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Olbermann and Kos Nurse Wounded Pride

And Caleb Howe Enjoys Chat With Ed Morrissey and Jim Geraghty.

In today’s installment of “How did THAT happen” I had the pleasure of joining two of my favorite writers, NRO’s Jim Geraghty and Hot Air’s Ed Morrissey, for a debate about the ongoing ‘journolist‘ story, of late the topic which prompted Keith Olbermann and Markos Moulitsas to laugh and joke casually and in a non-lame way last night on Countdown. If you didn’t catch the video, it sorta sounded like this:

Keith: I’m not on the list are you on the list Kos?
Kos: No I’m not on that silly list. See my smile? This is all so silly.
Keith: It’s silly right? Stupid list. I don’t need their stupid list.
Kos: It’s just a conspiracy theory. Nobody is doing anything. It’s silly! I’m smiling, did you notice that? It means I think this is funny.
Keith: No, yes, I totally noticed. Hang on, I’m doing a funny voice.
Kos: Of course the right really does do that.
Keith: Oh they totally do. They collude.

Kos and Keith continue to say the list is innocent and this is all silly. Much smiling occurs. They aren’t on the list, but that’s fine. Their feelings aren’t hurt. They haven’t the time for all those pesky emails anyway, what with all the smiling at one another on the schedule.


Don’t get me wrong, I was smiling too. There was a lot to be amused by in the segment. For example, Keith Olbermann sneers at “I’m told” as if to say “what sources!” Yes, Keith Olbermann. Complaining about sourcing. Yep.

Then there’s Kos, who snidely narrates that what really happens is like-minded people see the same things and have the same interpretation. They arrive, he says, at their conclusions independently. Of course, that’s precisely what people mean when they refer to themselves as Limbaugh ‘Ditto-heads’ but it doesn’t stop Olbermann or Kos Kid in Chief from constantly stating that Limbaugh listeners brag about being led about. You follow? When Kos and Keith agree it’s a happenstance of enlightenment. When you and Limbaugh agree it’s because you’re a robot slave. Neat and spooky! Zombiepublicans!! Run for your life!

Also amusing was watching Olbermann and Kos spending five minutes mocking the very idea of such a conspiracy (did you notice they were smiling??? Did you?!?!?) and then say “but anyway, the right really DOES conspire.” Cause we’re icky, you see.

I think the point is a rather simple one. We have folks telling us that bigwig legit journos are on an email list with left-wing bloggers, trading stories, tips, links, recipes, and Hints from Heloise. If you’ve never heard of the notion of a liberal bias in the media, raise your hand. That’s what I thought. Well if legit news sources are gossiping and sniping on a double plus secret list, something which, by the way, I’ve yet to see anyone DENY, mightn’t one think that’s part of the liberal bias?

Jim and Ed and I disagreed a bit about the significance of the story in light of the fact that the vast blogging world spends a lot of their time trading emails and stories behind the scenes, be it by direct email or list. Jim and Ed, and you can watch the debate here, I think are essentially suggesting that the list is what it is and that what it is isn’t that big of a thing. As disagreements go I consider this mild. If indeed there is nothing to see here, then there will be nothing to see here.

My position is that we ought to press such a thing. We on the right don’t do a lot of investigation. Heck, we don’t even do a lot of response. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve written about some or other piece of media malpractice only to have Redstate readers say “why do you even pay attention to those loons?” To that I can’t help but tilt my head quizzically to the side and say “ruh?” I pay attention to them because other people pay attention to them. Because the left spreads lies by repetition. Because if you don’t call them out they get away with it.

This is that. If the “journolist” is, as is being suggested, a big wet mess of liberal bloggers and supposedly legit mainstream media, that’s a story worth telling. It is, at the very least, a question worth highlighting. If George Bush and Rush Limbaugh sneezed in the same tone of voice on any given day the last eight years, you could be sure they’d suggest Limbaugh was pulling Bush’s strings. Or Cheney was pulling his strings. Or Rove was. And Bush, as Kos and Olbermann were to quick to agree (with HUGE smiles, by the way. It’s funny you see? So they smile. Ahh they do have fun.) was pulling the right-o-sphere’s strings. In counterbalance I think it’s more than reasonable to inquire as to the journolist.

When the media is already inclined to agree with Kos, it’s all the more reason to let the average reader know that Kos has the media’s ear any time he’d like. Only not Kos per se; he wasn’t invited (but it doesn’t bother him. He’s so very busy already. What’s that? No it’s just something in his eye.)

So yes, it’s worth highlighting. And investigating. And complaining about. Because you don’t win a war by going “oh I see you missed with that shot there, old bean. Listen, I’ll stand stiller for you then. After all, you clearly meant to shoot me, and not the tree. That’s what really matters here.”

I think it’s safe to say that both Ed and Jim agreed with one point: It’s worth looking into and finding out more. Our side could use a little more investigative blogging. And a lot more fighting back.

You can hear the debate and watch Ed’s whole show here. It’s excellent as always, despite letting me on.

COMMENTS

  • Kowalski

    It’s no dishonesty and it’s hardly a scandal for liberals and leftists to admit that they have a number of listservs and also types of private fora that haven’t been widely known to the public, for a long, long time now.

