UPDATE: The RMSP, A Liberal Insurgency In Our Midst: Part 1


What Everyone Should Know About The RMSP And Their Sister Organizations

Originally posted as:

Ever Wonder How All Those RINOS Got Control Of The GOP? What You Should Know About The Republican Main Street Project
Posted by A.C. Swiger on Thursday, June 26, 2008 6:41:52 PM

**I’ve done quite a bit of research on the RMSP prior to the election and stopped for a while to avoid torpedoing our candidate and our chances in the 2008 elections. I am re-posting planning this to bring everyone back to speed on what I’ve posted to date and I hope this will be the first of several installments depending how well this is received and if it get’s enough interest to make the additional research worth the effort.

One more before the review…Since the election is now over I’ll add one more little tidbit that I buried when this was first posted. The RMSP has an award that is given out to the person that year who has done the most to promote their moderate, (read subversive and liberal), positions…their most prominent member to receive this award in the last several years is none other than one JOHN SYDNEY MCCAIN. So much for the “Foot soldier in the Reagan Revolution!*

Now, without further adieu: *

Have you ever wondered where all those RINOs go to scheme and subvert the goals of Conservatives in the Republican Party and how they maintain “Centrist”, (read Liberal), control of a center right party? Ever wonder what ever happened to the Gingrich Revolution when the GOP stormed Washington and gained control of the House of Representatives for the first time in 40 years? Have you ever wanted to know why we weren’t able to complete the Contract with America or how the losses of 2006 were engineered and who engineered them?

Well…look no farther. I stumbled upon The Republican Main Street Project while researching information for another article.


I’ve heard of the Republican Main Street Project but never paid any attention to who they were or what they were about over the years since the Republican sweeps in the 1994 elections. Well…Today I got an answer to that and many questions I’ve asked myself since 1994.

From their Web Site:

“The November 1994 mid-term elections were commonly referred to as the “Republican Revolution.” Given the great gains made by Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate, a group of moderate House Republicans began informal meetings to discuss ways to further a centrist, pragmatic Republican agenda — one that could accommodate bipartisan legislative results. At that time, there was great concern that a dramatic shift to the right was quickly approaching, given the new congressional leadership. The discussion group began to craft a moderate Republican agenda with a fiscally conservative background.

What began as a congressional discussion group started by Reps. Nancy Johnson, Steve Gunderson and Fred Upton has evolved into a national gathering of leaders from government, business and education who share a commitment to conservative, pragmatic approaches to business in a global context; to compassion in our communities and character in our national leaders.

Many of the original participants are now leaders of Main Street. The Chairman of the Board is John “Jock” McKernan, a former member of Congress, and two-term Governor of Maine. An original founder of the Partnership is former Rep. Amo Houghton of New York, who is the only former corporate CEO of a Fortune 500 company to have served in the House of Representatives…..

Addressing a broad spectrum of issues, the Partnership reaches out to disenfranchised Republicans– people who are distressed by the stridency too-often associated with the Party, and to others attracted by a thoughtful, centrist approach to Republican politics. The Partnership demonstrates inclusion, respect, reason and compassion.

In the words of Gov. McKernan, the message of the Partnership is “one of quiet diplomacy, rather than wedge politics.”

Say what? “Given the great gains made by Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate” These guys, by their own words, written on their own web site, were so overcome by a “great concern that a dramatic shift to the right was quickly approaching, given the new congressional leadership” that they formed an organization of RINOS to undercut and subvert everything that had been done by grass roots activists, (what the preamble to the Constitution calls “We The People”), to return this government to sanity!

You got it…we returned the Congress to Republican Rule for the first time in 40 years, and they couldn’t stand it! How dare we stand up for anything and how dare we steal the Congress from its rightful owners in the Democrat Party?

To add insult to injury, they want to “bring in people who are distressed by the stridency too-often associated with the Party, and to others attracted by a thoughtful, centrist approach to Republican politics. The Partnership demonstrates inclusion, respect, reason and compassion”?

As opposed to those strident un-thoughtful non-inclusive, disrespectful, unreasoning and uncompassionate knuckle dragging Neanderthals who call themselves Conservatives?!

Who are these RINOS who have taken it upon themselves to stomp out the uneducated and ignorant cavemen on the right who would dare to win elections for the Republican Party?

Let’s begin with the most high profile and most recognized name among the many who have subverted our Party to their way of doing things.

Let me introduce to you all to, John Sydney McCain!

What’s that you ask? That foot soldier of the Reagan Revolution? Yup…That would be him…Foot soldier my ample rear end.. Our boy John happened to be around when Reagan swept us to victory the same way he was around when Newt Gingrich brought us to power…so that makes him a soldier in the Reagan Revolution?

Well, Imagine that! /sarc

I’ll add a list of the rest of these squishes from their web site after I’ve said the following:

Hey Main Street Project and the RINOS you represent!!!

This is our Party. WE’VE done the work to put this Party in the majority. In fact WE did something that hadn’t been done in 60 to 80 years and that was to return all three branches of this government to Republican Control…WE walked the streets. WE manned the phone banks. WE knocked on doors and passed out literature across this great country. WE gave our hard earned dollars to see you all in the majority!

