There is in this world an enmity, born of envy, toward the rich from the poor. Don’t read that sentence as if it is a lament; it’s merely a statement of observable fact. In fact, understandable fact. This is not, after all, the petty envy of seeing your neighbor’s fifty-inch television. The envy born from poverty is deep and painful.
Poverty, even the comparatively milder version we have in the United States, is an intolerable state. Intolerable not for lack of having iPhones or Mercedes; it is middle-class sensibility that perceives the envy from poverty to be a desire to possess. But it is not the having-not that stabs at the heart of the have-nots. It is life made intolerable not by absence of things but by the absence of liberty. The impoverished do not have liberty in the same way that others do. Liberty to drive to the store; liberty to purchase food. Poverty is a burden of chains, weighing down the soul. It is a theft of freedom. The impoverished are enslaved, not in a conventional sense, but bound nevertheless. It is a state of being that we who love our God wish upon no man or woman. It is a bondage from which we strive to free others through good deeds, charity, and assistance. Poverty is no mere lack of money, it is often a lack of access, of mobility, of safety, and of order; and an attendant abundance of shame, fear, and pain. Poverty is a scourge.
It is a cowardly refrain, on the left, to suggest that those on the right don’t understand this or don’t want to help. It is cowardly because the accusation ends investigation of how to help and, therefore, how best to help. The inaptly named War on Poverty, for example, is inviolate in its very nature. You either acquiesce to particular political decisions or you are to be known a hater of the poor.
If you consider, even for a moment, the possibility that there may be a better way to fight poverty, to save people and raise them up from it, then you must recognize that the left, clutching tight the supposed moral authority over poverty and ending the investigation, blithely and forever remove that better way from possibility of being put to use. Think of the implication of halting, now and forever, the question of what is best for those who suffer. Doing so usurps the rights and freedoms of the most vulnerable societal group, strips them of the one freedom they yet retained, that of thought. And in place of thought, there is incarceration, in a cell of government’s making. This is how you will live now, this is what you may have.
Worse, the perversity of the captors is that they cynically manipulate that very envy – not the envy of things, but the envy of freedom – to revoke the freedom of those so chained, as well as those who would seek a better way to help them.
The silencing of thought – and I do not say it is dissent which is being quashed but reason itself – is accomplished by old and predictable methods that nevertheless work when in the hands of shameless Democrat demagogues and a dogmatically un-diverse media. They work when implemented as doctrine in our public schools and are painted thickly on the minds of the young to hinder their becoming more curious or interested in seeking truth.
If you are on the right, you already know this to be so. It is not something confined simply to the halting of investigation into how best to help the most out of poverty. No, it is evident in nearly every area of debate in this country, even down to itemized policy. Who does not recall the Democrats and their punditocracy decrying George Bush and all who would side with him as child-murderers over opposition to the expansion of SCHIP? On down to the personal level, you heard the accusation. I know this because I heard and read it as well. How, they would ask you, can Republicans oppose helping babies? Are they really that monstrous?
Or consider the stimulus bill. In arguing against it you are never presented with an argument in favor which is based on the merits. No, instead you are called an obstructionist or even a traitor. There was no debating the idea of the spending bill masquerading as stimulus. It was left to you to choose to either be on the side of good, or evilly oppose.
It is to be expected that those Democrats and left-wingers and liberals give not a moment’s consideration to the idea that sometimes a policy can appear to be helpful but actually turn out more harmful to the general well being, and often even to the perceived beneficiary, such as with the war on poverty.
There are countless other examples. In order to stop you from thinking the left will brand you as racist, they will hatefully accuse you of hate, and they do it with the self-righteous anger that comes from their own lack of critical examination. Worse, they will wrap their chains around the entire national discourse with supposed absolute truths and sacred cow ideology, even as they perversely congratulate themselves and their followers for being open-minded and liberal; meaning good rather than bad.
President Obama, far from this fatuous fairy tale of being a uniter who reaches across aisles, is himself a practitioner of “the one truth” politics, which is all the worse in his case for being “The One’s truth”. It is evident not merely in his “I Won” declarations, not merely in the dismissive manner with which he treats any reporter or average joe who dare ask a tough question. No it is also evident in the very actions he and his acolytes tout as signs of his mythical bipartisan or post-partisan methodologies. When President Obama invited top conservatives to a private dinner, it was with one purpose and with one presumption.
The one purpose, politically speaking, was to anoint friendlier opposition that he can later point to when they back him and say even the other side agrees. A fairly transparent maneuver that remains completely unearthed by the servile mainstream media.
The one presumption, though, is evidence, as I mention above, of Obama’s “The One’s truth” politics. He presumes that given the proper setting, anyone will come to agree with him. It is because his unexamined, deeply ingrained, leftist absolutes are, to his mind, unassailable truths which will be self-evident if only the outside noise of other ideas can be silenced for a time.
This, too, comes as no surprise to the right. Silencing of other ideas is thematic for the left. How could Obama be expected to be any different; being, as he is, the product of a liberal upbringing and likewise liberal educational mores, and with his birth as a fully-formed political entity being midwifed by hard-left activists groups and occurring amid the seething mixture of corruption and Democratic clichés that is the Chicago political scene. It is this, the overt and obvious fact of him, which made it all that much more frustrating when some from the middle and the moderate right turned from us toward him. That they could be convinced by the deedless words delivered over a few short months to dismiss the impact that the fires which forged him will forever hold over him compounds their guilt. He suffers from that same poverty of thought, the same aversion to investigation and reason, and that much should have been obvious.
