conservative as the former senator from Pennsylvania” and that they therefore both carry “the same historical advantage “social conservatives have proven to have. Unfortunately, this isn’t the case with Newt. Newt Gingrich had melted the phone-lines of Republican candidates in 2010 warning them to not dare mention they support a single conservative social issue. This is in exclusion of Newt’s past lack of values and morality in his personal life and his fuzzy political record regarding social issues. Keep in mind as well that Newt served as a representative of a conservative district within a conservative state while Rick Santorum represented a blue state.

Newt’s advice and position on social conservatism has thus placed him at a historical disadvantage as explained by Jeff Bell in the link DeVine had provided. Bell proves that including social issues in one’s campaign agenda has proven throughout the last hundred years of American history to serve as an advantage to Republican presidential and congressional candidates. From 1932-1964 social topics were off the table, and Republicans won only 2 out of 9 presidential elections and had control of Congress for only four years. Comparatively, from 1968 when social conservatism became alive again, Republicans won 7 out of 11 presidential elections. Far more states support social conservatism than states that don’t. Read the entire article for additional surprising information.

The left and media desire to silence the conservative voice on social issues and have therefore resorted to the use of force against morality. They’ve passed hate-crime legislation so they can threaten conservatives who dare to speak out against immorality and have turned to courts and legislation to redefine marriage. They’ve thus forced through the legalization of gay marriage even in states where the people have voted against it, thus proving they don’t care what the people truly desire. They are now attempting to make contraception the new civil-liberty rights as though women are unable to purchase it on their own and are helpless if their employers don’t cover for their irresponsible and/or immoral behavior.

 Santorum had said he wanted to throw up when listening to Kennedy’s phony separation of church and state speech in which Kennedy misinterpreted the true intentions of the founding fathers. Indeed, thanks to Kennedy’s revised definition, the liberals have been able to force their ideology upon the American people such as banning all religion from all public arenas including the mention of G-d’s name in public schools.

 Lastly, If the last hundred years of history in is country is not enough to sway your belief that social issues are a detriment, or you dismiss it as merely coincidental, here’s proof from the last couple of years. Think of liberal California which is the bastion of liberalism. Despite their liberalism, the people of California have spoken out against their legislators and supported proposition eight which overturned the legislation which legalized gay marriage.

 Here’s an even more recent example and one which I’ve experienced from up-close.

 I am an Orthodox Jew from Brooklyn and live near NY9 of which the disgraced congressman Anthony Weiner was forced to resign. Both parties chose candidate to represent them in a district where the GOP hadn’t won a nomination in close to hundred years and was sure to lose once again. If this was the case when they put forth polished politicians, then it was certainly a given if an unknown candidate without any charisma, money, or political experience were to compete. Yet, this is exactly the type of guy the GOP had put forth for they had no-one else willing to run; a non-politician with limited money, no professional smile, and absolutely zero experience in running a campaign.

 The Donkey Party, on the other hand, handpicked an Assemblyman who was an experienced fundraiser, had many political connections, and loaded with charisma. To top it off, the Democratic candidate was a Jew and NY9 is a district where 33% of its voters are Jewish. It was thus clear to all from the start that Weprin, the Democrat candidate, was heading to a landslide victory.

 However, one seemingly minor item went unnoticed to the Democrat party heads in their nomination of their candidate. They were surely aware of it, but didn’t dream of the effect it would have on the voters. Weprin, the Democrat candidate, had voted several months earlier to legalize gay-marriage in New York. Prior to the vote in the Assembly, Weprin had stood up and addressed the Assembly.  He said that he asked his Rabbi if he would officiate a wedding between a Jew and a gentile, to which his Rabbi replied, “Absolutely Not.” Weprin then used this to “prove” that just as no law would enforce his or any religious leader to do the above until now, the current law won’t mandate any religious leaders to act against their belief. Weprin finished off in expressing pride on his vote for this “civil rights” bill and encouraged others to throw their support behind it as well.

 Listen closely, my fellow conservatives. The election between Turner and Weprin took place last year. It came on the heels of the success of the Tea Party in 2010 which was instrumental in obtaining many seats in Congress through the focus on the economy and Obamacare. The Republican candidate in NY9, Bob Turner, could’ve chosen to focus on the economy –as was actually expected of him. Instead he chose to also spend considerable focus on something Gingrich said we dare not touch in 2010 especially in non-conservative districts; social issues. And as is now known to all, Bob Turner is currently the Congressman for NY9 and is actually gearing up to run for the Senate since his seat is disappearing due to redistricting.

Social issues have proven time and again to help conservative candidates, not the other way around despite the media attempts to spin it as such. And to repeat once again, supporting moral values is NOT a contradiction to being a fiscal conservative, correct on foreign affairs and many other issues.

In addition to social issues, Santorum shared the conservative viewpoint in his opposition against amnesty, TARP, government mandates, government take-overs, and phony global warming-turned-climate change to name a few. Although Newt now speaks the conservative talk, his record shows he’s walked the liberal walk in all of the above.

G-d desires morality. No religion in the world’s history except the liberal religion has proclaimed that marriage is anything else but between a man and woman/women. Thanks to liberalism many school children are now taught against their parents’ will that same-gender marriage is equal to traditional marriage!!

Why would someone who believes in a G-d who runs every aspect in the world want to throw morality under the bus simply because it has because unpopular amongst some? Why wouldn’t you stand up and support a candidate who respects morality and isn’t afraid to defend G-d’s will in public? All we need is the courage to stand up for what’s right and you’ll be pleasantly surprised that a majority of the country still respects a moral society.

Abie Rubin blogs at The Thinking Voter and can be followed on Twitter.

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  • littlehouse18

    ” Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. ”

    Without morals society degenerates and when there is no higher basis for right or wrong, tyrannical forces can gain control. It no longer becomes what God wants but what “I” want and should be able to force on others.

  • littlehouse18

    by radical gay groups during his Senate run. Newt and especially Mitt will also be subjected to this. The thing is, they’re not going to vote for us anyway.

    And don’t forget Bob Casey Jr. running on his dad’s coattails. Could even be that some thought he was his dad.

    • http://thethinkingvoter.blogspot.com abierubin

      I simply attempted to explain that it wasn’t radical gay groups on its own which led to Santorum’s defeat since they had targeted him in the previous elections as well yet remained unsuccessful.