The Republican Party is a big tent…but it is OUR tent! WE built it. You are welcome to come in, in fact WE invited you in and did all the things I mentioned and put you in office. But you have NO RIGHT to freeze out the very people who not only invited you in…but have given you a position of prominence for far too long! So how did you return our hospitality? I think 2006 and the crushing landslide facing us in 2008, (Prophetic aye?), speaks for its self!

Conservatives, Fredheads and SoCons need to sit up and take note. Copy this list of RINOS and post it where you will see it every day. Put it on your mirror where you will see it every morning. Post it in your office so you will see it all day long. Put it on your night stand and memorize the names of these treasonous pit vipers before you go to sleep and keep your powder dry. Whether McCain wins this election or not…one thing needs to be taken to heart by all of us…there are already RINO incumbents losing primary battles across this country in 2008 and many more lost in 2006 in primaries and the general election because Conservatives stayed home…We need to have challengers to each and every member of the “Main Street Project” and work our behinds off to send them to their K street Cronies and give the power we can provide them to someone more deserving!

The bloodletting has already begun. We’re counting on you to pick up your pitchforks and clubs and storm the RINO’s Ivory ramparts in the elections to come. Let your rage and indignation boil and let the blue blood flow across the Ivory Towers of our RINO masters and LET FREEDOM RING!!

Let this be a beginning…In the spirit of our maverick leader let us resolve here and now to join together and repay this treacherous organization and those it represents for it’s treachery and return; blow for blow, it’s strikes at the hearts Conservatives across this country !

Here’s the list of the more prominent members of this organization. The last time I ran this I had plenty of folks criticize the fact that some of the Congressmen and Senators have good numbers from CPAC. I’ve done additional work on that and have their scores…I’m currently working on pulling in their phone contacts so they can be called and asked why they would participate in such a group and I need to edit the list to reflect the changes after the 2008 elections…funny how so many of these guys keep losing ain’t it?. That will be part two of the series if there is one.
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U.S. Senate

Sen. Norm Coleman, Minnesota
Sen. Susan Collins, Maine
Sen. John McCain, Arizona
Sen. Gordon Smith, Oregon
Sen. Olympia Snowe, Maine
Sen. Arlen Specter, Pennsylvania

U.S. House

Rep. Judy Biggert, Illinois

Rep. Brian Bilbray, California

Rep. Mary Bono, California

Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, Florida

Rep. Ken Calvert, California

Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, West Virginia

Rep. Michael Castle, Delaware

Rep. Thomas Davis, III, Virginia

Rep. Charlie Dent, Pennsylvania

Rep. David Dreier, California

Rep. Vernon Ehlers, Michigan

Rep. Jo Ann Emerson, Missouri

Rep. Phil English, Pennsylvania

Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen, New Jersey

Rep. Jim Gerlach, Pennsylvania

Rep. Wayne Gilchrest, Maryland

Rep. David Hobson, Ohio

Rep. Timothy Johnson, Illinois

Rep. Mark Kirk, Illinois

Rep. John R. Kuhl, New York

Rep. Ray LaHood, Illinois

Rep. Steven LaTourette, Ohio

Rep. Jerry Lewis, California

Rep. Frank LoBiondo, New Jersey

Rep. Jim McCrery, Louisiana

Rep. Thomas Petri, Wisconsin

Rep. Todd Platts, Pennsylvania

Rep. Jon Porter, Nevada

Rep. Deborah Pryce, Ohio

Rep. Jim Ramstad, Minnesota

Rep. Ralph Regula, Ohio

Rep. Dave Reichert, Washington

Rep. Jim Saxton, New Jersey

Rep. Christopher Shays, Connecticut

Rep. Patrick Tiberi, Ohio

Rep. Michael Turner, Ohio

Rep. Fred Upton, Michigan

Rep. Greg Walden, Oregon

Rep. James Walsh, New York

Rep. Jerry Weller, Illinois

Rep. Heather Wilson, New Mexico

Governors

Gov. Linda Lingle, Hawaii

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, California


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Not to nitpick, but:

Canthros (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 12:51PM EDT (link)

You’ve got some borked formatting, there. You seem to have used PRE where you probably wanted blockquote.

And as long as I’m being a pedantic jerk, it’s “further ado”. (I looked it up, though: it’s lodged in my mind as “further adieu”, which is also incorrect in most applications.)

Out of curiosity, ‘originally posted’ where?

Thanks for the write-up, I will check it out once I’ve some time.

This too shall pass.

 

Not all of the grassroots

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 1:46PM EDT (link)

republicans are conservatives.

Edits made..thanks for the heads up

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 1:54PM EDT (link)

I originally posted it to Red State 2.0

MarkTwain 3

Most are...so your point would be?

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 1:58PM EDT (link)

I'm not sure that's true

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 2:08PM EDT (link)

Are there any numbers to back up your claim?

My point was your post argues from a position that the GOP is naturally and rightly conservative. That the RMSP are attacking the GOP by representing moderate views, and that the party essentially belongs to you (meaning the conservatives).

My point is there are plenty in the GOP who are not conservatives. Its their party too (unless you push them out of it).