This is not, for any left-minded who somehow continue to read, an indictment of his intellect or ability to reason. In fact I’m given to understand that he possesses both in good measure. But that, of course, is no matter when it comes to the absolutes of the left. “Government must work to end poverty.” That is not a point of view or subject of debate, it is an article of faith. Quite literally, in fact, with regard to the church he made his home for twenty years.
Last week, Rush Limbaugh went before the nation and tried to assault some of those liberal tropes. He spoke of how conservatives love people, and this is so; Love thy neighbor. He spoke of how conservative thinking produces policy designed to help the most people, not the fewest, and this is so, even if that policy is one of non-intervention. These things are not accession to progressivism or so-called “Rousseau conservatism.” To say a conservative looks at his neighbor and sees potential isn’t a sweeping philosophical statement about whether people are born innocent or not. It’s an illustration of the fact that the conservative doesn’t look at his countryman and judge him doomed to his lot. It is a silly thing to conclude that such a practice means the conservative therefore doesn’t know about or believe in bad people; but then, axe-grinding is only slightly less reasoned than leftism.
The idea that a conservative looks at a fellow citizen and sees someone who can be more is rather important, in fact. Because in practice we are, like anyone, seeking solutions to problems, comfort for our fellows, and a nation where anyone is free to pursue life, liberty and happiness. We as conservatives cherish our founding documents in part because they, too, look at a person and see someone who can, as Rush put it, “be the best he or she wants to be if certain things are just removed from their path like onerous taxes, regulations and too much government.” Government operating on this principle governs best as well as least; the least intrusively, the least onerously. We as conservatives look to freedom because we require liberty for ourselves, and because we desire it for all others.
It is on that basis that conservatives look at the failed War on Poverty and expect to be able do something better. We will consider, unlike liberals, ideas which do not start and end in the Treasury. We dare look outside the trappings of Great Society and New Deal. We believe in our time-honored institutions and traditions. In churches and charity and people. Not merely because we believe that often they can work better, but because they enhance liberty rather than limit it. The simplest of minds can understand that given is better than taken, and it is a sign of how pervasive the left’s dogma is ingrained in society that such a statement is neither heard nor would it be considered, despite that those who we oppose perversely insist they pursue “fairness.”
The real war on poverty ought to be against a poverty of thinking. It ought to be against surrendering to the absolutes on the left. We can no longer allow their witch-hunt methodology to quiet us into retreat or send us quivering to the New York Times for scraps of approval. We must do as Rush has done. We must point people to the truth with a loud voice and refuse to cower. The future of this nation, of our children and grandchildren, will be decided by how well we can accomplish our goal. We must, at long last, fight the fixing of liberal ideologies as inviolable truths of nature into the hearts and minds of Americans with our every breath.
Our path is clear: to make our message clear. Conservatives have answers that work. Unlike liberals, we will never doom an entire segment of society to perpetual misery, nor will we, like the left, work to bring more of society down into that same misery.
Poverty is a cell in which you are deprived of your liberty. Poverty of thinking is the prison that keeps those cells shut, guarded under lock and key, free from the prying light of other ideas. Our war must be on the latter if ever there is to be true relief for the former.
- Caleb Howe
Steve Maley
Neil Stevens
Daniel Horowitz
What a completely awesome post
joeljournal (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 9:55AM EST (link)You captured it. I have been in this movie before, when I worked in South Africa. There, you really see how the poor are starved of liberty more than bread, even after winning the right to vote. It’s always a tough case to make; how sad that we have to make it again, after all this time, in the United States. But then again, how noble the cause!
Joel Pollak
Guide to the Perplexed
http://guidetotheperplexed.blogspot.com
You are absolutely correct! AWESOME Post!
USNJIMRET (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 10:36AM EST (link)Rush, Mr Limbaugh, read this aloud on your program.
Word for word, no editing needed!
Permission requested to post elsewhere, with glowing attribution, please?
Incredible!!
Thanks for putting form to what so many people think.
Hear, hear <-- here
JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 10:56AM EST (link)Highly recommended
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
Probably the best thing you've ever written, Caleb, and that's saying something.
janis (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 10:19AM EST (link)You’ve done other pieces that were as timely, but I don’t know that you’ve ever nailed them as completely and as beautifully as you have done with this one.
Thank you for still being a contributor here, Caleb. Would you be interested in being the head of the RNC by any chance? They need someone desperately with your clarity of thought and purity of expressing it.
I had never thought of this
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 10:23AM EST (link)And I was dirt poor from the time I was born up until I was about 33 or so. And now that you mention it, I was in many ways handcuffed in the way I went about my business, in my choices of what I could drive and where I could live.
But I had vision and higher aspirations. And because of the natural makeup of America, I had the opportunity to make myself better, and did so.
In Obama’s America, the pressures would have been enormous to just accept the crumbs offered me by the government, eking by on next to nothing and not mustering up the courage to do what I would have had to do to escape the bottom rung.
You’ve touched on something grand here, absentee.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
You know, EPU, people who live on gov. handouts never realize
janis (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 10:30AM EST (link)how imprisoned they really are. My daughter in law grew up in one of those families that depended on food stamps, gov. health care and welfare to get by. She never thought about how few choices they were allowed to make because making a different choice meant losing those benefits. She still is enchained by that thinking, but we are working to open up a brighter world for her and our grandchildren so that this attitude of “poverty pays” won’t become a family tradition for them as well.
And good for you, EPU, that you picked yourself up and succeeded. Now, if only we can fight hard enough to continue that ability to do so…..
It’s a completely worthy and necessary fight.