      Indeed it was the combination of it all including Casey Jr., anti-war / anti-Bush emotions led to Santorum having lost their seat.

  • zachv

    “Many conservatives are concerned that if one speaks in defense of moral values than it is impossible to win.”

    That’s certainly not true! Social issues and the idea of American exceptionalism help form the backbone of this country. We are the great nation we are, because of our work ethic, our willingness to embrace both the Individual and the Community and our strong belief in core family values.

    But you’re dead wrong.

    It’s perfectly fine for you to voice your moral opinions in the public square. To pray, make devotion or worship openly is wonderful and beautiful. That’s at the core of this country. But it is NOT at this core of this country to force upon others the morals of your religion and use them to attack and degrade women, gays, racial minorities or any other fellow American.

    We have the Freedom of Religion in this beautiful land, which means you don’t get to impose your religious beliefs on other people. My God is my God. Your G-d is your G-d. It says gay marriage is a sin in the literalist reading of the Bible? That’s great. Show me where it says that in the Constitution.

    • rednation

      Every time we pass laws it’s enforcing morality.

      Santorum is not out of line at all. In fact, at least he’s not a hypocrite about it. And your comments about him are not accurate, he’s not a theocrat.

      “and use them to attack and degrade women, gays, racial minorities or any other fellow American. ”

      This tone and others in the same post is straight out of Daily Kos.

      I noticed tons of your past posts were on gay rights. I wonder why…

      • garfieldjl

        I’d say they are just as likely to be paid Romney supporters, it’s kinda hard to tell the difference between the two cause they often use the same attacks.

        • rednation

          Though I have heard it’s been a desire of Soros and other liberal think tanker outfits to register on the most popular conservative blogs and sites, to mislead the naive who might be well intentioned but lead-able and gullible, with mole liberals who try to push their agenda by pretending to be conservatives who have “libertarian” views on things, and attempt to disarm their way into the conversation by making it seem like they are “one of us” as a tactical trick.

          The idea is you work into many posts liberal memes, hoping to infect the conservative community with their framing of issues, so that the naive new conservatives are made progressively more moderate.

          I strongly suspect this might actually be happening, from reading thousands of posts on many right wing blogs…

          • Scope

            supporters who call themselves libertarians, but in many cases are closer to the liberals on many issues. I’ve read tons of people saying that they have libertarian leanings, but don’t seem to realize that conservatives want the same small government, lower taxes, and less spending, just not to the degree that some of the more than leaning libertarians want.

            As to the social issues, the liberals are all in for same sex marriage, abortions, sex change operations for prisoners LOL, and they are willing to pay for some of those issues with government monies, even if to just push them as equality issues.

          • acat

            If not, then we are in agreement.

            If so, then we’re still going to disagree about this.

            Mew

          • Scope

            I’ve seen over and over when the liberals come together, circle their wagons, get on the same page, and push and promote their positions. I’ve found it hard to believe that all those that consider themselves liberal would be so much in unison with their message, but they are. If there is one thing to be said for the liberals, it is that even if they personally disbelieve something, they still hold their band of liberalism together. Look at the leftist media, do every one of them hold the same beliefs that they espouse on TV? It’s almost like a liberal 11th commandment code.

          • acat

            Liberals do move in lockstep .. at least when they’re aware they’re being observed. They keep their fights behind closed doors.

            Conservatives of all stripes (even the libertarian-leaners) on the other paw, have our disagreements right here in public.

            I think we’re better off for it, even if it does get rather heated.

            Mew

          • zachv

            Just sayin’. n/t

          • zachv

            ” … to mislead the naive who might be well intentioned but lead-able and gullible …”I guess I can take that as a complement if that means I’m pretty darn persuasive? =)

            No, what it boils down to (I think) is a generational gap between you and I. I’m 22, a college student and pretty cosmopolitan in the sense that I’m fluent in German and English, have spent considerable amount of time overseas and socialize with a lot of differently ethnic people.

            So compared to a lot of my peers, I’m more “socially conservative” than them. But compared to yourself, I’ve been exposed to a heck of a lot of different thinking that has turned me away certain aspects of “socially conservative”. EG, while I fully embrace the SoCon ‘stance’ on social issues such as drugs, illegal immigration, education, guns, abortion, suicide, etc., I don’t support a lot of the dialogue that surrounds the debate on gay marriage, immigration or state endorsement of religious beliefs.

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          People seem to think you’re a paid shill for Newt.

          • avagreen

            nt

          • civil truth

            …especially those whose names are red. It’s not one person, one vote here at RedState.

          • civil truth

            I forgot about dead white cats…

    • rednation

      “Gay men and women want to get married BECAUSE they respect the tradition of marriage. They WANT to be able to stand up in front of their family and friends and vow lifelong commitment to their partner

      • aesthete

        Zachv has been pretty upfront about the fact that he’s gay and that he differs from the typical RSer on those issues. Do you disagree with the standard GOP position in any area? Is it an “agenda” when you do?

        Discussion goes much more smoothly when one does not assume bad faith on your opponent’s part based on scant or non-existent evidence.

        • rednation

          Too many sites with posters who use the language of the left and it’s arguments, the tone, the accusations (usually) tend to expose what is really going on, which is a liberal plant trying to fool the naive into adopting left issue framing, in particular.

          The described poster who should have other issues sure spends a lot of time on one issue.

          As far as the standard GOP position. I am a conservative, a member of the Republican party, who I am seriously considering giving up on due to THEM leaving ME.

          One should not conflate GOP with conservative. Even though some conservatives are GOPrs.

          This is a party that pushed McCain and now Romney on us,

  • dragan

    You need to understand that America as a whole is socially conservative to a good extent. We are not the Netherlands. I live in San Francisco and even here the gay marriage bill got defeated. If that bill cant win here, it can’t win anywhere. The primary reason why the bill lost was the fact that the liberals were trying to redefine marriage as opposed to making sure the LGBT community’s rights were ALSO protected. I would go on to say that the notion of schools teaching children about gay marriage is downright fear mongering, probably based on minimal anecdotal evidence.

    Candidates win primarily due to the solutions they provide to existing problems along with their charisma. In the process, the candidates weigh in on THEIR beliefs on social issues which forms a less significant but important part of the candidate’s resume. A candidate’s social beliefs dont make or break a campaign.