They are a distinct minority yet the demand that we as conservative knuckle under to them

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 4:00PM EDT (link)

and when their way fails…just like the Democrats…they won’t be accountable and take credit for their failures…much like this election cycle where we had a moderate crammed down our throat, for 4 years we’ve had fiscal moderates spending like drunken sailors so we’ve had two election cycles in a row with record losses of Republican seats…and somehow in their little fantasy world…it’s all the conservatives fault because they refuse to cow tow to the Democrat light wing of the party…

squeal all you want but the Republican Party has been the Conservative party…when we have run as conservatives we win…when we run away from conservatism we lose…and I’ll tell you another thing…most conservatives are Republicans because the Republican Party is seen as the party of conservatives…when the Republican party stops being conservative…more and more conservatives will stop being Republicans!

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Quick question

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 4:25PM EDT (link)

How many winning republican presidents would you say have been conservative? Reagan’s about it in modern times, right?

SO then how can you say you win with conservatives when your successes have mostly been with squishes?

 
 
 
 
 
 

right on, Ace

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 4:51PM EDT (link)

you da man! This insidious, conniving surrender-monkey Dem-Lite™ bunch of crap-weasels have had their day.

Now it’s OUR day.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

Bush 1 ran as a conservative and a continuation of Reagan in 1988

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 5:07PM EDT (link)

Bush 2 ran as a Conservative though he’s governed as something else entirely…Republicans took control of Congress and held it for 10 years in 1994 by running as conservatives and decided to act like Democrats since 2004…guess what…it didn’t work and it’s time for a new direction!

Any more questions?

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I'm afraid they're still working their mischief though

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 5:17PM EDT (link)

Steele as RNC chairman gives me heartburn…and I don’t see enough change in the House and Senate.

If you understand how the primaries are set up the establishment killed a couple proposals in committee at the Convention this year that would deal with the disproportionate influence of Big Blue states early on, Open Primaries and the compressed schedule that gave is Johny Boy…so if Conservatives don’t rally around one candidate early and refuse to run away from him/her then I’m afraid we’re gonna repeat our folly in 2012.

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Glad to see you back on the case

Joe_Schmo (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 6:26PM EDT (link)

And, recommended of course.

I need more attention on this...I'm not willing to do a whole series on these guys and have my work disappear...

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 7:45PM EDT (link)

shameless self promotion…yes…I usually don’t like to do that but in this case it’s called for I think

pass the word

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Can we name our own cabals today?

SteveLA (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 7:47PM EDT (link)

Ace

In the spirit of tearing down Republicans that we disagree with, can I post a few social conservative groups here that I think are part of the problem with this party?

Somehow I think not.

Form the circular firing squad…ready Aim…

“The personal attacks against me during the primary finally became so heavy that the state Republican chairman, Gaylord Parkinson, postulated what he called the Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican. It’s a rule I followed during that campaign and have ever since.”

Never mind.

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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests

SteveLa....

Attack Mode (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 7:55PM EDT (link)

Write your own in depth diary as Ace has and I don’t think anyone would have a problem with it. I doubt you would get that many recommends or flattering comments from conservatives but if your ilk is truly the majority that shouldn’t matter now should it?

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

I think not

SteveLA (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 8:15PM EDT (link)

Edmund Burke said it best.

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”

While not claiming that your or your beliefs are evil, standing against those who at every turn trash moderation, and trash fellow Republicans in the name of some ideological purity is something I will continue to speak out against. Well until I go over some line that the moderators or the directors think is too far, then I’ll get my sorry a&*( blamed.

See even moderates will stand up for themselves!

Otherwise, you have a really wonderful day!

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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests

Hey Ace I see George Allen is considering running for Gov of VA....

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 8:38PM EDT (link)

He will have one of the most vocal and hardworking supporters if he makes that decision because he was one of the good guys.

Ideological purity is for public consumption...

rbdwiggins (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 8:46PM EDT (link)

practical application in governing and winning elections.

Intra-party policy disputes should be handled behind closed doors.

Although, Reagan routinely violated his yet to be established 11th Commandment…

Until he was victorious.

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

 
 
 
 
 

Here is what I am going to do tomorrow Ace...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 8:50PM EDT (link)

I have the number for gopac and I am going to call and ask to speak with someone in regards to your particular issue’s and ask for an honest answer to your questions. I will also call my VA Chairman and speak with constituent services and address it with them because I support Steele because he is saying all the things I say all the time and I will not be blown off. I will report back to you the exact answers that I recieve because my former congressman Davis was one of those in your group but now it is 10X worse with Connelly. I can be a great asset on the ground here in VA for Steele BUT I want the truth as well!

Let me count

SteveLA (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 8:57PM EDT (link)

rbdwiggins

I agree with you, but if you count the number of “Off with their heads”, “purge the party”, etc. etc. blogs that have a appeared on RS post election, it’s appalling.

What is also appalling is that if anyone attacked major social conservative groups the way this blog attacks RMSP, the author would be banned. I guess it’s OK to trash moderates, they are supposed to be like the proverbial 90 lb weakling and don’t fight back because they don’t really beleive in anything…bad assumption.