I almost cried when I read this, Absentee.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 10:41AM EST (link)IT’S WONDERFUL, ABSENTEE.
It forced me to contemplate. And yeah. I absolutely agree…. Liberty from “Poverty Of Thinking”….. Yeah!
I agree with Janis, above.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 10:51AM EST (link)This post by Caleb is one of the top 10 well-written diaries, if not the best among the best, of the year.
The prose, the analysis, the philosophy behind, the reality from which the diary is based upon, …. and most importantly, THE MESSAGE AND THE TRUTH BEHIND THE MESSAGE.
I call it “a masterpiece.”
Very True
liberalrepublican (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 10:46AM EST (link)This is one of the best articles I’ve read on this site.
I’ve experience poverty first hand. I never went on any assistance of any kind but I was tempted. I once went 5 days without eating because I had no money. .
At my lowest, most depressed moment, I remember thinking it wouldn’t be so bad to give up and have the government take care of me.At least I would have a roof and food and somehow exist. I imagine I would spend my time reading at the library or watching sports on TV.
That would be the extent of my life.
As pathetic as that sounds, compared to how I was living, it was tempting.
I rejected it however.
Eventually, I learned a skill (related to the web) and worked my way up from some crappy jobs to some not so crappy jobs.
I eventually went into business for myself. By my standards, I’ve done well. I’ve gone way past the six figures income level and I’m hiring in this economy.
More importantly, I have a sense of worth that I would never have if I took the “easy” way out (which is really a much harder path).
Personally, I feel like government assistance chains the soul.
But I do think we have to take care of kids. I can’t believe as a society, we accept the idea of children without decent medical care.
Guess I’m a closet socialist
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Good job at picking yourself up...and about the kids
speciallist (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:21AM EST (link)show me just ONE kid who can’t get Medical care right now and I’ll quit Redstate….
The Kids are covered…even poor adults without insurance can go to a Hospital right now and get Med care..
we don’t have to rush into any quick fix’s for Health care…..Obamacare is a scary proposition
I don't know about the laws in Washington..
liberalrepublican (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:37AM EST (link)But I do know plenty of kids who have no dental care, no check ups and other all poor medical care.
Yeah, if they get shot, there is someone to path them up.
I’m talking about something different.
And on healthcare – the number 1 thing that almost stopped me from starting my own business was healthcare. I bet it has stopped millions from taking the leap.
I don’t see medical care that much different from giving kids an education or having a fire dept or police department or having the government make sure food is safe.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Liberalrepublican
mom2oneson (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:43AM EST (link)It’s available. They can get apply for medicaid and get checkups.
If the parents don’t take them it is up to them.
I would say the problem with medicaid is when there is a problem and a specialist needs to be seen. That can be like pulling teeth. Pediatric primary care is very good and accessible. There are big problems but ped primary care isnt’ one of them.
There is no way...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 4:08PM EST (link)to legislate parents to care and do a good job.
Sad.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Under Obamacare...large groups of people will be denied coverage..
speciallist (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:44AM EST (link)don’t be dense…All kids can get Healthcare right now!…and Dental
prove me wrong
librepub, in Tennessee kids are covered for dental care
janis (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:53AM EST (link)under a state program until they are 21 if they are on TennCare. There are grants that have given the Board of Education the ability to see to it that kids in school have the chance to get their molars sealed so that they won’t have cavities. In many cases, dental care is not pursued by the parents, but it’s not the gov. that is at fault because the opportunity is there.
Yes Tennessee has done a pretty good job with this.
Praying (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 2:37PM EST (link)The quality of state-sponsored health care varies tremendously from State to State – something I hope our resident idiots in Washington consider when speeding forward on Obamacare. The system was a disaster in Hawaii – went under in just 7 months because it tried to be everything for everyone. Tennessee had to have a major adjustment a few years back (the system was so popular that influxes of residents from surrounding states was bankrupting the system, among other things). It provides the bare minimum care, with provisions to cover catastrophes (but isn’t that all health insurance is supposed to do?
Where did people get the idea they were entitled to the same expansive health care as our elected senators and representatives in Washington? In fact, where did they get the idea THEY were entitled to that?) As Janis points out, providing the service is one thing – you still have to encourage the parents to take advantage of it.
No!!!11!1!!1!1! The Bilderbergers are coming
Chew on this....if we get Obamacare..
speciallist (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:40AM EST (link)you’ll then be able to give me Multiple examples of kids who will be denied Medical care for multiple different reasons!
that’s scary…
If we get Obamacare...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 2:09PM EST (link)We might get more people to start their own businesses.
Who knows?
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Are you nuts?
janis (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 2:12PM EST (link)What in the world would provoke someone to start a business when the current government intends to tax capitalism out of existence? And where would they find the capital to start a private enterprise anyway?
I have my own business...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 3:53PM EST (link)“What in the world would provoke someone to start a business when the current government intends to tax capitalism out of existence? And where would they find the capital to start a private enterprise anyway?”
I have my own business…
Its booming.
I can’t get to all the work I’m being offered.
I tried doubling my prices – we still can’t get to all of it.
I am hiring.
In the middle of a “recession” With Oboma as president. And Pelosi.
Your doom and gloom thinking may be good for rallying the base and getting more readers on a blog, but if someone is ever thinking of applying it to their life – THEY ARE NUTS!!!
NewsFlash – There are few places or moments in the history of mankind that are better for starting a business than in the USA. This is the greatest economic engine in the history of the world. There is more opportunity here than anywhere else.