    In the case of Santorum, his economic policies are at best weak and at most completely against conservative principles. His foreign policies look ok. The problem is, he tends to spend LOT more time on social issues than is warranted. See the flaw here ? When you spend more time on things that are important but less significant then the candidate is perceived as weak and more often rightly so. So it is disingenuous when you highlight that a candidate wins on social issues

    Would you hire me in your firm if during the interview I talk MORE on my social issues, moral values, contraception etc as opposed to clearly elucidating my skills to help your firm ? I am sure NOT. My moral are important but less significant than my skills needed to excel at your firm

    For the record I am a conservative and a rational one

  • rednation

    Santorum does NOT overdue social issues. If anything, he does not talk about them enough, but at least he has the guts to put it out there.

    One big fiction created by the advocacy liberal media and faux conservatives is this idea that Santy is all about social issues. On the stump, he spends little time on them,

    The recent porn flap, engineered by the media, is a good example.

    Many are saying “there he goes again!”

    except…it was a hit piece to build phony perception by TDC assisted by Romney shill Matt Drudge, who also published a picture of Santorum in front of a college religious audience, dressed that way with a cross behind him, to build this fantasy of him being a theocrat hell bent on “imposing his views on all of us”

    All 3 major candidates have the SAME position on upholding current (note that word, current) on books obscenity laws.

    Only Rick is attacked over it.

    Over a 4+ months old post on his issues page on his campaign site, which he has never discussed on the trail/stump.

    See: http://www.punditandpundette.com/2012/03/tired-of-talking-abour-contraceptives.html

    Your assertion that he overdoes social issues is clearly false, and it’s due to this media manipulation that you think that, since it’s not based in reality. Watch his speeches and do the math.

    In any case, “social issues” ARE economic issues, they are tied. And some of the biggest issues we face are those social issues. Frankly, since Santorum is the 1st politician to correctly discuss the 1947 Everson ruling, he’s light years in front of any body else running.

    Actually, spending a lot more time on social issues is exactly what America needs, like it or not. Liberals will spend tons of time on them in the wrong way, harming the fabric of the nation in ways that have to be answered 24/7. And, no liberal ever worried his candidate spends too much time talking about social issues.

    Gee, I wonder why…

    • Finrod

      See, that’s the problem with Santorum supporters. They’ll whine endlessly about how Newt sat on a couch with Pelosi, never noticing or caring that Newt now says that was the biggest political mistake of his career, and then they’ll kvetch like a stuck pig when people take note of what their candidate said and posted himself without prompting, without even being part of a gotcha interview.

      Can you point to me where either Gingrich or Romney have promised to crack down on pornography on the Internet? You can’t, because Gingrich at least knows that it would be unconstitutional. As Neil Stevens put it recently, the government does NOT have the constitutional authority to regulate vice. In the past, the primary means of distributing media was via the Post Office, which the government does run, which meant the government did have a say in what could be delivered to peoples’ homes.

      But the government does not control the Internet, and hasn’t ever since the Arpanet went away. (Under Arpanet rules, commercial activity period was verboten.) So unless you can point to the precise part of the Constitution (I’ll save you time, you can’t) where the government has been given the authority to regulate vice, or the states have been denied that authority, then what you are advocating is better known as Big Government Conservatism, and the only difference between you and the liberals is how you want to abuse our Constitution. Sorry, but no thanks.

      • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

        internet porn, exactly the same way they are controlling internet gambling. Lock down the ability to make credit card transactions. Potentially, they have the ability to exercise a fair amount of control over e-commerce and I find that scary as hell.

        And, I’m 99% sure that Santorum doesn’t give anymore of a damn about constitutional rights than Obama does, just for different reasons.

        • aesthete

          and pervasive than internet gambling — and can be obtained without any sort of financial transaction through a variety of mediums.

          Additionally, our laws on obscenity are quite vague, and not supported by a cavalcade of people, anyways. This is just Ricky being a moron and trying to stretch current laws to places where they weren’t meant to go, and where the public doesn’t want them to go. Ricky is not just “enforcing the laws on the books”; he’s looking to enforce them in ways that he personally prefers. (That’s why you don’t pass un-Constitutional or broad, sweeping legislation with poorly-defined terms, folks!) This sort of crap is why I would worry about a Ricky-appointed AG.

          The internet gambling bill was stupid, but “cracking down” on internet pornography in any substantive way would be impossible without shutting down the internet as we know it. I suspect that those defending Santorum either have no idea how feasible outlawing hardcore pornography is, or just don’t care about the details and like how it sounds.

  • kowalski

    I was talking with my Dad tonight about morals from the late 50′s to the current time and basically it was a short conversation. When he grew up, there was 1 girl in high school who got pregnant in her Senior year. She didn’t go on the government dole. There was also a guy who was arrested after being accused of rape, and he didn’t make it to the police station. And that was the end of that, and it was a better place for everyone. You get some scumbag who rapes a girl and he just disappears before he gets fingerprinted. And magically all the girls wound up having good careers and most of them have great families.

    America has turned itself into a moral hellhole and frankly, it’s going to have to run its course before it turns around.

    • kowalski

      Because this country is thoroughly debauched in every way it possibly can be. You have middle-school students in California turning in their porn star teachers after finding them online in porn videos, and then then nobody shows up at the school – no parents at all – for the hearing.

      And when I say that guy *disappeared* I mean it. Never heard from again, and nobody went looking. I’m not interested in hearing from gays about morality, either. Really. I’m not.

    • acat

      I absolutely agree, Kowalski, that we’ve got quite the state of societal decay.

      I will point out that, in the late ’50s, a significantly higher percentage of urban and suburban American men had combat training and kept their service pieces in their night stands or in their cars. (thus, the guy who was accused of rape)

      We’ve lost much .. heck, just considering the 1950s as halcyon bygone days is a little disturbing .. and I see no sign that we’re anywhere near bottom.

      Heh. I ran across this fun little article from Sweden discussing when .. not if .. we’ll get to the fourth box.

      As this is a global blog, I need and want to explain the American wordplay here. These

    • Ann2012

      It made me think of something that I

      • 10ab

        But these posts about the “glorious” 50′s have left me completely speechless and a little sick.

      • acat

        Paraphrase of Toynbee, who is now quite out of fashion.