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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests

The problem with turning on the moderates

Spiral (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 9:49PM EDT (link)

The problem with turning on the moderates is that everyone gets to watch the intra-party food fight. The impression that people get is that they should not be part of the Republican party unless they subscribe to the entire agenda.

I’d be okay with it if this sort of thing could be handled with a bit more elegance.

For example. Joe Lieberman stuck with the Iraq war. Ned Lamont ran against him during the primaries and won.

But notice that this take down of a former VP candidate in 2000 didn’t result in a Republican pick up in the Senate. Instead, Lieberman won the Senate seat as an independent.

If would could have bloody primary battles and still win the general election, I’d be happy with that. More opportunities for people to air their views. I think the lack of GOP primaries leads to people like Ted Stevens and Arlen Specter.

But if the result is the Democrats winning all the time, it’s not a good trade.

 
 
 

Or perhaps a different paradigm to demystify

briefsynopsis (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 10:49PM EDT (link)

Maybe a linear scale displaying the traditional social classification scale is a false representation, utilized to impair the quest for rationality.
what if, instead of a linear scale, we were to picture a circular, clock type scale?
Picture the following:
1 to 2 o’clock GOP country club types
2 to 3 fundamentalist christian types
3 to 9 conservative
9 to 10 conservation types
10 to 11 socialists
11 to 12 lucky sperm clubbers and elitists

Note on this scale, anyone from 2 thru 10 could be labeled conservative to some extent.
More interesting, using this scale is that, the folks from 11 thru 2 could also be construed as more Purple! Think moderate intellectual repubs, and then think Kennedy type dems.

Your thoughts on this?

will write more on this soon at my site, Briefsynopsis.com launching 11/20

Have you Hugged a “Special Operations Warrior” today?

The problem with RMSP...

rbdwiggins (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 10:57PM EDT (link)

“Maine-Street” is almost unrecognizable in fly-over country.

The penchant toward political correctness and the apparent need to be liked by the opposition are self-made obstacles that preclude success, both electoral and legislative.

It boils down to: Principled Leadership vs. Nuance.

Which trait are you most likely to follow?

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

 
 

Where are you going to get to 51?

whatifidontwanna (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 11:07PM EDT (link)

Arkansas? California? Colorado? Delaware?
Hawaii? Illinois? Indiana? Maryland?
Nevada? New York? North Dakota? Oregon?
Vermont? Washington? Wisconsin?

Let’s get real here for a minute. The head of the RNC (whomever it will be) should be most interested in finding a Republican candidate in the states above who can win. You may only be interested in philosophical purity, but Ace, Barack Obama has a better chance of getting your vote in 2012 than you do in getting 50%+1 of the vote in most of those states, and add more to the list after the 2008 elections changed the shade of these states.

If Michael Steele gets it and can articulate that as a philosophy and political world view, Republicans are better, and we can get a FisCon Republican elected in Arkansas again, then great. If Fred Thompson can get a Federalist candidate elected in Oregon, than awesome.

I’m uninterested in remaining in the Minority to pass a litmus test. I understand that you have to actually govern before the results of that litmus test even matters.

Bush ran as a conservative?

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 11:12PM EDT (link)

Since when? He ran as a moderate. Remember the term “compassionate conservative”? He coined that term specifically to distinguish himself from conservatives.

I agree...I was looking forward to his running for Pres...

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 11:16PM EDT (link)

If he’d have just said sorry one time on the Macaca thing and left it at that instead of making the rounds apologizing over and over again I think he’d still be a Senator!

BTW

an he run again as Gov?…I thought he was term limited out?

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Yeah...he used the buzz word Compassionate Conservative...but he hardly ran as a moderate...

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 11:18PM EDT (link)

He damn sure didn’t tell us he was going to pass the biggest increase in entitlements since the Great Society…Had I seen that coming I might well have set 2000 out

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Hey Steve...Fire away...

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 11:23PM EDT (link)

The issue is…the groups you name will represent a majority of the party…

My issue with these guys is their statement that they came together after the sweeping victory after the 1994 elections to move us back from the issues that we won on…

My second issue isn’t that they or you are part of the party…I’ve even grown to enjoy our back and forth because I don’t think we’re that far apart once you get past your anti SoCon bent…My issue is that the Moderates and Liberals in this party act as a foil for the Conservative majority because they control the party apparatus!

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Really?

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 11:27PM EDT (link)

Bush criticized Clinton administration policies in Somalia, where 18 Americans died in 1993 trying to sort out warring factions, and in the Balkans, where United States peacekeeping troops perform a variety of functions. “I don’t think our troops ought to be used for what’s called nation-building,” Bush said in the second presidential debate.[29] Bush also pledged to bridge partisan gaps in the nation’s capital, claiming the atmosphere in Washington stood in the way of progress on necessary reforms.[30]

source

Bush’s campaign focused on “compassionate conservatism”, including a greater role for the federal government in funding education and large reductions in the income and capital gains tax rates.

sourcepresidentialprimaries,_2000)

I think you and I must have watched two very different campaigns if you thought Bush painted himeslf as a conservative.

Steve...Why wouldn't there be a backlash from conservatives after the last two elections?