EVEN IN A RECESSION
Now, if you want to say that Washington can make it a worse, yeah sure. BUT THERE IS STILL ENDLESS OPPORTUNITY.
Don’t let a hyper partisan blog cloud your thinking.
Seriously.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
What's your business and who are you looking for?
Brian Hibbert (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 4:02PM EST (link)There may be some talent on this forum that you could use.
Candidate for Trustee of Illinois Central College
Socialism doesn’t work. It looks nice on paper, but it’s been tried and it’s failed miserably every time (usually accompanied by widespread death and suffering).
Proud member of the V.R.W.C.
Take back our party!
Check out Unified Patriots
It's ecommerce consulting...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 4:13PM EST (link)Specifically conversion optimization and multivariate testing.
Basically, I solve this problem…
If you can imagine 3 web sites all sell the identical product – say a vegetable juicer and they each get 1000 visitors.
They all sell at the same price, same shipping and same terms and conditions. They are all reputable.
In the real world, one site might 10 juicers and another sell 50 juicers and the third 25 juicers.
Why the difference? And how can the guy selling 25 sell 70?
That’s what I do. I get paid to run the test and then a bonus based on the lift in sales.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
A little outside my area of expertise, but maybe someone else here
Brian Hibbert (Diary) Friday, March 6th at 7:37AM EST (link)has experience in that area.
Sounds like an interesting business. Do you get any conflicts with both client A and client B wanting to sell the same product?
Anyway, I’m glad you decided to overcome your fear of insurance and start producing for yourself and the country.
Candidate for Trustee of Illinois Central College
Socialism doesn’t work. It looks nice on paper, but it’s been tried and it’s failed miserably every time (usually accompanied by widespread death and suffering).
Proud member of the V.R.W.C.
Take back our party!
Check out Unified Patriots
No conflicts...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Friday, March 6th at 6:29PM EST (link)I only work with client A OR client B. Never both.
My average customer has increased their sales by 57% in the last 6 months.
In the middle of a recession.
It applies to all kinds of places.
For example, it’s very like there is a way to double or triple the number of people who signed up to the RedState Strike Force by applying these methods.
And, yes. Some of the smarter Dems already do.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
You didn't have your wheaties this morning....
speciallist (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 2:29PM EST (link)I can tell…
I almost didn't start my business...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 3:43PM EST (link)because of healthcare costs.
Maybe I’m the only one, but I doubt it.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Pay your employees more...have them buy their own healthcare...
speciallist (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 5:16PM EST (link)your savings would be substantial….
under obamacare you won’t have that option
speciallist, absentee is smokin' hot today
pilgrim (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 5:25PM EST (link)http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/03/05/open-thread-the-gift-that-keeps-on-giving/
I was talking about for me...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 5:37PM EST (link)Just my own healthcare for me and my son (he has epilepsy and needs expensive medication).
At the time I started my business, we were living in a 1 room house with no kitchen.
I washed my dishes in a bath tub for 2 years.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
I'm glad you didn't quit....
speciallist (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 7:59PM EST (link)I hope Barry let’s you continue to buy your own healthcare…
You don’t want him making decisions for your son
I suspect this the most important column you have ever written Caleb
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 10:48AM EST (link)It goes to the heart of why I becamse a conservative after years of watching the lib dems exploit envy for class warfare to advance policies that further reduce the liberty avaialable to the poor and lower income families and America in general.
Envy is much worse than greed.
You also have discovered the “wonder of Rush”!
I will have much more to praise later!
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
"Envy is much worse than greed"
JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 10:58AM EST (link)Right on, GC. Envy is soul-numbing and future-robbing. It gnaws and eats at you and paralyzes from positive action.
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
"..paralyzes from positive action." Exactly.
janis (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:03AM EST (link)That’s what this government and all who think the same are counting on. Focus the “have nots” on envy and hatred of the “haves” and keep their focus off what the government is really doing to perpetuate their poverty.
Yeah. "Envy drives a person to Kill!"
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:12AM EST (link)…to kill a person, an idea, an image, etc.
Creating a poverty-stricken community is like creating a band of terrorists.
I am talking about Poverty of Thinking by absentee here. Physical poverty is just a symptom/manifestation of the same.
True, Rod. Look at the Palestinians.
janis (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:19AM EST (link)Their “leaders” have deliberately kept them in abject poverty in order to turn them into perpetual weapons, always cocked and ready to kill in order to get what they think the Israelis are withholding from them.
And yet it’s their own people who guarantee their continued status as willing victims. I see more than a whiff of that happening here.
I agree, Janis.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:30AM EST (link)Caleb’s diary doesn’t speak only for American society. I believe it has wide-ranging applications.
In the case of Palestinians, the sad truth is that many of them died and never had a chance to experience the taste of freedom from poverty.
It echoes Christ’s word that there are people who should have wished they were never been born at all.
greed is the excess of a positive drive to survive
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 1:15PM EST (link)envy seeks only to seek pleasure in the misfortune of others
pure evil
amen to all you all said, rod, janis and leave alone
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“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Is anyone envious of the Dems
liberalrepublican (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 4:17PM EST (link)and Obama being in power?
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
envious no
AKSteveB (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 4:22PM EST (link)anxious and scared, yes.
Hell is other people – Sartre
Maybe I'm one of the prisoners
mom2oneson (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 10:49AM EST (link)and just can’t see the light but I don’t agree.
Everyone has limits. Now poverty has some challenges specific to being low income, housing and trasnportation but guess what everyone has their own struggles.I don’t agree with envy either. If you are taught to be grateful to God for what He has provided to you, there is no envy of others, ever, in fact you don’t even think about it.
