The House voted today to block a resolution to remove Charlie Rangel from his chair on the Ways and Means committee. With 6 complicit Republicans, House Democrats prevented both a vote and any further debate by sending it to die in committee. The resolution, brought by Rep. John Carter (R-TX), essentially vanishes now, because, as Rep. Carter pointed out via parliamentary inquiry, the committee has no obligation to consider or debate it any further. The full text is below the fold and I’ll update with video when I can.
The roll call is here. The guilty Republicans are: Walter B. Jones (NC), Peter King (NY), Tim Murphy (PA), Don Young (AK), Dana Rohrabacher (CA), and Ron Paul (TX), with King, Rohrabacher and Young having also voted yea to end debate and hold the referral vote. (If I understood the procedure correctly.)
UPDATE
Some clarification on why there were two votes, and why the totals were different, from Rep. Carter’s office:
“The first vote eliminated any chance for debating the resolution, and the second vote was to refer it to the ethics committee. So it could be said that three people wanted to hear the debate but then they voted to refer it to the ethics committee.”
Full Text of the resolution:
Whereas the gentleman from New York, Charles B. Rangel, the fourth most senior Member of the House of Representatives, serves as chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, a position of considerable power and influence within the House of Representatives;
Whereas clause one of Rule XXIII of the Rules of the House of Representatives provides, “A Member, Delegate, Resident Commission, officer, or employee of the House shall conduct himself at all times in a manner that shall reflect creditably on the House.”;
Whereas The New York Times reported on September 5, 2008, that, “Representative Charles B. Rangel has earned more than $75,000 in rental income from a villa he has owned in the Dominican Republic since 1988, but never reported it on his federal or state tax returns, according to a lawyer for the congressman and documents from the resort.”;
Whereas in an article in the September 5, 2008 edition of The New York Times, his attorney confirmed that Representative Rangel’s annual congressional Financial Disclosure statements failed to disclose the rental income from his resort villa;
Whereas The New York Times reported on September 6, 2008 that, “Representative Charles B. Rangel paid no interest for more than a decade on a mortgage extended to him to buy a villa at a beachfront resort in the Dominican Republic, according to Mr. Rangel’s lawyer and records from the resort. The loan, which was extended to Mr. Rangel in 1988, was originally to be paid back over seven years at a rate of 10.5 percent. But within two years, interest on the loan was waived for Mr. Rangel.”;
Whereas clause 5(a)(2)(A) of House Rule 25 defines a gift as, “…a gratuity, favor, discount, entertainment, hospitality, loan, forbearance, or other item having monetary value” and prohibits the acceptance of such gifts except in limited circumstances;
Whereas Representative Rangel’s acceptance of thousands of dollars in interest forgiveness is a violation of the House gift ban;
Whereas Representative Rangel’s failure to disclose the aforementioned gifts and income on his Personal Financial Disclosure Statements violates House rules and federal law;
Whereas Representative Rangel’s failure to report the aforementioned gifts and income on federal, state and local tax returns is a violation of the tax laws of those jurisdictions;
Whereas the Committee on Ways and Means, which Representative Rangel chairs, has jurisdiction over the United States Tax Code;
Whereas the House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct first announced on July 31, 2008 that it was reviewing allegations of misconduct by Representative Rangel;
Whereas Roll Call newspaper reported on September 15, 2008 that, “The inconsistent reports are among myriad errors, discrepancies and unexplained entries on Rangel’s personal disclosure forms over the past eight years that make it almost impossible to get a clear picture of the Ways and Means chairman’s financial dealings.”;
Whereas the House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct announced on September 24, 2008 that it had established an investigative subcommittee in the matter of Representative Rangel;
Whereas after the Ethics Committee probe was underway, The New York Times reported on November 24, 2008 that, “Congressional records and interviews show that Mr. Rangel was instrumental in preserving a lucrative tax loophole that benefited Nabors Industries an oil drilling company last year, while at the same time its chief executive was pledging $1 million to the Charles B. Rangel School of Public Service at C.C.N.Y.”;
Whereas the House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct announced on December 9, 2008 that it had expanded the jurisdiction of the aforementioned investigative subcommittee to examine the allegations related to Representative Rangel’s involvement with Nabors Industries;
Whereas since then, further serious allegations of improper and potentially illegal conduct by Representative Rangel have surfaced;