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 11:36PM EDT (link)

We’ve done it the moderate way…McCain ran the most dismal and pathetic campaign for the Republican Party for the last 50 years…with the exception of Dole…His was the moderate way…say nothing to offend anyone, do nothing to stand for anything…and beg people to vote for you…

and let me say this…If you’ll note…I’m focusing my fire and my strongest vitriol for this specific group whose sole reason for existence is to undo the very policies and issues that won the Republican Party the majority in the House of Representatives for the first time in 40 years!

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Again Spiral...the issue is not...nor has it ever been that

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 11:44PM EDT (link)

there are moderates or liberals in the party….It’s the insistence that we all buckle to their will…

The formation of the RMSP was the opening volley of the subversive work by moderates to undo everything Reagan and Gingrich had accomplished…it culminated in 2006 and 2008…

Ohh…and I almost forgot…the 1994 victory also led to the Liberal/Moderate Cabal that controls this party nominating Bob Dole in 1996 and handed Bill Clinton a second term…

So…if you don’t like the facts as they are presented…I understand…but what I’ve laid out is only the beginning…Wait till I post their videos…and what they had to say about Conservatives after they lost the 2006 elections!

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Ineresting analogy...

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 11:49PM EDT (link)

The thing about this group is that it’s populated by THE Liberals in the Republican party…using your scale…they’d fall at 10 to 11…though I don’t understand why you put socialists on the other side of the scale from country clubbers because they are one and the same as far as I’m concerned

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OK...as I see it...and as I understand the data from this election...

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, November 17th at 11:58PM EDT (link)

Barack Obama has a better chance of getting your vote in 2012 than you do in getting 50%+1 of the vote in most of those states, and add more to the list after the 2008 elections changed the shade of these states.

McCain moderated…he ran the campaign you advocated and he pandered to attract moderates and indies…what was the result?

It’s your strategy…it was his strategy…what was the result…

Moderates and Indies went for Obama in droves…I believe this is because they didn’t believe the Republicans stood for anything and have proven it since 2004…

The other factor is that enough conservatives either stayed home over discontent with the candidate or were peeled off due to the hostility of people like those in the RMSP and went to the Democrats who were standing there with open arms thanks to Rahm Emanuel to through the election to Obama…

So…what makes you think ,ore of the same will win in 2010 or 2012?

One other thing…the reason I am going after the RMSP hammer and tong is because of they’re stated goal of subverting and sabotaging the 1994 revolution! They need to be exposed and I plan to do just that…

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First off I wouldn't call his critisism of Nation building a moderate positions...

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 12:06AM EDT (link)

and I don’t call what he did post 911 as strictly nation building…I would call it minimizing what he believed to be a threat…was nation building necessary after that…absolutely…the same as it was after WWII after we’d defeated and destroyed Germany and Japan…so what’s your point once again…

As to his Compassionate Conservatism comments…I said he uttered the words and I bristles every time I heard it…but it wasn’t the centerpiece of his campaign…he ran on tax cuts and rebuilding the military and he ran on replacing activist judges…all things I’ll not McCain avoided this election cycle.

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Great points ... but

Freedoms Truth (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 12:32AM EDT (link)

once you get back to 51 votes … what are yougoing to DO WITH IT?

You see, some of us think we blew it in 2006 because the GOP stayed and one reason they stayed home was the RINOs kneecapped making the tax cuts permanent, they did an endrun on judges that kept some good judicial law-n-order judges from getting on the bench, and they stopped us from being more fiscally responsible.

In short, they sullied the GOP brand by selling dishwater and calling it champagne.

We need an AGENDA of REAL POSITIVE REFORM … conservative reform I hope … or we will never have a reason to deserve 51.

I don't disagree with a thing you said here

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 2:00AM EDT (link)

I want to see a positive conservative agenda not only put forward…but implemented…the issue is that we’ll never see it with the RMSP types running the party or lurking in the shadows ready to yank the rug out from under us the first time we get traction

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To Kowalski

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:19PM EDT (link)

We need to put forth a consistent and common sense Conservative agenda and convince Moderates and Independents of the rightness of our cause…

The RMSP types and the McCain types have it backwards…They want to figure out what the Mods and Indies want and try to tack to what they want…

The financial collapse is a prime example of what’s wrong with that thinking…Obama looked more decisive and presidential because he had a core set of principles to fall back on as a default no matter how wrong they were while McCain flopped around like a fish out of water as he tried to figure out what to do and he had no compass to follow!

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I just recommended this because I would like to see more of it.

nogyro35 (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 1:24PM EDT (link)

Reading this diary, I was reminded of how pissed off I felt in the primaries and the general election.

First the “Fred Thompson was too lazy” comments coming from within the party.

Then the week following Palin’s selection, when the McCain campaign decided not to run on any of Palin’s social conservative strengths.

The only positive from all this is that I don’t have to support any RINO’s for a while at least.

It is not often that I like to reread long diaries, but I think I’ll save this one and reread it every time a RINO comes looking for my support and my vote.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

You run conservatives

TxCon (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 3:35PM EDT (link)

where conservatives can win. Because the fact of the matter is that conservatives cannot win in states like Maine, so we take Collins and Snowe for better or worse. Heather Wilson could have won NM, I think where Pearce got slaughtered. The Dems figured this out in the South in the 2006 House races. That is why they won. I’m sure the took no great joy in having to run conservatives, but that is the only way they could win those districts.