    Of course they did, and they do. They should just fess up to it, because the fact is that it’s been going on long before TPM had its meeting software and it really goes back to…some of the first organizations in the world that are mostly run by liberals…which are Universities.

    When I was at Depaul, there was LawDeans listserve and a separate, *very* private version of it for female Law Deans. That’s been going on for a long time now, at least since 1998, so why is anyone surprised today?

    • Kowalski

      My former boss asked me to set up a different listserv and I deliberately played dumb: I didn’t want her to think I knew how to do it. It’s really simple, though, and it doesn’t surprise me at all that the stories are coordinated and the gossip spins around a well-trodden path among “elite” journos.

      This was a direct reaction to Rush Limbaugh and his “stack of stuff”, which for many many years now Liberals have assumed constituted the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. Rush’s Stack of Stuff is really pretty threadbare overall in comparison to the kind of coordinated work that’s done by liberals and leftists behind the scenes. They’re about 10 times more vocal and organized, by my estimation.

      • jimmuy8

        By the looks of it, the GOP is still gearing up for 1812, technology-wise.

        It’s like conservatives have a genetic phobia to cooperation and communication.

        Simple message enforcement and coordination would be light-years ahead of this sorry bunch we have now . . .

        “They?re about 10 times more vocal and organized, by my estimation.”

    • Caleb

      The question is whether there are supposed journalists on the list. Really, Kowalski, do you mind if I do battle with the left just once, rather than with you?

      - c

      • Kowalski

        I think it would be great if they just admitted it. It isn’t like it’s that much of a SECRET any longer. The thing is that I’m just surprised none of them have mentioned it before. I don’t see why Republicans should have to be the ones to mention it: it’s something they do every day, and they should just tell the American people that they do it by themselves, if they were being honest.

        • paulincolo

          is why the list is such a secret. Is it because of they don’t want people to know they can’t come up with their own ideas (charlatans), or do they think they are violating journalistic ethics by colluding, or is it because they are taking directions from say the DNC, Soros, or the Obama Administration.

          My guess it is the latter, (which really would be a scandal), creating kind of an multi-mastheaded Praavda. No need for hotel break-ins when you can control the message.

      • Kowalski

        I’m really criticizing them: It’s like: “What took you so long?” “Why should we be the ones who tell the world about this? Shoudn’t YOU?”

      • cube

        You have violated the non-compete clause in the contract.

    • Kowalski

      It might surprise some liberals to know, of course, that female law school deans had a completely private listserv through which they deliberately excluded the other gender and talked specifically and very carefully and pointedely about “female law school dean issues” but it wasn’t a surprise to me.

      Most of the high-level information that makes things happen in this country dosen’t happen on blogs. It happens between small groups of private parties who share very carefully the information they need to know in order to get things they think are important, accomplished.

      Period.

  • janis

    I find it telling that they are trying to either deny the story or downplay it for all they’re worth. (Which ain’t much.) If it was no big deal, why not admit to it and show an example of a daily log? This is further proof that these people live by lies, distortions and bias every day of the week. And thrice on Sunday just to spite the churchgoers.

  • Kowalski

    If any of them had the slightest bit of confidence in what they’re doing, if they’re not just acting as a bunch of people walking around in dark sunglasses, and if they really believed they were doing something honorable, they should be the ones to talk about how they have private listservs that cater only to people who have like-minded views.

    It shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone that they do, and have for a long time now, my only point is that if anyone was being honest, it wouldn’t have been a “splash” story on Drudge. It’s not a surprise to me.

  • Jack_Savage

    It is certain to be true, and proves a critical point in the right’s description of the media – lazy, ill informed, reporting on reports of reports, or reporting on polls, or reporting on “some are saying” and “there are allegations” instead of actually taking a look at reality and digging up some facts.

    These are the days of the celebrity journalist – everyone wants to be Woodward and Bernstein, praying that a doddering old throwaway called “Deep Throat” will give them a call and solidify their place in the liberal hack Hall Of Fame. They don’t have the brains or the motivation to actually go where facts lead them, and I am sure this little lefty club provides all of them with enough of the journalistic equivalent of internet term papers for them to keep their jobs.

    This is EXTREMELY important, and probably the most damning indictment of what is left of journalism I have ever read.

    An insular little lefty cesspool in the finest spirit of the communist collective. Damn right we need to stay on this story. Go get ‘em.

  • oldgeezerguy

    Kos is likely being his usual cute by half self.

    He probably has multiple lists of his own to begin with and is likely on the much older activist TownHouse list.

    Plus look at stuff like Unity 09 for his fingers might be in that and many other alternatives.

  • RJD

    To any “journalist” who whines about RedState’s source concerning the J-List story, show us your sources first.
    It is Erick’s right*, and that of any others on here, to protect their sources and provide confidentiality and anonymity whenever possible and prudent.
    It is in the public’s best interest, you see.

    * I don’t necessarily buy-in to the “right” of a journalist to have/use confidential sources. Definitely not as currently practiced. Anonymous sources are vital for background, for filler info that leads to named sources. This has been brutally compromised over the past 8+ years.