Whereas during the recently completed August district work period, Representative Rangel acknowledged his failure to publicly disclose at least half a million dollars in cash assets, tens of thousands of dollars in investment income, and his ownership of two pieces of property in New Jersey;
Whereas corrected financial disclosure statements filed by Representative Rangel on August 12, 2009 now reveal his net worth to be nearly twice as much as he had previously revealed;
Whereas The New York Times newspaper reported on August 26, 2009 that, “United States Representative Charles B. Rangel, whose personal finances and fund raising are the subject of two House ethics investigations, failed to report at least $500,000 in assets on his 2007 Congressional disclosure form, according to an amended report he filed this month. Among the dozen newly disclosed holdings revealed in the amended forms are a checking account at a federal credit union with a balance between $250,000 and $500,000; three vacant lots in Glassboro, N.J., valued at a total of $1,000 to $15,000; and stock in PepsiCo worth between $15,000 and $50,000.”;
Whereas Roll Call newspaper reported on August 25, 2009 that Representative Rangel’s corrected filings also revealed “at least $250,001 in a fund called ML Allianz Global Investors Consults Diversified Port III.”;
Whereas the aforementioned Roll Call story reported that “Rangel also originally misreported that his investments in 2007 netted him $6,511-$17,950 in dividends, capital gains and rental income. In his revised filing, that range jumped to between $29,220 and $81,200.”;
Whereas these most recent revelations by Representative Rangel have resulted in heightened national news media coverage of alleged impropriety and potentially criminal conduct by one of the most senior Members of the House;
Whereas an editorial in The Washington Times newspaper on September 1, 2009 noted, “Charlie Rangel is one lucky guy. The Democratic congressman from Harlem, N.Y., just discovered that his net wealth is twice what he thought. That’s a pretty good day at the office for a public servant. Mr. Rangel also realized that he made tens of thousands of dollars more than he reported in many different years over the past decade. This is the most recent string in a series of financial bonanzas for Mr. Rangel, who last year admitted he had forgotten about $75,000 in rental income on his Caribbean resort property.”;
Whereas the same editorial also noted, “The congressman has failed to pay property taxes on two lots in New Jersey, according to the New York Post. That’s not all. In order to avoid taxes and get lower mortgage rates, Mr. Rangel simultaneously claimed three ‘primary residences’.”;
Whereas an editorial in the September 17, 2009 edition of the New Haven Register stated, “The ethics and tax complaints keep piling up against U.S. Rep. Charles B. Rangel, who as chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee controls writing of the nation’s tax laws. The New York Democrat may write those laws, but he apparently feels no obligation to obey them. The investigation appears to have a long way to go. The man who is in charge of writing the nation’s tax laws doesn’t pay his federal income or local property taxes. He has such a poor grasp of his own finances that he neglects to list half his assets on a disclosure form intended to keep members of Congress accountable and honest. We can already hear the defense of the next tax deadbeat called into court. If Charlie Rangel doesn’t have to pay his taxes, why should I?”;
Whereas, an article in The Washington Post on September 15, 2009 stated, “Rangel is now the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee and a man of immense importance in Washington. Nonetheless, he has been busy of late revising and amending the record, backing and filling, using buckets of Wite-Out as he discovers or remembers properties he has owned in New York, New Jersey, Florida, the Dominican Republic and God only knows where else. Rangel recently even discovered bank accounts that no one in the world, apparently including him, knew he had. One was with the Congressional Federal Credit Union; another was with Merrill Lynch – each valued between $250,000 and $500,000. He somehow neglected to mention these accounts on his congressional disclosure forms, which means, if you can believe it, that when he signed the forms, he did not notice that maybe $1 million was missing. Someone ought to check the lighting in his office.”;
Whereas the same article in The Washington Post stated, “There is something wrong with Charlie Rangel. Either he did not notice that he was worth about twice as much as he said he was – which is downright worrisome in a congressional leader – or he thinks he’s above the law, which is downright worrisome in a congressional leader.”;
Whereas it has been more than one year since an editorial in The New York Times on September 15, 2008 stated, “Mounting embarrassment for taxpayers and Congress makes it imperative that Representative Charles Rangel step aside as chairman of the Ways and Means Committee while his ethical problems are investigated.”;