I don't disagree....to a point...

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 4:00PM EDT (link)

We need moderates…and yes the Dems recognized this and ran SoCons in the south to cut into our lead among that demographic…

Here’s the Rub however…They’ve been so successful drawing off SoCon votes because at the same time they are reaching out the SoCons, The Republican Party have been chasing them away and making SoCons feel unwelcome…That’s the first point…

The second point and most importantly is this…The Dems have brought in SoCons and more moderately left wing candidates and won with them…but Joe Lieberman shows one thing…If you’re in the Democrat Party and you stray from the Party line…at the very least you’ll never be in leadership in the Dem Party, You’ll never get the plum committee assignments…and as they showed today with Lieberman they’ll run you out of the party on a rail at the first opportunity when they no longer need you…As a result”’they have Party discipline and you see the Democrats voting in lock step and rarely do you see them fractured on votes.

The issue we have as a Party is that we have a slim Liberal minority in the party that runs things and does things that are directly against what a majority of the Party stands for…There is a radical Cabal of radical Moderates that not only advocate for their policy differences which I’m fine with…but they actively and maliciously work to undercut, and destroy any Conservative policy or politician that has any success electorally…

MarkTwain 3

 
 

Here's a little curiosity on the RMSP...They've sanitized their site...

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 8:27PM EDT (link)

To bad I copied everything off the old site including videos if I haven’t deleted them

MarkTwain 3

My Strategy?

whatifidontwanna (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 8:33PM EDT (link)

Hardly bud.

I think John McCain is a great man. Did I want him as our nominee? Nope. I’m a self-identified Fredhead.

But he was the last to survive the dustup for whatever the reason, so I supported him. And against Barack Obama, he was the (more) conservative choice.

Did he make a lot of missteps that I think cost him Republican votes but wouldn’t have cost him moderate votes, absolutely… let’s see, the bailout and the mortgage plan are but two examples.

My whole point is that if you’re going to sell the Republican brand to the states up in 2010, you may have to tone down the social issues and bring up the other two areas of concern.

And to be clear, I don’t think there is a current Republican in Washington that you haven’t called a RINO. Here’s the hint, there are good and decent people who represent the Republican Party who differ on things. They have every right to lead this Party if they can convince the plurality of the Party to pick them. It’s up to them to then govern as the majority of the Party wants (and possibly needs).

I just like how, without ANY evidence to the Contrary, I’m a moderate because I bring up political reality. And here it is Ace, as someone who grew up on the West Coast (Oregon and Washington), you have ZERO chance of getting anyone who you agree with 100% elected.

And I’ll also be honest, I count Mark Hatfield as a great American and a pretty darn good Republican. And he was one of the reasons we DON’T have a balanced budget amendment.

 
 

Coleman must defeat Franken - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, November 18th at 10:58PM EDT (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com and Charlotte Observer columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 

Depends on what you would rather have...

LonghairedConservative Tuesday, November 18th at 11:03PM EDT (link)

I don’t give a damn about the marriage issue. I say get government out of the entire social sphere altogether. Out with it. Get it back to what Madison et al intended, limited government and ultimate individual liberty.

On the issue of gay marriage, abortion et al. Lets go for constitutional amendment closure…

 

Here we go again...

Shawn Gillogly (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 3:21AM EDT (link)

The moderates argue that the issue is not…”cannot” be that their positions are wrong. After all, they’ve “moderated” conservative values in the attempt to make them palatable to the American people.

Of course, the issue is, the Main Street fiasco is driven by people with their heads so far inside the beltway they haven’t wouldn’t know the typical American if you had one beat the Main Streeter on the head with a 2×4.

Do I have any problem with accomodating Blue State Republicans? No. Of course not. But I do have a problem with Blue State Republicans and Beltway weasels driving the party’s agenda when they lose…time after time after time.

“Liberals are always talking about pluralism, but that is not what they mean. In public school, Jews don’t meet Christians. Christians don’t meet Hindus. Everybody meets nothing.”- Dennis Prager

As someone who leans libertarian...and a three legged Conservative

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 8:45AM EDT (link)

I’d agree with you…but from my perspective government is asserting itself into Social issues already…we’re just pushing back against the incursion.

MarkTwain 3

That's exactly the point...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 8:47AM EDT (link)

Some of what you say is true and makes good sense...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:21AM EDT (link)

You’re wrong here however…

And to be clear, I don’t think there is a current Republican in Washington that you haven’t called a RINO.

I’ve said over and over again that I reserve the term RINO for those radical moderates, (Liberal Republicans) who actively plot, scheme and work to undermine the majority of the Party and demand that we all sit at the back of the bus while they drive us off a cliff.

The RMSP is the tip of the Liberal Republican Spear that does just that…their stated reason for existence is to be a spoiler for Conservative governance…and they’re not just liberal on social issues as I will prove in subsequent installments.

An I agree we should run blue Republicans in blue states…but I don’t agree that they should be allowed to run the party and hand the Democrats everything they want on every issue when it comes down to a battle.

