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Graphic Posted at DailyKos

“All this 9/11 worship is ghoulish and downright silly”

So says a blogger from Daily Kos, along with the graphic seen here, in a disturbing thread (via Ace) which has since been redacted by the Kossak powers-that-be. You would think posting this graphic would have the blogger roundly condemned, and you would, of course, be wrong. Fellow commenters provided a split decision, but considering the title and subject of the (now deleted) blog they were commenting on was “I Hate 9/11″ … well do the math. This blogger, GW Chimpzilla, will suffer no ill fate or even ill will among the hateful gutter snipes at Daily Kos. Their only real objection is that people like you and I will make hay of it. He’s not wrong, you see, merely imprudent.

This attitude shouldn’t be a surprise to us. Perhaps the particular viciousness of the mocking graphic will catch you off-guard, but the “sick of 9-11″ routine is hardly new. “Progressive” folks have been telling America to get over 9-11-01 since 9-12-01. (Well, 9/13, 9/12 was reserved for mealy-mouthed columnists to bleat about the “danger” of reprisals against Muslims in America which the New York Times kind of American was all too certain would be swift, abundant, and heinous from the bitter, gun-toting, religious nuts in flyover country.)

Take, for example, this article by Chris Thompson, currently of the Village Voice, published at East Bay Express on the first anniversary of 9/11. The essential point of his article was that it was all too dramatic and, really, oughtn’t we just treat it like a fluke and never the more fret? “What really happened one year ago? Some bad men got lucky and hurt us, so we bombed the s**t out of some caves they were hiding in. Now what’s on TV?” That wasn’t snark. It was his point.

Joan Smith at The Independent/UK said it in February of 2003. She wonders when we’ll get over it, and summarizes her position by saying, “If the world has become a more dangerous place since 11 September 2001, it is not solely because of the activities of a bunch of Islamic terrorists.” It’s America, you see. Sort of like, when a person is being mugged, and they punch the mugger in the face; well the mugger isn’t really the only one bringing violence to the street is he?

There is Thomas Friedman, who said in the New York Times, “9/11 has made us stupid.” He said we need a President for 9/12, which, from the context of the article, is apparently someone who really isn’t all that keen on fighting terrorism. Or Bill Press at CNN who in May of 2002, dripping with sarcastic contempt, claimed that during that week Americans were “treated to another long day of gushing, weeping and wailing over September 11.” He had, less than a year after the day, decided it was time to stop talking about it, he’d had enough of 9/11. “It’s important to move on from September 11,” he said. “No more memorial services. No more ceremonies at Ground Zero. No more television tearjerkers.”

This list could go on and on. The left side of the aisle can’t stop telling you to “move along, nothing to see here.” And why should this be? Well according to them, it’s because the events of 9/11 have been invoked for partisan gain. You know what I say to that? DAMN RIGHT.

If by partisan gain, they mean Republicans individually and as a party have gained electoral strength, then they are right. This is not by virtue of cynical fear-mongering, but by virtue of our side, among other things, not taking the occasion of the third day after the attacks to tell everyone to settle down and be at peace. Did they think that was a vote-getting strategy? Hi, I’m America, have we met?

Of course Republicans have gained electoral strength on 9/11 issues. This is what happens when you stand before your enemy with a bayonet and a glare and tell him “no further”. This is how people react to the soldier who stands between them and a bullet in the face; it’s how they feel about great leaders who look evil in the eye and tells it to tear down this wall. Republicans invoke 9/11? You are damn right we do. This is a world which still has those walls, and it isn’t hand-wringing appeasement or peaceful malfeasance which bring them down, or root out men with bombs hiding behind them. It’s steel and blood, not flowers and rainbows, which must at last meet terror on its own ground.

If, on the other hand, what they mean is that cynical politicians and pundits take 9/11 as a political football, treat it callously thus, and twist the significance of the event in a despicable attempt to boost their party in the eyes of the voter … well then they are still right. For this is what has happened on the left all along. It’s part of the impetus behind get over it blogs, and behind articles like this one from Huffington Post yesterday. The comments are a special treat, if you have the stomach.