Whereas at various times during the past twelve months Representative Rangel and Speaker Pelosi have made public statements asserting that the ongoing investigation of Representative Rangel by the Committee on Standards of Official Conduct would soon be concluded;
Whereas the Committee has to date issued no public statements concerning any expected timeline for conducting or concluding its investigation of Representative Rangel;
Whereas major daily newspapers, including The New York Times, The Washington Post , and The New York Post have called for Representative Rangel’s removal from his powerful position at least until the House Ethics Committee has completed its ongoing probes of allegations against him;
Whereas, Representative Rangel’s powerful position as chairman permits him to participate in high level decisions about critically important issues such as reform of the nation’s health care system;
Whereas an October 1, 2009 story in The New York Times stated, “Mr. Rangel is one of a small group of House leaders now meeting almost daily behind closed doors with Speaker Nancy Pelosi to distill from the three bills produced in separate committees the one package that will go to the House floor.;
Whereas an Associated Press story on September 20, 2009 stated, “The ethics committee’s investigation of Rangel is almost a year old. It’s as much a problem for House Democratic leaders as for Rangel himself. Later this year, when Rangel’s committee considers estate tax legislation that could expand into other matters, the headlines will be a version of this message: ‘Tax scofflaw presiding over tax changes.’”;
Whereas the New York Post newspaper reported on September 2, 2009 that, “A review of property records for the borough of Glassboro revealed at least six tax liens levied against Rangel’s property during the past 16 years. Just last year, two separate liens were levied against both properties owned by Rangel.”;
Whereas on May 24, 2006, then Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi cited “high ethical standards” in a letter to former Representative William Jefferson asking that he resign his seat on the Committee on Ways and Means in light of ongoing investigations into alleged financial impropriety by Representative Jefferson;
Whereas Speaker Pelosi took the aforementioned action while Representative Jefferson was under investigation and the subject of considerable controversy in the news media, but prior to any indictment
Whereas on May 24, 2006, then Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi cited “high ethical standards” in a letter to former Representative William Jefferson asking that he resign his seat on the Committee on Ways and Means in light of ongoing investigations into alleged financial impropriety by Representative Jefferson;
Whereas in April of 2007, Republican Leader John Boehner successfully urged several Republican Members to relinquish their committee assignments after learning that each had become the subject of investigations into possible criminal activity;
Whereas Leader Boehner took the aforementioned actions while the Members in question were under investigation and the subjects of widespread media controversy, but prior to any indictments;
Whereas in the wake of the most recent allegations against Representative Rangel various editorials and articles in major national newspapers criticizing Speaker Pelosi’s continued refusal to remove Representative Rangel as chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means after promising she would preside over “the most ethical Congress in history” have held the House up to public ridicule; Now, therefore, be it
Resolved, that upon adoption of this resolution and pending completion of the investigation into his affairs by the Committee on Standards of Official Conduct, Representative Rangel is hereby removed as chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means.

so what does Ron Paul have to hide?
Neil Stevens Wednesday, October 7th at 3:16PM EDT (link)Or Rohrabacher, or King, or Young, or Murphy, or Jones, that the Democrats were able to ‘persuade’ them into voting this way?
We need primary challengers for all.
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We need Primary Challengers to all 425.
yoyo Wednesday, October 7th at 3:27PM EDT (link)No offense Henry Brown, Jr.
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Neil Stevens Wednesday, October 7th at 3:42PM EDT (link)a) I don’t care if the Ds have challenges or not
b) We have a lot of *good* Rs in there and you should leave them alone
c) It’s 435 not 425.
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Apologies for the typo:
yoyo Thursday, October 8th at 8:59AM EDT (link)But I will still disagree with you.
Congress should NOT be a career, by any stretch. Not the House, not the Senate [or the SC either, for that matter]. Else, you have persons kingdom building and becoming corrupt from the Lobbyist Freebees and becoming too powerful for just one person (or party).
[Think: Duke Cunningham, Barney Frank, the Torch, Nancy, Harry, Charlie, et al.]
I am just saying that they should all have a Serious Challenge every 2 or 6 years. Every Time. Because, no matter how well you do your job, someone can always do it better. And that better person should be the one doing it.