        It’s not at all a silly observation you make .. it’s simply one that’s counter to the prevailing political correct vibe.

        I would point out that, while the 1950s were different, the public faces were more scrubbed and buffed, the dirty laundry was kept behind the scenes … they weren’t a paradise… but I already said that above.

        Mew

        • Ann2012

          I

          • acat

            of the idolization you mention would be Creedence Clearwater Revival .. who had never been anywhere near a bayou but wrote “Born on the Bayou” … Clear evidence of deep-south blues, eh?

            In short, I get what you’re sayin’ and am agreeing with you.

            Mew

          • funwithknives

            your heart is in the right place. Every era had it’s good and bad and IMHO, Black music of every kind and rock in general had it good from the 50′s throught the mid-Seventies. Real talent and a vast variety of types, Metamorphing continually.

            Now it’s Auto-Tune and the same 4 or 5 back-beats, and that is it. You gotta go out and look for real talent, and look good and hard.
            Does this suggest a lack of independent thought and real creation, in this sphere??
            Ab-So-Lute-Ly so. But there I go, gettin all Racial again……

          • Ann2012

            …I would agree with you that the best was within the timeframe you mentioned. At least we have YouTube to go back and revisit that time.

            To change the subject I don

          • Ann2012

            Yippy!!!

  • unsk

    “Values, Morals and God Give rights are winning issues”.

    Couldn’t agree more.

    It’s just that Santorum’s approach to them oversteps our constitutional liberties to impose his own moral values. In doing so he does great harm to those of us who want to fight for moral values and religious freedom.

    The present administration has on several issues deeply abused our rights to religious liberty. Buraq Hussein’s latest ploy was to demand mandatory funding for abortificants and contraception from all hospitals including Catholic ones.

    This was a clear trap. Buraq wanted to change the subject from his abuse of religious liberty to contraceptive rights. Newt replied on point and demolished Obama’s approach. Santorum as is his nitwit way bit hook, line, and sinker by seeming to want to ban contraception. That really helped Obama change the subject from his abuse of religious freedom which was the issue, not contraception.

    I personally feel abortive contraception is immoral and a taking of a life. However, politically banning contraception has little political or legal legs to stand on.

    There are a great many moral issues that have great Constitutional backing and foundation such as a ban on partial birth abortion, a ban on government funding for contraception and abortions, equal treatment for fathers, and a prohibition on the welfare incentives that encourage unwed mothers, etc.
    Santorum could effectively argue all those things and would help the cause tremendously, but he always wants to go on own personal crusades on fringe issues that have no constitutional foundation like his support for sodomy laws.

    The freedom of religion not only includes the right of you to practice your religion as you see fit ( as long as you don’t hurt anyone as muslims often do) but it also includes the right for others to practice their religion in ways that you may not agree with. Santorum has repeatedly crossed over that line.

    But now Rick has really gone and done it with his proposed ban on internet porn. This is a loony, ridiculous proposal. First of all, closing down internet porn sites hosted in the US will do absolutely nothing. All those providers of porn would have to do is to reroute their wares to a site offshore, and many of those porn sites are already hosted offshore anyway. And the only effective way to stop internet porn would be to filter and censure content at your computer. Is that what you really want? Do we really want a government agent censuring what we view?

    Funny thing about a lot of Rick’s proposals – they always seem to when taken to their logical conclusion end up being a road to fascism. I’m sorry that is wholly unacceptable.

    • http://thethinkingvoter.blogspot.com abierubin

      this is a old news report that can answer your smear.. unsk…. Three of the leading GOP 2012 Presidential candidates have made statements committing to enforce existing federal obscenity laws if they are elected, while the current administration still refuses to enforce federal obscenity laws prohibiting distribution of hardcore pornography, according to Morality in Media.
      Morality In Media launched efforts in October 2011 to contact the 2012 presidential candidates, including President Obama, to obtain their respective views on the enforcement of obscenity laws. Thousands of individuals sent emails, made calls and even spoke to the candidates in person urging them to respond to the survey. As a result of these efforts, the following candidates responded:

      * Former Senator Rick Santorum in a written statement:

      • Finrod

        Show me where either Newt or Mitt want to regulate pornography on the Internet, like Rick said in his own post on his own website.

        Links or it didn’t happen and you’re a liar.

        • http://thethinkingvoter.blogspot.com abierubin

          http://theothermccain.com/2012/03/15/pornographic-politics-did-the-daily-caller-pull-a-media-matters-on-rick-santorum/

          • http://thethinkingvoter.blogspot.com abierubin

            I provided the link in the original comment with a quoted statement from Newt Gingrich from January 9. It’s towards the end of the article.

            Newt and his supporters have resorted to dishonesty and surprised you’ve joined them. This is why I’ve criticized Newt even before I knew who I’ll support from the current candidates. I’ve spent time here, on my blog, and elsewhere exposing Newt’s character-less Al Sharpton love affair and so on.

            One thing I can assure you; At the end of this primary Newt won’t have the respect of even 5% of the electorate which even that he doesn’t deserve.

          • Scope

            for Newt is already being seen. Newt doesn’t poll anywhere in the credible column, anf therefore he is being ignored by the media. It’s just the same when Perry didn’t poll anywhere he should have. Now Newt isn’t even an invitee on the Sundat shows, he’s been no where in his campaign push, he is more than just fading away. Isn’t it interesting that once the debates stooped, Gingrich fell of the radar?

          • aesthete

            his tour with Al Sharpton is by far the weakest. Back in the 90s (and still true today), school choice was an issue strongly supported by the inner-city black community, which had to live day in and day out with the worst of the public school system: so much so, that even the black “leadership” got the hint. Al and Newt went on tour to promote charter schools and school choice — Al because he was representing a group which strongly desired school choice, and Gingrich because school choice has been an issue for him, and for conservatives, for many years. This tour, then, was an attempt to build political support for the proposal. How is this a negative, much less the worst of Gingrich’s negatives? As someone who sees Gingrich as the “least bad” of the options, I can rattle off dozens of things about him and his candidacy that bother me more than a not-so-successful attempt to preach conservatism to a group that isn’t very receptive to the message.

          • http://thethinkingvoter.blogspot.com abierubin

            If you have time read this I have written it it’s a long piece but it lays out why his Sharpton praise is the core of his character he praised Sharpton long after the tour http://thethinkingvoter.blogspot.com/2011/11/resist-we-much-mr-gingrich-for-hes.html it’s acutely scary that a GOP candidate should slobber with this guy.