Democrat politicians prattle endlessly on about how George Bush wasted the good will the world had for America after 9/11. Good will? That’s their takeaway from 9-11 … that Libya had a candlelight service? That Australia had a concert? The towers fell, my friends, and Americans died in horror. Stuff good will, sometimes it’s the fight that matters! September 11th is a political football alright, for the left. They use it to bash Giuliani and to mock us bitter gun-toters. A reactionary bunch are we and please don’t visit reprisal on Muslims, you’ll waste our good will.

Here is a September 11th primer for you liberals out there who still fail to understand it: Most of us aren’t GOING to get over it. Get it? We remember because it’s right, and we mourn because we must. We feel this attack in our hearts, fresh to this day, because unlike many of you we feel America in our hearts. You can’t understand 9/11 because your arugula-eating, recycle-obsessed, weather-underground-admiring, America-hating, Venezuela-loving, Marxist, liberal, “open” minds can’t grasp loving America. Of course you don’t understand 9-11 … you’re too busy understanding the terrorists.

Republicans bring up 9/11? No, AMERICANS do. We remember it and we by God intend to keep remembering it. Get over it? Not on your life. Not this American. Not ever.

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COMMENTS

  • mkcerett

    “Of course you don’t understand 9-11 … you’re too busy understanding the terrorists.”

    Agree 1000%

  • Crowe

    Damn straight.

  • Jack_Serious

    The sickness of their expression is in the two little smiling planes. Perverse is what it is.

  • Mark_Kilmer

    is that we have to see what they keep under it. We were attacked once. That same class of people wants to attack us again and kill even more people.

    People like Olbermann take their cue from these folks.

    Insanity.

  • Jack_Savage

    After all, it is Bill Clinton Legacy Day.

    Let’s Roll, absentee.

  • JKozina

    A co-worker of mine who is currently under the Obama Spell told me two days ago that John McCain is a war-monger.

    Of course, he didn’t have an answer for me when I asked how someone who was held as a prisoner of war could possibly think that war was cool.

    Then, he jumped to the lib talking point that Republicans are fear-mongers because we try to scare Americans into voting for us by saying that the bad guys will get us if they don’t.

    To that I say, “…and?”

    Fear is a great motivator. I don’t think it’s totally unreasonable to be afraid that if America elects someone who is completely naive when it comes to how to deal with crazy extremists, we will be attacked again.

    I almost threw up when I saw that picture, though.

  • RedFox84

    “All this Pearl Harbor remembering is ghoulish and downright silly”

  • speciallist

    Well……….not ‘that’ proud….

  • Maggie_in_Indiana

    for most Americans. Everyone I know even my Democrat friends are still saddened and angry. And yes still want justice. Sadly we have to carry this burden alone,because the rest of the world thinks we should be over it. Like they got WW1 and WW11. Are they over them? Ask the older generation who lived it or lost their loved ones when they were children, they’re not over it.

    No. Never will we forget the day these evil zealots took the lives of Americans who did nothing more than show up for work,or get on a plane.If the sic-o -libs have no more compassion for the memory of 9/11, how can they claim to love this country? Patriotism is not just for holidays and mourning continues after the funerals.

    Tears streamed down my face watching the tapes of the towers fall,and the Flag being unfurled at the Pentagon.

  • Jeff_Emanuel

  • gamecock

    This line from an AP story in the Charlotte Observer on 9/11/08:

    Seven years means we are far enough away that Sen. Joe Biden can joke in a Democratic debate that former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani only mentions three things in a sentence, “a noun and a verb and 9/11,” and bring down the house.

  • StopTheInsanity

    I had TWO UNCLES working at the towers on 9/11, one who left with a punctured lung and was on life support, the other with a broken collar bone who has yet to recover from the pain he feels in his upper body which has caused him to drink endlessly. Now, what the Democrats are doing is saying that 9/11′s anniversary has almost become a holiday to some people. The way they exploit it for ratings, or for their political speeches is just beyond me. My family would like to move on. My 2 uncles are still trying to move on and I agree with what those people said. We should remember what happened on that day, but documentaries of it happening, candidates referring to it endlessly in their speeches, all of that should STOP. Republicans seem to do it a lot more than Democrats. It’s terrible, really.