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sccrenny Thursday, October 8th at 11:09PM EDT (link)knee-jerked and responded inappropriately. Actually I agree that it would be nice if we had a better alternative for even the best of our congresspeople running to keep them honest. However term limits, as appealing as they are, have several drawbacks which lead me to oppose them.
The short argument is that term limits usurp the power of the ballot box. If you happen to have a Jim Demint representing you (as I do), it would be a shame not to be able to reelect him. I can only pray that “Goober” Graham has a strong challenger his next turn at bat…
When I look at Barack Obama I don’t see black. I don’t see white. I do, however see RED! It’s the same color I see when I look at Pelosi, Reid, ACORN, SEIU…
I am not saying "Term Limits" per se, but
yoyo Friday, October 9th at 9:43AM EDT (link)Just that each Congressman/Senator should be scared for their job, always.
However, I do believe that there should be some sort of Term Limit. It is too easy to have retarded legislation pushed through by “Representatives” that have been there about 20 years too long. This would alleviate the Lobbyist hold over the House, considering that the Reps are only there for a few terms (say 6, max.), and guarantee a fresh look at National Security, Tax Code, Housing, etc.
The Senate, being the deliberate body of Congress, has a slower process by nature, and could literally “wait out” an extreme [right or left] push by the House, but 6 terms is more than enough for any one Senator. Byrd and Rockefeller have both out lived their purpose. Heck, Rockefeller even runs campaign adds out of state in getting elected. [If you want, I will try to find where I found that before.]
Maybe a required “2 cycle moratorium” between each 6 term section would work.
I dunno. Don’t ask me. I just work here.
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sccrenny Friday, October 9th at 5:15PM EDT (link)approach. Maybe a mandatory retirement age of 65? (You know 6 senate terms is 36 years, right?) In any event, the ideal situation would be a more open system for good challengers to move into position to provide a real choice for replacing incumbents.
Hmmm…. maybe adjust the primary system such that each additional term requires a higher percentage of the vote. 50% first term, 55% second term, 60% third term…
When I look at Barack Obama I don’t see black. I don’t see white. I do, however see RED! It’s the same color I see when I look at Pelosi, Reid, ACORN, SEIU…
I think I'll do some digging into TX-14 as primary challengers
Richard Mullins Wednesday, October 7th at 3:32PM EDT (link)because with that he’s starting to look a idiot. I’m a little lost for words as to why my congressman(Ted Poe) voted Present and not no. I’m think we have a Paulbot that disguises as a conservative(I think you might figure who it is). I’d be ashamed to even be in a District that has Congressman Pork.
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Has anyone called their offices?
DontBanMeBro Wednesday, October 7th at 4:24PM EDT (link)Any response?
Rohrabacher
joliefleurs Wednesday, October 7th at 3:25PM EDT (link)is mine, and he’s not a bad ol’ scout, honestly; I think he is just very conscious of protocol and process. I believe he feels that the investigation should run its proper course.
No he's not
Neil Stevens Wednesday, October 7th at 3:44PM EDT (link)He’s just pro-crook.
Remember: He voted to censure Wilson.
Rohrabacher must be primaried.
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I sent him a letter about the Wilson issue
joliefleurs Wednesday, October 7th at 5:40PM EDT (link)and he sent me a decent letter about how he feels strongly that protocol should be observed. (Mind you, it took two full pages for him to get his point across!)
I’ve met the man a few times, and have attended his telephone Town Halls, and I still think he is a decent person.
Pompous, beyond a doubt, but he almost always votes the way he should.
I’ll stand by him unless he caves on health care, or if he doesn’t vote to bounce Rangel after the Ethics investigation is completed.
I sent him a letter about the Wilson issue
joliefleurs Wednesday, October 7th at 5:40PM EDT (link)and he sent me a decent letter about how he feels strongly that protocol should be observed. (Mind you, it took two full pages for him to get his point across!)
I’ve met the man a few times, and have attended his telephone Town Halls, and I still think he is a decent person.
Pompous, beyond a doubt, but he almost always votes the way he should.
I’ll stand by him unless he caves on health care, or if he doesn’t vote to bounce Rangel after the Ethics investigation is completed.
Re: Dana Rohrabacher
Erick Brockway Wednesday, October 7th at 8:25PM EDT (link)His reasoning (good or bad you decide);
via Twitter response to our own @redinbleustate.
Did anyone ask them to vote to remove Rangel from Congress? What am I missing?