MarkTwain 3

agreed...looks like they'll steel it though...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:24AM EDT (link)

The Moderate’s wunderkind Pawlenty was on Fox the other day declaring that there was no evidence of voter fraud in the recount…

MarkTwain 3

exactly, thank you

ladyofcarlisle Wednesday, November 19th at 10:05AM EDT (link)

If the GOP begins insisting on ideological purity (based on what?), we will be in the permanent minority. Reagan was a realist, a coalition builder. Btw, the DNC seem fine with their big tent and they are presently kicking out asses. So sorry folks, we need the RINOS as well, if you want to have people like Mike Pence, Eric Cantor, John Shadegg, Marsha Blackburn, Jim DeMint, Jon Kyle, etc. chairing committees again that is. Mercy!

Carrie

Your argument defeats itself

The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 1:33PM EDT (link)

if he had run as a moderate, he would have run as a “compassionate moderate” not a “compassionate conservative.” He ran as a “compassionate conservative” because the ‘conservative’ part was the key to his victory, but he though conservative had unfairly been tagged as knuckle draggers who didn’t give a * about anybody but themselves.

  • = fill in your preferred expletive.

Name me a conservative candidate who lost to a squish that didn't support the winner.

The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 1:39PM EDT (link)

When a squish looses, there’s a 50-50 chance he’ll endorse the democrat and whine to the party about how “narrow” the party is becoming. Chichester did it to Ollie North in Virginia and we see how well that’s worked out don’t we.

Wel about that...

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 1:50PM EDT (link)

look at this diary. It is explicitly attacking the RMSP and saying they should be driven from the party.

So maybe some of those whines about narrowness have grain of truth to them?

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I like the way you put it, and highly recommend

1SGinTN (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 2:15PM EDT (link)

I’m ashamed that I missed this debate for so long, since this issue is a big concern of mine. I’m not going to add much to this at this point, since you all have covered it better than I could. I’ll just leave you with this little analogy.

I don’t mind the RHINOs riding on the bus, but they can’t drive or shift the gears. Stay behind the white line and stay seated. They can’t stick their heads out the windows and cause a scene. And they definitely have to keep their hands off the presets on the radio controls.

Tu Ne Cede Malis
-Virgil

I guess you haven't read anything I and others have written here so I'll try again to get through to you

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 3:01PM EDT (link)

My issue isn’t with a big tent…I welcome moderate and even Liberal Republicans…we can’t win without them…my problem once again is that they insist on dictating to the rest of us and working to subjugate and sabotage us at every turn…My next installment will lay out the founders and board members of the RMSP and lay out the ideology of each.

Their board of directors have members that are liberal on one leg of the stool or the other but when you put them together the board of the RMSP have a liberal bent on especially Social issues…all the directors are venomous where SoCons are concerned…but in addition, every aspect of the Conservative agenda from fiscal issues, social issues, defense issues, and environmental issues.

Again their stated goal is to reverse the gains made in the 1994 elections and after the 2004 elections. My mission is to expose these people for what they are which is not friends of the Conservative members of this party at all!

MarkTwain 3

No Tamblin...the whines are falling on deaf ears for a change...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 3:12PM EDT (link)

and yes…the RMSP should be abolished from the coalition or at the very least they should be a part of Erick’s leper list…

once again…if you would try to let this sink into your thick skull, the RMSP long ago declared Conservatives the enemy…they have to date been allowed to skulk and lurk in the shadows as they’ve worked behind the scenes to cut the Republican cause of limited government, life, liberty, justice and a strong national defense off at the knees and I’m making it my mission to shine the disinfecting light on them so at least when we get bayoneted in the back again we will know who did it!

Oh…for a preview I’ll also be exposing at some point the RLC, Whitman’s “It’s my Party Too”, and other subversive liberal organizations from the Liberal Republican camp.

MarkTwain 3

Well put

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 3:16PM EDT (link)

Again

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 3:20PM EDT (link)

you are conflating “conservative” and “republican”. Yes, the RMSP opposes conservatives. And conservatives oppose them in return. So what? Neither conservatives nor moderates own the GOP. They work together or they fail because neither by themselves is close to a majority.

The netroots and the DLC oppose each other policy wise too. That’s the way it goes. Any national party with a chance is going to have to extend from their particular fringe into the center.

The Nutroots told the DLC to sit down and shut up and the Dem's moved left...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 3:43PM EDT (link)

Neither conservatives nor moderates own the GOP.

Once again, my problem is that the Moderates, (Liberal Republicans) run this party as if they own it. We’re supposed to be a democratic organization but we’re saddled with a top down leadership that holds the majority of this Party in complete and utter contempt…all one needs do is look at the treatment of Palin for example.

They work together or they fail because neither by themselves is close to a majority.

Your right…it takes a team working together to win…the problem is…the RMSP’s stated mission is to undermine the friggin team…yet Conservatives are criticized for not being team players when the react to the treachery!

The netroots and the DLC oppose each other policy wise too. That’s the way it goes. Any national party with a chance is going to have to extend from their particular fringe into the center.