  • jr_in_DC

    I just saw some newly released pictures of 9/11 just before I read this article. It is enough to make your blood boil to see that the liberals are trying to use such a tragedy for political gain, and that is what I believe they are doing. Unfortunately, my experience with them has been that they usually do not listen to anything that runs counter to their “feelings” (i.e. – see the facts) and if it is too far out, they shut off their feelings (their brain) and, therefor, have nothing to work with.

  • Whitehorse

    Remembering what happened on 9-11 & why it happened does not help to promote what the kos kidz want promoted.

  • South_Park_Conservative

    Our policy is motivated by 9/11, which is why you’re damn right we remind people about it. 9/11 is the reason we took down the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. 9/11 is the reason why we wiretap terrorist phone calls and keep terrorists locked up in Guantanamo. 9/11 is the reason we cannot accept terrorist-supporting nations possessing WMDs. 9/11 is the reason we can’t allow Al Qaeda to have safe haven in Iraq or Pakistan.

    Saying that conservatives can’t remind people of 9/11 is like saying liberals can’t remind people of poverty or lack of health care. The liberals believe that we should act just like we did before 9/11. Of course they don’t want us to mention somethingthey want everyone to forget. The reason we have to remind people is precisely because liberals ignore it!

    Conservatives from Alaska to Florida were moved to the core by 9/11. Most didn’t know a single person killed that day. It moved us to the core because America was attacked and thousands of individual Americans just like us were burned or crushed to death, not by accident, but because of the actions of the Jihadists. We will not forget. We will not allow this to happen again. We are going to kill or capture every one of those bastards until the threat is eliminated.

    Liberals won’t.

  • JoanL

    I hopefully will not ever experience the pain felt by the families who saw the men and women, perhaps one of their family members, they will never know, who had to jump out of those towers to escape the flames. It was an indelible image never to be forgotten.

    • Crowe

      We should remember what happened on that day, but documentaries of it happening, candidates referring to it endlessly in their speeches, all of that should STOP. Republicans seem to do it a lot more than Democrats. It’s terrible, really.

      Documentaries? Candidates referring to it
      “endlessly”?… Really?…

      I’m truly puzzled what you mean. I pay attention to politics and I’ve yet to see a documentary about 9/11 or hear about one that doesn’t implicate some sort of “inside job” or include something humiliating for the present Administration.

      As for politicians invoking it, I’ll not say more than what Absentee did about the importance of 9/11 as a political issue and his commentary on who is truly using is as merely a political football and who has truly learned and desires to apply lessons learned so that it NEVER. HAPPENS. AGAIN.

      We were attacked here at home by radical Islamic coward extremists. 3K Americans were killed (and only that FEW because some brave Americans on Flight 93 prevented that plane from reaching Washington) and you think it’s “terrible” that it’s invoked as an example of what can happen if we’re not vigilant against our enemies those who desire to see us all (that includes you) dead?

      If you want to present what people think, you know what I think? I think your reaction is terrible. I don’t care how many uncles’ injuries you invoke. Those radical Islamic extremist cowards wanted me dead. They wanted you dead. They still do. That’s a damned salient point to carry forward in political discourse until the hateful ideology that gave those attacks life joins Nazism and Communism on the “ash heap of history.” Your misgivings or queasy stomach notwithstanding.

  • Knightbrigade

    I DON’T wanna get banned.. I know the wrath of MOE’s big stick, so I shall hold my tongue towards those lefty darlings.

    This comment struck a nerve…

    ) “If the world has become a more dangerous place since 11 September 2001, it is not solely because of the activities of a bunch of Islamic terrorists.” It’s America, you see. Sort of like, when a person is being mugged, and they punch the mugger in the face; well the mugger isn’t really the only one bringing violence to the street is he?

    This kind of lefty thinking infuriates me. I guess defending yourself and your country is just NOT acceptable to some people.
    It makes you wonder just how that type of person/people would survive collectively if attacked.
    Would said group choose NOT to defend themselves, and therefor become extinct? The fact that these type of people have any say in how MY life and country are defended, makes me ill.

    9/11 IS in our Hearts..and WE shall NEVER FORGET!!