If he’s under investigation for ethics violations and won’t step down, what’s wrong with having him removed from that House chairmanship?
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That's a darn good reason...
$peciallist Wednesday, October 7th at 9:28PM EDT (link)we must stay after Rangel….he is profoundly corrupt
he won’t be able to hide it much longer
Rohrabacher
dudette Thursday, October 8th at 9:52AM EDT (link)I remmeber him from college days as an 18 year old whiz kid conservative with Young Americans for Freedom who could out debate anyone. I wish he was my congressman unfortunately i have Schumer Happens! and Gillibrand. R. is a principled conservative and i respect him. He votes the right way.
Doctor Representative Saint Ronald Ernest Paul, M.D., voted NO?
Third Street Wednesday, October 7th at 3:28PM EDT (link)I can’t wait to hear my Paulian sister and brother-in-law explain this one to me.
I never even understand why he's even a congressman there
Richard Mullins Wednesday, October 7th at 3:37PM EDT (link)really he votes against his constituents quite often. He’s nothing close to the people of his district. He’s as Porky as SJL and that’s not I want in Congress.
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This just staggers me, although it shouldn't surprise me.
janis Wednesday, October 7th at 3:31PM EDT (link)But on the other hand, didn’t someone here point out that if Rangel stepped down that his replacement would be somebody worse whose name escapes me at the moment?
You must mean Fortney Pete Stark -nt-
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Would he really be any worse?
Third Street Wednesday, October 7th at 3:40PM EDT (link)‘Cause frankly I can’t picture anyone being MORE corrupt and damaging as Rangel in the Ways and Means chair.
Yeah, Stark could be worse. He's not only corrupt,
janis Wednesday, October 7th at 3:51PM EDT (link)he’s a truly hateful, spittle flecked, radically stupid liberal who told a senior citizen in a Townhall meeting on Sept. 14th that, “I wouldn’t pee on your leg, it’d be a waste of urine.”
On the other hand, having Stark front and center would lend a certain further-crazed face to the party in power. A few months of his utter nastiness and vindictiveness toward our side would turn the stomachs of the remaining independents and Dem moderates who might still be supporting Obama.
In a sort of way he's counter-intuitive for Democrats
Richard Mullins Wednesday, October 7th at 3:59PM EDT (link)but great for us. Put him instead of cigarette voice Rangel and we have an better change of tearing them down.
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Third Street Wednesday, October 7th at 3:59PM EDT (link)…and as a practical matter I still don’t see him as any worse than Rangel. Charlie’s that bad. You’re right, though, that the crazier these people LOOK, the better.
Yeah, NY State's Gov.
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Um, what?
Neil Stevens Wednesday, October 7th at 3:43PM EDT (link)Are you just an idiot or are you spreading nonsense to try to defend one of the members in that list?
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Neil, I think yoyo is referring to this..
Aaron Gardner Wednesday, October 7th at 3:59PM EDT (link)here
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conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
It still misses the point
Neil Stevens Wednesday, October 7th at 4:02PM EDT (link)This resolution would have booted him from his committee chairmanship.
And after the primary-everyone crack I’m not exactly inclined to give much benefit of the doubt.
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Oh I get it Neil, just providing the possible background. nt
Aaron Gardner Wednesday, October 7th at 4:12PM EDT (link)Aaron’s Archive
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Primary "Crack?"
yoyo Thursday, October 8th at 9:02AM EDT (link)So you are not for competition? Once you are ‘in’, you stay?
Good or not, you should still be challenged.
And “thank you” Aaron for the link. I was in a hurry and forgot to post it.
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Yes janis, Rangel is much better than Pete Stark.
Xasteius Wednesday, October 7th at 4:13PM EDT (link)Exhibit A:
Aside: Pete Stark did not apologize for his comments on the sitting president, nor was he censured for his comment.
Exhibit B:
If oyu aren’t offended yet, more quotes can be found, featuring such gems as:
and a few things that would get me banned.
Quick summary: This guy could fit easily with Obama’s czars. Given a choice, I’ll take the tax cheat over the moonbat any day of the week.
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Betsy Markey (D, CO-4) is in favor
NightTwister Wednesday, October 7th at 3:40PM EDT (link)of a lying tax cheat to be in charge of the IRS. That’ll play well around here…
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I hate to be the spoilsport, but...