Maybe you can’t drive to the store but you can walk or take the bus. Maybe your shoes have holes in them but you still have a way to cover most of your foot and you can get where you are going. I’m not saying hunger and cold and struggles complicated by a lack of money aren’t real but I don’t see them as holding someoen prisoner. Day to day responsibilities and struggles may keep someone from continuing their education or earning more but that doesn’t = same, fear and pain. There is still joy in providing for your family and children even if your wages are low. I think some struggles and doing without something you need make life harder but it also develops appreciation, determination, confidence and empathy. I agree wtih the other part about the conservative vs liberals but not the top part, especially this below. I think you are taking the total human out of the picture.
Poverty is no mere lack of money, it is often a lack of access, of mobility, of safety, and of order; and an attendant abundance of shame, fear, and pain. Poverty is a scourge.
But you are not typical of many who are poor.
janis (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 10:58AM EST (link)Way too many are encouraged to blame their condition on the “haves” when they are told that they are the “have nots.” And they are encouraged to view their situation as only being alleviated by government intervention. Like you, I believe that every situation is there for growth, for learning and for character development. But that is not, unfortunately, current mainstream thinking about poverty.
Caleb is a profoundly caring individual and wrote this out of the desire to point out what the poverty of thinking results in. He is only saying what this government is doing: They want as many as possible to live in the darkness and curse the ones who live in freedom.
You are not poor
JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:04AM EST (link)I don’t care if you have no money in the bank or holes in your shoes — you aren’t poor, mom.
You aren’t because of your attitude, which is “can do”, gratitude to God for what you do have, and joy in your family. That’s a marked contrast to those who await the dole, allowing envy, anger, and a presumption of entitlement to imprison them.
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
As I see it, you agree with the main point, mom.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:05AM EST (link)You just don’t realize it yet.
I must disagree
Caleb Howe (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:28AM EST (link)My point is to put the human back in it. I’m describing poverty the state of being as an oppression of the individual will. Those who are stuck in poverty, particularly in the third world, are deprived of their liberty, often of their happiness and even their lives by their oppressor.
My point, therefore, is that if we, as people, wish to fight poverty, we should do it with open eyes. Dogmatic presumption that the only way to help the destitute is through government action is itself an oppression. It is the oppression of inquiry, thought and reason. Rather than continuing to figure out what to do or how to help, it is a settling in on a cycle that doesn’t seem to be very effective.
Poverty is a scourge. That obviously doesn’t mean that the impoverished are a scourge. Slavery was a scourge, not the slaves. That is my point.
Caleb Howe (formerly known as absentee)
Don't worry Caleb, George Washington has your back...
Attack Mode (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 12:32PM EST (link)Remember that when the question is asked about who, the state or the individual, is better to manage any given task.
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
The problem is that most are born into the
izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 10:51AM EST (link)poverty that keeps them down.
I really, really thought Obama was going to CHANGE the course of people that rely on government handouts……
He keep saying it during his campaign but I guess that he speaks in code with those in need and he said “I HOPE you will vote for me so that you don’t have to CHANGE the way you live”.
I get it now. You can lead a person to the voting both but they really don’t want CHANGE for themselves. The CHANGE Obama was talking about was CHANGE for the producers.
My grandparents were dirt poor farmers in Kansas during the depression. These people knew how to not only survive but live. My grandfather & grandmother taught us so much and being self-reliant was one of those traits they taught us. If you were hungry you plucked and cleaned a chicken. But you had to raise it first. If you wanted vegatables you could go out in the garden and pull them out of the ground but you had to raise them first. If you wanted a self-reliant child that does not expect handouts then you have to raise them properly and in an environment that let’s them succeed.
The government has not allowed these people looking for handouts to succeed. They are nothing more than hamsters in a cage.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
izoneguy
mom2oneson (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:01AM EST (link)Exactly. I don’t agree that poverty= looking for handouts. Some people just can’t go back to school or do much to earn more than they are making. Being as self reliant to the best of one’s ability has nothing to do with how much someone earns. I’ve seen more of an entitlement mentality with the middle class friends than I have with poor single mother friends that work 60 hours at $8/hour jobs.
Stuff like this is such a slap in the face to people that earn low wages but are responsible and hard working. I can’t stand the labels that are put on the poor, simply because they are poor. We should not make judgements about someone’s character based on how much they earn or how much savings they have. That is sick to me.
mom2oneson, "poverty of thinking" cuts across all economic, educational, and class boundaries.
janis (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:22AM EST (link)It is not limited to the poor in money terms. People like Obama have had superb educational opportunities and yet he chooses to take his abilities and impose the poverty of thought on an entire nation.
It is this which Caleb addresses.
Janis
mom2oneson (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:35AM EST (link)Sorry I didn’t see your post when I was typing that. I agree. That is why I think it’s a character problem, it has nothing to do with socioeconomic status/income level. I am not a theologian but wouldn’t that be coveting, like the commandment don’t covet your neighbors x, y or z and also in Proverbs it talks about not be lazy and stuff like that.
Just to clarify
mom2oneson (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:29AM EST (link)Just to clarify to say it’s not most or all middle class, or even part of being middle class, just when I have seen it that is where it’s been from. I think it’s at least part of the result from parents paying for things for them even when adults, becuase they are the people I have seen it with. It’s like they are still teens don’t want to use their money for necessities, just “fun” stuff.
Understood, mom2oneson. And I agree
janis (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:41AM EST (link)that the entitlement mentality is offensive whether it comes from those who are economically at a disadvantage or whether it comes from those who have had much and yet expect still more without the effort that it takes to earn it honestly.