    • StopTheInsanity

      This is what’s wrong with some Republicans in America (not all, some, a slim group). I myself am neither here nor there in terms of political leanings. I’m one of those pesky moderates, but, you say you pay attention to politics, although you don’t pay attention to the MEDIA. Last night, there were videos and “remember whens” of what happened, from NBC to PBS to FOX. Check the schedule, check the listings. They were shown on an affiliate so don’t try and act like that’s not the case.

      You say politicians have to refer to it in order to “keep us safe”, essentially. That is STUPID. Politicians should refer to it, but EXPLOITING IT is different (George Bush exploited it, John McCain I don’t think has exploited it, but is close). Guilianni is the very definition of exploitation in relation to the subject. He’s a man that wasn’t even supported by the fire fighters of NY due to his inept handling of the situation thereafter.

      Then, for you, as someone who seems to simply watch what happens on television and react from that, to say “i don’t care how many uncles you invoke,” is a demonstration of your character sir. My uncles were both working for this country, working hard, and they, like many other 9/11 victims DONT AGREE with how 9/11 has been handled as a symbol in America. Of course, you don’t care because that’s you. That’s how you react and it doesn’t speak on Republicans because your reaction is nauseating.

      While I hate terrorists, and what they have done to this country, I don’t yet compare them to the worst evils of Communism or Nazism, since those are vastly different altogether. They hate people, yes, but there’s a different between what they do and how they do it. Your reaction, again, makes Democrats feel emboldened because it’s such a harsh and negative response.

      Also, to say that conservatives and Republicans MUST invoke 9/11 because that’s what drives them is sad and untrue (that’s not what your platform is based on and if you think it is, you’re misguided). If that’s all we can run on, that’s wrong. 9/11 happened but the country is more complex than that.

  • BlueHorseshoe

    I guess this means we don’t have to remember JFK, MLK, RFK or Vietnam, and Watergate never happened. I remember on the 5yr anniversary of “Mission Accomplished” that’s all I heard about in the Left Wing media. So I guess the left never gets tired of commemorating the Iraq invasion, the anniversary of Mission Accomplished. We just can’t remember what got us there in the first place. I think every year on the 9-11 anniversary the media should replay the original broadcast. We should never forget. If that upsets you or hurts your feelings, don’t watch.

  • TheSophist

    Celebrating the death of thousands of your fellow countrymen strikes me as grounds for questioning.

    -TS

    • absentee
  • rstreu

    damned. effing. streight.

    • Rod_Patrick
      • Mord

        I guess defending yourself and your country is just NOT acceptable to some people. It makes you wonder just how that type of person/people would survive collectively if attacked.

        You want to know how they survive collectively? They put flowers in their hair and sing songs about peace. They try to UNDERSTAND why those people hate our guts and want to kill us.Have you ever noticed that there are almost NO democrats in the military? These people don’t know how hard, mean and dirty the rest of the world actually is. I asked a liberal friend why she thought the rest of the world “hates us”. Has she ever been outside CONUS? no. Had she ever talked to an actual foreigner? no. Well, the free world does not hate america, I tell her. The free world looks to America FIRST when the excrement hits the rotary impeller for good reason. They know that America will step up and shoulder the burdens of protecting freedom yet again.

        I believe there is a time and a place for leftist ideals…help the poor? sure thing! Take care of the enviornment? fine with me. Pass legislation forcing these actions on every citizen in the country while we are fighting wars in 2 different countries? FAIL.

  • c17wife

    As Maggie said upthread, Sept 11 will always be a painful day for many of us. Time moves on and so do we, but I think it very important that we allow ourselves to ache and wonder on this day. Because we must Never forget.

    There is a place reserved in hell for people who would mock such a solemn day. May they spend eternity there.

  • c17wife

    As Maggie said upthread, Sept 11 will always be a painful day for many of us. Time moves on and so do we, but I think it very important that we allow ourselves to ache and wonder on this day. Because we must Never forget.

    There is a place reserved in hell for people who would mock such a solemn day. May they spend eternity there.