Steph C Wednesday, October 7th at 4:01PM EDT (link)does this really surprise anybody? These self-same Republicans mouth what they think we want to hear all the time and do the opposite of what their mouths say.
They wouldn’t know a real conservative principle if it hit them between the eyes. Oh, they try to maintain an appearance of such but because they don’t believe it in their bones like they ought to, the facade always slips when it’s most important.
Primary the lot of them, including the Dems. We need a clean sweep in Washington. Time to clean House and let’s make it a Fall 2010 cleaning that they won’t soon forget.
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Um...
Neil Stevens Wednesday, October 7th at 4:03PM EDT (link)Look again at the numbers. You’re being ridiculous.
Republicans voted 147-6 in favor of the resolution as I read Caleb’s post.
This vote doesn’t even come close to supporting what you’re saying.
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Sorry, but I disagree.
Steph C Wednesday, October 7th at 4:21PM EDT (link)There are a lot of them I’d keep if I had the power to vote for them but at this point in time, nobody should get a free pass. Those who are good conservatives and true representatives of the people will not lose.
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Well that's the difference between you and me
Neil Stevens Wednesday, October 7th at 4:23PM EDT (link)You want to target Republicans. I want to target Democrats.
I want Pelosi out as speaker. You’d rather savage our ranks to ensure her continued control.
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If that's what you think, I can't help that.
Steph C Wednesday, October 7th at 4:39PM EDT (link)Granted I may not have been active in politics much but I’ve watched what goes on for a long time.
The only reason there’s a “party of no” is because they are in the minority to an extent that they’re not really even necessary to the Dems’ agenda. During the ‘06-’08 term many of the same ones still there danced in out of the dance with the Dems who were in the majority at that time, too. Of course there were the normal RINOs who could always be counted on. And there are conservative Republicans who can be counted on to stand by their principles.
Before ‘06 when the Republicans had a majority, they still danced with the Dems on a number of issues for which we are still paying.
Are there some really good ones I’d keep? Absolutely.
What I want… which I readily acknowledge is probably a pipe dream… is to restore the federal government to what it ought to be.
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The worse part wasn't the 6 republicans that voted yes
Richard Mullins Wednesday, October 7th at 5:37PM EDT (link)it’s the 20 republicans that either voted present or didn’t vote. Those congressmen/congresswomen could have help out a bit to make not as bad as it was.
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Yeah, but Neil is still right.
Steph C Wednesday, October 7th at 5:57PM EDT (link)At least partially.
I just get so frustrated because you never know which little enclave is going to cave at any given time and I popped off with that frustration.
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As I've stated in this thread that my congresscritter
Richard Mullins Wednesday, October 7th at 6:02PM EDT (link)voted present on this. That’s a crying shame, but I wouldn’t try to primary him over that. Really ,we need to have a much stronger tone with the Republicans in the House and put the fear of god in them quick.
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Oh I understand frustration, heh
Neil Stevens Wednesday, October 7th at 6:31PM EDT (link)But I also hope you understand when people start calling for large scale attacks on our caucus, that somebody’s got to challenge that idea around here.
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There Is No Crisis
Of course.
Steph C Wednesday, October 7th at 6:34PM EDT (link)And rightly so.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics
Not sure they matter
Neil Stevens Wednesday, October 7th at 6:05PM EDT (link)This one wasn’t close.
Presents and NVs matter only when there’s Democrat defection.
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Everyone who voted Present
Caleb Howe Wednesday, October 7th at 6:22PM EDT (link).. is on the committee to which the matter was sent to die. It is their standard practice to vote present in such a case.
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Nope.
Nick Haynes Wednesday, October 7th at 10:32PM EDT (link)You are correct in saying that all the members of the Ethics committee voted present (with the exception of Zoe Lofgren, who didn’t vote).
But there are only 5 D’s and 5 R’s on the committee. You still had 16 R’s vote present or not vote (9 of which were present votes–the not votings could have been absent).
If you’re not networking, you’re not helping.
My understanding
Caleb Howe Thursday, October 8th at 1:06AM EDT (link)Was that every R voting present was on the committee. I’ll check.