I live in a rural area in Tennessee that has been historically poor. There are many here who have been born into and always thought they had no choice but to live in the “tender” care of the government. Those who choose to continue to think so are also more than happy to hate those who are pointed out as having something that they themselves do not. The fact that those who have something probably put in the hard work to earn it is ignored. It is this poverty of thinking that brought down whole nations.
It is this which we must not allow to happen here.
Exactly mom.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:45AM EST (link)It maybe because they are still in the shackle of “poverty of thinking”. Many of the youth today are suffering from poverty of thinking. Hollywood, which is supposed to be the source of new ideas, is actually the one propagating the “poverty of thinking” among the teenagers.
But to be fair, many adults, and even some self-declared conservatives, are still suffering from poverty of thinking.
Caleb’s diary really has profound ramifications not just in politics but in our daily lives.
In my case, I also need to re-evaluate myself and my family’s situation whether our own problems are actually due to the “poverty of thinking”. But I’m optimistic that there is always an opportunity for us to free ourselves from our own shackles of poverty.
I'm concerned
Caleb Howe (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:34AM EST (link)That my story is grossly misread or poorly communicated. I certainly said nothing whatsoever about anyone looking for handouts.
Caleb Howe (formerly known as absentee)
No need to be concerned, Absentee.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 12:07PM EST (link)What you missed is that your diary opens up many gates of inquiry, not just politics.
Your piece is relatively short compared to ordinary novels/dissertations and is devoid of actual plot and names of persons. But it has a wide range applications and the lack of visual makes it more abstract.
In case of mom2oneson, she’s trying to digest your thesis in the matter of present-day socio-economic struggles according to her own purview. I believe she’s the only one who can find answers to her own quest based on her own experience.
If you are bothered by that, then stop making beautiful diaries with profound meanings like this one. So absentee, get used to such kind of reaction from your reader!
(I’m just humoring you, btw. Stop saying anything about it please, your diary is just as perfect as it is. Allow us, readers, to have own our interpretation of such piece of art).
Excellent job Caleb
Scope (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 12:14PM EST (link)I have read previous comments by mom2onesons, and has before come to the defense of those that are financially poor. It seems that she is reading things into your diary that you have never said or implied. With all respect to her, it appears that she is just in defence mode and misinterpreting what it is that you have really said. In fact, mom2oneson proves that you are much wealthier when you have love of family, hard work and a love of God.
Caleb this is clear
AKSteveB (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 2:05PM EST (link)and if I may say this about political writing ..beautiful. Often great writing opens up thought processes even the writer couldn’t imagine. It doesn’t mean the writer didn’t have good clarity.
Hell is other people – Sartre
Superb piece, Caleb! nt
Achance (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:05AM EST (link)In Vino Veritas
Excellent piece--kudos!
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:05AM EST (link)I would only add one thing—democrats/liberals have succeeded in inspiring class envy not only in the poor, but also in the middle class. My experience with poor people is that they are generally too focused on survival to dwell that much on envy. It is the middle class where class envy is making surprising strides. Obama could not be president if not for the envy of middle class Americans.
Make no mistake about it, Obama is trying to do to the middle class what Roosevelt and Johnson did to the underclass.
Once we have socialized medicine, liberty will be a premium that only a few can pay. Once your neighbor pays for your health care, they will tell you what you can eat, drink, drive, etc.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
This will be a GOOD day!...thanks Caleb!
speciallist (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:07AM EST (link)I am pumped…hot coffee and Rush coming up later on…..
"Be not afraid"
Hammer2008 (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:22AM EST (link)5! Caleb
Great diary
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Too much noise! “Noise! You’ll have noise enough before long. The Regulars are coming out.” ~ Paul Revere (April 18th, 1775′s eve…)
I wish I could recommend this once, twice, ten, or a hundred times
Beaglescout (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:28AM EST (link)Unfortunately those buttons don’t show up on this article. Great article! I wonder if the WSJ editorial page might print it. I know National Review or Weekly Standard would.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
Yes, this article needs to be on op ed
AKSteveB (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:40AM EST (link)pages around the country.
Hell is other people – Sartre
Very thought-provoking.
skorrent1 (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:38AM EST (link)I confess to being quite put off by the Dickensian description of “the poor” in the first two paragraphs. Particularly as applied to “poverty” in the present US, where the greatest health problem of the “poor” is obesity. I, too, have had exposure to areas of the world where “poverty” means a constant, day-to-day struggle for mere existance. Where the concept of liberty is beyond the ken of those who struggle simply to remain alive. I have trouble applying the concept of “justifiable envy” to those in this country whom the statisticians have chosen to describe as below the “poverty level.”
Nevertheless, the remainder of the post very clearly describes the source of the percieved helplessness (lack of liberty) that afflicts many in that circumstance. It is the attitude of the media and of the politicians who insist that the poverty cohort is static (it is not!) and without hope or ability to change their lot. It is by inculcating this poverty of thinking that the liberals create the type of dependency that gives them power. Once you become convinced that you, individually, lack the ability to change your circumstances, you become fair game for some “community organizer” to provoke envy and invoke political action to better your lot. And, of course, this action must be directed toward getting, or forcing, others to “share their wealth.” If the liberal ever admitted that new wealth could be created, it would undermine his whole theme that the poor are helpless and must be cared for, by liberals.
It is this poverty of thinking that conservatives must oppose.
