Ziegler Makes Waves Left and Right


There has been no small amount of buzz on the right the last few days in the wake of Western CPAC. There were two dramas this weekend, one decidedly more dramatic than the other, which are both symptomatic of some deep problems with the conference and, generally, with the state of activism on the right.

The less dramatic of the two involved my friend Ed Morrissey of Hot Air. While participating in a “New Media” panel, Ed was ambushed by another panel member who accused him of “rudeness” for disagreeing with an earlier presentation in an article published at Hot Air. More bizarrely, the “New Media’ panel member proceeded to belittle the importance of new media, urging people to “pick up the phone.” It is certainly worth noting that the panel member, Christopher Carmouche, is in the fax blasting business. Yes. Really. A number of bloggers and attendees speculate that Carmouche “donated” his way onto the panel.

Which is a pretty good segue to the much bigger drama to come out of this weekend: Ziegler vs. Keene.

American Conservative Union chair David Keene, you may recall, was the central figure in an ugly pay-to-play scandal earlier this year. He also supported Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey … you know, back when Specter was a “republican.” He also previously accused Sarah Palin of “whining” about negative media coverage and “bailing” on her office as Governor.

Enter another friend of mine, documentarian and relentless interviewer John Ziegler. Ziegler was an invited speaker at WCPAC, just as he has been at the last few CPAC events. While there, he did that thing which is the very reason he gets invited to such events: he conducted an aggressive on-camera interview.

When the subjects of Keene’s pay-to-play scandal, Palin criticisms, Specter support came up, the tone became decidedly adversarial, and Keene soon abruptly tried to end the interview. Zielger, however, did not give up. Read Ziegler’s take here, and scroll to the bottom to see the whole episode play out on video. It’s important that you read and watch to understand the remainder of my article.

As you might expect, there has been both support and criticism regarding Ziegler’s interview. I think by far the best analysis has come from Ed Morrissey, with J.P. Freire’s thoughtful post also well-worth reading. Ultimately I have to disagree with the critics.

John Ziegler is a personality on the right for doing precisely what he did here. This is the very thing. The fact that this time it was David Keene rather than David Shuster or Katie Couric is the only difference. Ziegler was a credentialed speaker for WCPAC. He was invited to speak because he makes hard-hitting documentaries and doggedly pursues stories. He’s good at it. Far from criticizing him for lack of courtesy, we celebrate his championing of the cause in hostile environments like daytime MSNBC; for facing off with folks like Keith Olbermann (more on that in a minute.) So yes, it is reasonable for J.P. to dislike this form of interview or journalism; but is, I think, very unreasonable for WCPAC to throw Ziegler out for doing the very thing that got him invited in the first place. Invited, I might add, to speak about being unjustly removed from a media event earlier this year. Yep.

But there is a bigger picture here too. As Ed, Ziegler, and many others have pointed out since the event, the attendees shared a sense that the whole thing wasn’t really about the message, but rather about the money; thus fax-blasting. Even worse, though, was the attitude on display. Shut up, get in line. It’s why Ed was called “rude” on his own panel, it’s why Newt endorsed Scozzafava, it’s why the RNC endorsed Crist, and it’s why David Keene saw fit to finance Arlen Specter, who promptly turned coat.

As Ben Domenech recently extensively detailed, much of the right is failing to adapt to a new environment. The WCPAC flare-ups are just symptoms of a larger disconnect. The grassroots are disconnected from the party, the new media is not understood by the old money, and the leadership is increasingly deaf to the base.

If you are like me, you are with the grassroots, the activists. So maybe, like me, you think it’s about time someone got in the faces of the old guard and demanded answers.

Just a thought.

So that’s the waves on the right. Now for the waves on the left …

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Damn RIGHT I expect someone or ME to get in the faces....

JadedByPolitics Tuesday, October 20th at 1:09PM EDT (link)

of the old guard and tell them to STAND DOWN! They have RUINED a perfectly great Conservative party by making it a D’lite party and I aint’ saying “delight” because it has been HELL for us out here in the grassroots. So they can either get in line for a change and do it our way or make the move and put the D after their pathetic names and LEAVE and don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you!

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E Pluribus Unum Tuesday, October 20th at 1:46PM EDT (link)

That was some turn of events.I can tell you one thing for sure. Ziegler sure gave me an education in those articles and video. I really would have expected better of the ACU. Now I have learned something.

As I have always thought, the GOP leadership, and the old guard in the conservative leadership, are just poisoned through and through with (a) compromise with Democrats, (2) distraction from conservative principles, and (c) self-interest at the expense of principle.

All the more reason to embrace the Tea Parties, the Liberty Alliance Tour, RedState, all this new blood. Refreshing lack of entrenched politics. Instead, there is real motivation about real issues and real principles by people who previously had not been involved and who for the most part don’t have anything to gain except in the sense of what all Americans gain from defeating Cap-n-Crap, nationalized health care, and so on.