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This Helps Republicans
crosley Wednesday, October 7th at 4:31PM EDT (link)Honestly, the best thing that could have happened to Republicans would have been if Democrats had removed him or forced him to step down. Everyone would have forgotten about it by the time the 2010 elections came around, and Democrats would have looked responsible for cleaning up their own house.
Democrats have now gone on the record and formally voted to protect a tax-cheat in charge of the most powerful committee in the House.
Rangel will be a juicy, legitimate target for Republicans in 2010 to run against that we’ll still be able to beat like a pinata. Democrat’s in conservative districts will have Rangel and Pelosi tied around their necks.
Rangel’s replacement would be no better, and even if Democrat’s were able to force Rangel to resign his seat, his district is Harlem and you would get the same exact type of Democrat elected to replace him that would have a lifetime seat.
Mistake
crosley Wednesday, October 7th at 4:35PM EDT (link)Meant to say “worst thing that could happened to Republicans” in the first line.
Young still has a USDOJ investigation hanging over his head.
Achance Wednesday, October 7th at 4:39PM EDT (link)Another thing to thank GWB’s hiring practices for! He’s probably thinking he might be facing a similar resolution against him. They don’t need evidence, they just need votes and the Ds have the votes; we don’t.
In Vino Veritas
We really need your 'how to take over a government from the Democrats' book before 2012
Finrod Wednesday, October 7th at 5:01PM EDT (link)Preferably sufficiently before that we can send copies to every Republican that runs for President 2012.
—
Finrod’s First Law of Bandwidth:
A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it takes the bandwidth of ten thousand.
Have told him that as well, Finrod.
janis Wednesday, October 7th at 5:06PM EDT (link)A few weeks ago, if I recall. C’mon Achance, if we promise to pay for our orders ahead of time, will you just print out what you know and send it to us as your subscribers? We shall read it in private. And received it in plain brown wrappers. If asked, we shall proudly proclaim that it’s porn.:-)
Do it for the children.
To some people, it IS porn. nt
Achance Wednesday, October 7th at 5:20PM EDT (link)In Vino Veritas
It's not the cover but whats inside that counts.
Steph C Wednesday, October 7th at 6:22PM EDT (link)I’ll swear it’s porn. Wouldn’t really be a lie since the Dems would probably call it that even knowing what the words say.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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Working on it. Hope to have a manuscript ready
Achance Wednesday, October 7th at 5:20PM EDT (link)to shop by Jan. ‘10. Then all I have to do is find a publisher.
In Vino Veritas
Great, we'll show up at your book signing and you
janis Wednesday, October 7th at 5:29PM EDT (link)can give us our props. We’ll all wear Ronald Reagan masks.
Tell ya' what janis,
Achance Wednesday, October 7th at 5:34PM EDT (link)PM me at achanceNOSPAMgci.net so I have your email address and you can read the current 101 pages, 58,285 words, and tell me what you think. Just replace the NOSPAM with an @. At least I’m told that doin email addresses that way fools the spiders.
In Vino Veritas
Will do. And I'm really looking forward to it.
janis Wednesday, October 7th at 5:37PM EDT (link)Email on its way.
Be warned; it's rough and disorganized.
Achance Wednesday, October 7th at 5:47PM EDT (link)This is what I’m re-writing from.
In Vino Veritas
I live in the eastern hill-country of Tn, Achance.
janis Wednesday, October 7th at 5:52PM EDT (link)“Rough and disorganized” pretty much describes the entire neighborhood and outlying areas. I’m looking for your wisdom on solutions, actions to be undertaken at the state and local level, not finesse at this point. Finesse is just the final polish.
I think we have had a pretty solid lesson last November on how finesse is just the gloss on the empty gourd.
I'll make that trade
Neil Stevens Wednesday, October 7th at 6:06PM EDT (link)Young steps down from all his committee chairmanships, and so does Rangel.
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Heat up the Tar and get out the feathers
Jesse V Thursday, October 8th at 7:33PM EDT (link)Its time to tar and feather every one of those thieving, conniving, lying you know whats and run them all out of town on a rail!
Remember these words Patriots of America.
Its time to start over.
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. –Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.
Due Process
WilliamR Saturday, October 10th at 8:43PM EDT (link)It is called Due Process! When Rangel is disciplined in the ethics committee or convicted in a court of law then things will be different. Till then all these emotional calls for someone to step down are pointless. Tom Delay had his career ruined by a political DA in Austin.