  • Strelnikov

    Allow me to quote myself from a diary entry “Thoughts Before The Seventh Anniversary of the September Eleventh Attacks”

    The psychology of the modern left-winger is a mixture of hedonism and guilt: pleasure without responsibility, and guilt for enjoying that pleasure, leading to a kind of political masochism where they enjoy being lashed for leading comfortable lives. Punish me please, says the Hollywood left-wing elitist in his mansion, where he writes checks to save the environment or Obama’s campaign, which allows him therefore to retain his consuming, capitalist life-style, while simultaneously hating it. Such an attitude sneers at the sacrifices made in the last airplane to go down, where passengers tried to attack the terrorists and prevent the White House or the Capitol building from being leveled.

    The extreme pacifism of the left-winger does not derive from a Biblical interpretation of Love a la the Amish.

    It is derived from guilt and cowardice.

    • Tempered_Steel

      I heard a little something some time ago. It went like this:

      Two libs were walking down the street, and came upon a mugging victim, badly beaten. One looked at the other and said “We should find the person that did this to this man.” The other responded “Yes, he definetly needs our help to get over the anger issues he has.”

      Maybe if we give all the terrorist a big hug, they’ll understand. We can Show our goodwill, just before we blow thier heads off.

      • Crowe

        “Remember whens” on the days surrounding the anniversary of the event are unacceptable? Tell that to the veterans on and about June 6 of every year.

        One of the few enumerated powers and duties in the constitution is “provide for the common defense. We were attacked. Talking about the attack is a valuable part of preventing the attack from happening again. Ergo, those charged with our defense can and should talk about it. Not to talk about it is naive and idiotic.

        For you to invoke your uncles again demonstrates your hard-headedness, sir. If you will notice the structure of my argument, I in no way dismissed your uncles’ right to have an opinion. I pointed out that the terrorists wanted me dead; they wanted you dead; and they wanted your uncles dead. They happened to injure your uncles. This fact doesn’t bestow extra moral weight upon your uncles’ or your position on diddly-poo. Had the terrorists gotten their wish, I, too, would be dead. The nature of their attack and intention and desire makes this issue far more reaching than you seem think.

        But if we want to use your way of thinking, how’s this: I worked four miles from the Pentagon and was driving to the Capitol when the Pentagon was hit… would that count for something in your “my opinion matters more due to proximity” game? While we’re at it, for the record, I, personally, am “2-degrees of Kevin Bacon” because my aunt and uncle met him at their hotel while vacationing in Italy and spent some time with him. So I’ll take extra credit in criticizing all future Kevin Bacon movies…

        You don’t yet compare them to Nazis? Let’s run a comparison between Nazis and the Islamo-fascists who attacked us:

        • Nazis: Desire destruction of Jews
          Islamofascists: Check.
        • N’s: Gas helpless innocent people to death.
          I’s: Use innocent people as ballast in piloted bombs (airplanes) and detonate selves in cowardly suicide/homicide attacks.
        • N’s: Deny the holocaust
          I’s: Check.
        • N’s: Desire to subjugate the world under an ideology of hatred, fear, and racism
          I’s: Check.
        • N’s: Manage to murder millions
          I’s: Not quite millions, certainly hundreds of thousands over the last 30 years, but do desire the annihilation of Israel, with the death of millions implicit in that.
        • N’s: Start a world war after Western waffling allows them to build up a military machine and overrun neighboring countries.
          I’s: Thanks to some Western leaders who saw 9/11 as more than a matter for law enforcement and weren’t afraid to invoke that attack, the Islamofascists who perpetrated 9/11 haven’t had the opportunity to achieve that level of power — but, again, not for lack of trying.

        And a similar comparison could be made to Communists. Your lack of recognizing this does not change it.

        Am I being harsh? Nope. Realistic. International politics are Hobbesian. The Democrats’ inability or unwillingness to recognize this has been and remains their most glaring weakness and remains the reason Republicans (or hawkish Democrats who act like Republicans — FDR, Kennedy) are elected President at when national security is an important issue and other major issues don’t dramatically intervene (Watergate, Depression, Bull Moose Party). And it is why McCain will win this time.

        “Nuance” and “Complexity” are too often the defense words for those who simply don’t have the spine or intellectual capacity to determine the salient points and make a decision or call a spade a spade. Complexity ought to be noted, and then cut through with all dispatch — not held aloft as the sacred cow that holds us all back from action. Seems you and Hamlet would have a depressing time comparing complex notes but neither would ever do anything.