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Hey EPU...where have you been....Your missed here in the tranches...

AceInTX Tuesday, October 20th at 6:42PM EDT (link)

Post something good would ya?!

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Hey thanks Ace. funny you should mention that

E Pluribus Unum Tuesday, October 20th at 11:34PM EDT (link)

Fredhead 6 is due out this week.

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What would Fred do? I think that needs to be repeated

Richard Mullins Wednesday, October 21st at 12:03AM EDT (link)

so I and EPU shall. Really, sometimes you need to be a little bold and do this. My late Grandmother was famous for Telling people to there faces if she didn’t like them and always her feelings be known.

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I'm waiting with baited breath...I need to get of the RINO kick and write something less confrontational too

AceInTX Wednesday, October 21st at 3:56PM EDT (link)

I just don’t have the time and have been relegated to jumping in and venting when I’m pissed or commenting in threads…

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Whitehorse Tuesday, October 20th at 5:19PM EDT (link)

The Caramouche incident really sticks out to me - he owns a fax blasting business. I guess he also does buggy whips on mass industrial scale? He is indicative of what is wrong; elders who are no longer effective & need to be replaced.

This happened several months ago at my church - while the pastor was giving the message, an elder interrupted him & trashed some of the sources our pastor used. That elder is no longer an elder; I think he even left & is attending another church. This was not the first time he had interrupted our pastor, & this had caused disruption in the church. Our church is becoming stronger now that he’s gone.

 

This says what I've been flailing around abrasively trying to communicate for months...

AceInTX Tuesday, October 20th at 6:40PM EDT (link)

As Ben Domenech recently extensively detailed, much of the right is failing to adapt to a new environment. The WCPAC flare-ups are just symptoms of a larger disconnect. The grassroots are disconnected from the party, the new media is not understood by the old money, and the leadership is increasingly deaf to the base.

This is what I’m seeing…and I’m here to tell you…things are moving on the ground and there is an undercurrent that the establishment of the Republican Party has no inkling of.

Several months ago I think it was Mark Kirk who said something along the lines of the Republican Party has gained it’s feet when the Tea Party movement erupted in town halls across this country…and I’m her to tell you…If the establishment thinks they are going to jump onto the tracks and hijack this movement like they did in 1994 and drive it off the rails…they’d better be ready to get run over…We’re pissed and unrepresented…This is a spontaneous un-lead movement that has sprung up as a result of the desperation many of us felt because noone was speaking for us after the Bushies and Obomites railroaded us with a trillion dollars worth of spending and federal seizures of banks and the auto industry within months before and after the election

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
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We know that Ace, we just enjoy your abrasive flailing! nt

nessa Tuesday, October 20th at 7:08PM EDT (link)

“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

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LOL...I gotta be me...nt

AceInTX Tuesday, October 20th at 7:25PM EDT (link)

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Speaking of Abrasive...I just watched all three You Tube videos and I've gotta say...Ziegler lost me when he started taunting

AceInTX Tuesday, October 20th at 7:31PM EDT (link)

and carried on the rest of the day with his shenanigans…

His going after Keene was great and I had no problem with it at all…but when Keene got up and walked away…the interview ended and Ziegler went over the line by following and taunting Keene as opposed to asking questions and allowing him to answer.

He particularly went over the line by refusing to leave the stage and I wouldn’t shed any tears for everything that happened after that.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
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Ace- I'm surprised at your reaction

Scope Tuesday, October 20th at 8:56PM EDT (link)

Keene has been dishonest to call himself a conservative. I knew that when Ron Kessler posted comments that Keene made concerning Palin back months ago. You don’t have to like Palin, but, for the head of the Conservative PAC to make such unprofessional remarks about someone that was widely seen to be a conservative, showed me at that point that he had other horses in the race, or, had some personal reason for disliking Palin. Were his comments necessary? No. As the head of a Conservative organixzation, he should have had the decency to just shut up.

If you think that Ziegler was wrong to “demand” answers from Keene, do you also think it was wrong for McCormic (I think that was his name) to follow Scozafazza and demand answers from her as well? Should those that waver on Republican/Conservative policies just be able to do the duck and hide game because they are on the wrong side of the issues? I’m really quite happy that they may think they can run, but, they cannot hide from the tough questions, and, that’s as it should be.

Good points...I'll need to chew on that...

AceInTX Wednesday, October 21st at 3:53PM EDT (link)

I don’t have an issue with him confronting Keene and asking tough questions…I’ve always considered Keene a fraud and an opportunist…but there was a point in all that on the video where Ziegler went from asking questions and demanding answers taunting like a school yard bully and being a complete ass. That’s the part I’m referring to…it’s good theater though…LOL

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