  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    Two questions are posed:

    Q1. Why would someone who believes in a G-d who runs every aspect in the world want to throw morality under the bus simply because it has because unpopular amongst some?

    That question must begin with the premise that Rick Santorum is the only remaining candidate that does not “throw morality under the bus” due to “unpopularity” amongst some in the electorate?

    Is this the premise that the author is writing under?

    Q2. Why wouldn

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    We knew eventually Santorum and his supporters would focus the election on social issues.

    As for the last 100 years,

    Say not,

    • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

      I just wanted my questions above answered… but you just went straight to “there”. :D

      You clearly have no time on your hands! (heheh).

    • kipling

      Neither Santorum or his supporters have focused the election on social issues. Unless you have had your head under a rock for the past month, you should recall that Obama and Obamacare attacked religious freedom and thus made the issue a relevant one for the election. Recent polling shows that Mr. Obama made a mistake in doing so and now enjoys the lowest approval rating to date.

      Should we simply ignore the assault on religious liberty because it is not solely about fiscal issues. Should we scorn those religious leaders who now stand against Obamacare or should we try to transform them into allies for full repeal?

      Why don’t we all follow the great fiscal conservative leader who has stepped forward to lead us to victory in November? Oh wait there isn’t one because instead of stepping into the breach they stayed home with mommy.

      Fiscal conservatives – and I am one – either need to lead, help, or get out of the way. I am a Perry supporters and will back either Newt or Santorum in the primary. I just get sick of all the dumping on social conservatives from a leaderless chattering clique of fiscal conservatives who talk big and yet produce little.

      • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

        1. No we shouldn’t ignore the assaults on religious freedom.
        2. Of course we should build a coalition to repeal Obamacare.
        3. Not all Fiscal conservatives are not “out to get” social conservatives…

        Is it possible that there is some exploitation of emotion in “issue voters” when people go around suggesting there’s only 1 candidate that cares about social issues?

        I don’t like it when so-con’s are told to move to the back… but I certainly think its presumptive to go about stating one candidate is “G-d’s candidate” due to the fact that that candidate speaks strongest about social issues… it may be that candidates strength when it comes to competence in the issues, but it doesn’t mean they’re the sole proprietor of “morality”…

        You know what I mean?

        • kipling

          If you will read my post carefully you will note that I am a fiscal conservative and I did not condemn all fiscal conservatives but rather a “chattering clique of fiscal conservatives.” The clique seems more than happy to attack a whole section of the conservative coalition.

          Nor have I promoted Santorum. If you want to honestly criticize Santorum then please continue but NightTwister would blame him for an issue that Obama raised. An issue Obama is now losing.

          I have not suggest that Santorum is the only candidate who cares about social issues. Newt does as well. Romeny does if they will win him votes.

          Nor have I suggested that Santorum is God’s candidate or that he has cornered the market on morality.

          • aesthete

            I can say that “a clique of social conservatives just wants to ban activities that they secretly indulge in, like homosexuality”, and it may be true in some contexts. Heck, I could even scrounge up some isolated examples of what I’m talking about. To use this as a cudgel against any social conservative who, say, doesn’t support Gary Johnson would be highly facile argumentation. To do the same in the case of fiscal conservatives who don’t support Santorum is equally facile.

            I’d like some proof for this contention. Who are the fiscal conservatives who are trying to drive social conservatives out? I have some proof that Santorum wants to drive libertarians out of the coalition, so proof that fiscal conservatives and libertarians don’t like Santorum isn’t sufficient for the charge being levied. Santorum *is* the social issues candidate, has campaigned on social issues, has succeeded based on social issues, and has gone out of his way to make himself this candidate. There is abundant proof of this, starting with his campaign website, continuing with his lack of a fiscal plan until very late in the campaign, and ending with the content of his media appearances and the Van Plaats endorsement. Certainly, there is more proof of this than there is that he is running a fiscal issues campaign, or that there is a non-trivial cabal of fiscal conservatives driving out social conservatives, who are in any way relevant, influential, or particularly successful at doing so.

          • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

            I didn’t suggest that…

            This whole string of comments was in consequence of the author’s ideas… not yours… I agreed with your sentiment… but I was seeking your acknowledgement that clearly some believe hashing the so-con dividers is a winning strategy… when you have as you said below 2 candidates that are so-con, and 1 that is so-con if it will win him votes…

            You’re making me laugh, and I know that’s not your intent… but still we can agree without being angry about it right?

          • kipling

            I thought your comments were in response to my post. My first thought was “I never said that” and I responded accordingly.

            I think we agree

      • aesthete

        Some of the top issues on his campaign site (before he modified it to be more fiscal-friendly) were pornography, gambling, and abstinence-only education. He has made several statements without prompting — and before contraception became a religious freedom issue about a month ago — about contraception, porn, sex before marriage, etc. He was the last of the candidates to have a broad fiscal plan up on his site. Until very recently, his campaign focused on foreign policy and social issues. His Senatorial career by and large emphasized those issues. His support in Iowa increased only after the endorsement of a major evangelical leader. He may have broken out into other issues later on (mostly populist piffle), and he did win some support in the late-game debates after some good answers about ObamaCare, but to say that he hasn’t concentrated on fiscal issues is not accurate.

        • aesthete

          the whole “fiscal conservatives don’t support social conservatives” line is really getting old. This site, and the overwhelming majority of social conservatives therein, was strongly in favor of Rick Perry. It’s pretty tough to say that he’s not a social conservative. What you’re looking at with Rick and some of the other candidates who aren’t supported by fiscal conservatives and libertarians is a candidate who is actively hostile to our values and preferences. There is a difference between how Rick Perry and Jim DeMint are received by libertarians and fiscals, and how fools like Santorum are received.

          • texastaxpayer

            nt.

          • kipling

            I was a Perry supporter from the first because I believe he exemplifies all three traditional components of the conservative coalition – fiscal, social, and strong national defense.

            I do not condemn all fiscal conservatives – only the “chattering clique” who take every opportunity to try and bust up that coalition.

            The line may be getting old but it is true nonetheless. My desire is to preserve the coalition and move forward. If the coalition splits, then we lose in November. Falsely accusing Santorum and calling his supporters names and accusing them of perverted sexual acts – as has been done on this site – is not the way to beat Obama.