        I do not fear “emboldening” Democrats. When Democrats are emboldened they get sloppy and shoot themselves in the foot. Their only hope for winning the Presidential election this year is voter fraud — and I fully expect the Graveyard Precincts will vote in force in Philly to keep PA in the Obama column.

  • Bubba38

    I’m 38 years old. For years I listened to grandparents talk about where they were when they heard that Pearl Harbor had been attacked or to parents talk in similar tones of Kennedy’s assasination. 9-11 was that day for me. I’ll always remember where I was and how I felt that day. I remember lying in bed that silent night, unable to sleep, with occasional fighter jets piercing the night sky. My wife lying next to me – 8 months pregnant. A three year-old in the next room. And all I could ask myself was “what kind of world are we bringing these children into.”

    I was in a daze for the better part of two days. I remember the great lengths my wife and I went to to shield our daughter from the pictures on the television and newspapers. And then on the third day, I came up the front steps of our house after a long day at work to be greeted by my little angel, who said, upon seeing me “I want to be a fireman when I grow up and save people when bad things happen.” I picked her up, tears streaming down my face, put her in the car, and went to the hardware store to by a flag for the front porch.

    9-11 defines me. I suspect it defines a good number of people on this site. It clearly also defines those on Kos that post garbage like this. I’m not ashamed of the person 9-11 has made me, nor do I apologize for the world view I’ve adopted as a result thereof. I wonder if the Kos kids can say the same for themselves.

  • Bubba38

    I’m 38 years old. For years I listened to grandparents talk about where they were when they heard that Pearl Harbor had been attacked or to parents talk in similar tones of Kennedy’s assasination. 9-11 was that day for me. I’ll always remember where I was and how I felt that day. I remember lying in bed that silent night, unable to sleep, with occasional fighter jets piercing the night sky over Washington, DC. My wife lying next to me – 8 months pregnant. A three year-old in the next room. And all I could ask myself was “what kind of world are we bringing these children into.”

    I was in a daze for the better part of two days. I remember the great lengths my wife and I went to to shield our daughter from the pictures on the television and newspapers. And then on the third day, I came up the front steps of our house after a long day at work to be greeted by my little angel, who said, upon seeing me “I want to be a fireman when I grow up and save people when bad things happen.” I picked her up, tears streaming down my face, put her in the car, and went to the hardware store to by a flag for the front porch.

    9-11 defines me. I suspect it defines a good number of people on this site. It clearly also defines those on Kos that post garbage like this. I’m not ashamed of the person 9-11 has made me, nor do I apologize for the world view I’ve adopted as a result thereof. I wonder if the Kos kids can say the same for themselves.

  • StopTheInsanity

    Crowe, you spout endless gibberish. To understand how right I am, just look at how my original post (which you quoted) was deleted. That’s telling. Also, the Nazis killed MILLIONS of people, including handicapped people, black people, jewish people, and more. I will NEVER compare our current form of terrorists to them, simply because I do not yet have to. If you can’t understand how enormous the differences are between the two groups, then you have no sense of history and should stop speaking on the subject.

    To another who just posted, I am 22 years old and 9/11 doesn’t define me. What happened is an important part of my life, and it’s an important thread in the fabric of American history, but for anyone to say “it defines me” is sad. 9/11 was a huge ordeal in my life, your life, our lives, but it shouldn’t make us who we are. How we deal with it and grow beyond a “revenge” thought is how ultimately defines us (if at all). That’s the truth on a number of levels.

    • Bubba38

      You truly misaprehend the threat we fact from Islamic Facism. “the Nazis killed MILLIONS of people, including handicapped people, black people, jewish people, and more. I will NEVER compare our current form of terrorists to them, simply because I do not yet have to.” Your use of the word “yet” is telling. You’re right, the death toll isn’t quite up there yet, but this isn’t just a game of quantitative analysis. There’s greater depth to it than that, and you should know better.

      As for growing beyond “revenge”, that’s your word, not mine. My world view isn’t one based on revenge, although seeing to it that those who perpetrated 9/11 are brought to justice is of key importance. Rather, the 9/11 world view espoused by most Conservatives is one designed to make sure that it never happens again. Think forward, my young apprentice.