Profound, Caleb!
penguin2 (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:45AM EST (link)You were able to put succinctly and with great insight the ideology of the “left” and the “right.”
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. – Benjamin Franklin
When Good stands up to Evil, Evil blinks. – Vassar Bushmills
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Great job, Caleb! The left will not stop until the whole world lives in a Rezko slum.
streetwise (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 12:13PM EST (link)At that point, we will all be declared rich.
not everyone is easily provoked
mom2oneson (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 12:23PM EST (link)Once you become convinced that you, individually, lack the ability to change your circumstances, you become fair game for some “community organizer” to provoke envy and invoke political action to better your lot.
I disagree with that. You are equating poverty with character traits. Many people that realize things won’t change much as far as income and they still have values and they despise socialism, envy, theft and apathy. I can’t stand the way character judgements are places on someone based on how much they earn or their potentional or lack of it to earn more. Being poor and in a situation where your income realistically is not going to change much does not mean you are easily led into being a communist because of some scheming liberal presents it to you.
Historically that was how socialist movements were started though
Leopard1996 (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 12:36PM EST (link)Just looking thorugh out history of how communism, socialism,movements started, it started with some leader, (Lenin, Castro), leading and convincing the disaffected groups, to take from the rich and nationalize it to all,
Now granted, in the cases of Russian and Cuba, they may have been justified because of preceived corruptions, (The Czar of Russia owned everything, Batistia was a piece of garbage dictator in his own right). But, all it takes is some leader (in this case, our lovely predident Barry O), and convince enough of those that are poor, that the people that have more got it though ill gotten means, (which for a majority of Americans is not the case), to make it sound real good to take from those same people who have more and give it to the government to spreak equally.
“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen
good point
mom2oneson (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 12:57PM EST (link)I just don’t like the way it’s acceptable thinking on here that income level determines other other things about a person, specifically their political beliefs and morals/character.
No one here would say that it's acceptable to say that your income determines your character.
janis (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 1:18PM EST (link)Being wealthy is certainly no statement about the goodness of your beliefs or morals. Some of the wisest, most moral people I’ve ever known haven’t been what anyone would call rich. They didn’t require material wealth to feel successful. To assume that Caleb means any of what you are talking about is to hear things he isn’t saying.
Don’t you think that you are perhaps projecting your own experiences and prejudices on this diary instead of looking at the words he has written?
the post on socialism
mom2oneson (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 1:40PM EST (link)I was replying to the above post how the poor are led to socialism once they realize their situation will not change.
I see it on this board though, people making character judgements based on income level, even making judgements about their political affiliation.
And the rich are led to socialism by the mistaken belief
janis (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 1:54PM EST (link)that it won’t harm THEM. But it is easier to advance the cause of socialism in a society where the poor are convinced that it is their only option. No one in this thread is castigating the poor, nor judging them as unworthy of freedom. The point is simply being made that it is by withholding the notion of personal freedom that socialism takes root and flourishes.
As to people making judgments about political affiliation based on wealth level, many of the ones classified as truly impoverished vote for the Dems because that is the party that constantly promises supposed “freebies.” To deny that is to deny reality.
Socialism only enriches the social leaders
izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 1:57PM EST (link)look at history. What good ever came from socialism. It enriches those who lead it. That is it.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Assuming it was my post ...
skorrent1 (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 1:57PM EST (link)That you quoted and were replying to:
You missed the point. “It is by inculcating this poverty of thinking that the liberals create the type of dependency that gives them power.” They are not uniformly successful, but the mentality that “only government can help me” is popular enough to give statistical strength to the liberal cause.
It is not the conservatives here at RS that promote the kind of groupthink you don’t like. That’s what the OP says we must fight against.
Poor but proud is soooo 19th Century.
Achance (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 1:58PM EST (link)I agree with you that it isn’t a given that economic status is determinative of political and social attitudes but it has become more and more predictive in the era of mass communications.
In Vino Veritas
Caveat
PridianPontification (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 12:25PM EST (link)A lot to agree with here, but I have one caveat. I cannot in good conscience accept the liberal premise of liberty representing results of social status or monetary wealth. If we grant that a poor person has less “liberty” than a wealthy person by virtue of his available options, then we accept the entire premise of “equality of results.” All of a sudden our God-given right to “liberty” includes the right not to be poor, since that infringes on our updated definition of liberty. We are endowed by our Creator with liberty, not wealth or material status. Looking around the world we find that poverty is the norm, and wealth the exception that begs explanation. This line of reasoning opens the way for Government to guarantee a certain level of prosperity to all citizens. That means controlling the economy, and as Reagan said, the Government cannot control the economy without controlling people. That translates to less liberty for everyone. It’s a bad slope to slide down, so let’s keep liberty defined as the freedom from forcible oppression, the so-called “equality of process.”
If I may
Caleb Howe (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 12:45PM EST (link)The Declaration of Independence says that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are inalienable rights from our creator, given us by God. That governments secure those rights. You and I agree that they secure them by creating a society which endeavors not to impose upon or violate them.
But the first point in that progression of thought that God grants man liberty. This is not mere free will as you describe, but freedom from oppression. In as much as extreme poverty is oppression, liberty is infringed.
But not a bit of that demands government intervention, indeed the sum of it demands government stay out of it. If poverty is the oppressor, not government, then will of the Declaration of Independence is intact.
That doesn’t mean our duty to fellow man is served, however. And this is quite the important point. I suggest that you are buying into a liberal premise by presuming that a problem must be under the auspices of government to be considered a problem, and the slippery slope there, of course, means government must solve it.