          • acat

            But then, I enjoy ironic comedy.

            Mew

          • kipling

            nt

          • acat

            So .. your condemnation carries no weight, kipling?

            Good to know.

            Mew

          • kipling

            Perhaps you should look into reading comprehension.

            Weight – an interesting issue for a serial fanboy commentator. Why don’t you stomp you feet and demand somebody define something again? Let me know when you have a positive and substantial contribution.

          • acat

            If you don’t seek to silence through your condemnation, then .. what good is it?

            If the condemned doesn’t know or recognize the condemnation, then.. is it just about you?

            Mew

          • kipling

            Here at Redstate we all condemn some of the things the left says. Many condemned misogynist leftist comments but we do not seek to silence them and drive them from the public sphere like the Stalinists used to do.

            Condemnation is about taking a stand. Condemnation is about drawing a line. Even if those condemned do not know or recognize it, is serves a purpose for others as well as for oneself.

            Now, shouldn’t you be harassing some newbies or demanding definitions of something? I have already given you a partial definition for condemnation. Is that enough?

          • acat

            Shall I start digging through google, and posting some of your past attempts to stifle dissent?

            Mew

          • kipling

            Let me point you to the recent front page post by Repair Man Jack.

            “If I were as intolerant as Ms. Pelosi and her ideological buddy “Comedian” Bill Maher ….”

            Does RMJ not seek to condemn what they did and do, what they say and repeat? Yet, RMJ does not seek to silence them.

            Now, are you seriously going to argue that the vile comments made by Maher, Schultz, etc, should not be condemned?

            As to your threat, please dig all you want you little piece of fluff. Although google can work both ways. Now do you really want to thread jack or do you have something substantial to contribute. Why are you intent on making it about me?

          • acat

            Next you’ll accuse me of moderating from the sidelines!

            Repair Man Jack’s condemnation clearly seeks to change the behavior of Maher et al. Perhaps not to silence, although I’m sure that’d be an acceptable result.

            Likewise, your condemnation, especially since you single out a “chattering class” – must seek to modify behavior .. and the behavior mentioned is “chattering”, the alternative being “silence”.

            Mew

          • kipling

            The whole sentence is: “I just get sick of all the dumping on social conservatives from a leaderless chattering clique of fiscal conservatives who talk big and yet produce little.”

            The behavior mentioned is not chattering but their dumping on social conservatives. Chattering is an adjective that identifies the clique. No mention here of shutting any one up.

            The thread jack comment was in reference to your threat.

          • acat

            seems like a distinction without difference to me ..

            Your end goal appears to be to silence or drive out opposition, to leave the social conservatives in charge.

            If this is not your end goal, may I suggest that you’re not coming through clearly?

            Mew

          • kipling

            When you have something of substance to add, let me know.

          • acat

            Go on chattering, dumping, and busting the coalition?

            Mew

          • aesthete

            I don’t think this conversation is productive without a delineation of who is being called out, and on what grounds. Name-calling can be counterproductive, yes — but might not be indicative of anything more than dislike of a candidate. I haven’t seen anyone accuse Santorum supporters of crass sexual acts, but even that is not definitive evidence for the claim. I think we can both agree that someone like Perry has a better claim as a fusionist candidate than Santorum, and that it is understandable why some three-legged conservatives might not agree with Santorum’s prioritization or statements on their merits, yes?

            Anyhoo, I’m going to do the unthinkable and voluntarily pull out of a catfight between fiscals and socials…

      • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

        I’m also a social conservative. I believe in the healing power of and.

        And no. We don’t have to ignore ignore social issues. We don’t have to make them the focus of the campaign either. You people continue to present a false dichotomy.

        It’s also not about who is the fiscal conservative in the race. We really don’t have one. Since they’re all pretty much the same on fiscal issues AND social issues, it comes down to leadership and the willingness to fight*. I have them in the following order.

        Leadership: Romney, Gingrich, Santorum
        Fight: Gingrich, Romney, Santorum

        Since Santorum comes in third place on both, I’ll go with one of the other two.

        * No, whining does not equal fighting. Santorum’s a whiner, not a fighter.

        • kipling

          Santorum has not ignored fiscal issues nor has he attempted to turn the race to a referendum on social issues. Mr. Obama attacked religious liberty and Santorum responded. So did Romney and Gingrich.

          And “you people” are not presenting a false dichotomy. We are responding to attacks by members of our own coalition.

          • acat

            (null)

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            Even his tax policy is nothing more than more social engineering. he’s not simplifying the code, he’s making more complicated and he’s adding to the power of the government to choose winners and losers in the economy instead of downsizing government.

            As for the rest of his “conservative talk”, there is absolutely no reason to believe it. His career as an elected official shows him to be nothing more than a big-government guy. He’s on record as opposing small government. Even the proposals he’s laid out with any specificity are big-government sops.

            The false dichotomy is to believe that Santorum is any kind of a conservative.

          • aesthete

            Santorum has been talking up these issues, and pigeonholing himself, long before any of the religious liberty stuff wrt ObamaCare started to really crop up. Most of the stuff he talks about — online gambling, pornography, and contraception qua morality being among them have nothing to do with Obama administration policy. Santorum was the last candidate to have a conceptual budget. By any standard, Santorum was until very recently running a candidacy that emphasized social issues, and which oscillated between agnosticism and hostility towards fiscal conservatives and libertarians.

          • kipling

            I agree with you that Santorum is a little late to the party. I also agree with you that he has taken some missteps that has allowed the MSM to portray him negatively on social issues.

            Santorum plays to his strength as a strong social conservative. As his campaign has become the national alternative to Romney, he has broadened his message significantly. But he has not ignored the fiscal issues or sought to make the election a referendum on social issues.

            The diary is about maintaining a balanced approach and not jettisoning social issues because conventional wisdom says you have to in order to get elected.

            Santorum will need to up his game – as will as Romney and Newt.

          • aesthete

            That’s suicide for the Republican party. Personally, I would like for someone out there to realize that it is possible to unite social conservatives and libertarians under one banner as a bid to attract fiscal conservatives and right-leaners — I think that would be a very strong coalition which would energize the two groups currently producing the activism in the party, and it would allow us to field, run, and win with much more conservative candidates than we’ve been able to since the Contract with America.

            Anyways. I think that emphasis on social conservatism (or fiscal conservatism or more of a libertarian message) depends on the context. Social conservatism in state races, particularly where it plays well regionally or where there is a popular referendum item, is fine. Talking about social issues at length in the context of a national election can be difficult to pull off, especially during a recession. It can be done — and I think that the above paragraph is a pretty good way for a candidate to approach it — but it is very difficult. Santorum has the grace of a skiing pig when it comes to these (or for that matter, any) issues; he phrases things in a way that turns people off, sometimes intentionally. We’ll see what happens, and he has gotten better as time has progressed, but IMO the last piece of advice that Santorum needs to hear right now is, “double down on social issues!”

            OK. Now I’m actually out, sorry.

          • garfieldjl

            Santorum is the only one that keeps going and going on those issues.

            While he doesn’t make Romney’s mistake of waffling all over the place, he can’t simply answer it and move on like Gingrich.

            Gingrich manages to answer it, then turn tables on the media by pointing out Obama’s extreme views and asking why aren’t they covering that.

            If Santorum could handle it like Gingrich does, then Santorum wouldn’t be having the problems he’s having, problem is he appears either unable or unwilling to follow Newt’s example.

          • kipling

            To say that Santorum should follow the Gingrich model is a little absurd since the Gingrich model has yet to perform well.

          • garfieldjl

            Only reason that’s the case is they are afraid that if they knock Santorum out, Newt will be right back in this, and he’s a lot harder to fight than Santorum.

          • acat

            And not because he can’t quit on social issues .. but because he’s a big-government pro-union nanny-statist.

            Mew

          • texastaxpayer

            ;)

          • kipling

            Newt is not exactly the paragon of small government conservatism either. Where do you go acat? What is your particular poison?

          • Xasteius

            Santorum has basically stated that he is the Jesus candidate. Didn’t we blast Obama for that in 2008?

            http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/01/06/santorum-americans-need-a-jesus-candidate/

            http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/rick-santorum-we-always-need-a-jesus-candidate/

          • kipling

            I certainly do not support Santorum because he claims a divine mandate. I am not looking for a messiah. I have one already.

          • Kyle-MI

            There is no where in those articles you link to where Santorum claims a divine mandate. In fact, he is not even really claiming that we need a candidate who is a Christian.

            The wording is awkward, but I think his point is that we need a candidate who bases his positions on ideals rather than a finger-in-the-wind type of pragmatist. I don’t necessarily agree with that point of view, but it is not the crazy that you are portraying it as.

          • Xasteius

            If you have to explain something, you’ve lost 50% + 1 of the battle.

          • Xasteius

            http://www.patheos.com/blogs/livingaholyadventure/2012/02/from-jesus-candidate-to-nations-theologian/

          • Kyle-MI

            Because you are going around explaining it, too.

            Here is the Santorum quote:

          • acat

            Will Santorum be going on Letterman too?

            Mew

          • Xasteius

            Santorum talks too much like the Southern Baptist Church I grew up in. I may agree with him on his values, I may be an actively practicing Christian, but Santorum is bringing Jesus into an inappropriate context at the very least. Given his beliefs about the role of government in our lives, I think my interpretation is fair as to the circumstances.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            His wife said something about that sort of thing, but I don’t think it went anywhere near that far.

          • acat

            Anyone seen Gamecock around?

            Mew

          • tngal

            Unless he’s celebrating over Manning going to Denver, we may want to check emergency rooms. This is a day he wouldn’t want to miss.

          • acat

            you may go on about condemning.

            I find it very ironic, by the way, that you shifted from Perry to Santorum as it was the latter’s bribing of Vander Plaats that pushed the former away from Iowa’s evangelicals.

            Mew

          • kipling

            I simply asked you a question based upon the statement you made about Santorum. If you cannot answer then stopping crying foul and just move along.

            I am sure you find a lot of things ironic. However, I have not shifted to Santorum. As of yet, I am still undecided but it will not be Romney. I will weigh my vote as the primary gets closer.

            As you said, my original post was condemning the clique of fiscal conservatives who bash social conservatives at every turn. I have said nothing about supporting Santorum.

          • acat

            Many of your recent posts, both in this thread and in the dueling Santorums-plan-for-manufacturing are in defense of Santorum.

            Forgive me for confusing someone who posts in the defense of the candidate with one of his supporters.

            Mew

          • kipling

            It just happens that a lot of idiocy is directed at Santorum at this point.

          • acat

            I will note that we agreed in one of those threads.

            Mew

      • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

        First of all, Santorum absolutely has spent the bulk of the primary season focusing on nothing but social issues, how do you think he managed to buy Pantaloons in Iowa and gain momentum. Those idiots – or the gathering in Texas – don’t give a tinkers dam about the economy or national defense, they care about social policy, period.

        Now, as to the idea that we need ignore the attack of Obamacare on religious freedom, but there’s a winning way and a losing way to do it. Sweater boy and friends are on the absolute wrong track. Attack OCare for what it is, expansion of government, socialism and (hopefully we’ll find) an unconstitutional reach of the administration. Let the Catholic Bishops take the religious ground, they’re very capable of defending it, we can agree with them without being sappy moralists – which is exactly what Santorum is – and win the political battle as well.

        • kipling

          I see you bring your usual charm and persuasive skills to the conversation. Why don’t you just close by accusing his supporters of engaging in a perverse sexual act and then move along. I have no interest in responding to someone whose ideal of intellectual discussion is name calling and shouting in the middle of the street.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            you couldn’t deal with an issue if your life depended on it.

            So, take up the gauntlet. Provide some links to where the Senator focused on anything during his two year stint in Iowa other than making the US a moral nation again. We could discuss the number of time he’s been willingly led off the rails, JFK comments, allowing an entire Sunday interview to be sidetracked, etc etc etc.

            I haven’t called you any names, I just pointed out that your argument is crap. Which happens to be the same – correct – message every other poster in this thread has pointed out. Everything you’ve attempted to represent as “fact” is not.

          • kipling

            I object and for evidence submit your last diary in which you condemn social conservatives, religious leaders, etc. Anyone who wants a lesson in your type of slander and filth can read your comments in response to just about anyone who is not 100% in line with you.

            Now run along and play with your “crap” word somewhere else.