I’m suggesting that people have an impulse and duty to their fellow man, and that turning to government for it only worsens it.
Taken in this form, it is actually when government endeavors to fix poverty that the right to liberty is infringed, not the opposite
Caleb Howe (formerly known as absentee)
Hi Caleb
PridianPontification (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 10:14PM EST (link)Thanks for the thoughtful reply, I appreciate it! On the premise that a problem must be under the auspices of government to be considered a problem: I agree that is a liberal premise. I brought it up to illustrate how I would foresee a policy dialogue progressing in the modern day between the two sides. I do disagree that poverty in this country can be considered oppression, except that perhaps it is oppression perpetrated by God Himself. We can agree that it is our fellow man that we should look to for ways out of this poverty, and not the government-I just tend to think that if we grant the term poverty as somewhat equivalent to the term oppression, we are on a weaker footing when arguing against government intervention into this problem. Anyway, good thoughts my friend, I very much liked the original post and the reply. Thanks again!
Obama's Middle-Class Task Force Has No Middle Class Representatives
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 12:30PM EST (link)as typical of those that try to control the means to upward mobility
That always amazed me about socialism is general,
Leopard1996 (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 12:38PM EST (link)How the hell can you sit there and say that you want equality for everyone, but it always seems that those that are of the elite appear to have more than everyone else. The only difference are the amount of lying it takes for the common people to believe that they are all equal.
“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen
To clarify
Leopard1996 (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 12:41PM EST (link)When I say you, Idon’t mean you personally, I mean that collective you of the Socialist bent who believe their own garbage. (God I wish there was no profanity ban here)
“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen
Caleb
mom2oneson (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 1:06PM EST (link)From what you have seen in the third world, is like here where many people’s condition would be improved with stronger families? Do you think it is harder than necessary for them because of family breakdown? (Single woman with children, elderly without children caring for them, children left to the state care instead of relatives to help them whn their parents aren’t there, etc)
There is lots of variance in lifestyle levels even in poverty, I am just wondering if stronger families would help, or are they already strong from what you have seen? I am sure it would help here.
A very good post, I can't disagree with anything you said, Caleb
Michael M. Keohane (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 2:44PM EST (link)However, Leopard 1996, some historical information. Since the 1860′s, the Russian government had been moving, in fits and starts, towards more economic freedom and, even slower, towards political freedom.
The Tsar did not own everything in Russia and there was an emerging middle class as well as peasants and other non-noble individuals who were very wealthy.
In Cuba, although political freedom was restricted, there was economic freedom. Cuba, under that evil man Batista, was one of the most prosperous countries in Latin America.
Lenin and Castro could not spread the wealth so they spread the poverty. It took the Soviet Union 70 years to fall and Cuba, once the formost sugar porducing country in Latin America, now imports sugar.
Do not classify the words or deeds of your opponents as being hatefull, malicious or criminal in nature if they can also be easily characterized as simple ignorance or gross stupidity. Anon.
Ahh, Caleb....
eburke (Diary) Thursday, March 5th at 11:36PM EST (link)you’re still the same eloquent, loquacious guy who actually managed to get me to vote for Sen. McCain over my dead body (no mean feat).
What a beautifully written treatise on the true cost of the liberal, socialist mind – the subjugation of the soul. Your prose is exceded only by your content. While there may be some in this thread who have angst over their perception that you are denigrating the poor, I believe it is only because they’re failing to see your overarching point – that the dogmatic premise that government alone can rescue the downtrodden which leaves the soul in chains unable to see the blazing beauty of freedom.
Well done, my friend.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
Wow.
itrytobenice (Diary) Friday, March 6th at 12:11PM EST (link)Wow, wow, wow.
Great work. You are bookmarked.
And hubby’s funny little comment for this is: There’s no disgrace in being poor. It’s just unhandy as h###.
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
The'yre practioners of impoverishing
citizenfx Friday, March 6th at 12:38PM EST (link)I am not a fear monger and I would never do this if the evidence right now doesn’t show this is coming.
We are headed for the Greater depression if the leadership doesn’t start opposing this Guy damn soon. I love REDSTATE, but we need to start screaming or we are all going to be deathly poor through wealth destruction or inflation destruction.
GET THROUGH YOUR DENIAL STAGE AND GET ANGRY!
BO and Geithner are doing this on purpose to destroy any economic opposition in the future from any enterprise. This is why they are incredibly absence and letting the crash occur + all the Limbaugh distraction.
THIS IS NO JOKE! I’ve studied every recession including the Great depression. This looks worse. Why? Because back then there were no other enterprise countries to replace our role + the government was not intentionally trying to destroy us.
Intentionally? Yes
Remember back during the election when BO was asked if he would raise taxes during a Recession. He was advised by 10 of the best economists who said that it would be a death nail to do that. BO said he would consider the circumstances and thought it would be a bad idea. Did anyone listen to Geithner’s testimony over the last couple of days. It was all about raising taxes – during a recession to boot!
CAN YOU SAY DOUBLE DEATH NAIL!!!!!!!!
The patient isn’t even dead yet and they are nailing that coffin shut
China and Russia can easily supply the world with goods and energy and our financial structure which we outsourced to the rest of the world and replace our role.
All that will be left of America is the vision of a debtor squatter not unlike that of these ACORN Protestors trying to save a Home for a NINJA borrower who should have gone into foreclosure back in 2007
THEN IT WILL BECOME MANDATORY TO PRAY TO THE MESSIAH, They call “The One” in order to get your Government handout!!!!
I am going to have to dig up my Fedora in my attic so that nobody recognizes me in the bread line.