          • lineholder

            In your comments above, where you state that you are trying to teach acat something, you talk about condemnation in the context of “taking a stand” and “drawing a line”. And you justify your own condemnation of other people who may not agree with your viewpoint.

            In becker’s last diary, he made it very plain that his viewpoint in regards to many social conservatives and religious leaders has to do with their abandonment of responsibility to the government to directly address social ills within our society that genuine would be better left to We the People rather than the government. What’s more, it’s a valid point, kipling. That has taken place, far more than SoCons might like to admit. He has just as much right to his opinion and viewpoint as you or I or anyone else has to our own.

            To say that you can condemn but act as if others can not…isn’t that a rather blatant double-standard?

            And since when did condemnation of each other become a unifying element that will help us to protect and preserve this nation? Tell me how it even remotely comes close to serving this purpose. Tell me how it helps us one whit to succeed in the battle we’re facing right now.

            Somebody explain it to me, because obviously I’m too stupid to comprehend how this type of behavior helps us in any way, shape, form or fashion.

          • kipling

            First, mbecker can condemn all he wants. I am not attempting to silence him. However, reading his comments and the vile things he has said about others, I no longer intend to discuss the matter with him. I assume at this point that the ban against profanity does not count if one uses an *** in a creative fashion. I guess that being respect now includes comments titles with “You are an idiot” in them. Is this the intellectual discourse you condone lineholder? I notice that you do not stoop to such antics. But maybe you condone those who do?

            Second, mbecker does not want unity. Just look at the comments directed at Santorum. “You make me puke” is a not only a high level of intellectual discourse but also a great unifier? Please spare me the lecture. All social conservatives like me are doing is hitting back as hard as we get hit.

            Now, perhaps you would like to point out how the great fiscal conservatives have stepped out to lead. Sure, social conservatives have flaws but I have yet to see a fiscal have the guts to step out on the national stage since Reagan.

          • lineholder

            It’s juvenile to try to justify a person’s actions based on someone else’s, and that’s all you’re doing…trying to justify a scope of behavior on your own part based on becker’s.

            As to saying that I’m lecturing you…excuse me, but you are the one who has post multiple comments on this thread about “teaching” and “instructing” other people, aren’t you? That wasn’t me. I challenged your acting with a double standard on this issue, and made it plain that I see the line of logic behind this entire “condemnation” tactic you’re employing as being not only weak but also counterproductive. Plain and simple, kipling, you sound like some sort of SoCon elitist speaking condescendingly to other people (who BTW we need as allies going into Nov) and there isn’t positive side of it unless you count alienating those we need as allies as positive.

            When it comes to the whole FiCon vs. SoCon issue…get over it already, please. We’re into that window of time when we need to be finding what things we can agree on and rally our efforts around those things going into November.

          • lineholder

            from another SoCon, kipling, okay? This isn’t coming from a FiCon. Or Libertarian. Or Moderate. Or Liberal.

            It’s coming from another SoCon.

          • kipling

            Nor am I acting with a double standard.

            You lecture me about unity yet I am not the one writing posts telling religious leaders that they are not following their true calling. Nor have I written anything accusing supporters of a particular candidate of performing a perverse sex act.

            Where was your condemnation of these actions lineholder? Why the lecture on unity when someone defends their social conservative principles from blanket indictments?

            And yes, I did lecture acat, mbecker, and NightTwister. They need lecturing. mbecker has a particular hostility toward social conservatives even though he claims to be one. When called on it he mumbles something about it being just the leadership and then rattles off a few names. Don’t believe me. Read the posts. These guys are not interested in allies.

          • lineholder

            I don’t do condemnations. I may engage in disagreements during the course of a discussion, but I don’t do condemnations. That’s why you didn’t see anything coming from me.

            If want to get into lecturing other posters, that’s your choice.

          • lineholder

            the opposition. I’ll pass condemnation on them, such as what I did in the post-delivery abortion diary that I wrote.

          • kipling

            All it takes for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.

            You saw the same attacks I did. It is your choice to remain silent but this does not bode well for the unity you want.

          • lineholder

            You seem to be conveying that just because I don’t jump on the condemnation bandwagon at the drop of a hat, this means I’m doing nothing. That isn’t true.

            I provide what information I can, particularly if I think it will help other citizens get a truer picture of what we’re up against in this nation. I’ll stand by the things I believe in rather than sacrificing them. I don’t have any qualms about fighting this through to the finish.

            However, it is my choice on how I respond to situations, just like your choice is your own. If I’m of a mind to try to respond in a way that is constructive rather than destructive…that isn’t doing nothing, kipling. Just because we take a different approach doesn’t mean that the approach I take is suddenly invalid or meaningless.

          • kipling

            I assume since you do not jump on the” condemnation bandwagon at the drop of a hat” then you retract your condemnation of me for speaking my mind openly about the vile comments spewed by some.

            Thank you for your constructive work. You should remember however that some things need to be destroyed before true construction can begin.

          • lineholder

            I don’t know what’s going on with you, kipling, but you’re getting too far into hyperbole for me.

            I’m out of this conversation, starting right now.

      • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

        This diary is about why the election should be about social issues. Then you tell me,

        Neither Santorum or his supporters have focused the election on social issues.

        I don’t see how I can help you out anymore with this.

        • kipling

          The article was not about turning the election into a referendum on social issues. Look at the first paragraph. The article was about not throwing social conservatism under the bus in the misguided belief that you have to do that to get elected

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            The crux of the diary is here:

            The Republican candidate in NY9, Bob Turner, could

          • kipling

            You might want to familiarize yourself with a little thing known as context. You might also want to look up the meaning of “also” as in “also spend considerable focus….” The “also” means in addition to as in in addition to the economy he “also” spent considerable time on social issues.

            While I am instructing you, let me go a step further. You might want to get your facts straight before shooting off you mouth. I was never a Huckabee supporter. He was too liberal on fiscal issues for my taste. Unlike you, I think a strong conservative can be both a fiscal conservative and a social conservative. I like candidates who can do more than one thing at a time.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            wink wink

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            your reading comprehension really is bad.

            Military
            Energy
            Freedom
            Life
            Life
            Unions
            Debt
            State/Local Politics

          • kipling

            Your posts speak louder than your claims.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            I should’ve known since you haven’t moved past kindergarten that I needed to simplify it for you.