That’s a quaint notion but it has no basis in fact for the Dems…They’ve shunned the DLC and moved completely to the left. And once again…I know I sound like a broken record…but the Democrats don’t tolerate dissension in their ranks…they’re always pushing us and always advancing the ball against us because they destroy those who betray their party…

Republicans don’t do that…up till now we’ve tolerated groups like the RMSP as they’ve undercut our team and collude with the other team to move the ball inm their direction and in some cases turning the ball over to them on purpose.

So…why the calls of tolerance from us? Why this appeal to be team players from us when the Moderates and Liberals in the Republican Party are not held to the same standard!

MarkTwain 3

Case in point

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 3:59PM EDT (link)

you say:
“Your right…it takes a team working together to win…the problem is…the RMSP’s stated mission is to undermine the friggin team.”

That’s false. What they do is fight for what they think is right. That happens to run afoul of what you think is right, but they do it because it is what they think is best for the team. Welcome to the big tent! They do not undermine the team by staying true to their principles.

Again...that's a quaint idea

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 4:23PM EDT (link)

“The November 1994 mid-term elections were commonly referred to as the “Republican Revolution.” Given the great gains made by Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate, a group of moderate House Republicans began informal meetings to discuss ways to further a centrist, pragmatic Republican agenda — one that could accommodate bipartisan legislative results. At that time, there was great concern that a dramatic shift to the right was quickly approaching, given the new congressional leadership. The discussion group began to craft a moderate Republican agenda with a fiscally conservative background.

Addressing a broad spectrum of issues, the Partnership reaches out to disenfranchised Republicans– people who are distressed by the stridency too-often associated with the Party, and to others attracted by a thoughtful, centrist approach to Republican politics. The Partnership demonstrates inclusion, respect, reason and compassion.

I can’t believe you can see what’s wrong with the above…They saw the sweeping election success of the 1994 elections and decided it was a threat…so they immediately set about thwarting not only the majority of the Republican Party but the majority of the voter who elected them!

I don’t really care if they think they’re doing the right thing advancing the Democrat Agenda. If they want to see a socialist agenda enacted in this country let them advocate for it in the party of socialism…leave us to fight the good fight against the Frenchification of America!

As it is I don’t know why I’m even worried about this beyond the outrage because as these people continue to run as Democrat lite they keep losing election so in another couple of elections there won’t be enough left to worry about!

MarkTwain 3

As I said

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 4:54PM EDT (link)

Case. In. Point.

Hinz Rule

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 5:58PM EDT (link)

I'm surprised this didn't happen long ago.

Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 6:03PM EDT (link)

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

I like to try reasoning for a while before giving up on them bs...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 6:27PM EDT (link)

you never know…maybe they’ll have a catharsis

:>)

MarkTwain 3

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Be very careful

Erasmus_Wembley Wednesday, November 19th at 8:25PM EDT (link)

One of the RINOs members listed is Wayne Gilchrest (MD-01). He was defeated in the primary by conservative Andy Harris, who was backed by the Club for Growth. Harris subsequently lost the general election to Democrat Frank Kratovil. This in a district in which Gilchrest won with 65 – 70% of the vote the last few times out and which is a R+10 district. It looked like a safe Republican district, so the result of the primary looked like it would shift the district from a moderate to a conservative. Instead , the seat was lost. Again, I think you have to be very careful about primarying (sp?) moderates such as Specter, etc., for fear of losing their seats.

But really, SteveLA, what do "moderate" Republicans believe in?

Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:00PM EDT (link)

They’re no better and often, worse, on the fiscal/economic front than the average run-of-the-mill SoCon Republican. On the judicial front, they seem to favor muddlers like O’Connor and Anthony Kennedy, and on foreign policy and national security, they tend to go with the flow of Beltway opinion.

So apart from a relentless quasi-religious devotion to “Bipartisanship”, I ask, what new idea, policy or addition to the national conversation have “moderates” made in the past twenty years? McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Leiberman, the Gang of 14, etc. are not exactly awe inspiring.

The only “moderate” who has had any sort of impact at all is Rudy Giuliani, and, if I recall correctly, he was the cause of much heartache within moderate Republican ranks because he was not very “Bipartisan” – though I suspect there were happy smiles on RMSP faces when he endorsed Mario Cuomo – that was some heavy duty “Bipartisanship” right there.

If anything, the only thing I can pinpoint that so-called “moderate” Republicans seem to be passionate about is launching missiles at SoCons in much the same language you’d find on DailyKos.

Agreed

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:02PM EDT (link)

Primarying folks in blue states should be limited to the Lincoln Chafee’s of the world.

Now, in terms of red states, people like Hagel, Graham, and McCain are different.

I supported Chris Shays re-election efforts.

I wanted Hagel primaried out.

Agree that politics is dynamic.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

Exactly. What have the moderates done?

Spiral (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:18PM EDT (link)

The moderate Gang of 14 simply left a whole bunch of judgeships on the federal circuit court of appeals vacant so that Obama could fill them with Leftish judges instead of conservatives.

I know that McCain explained his Gang of 14 idea this way: “There might be liberal nominees I would want to filibuster.”

But because “bi-partisanship” is the one thing moderate Republicans really care about (the direction of the federal courts don’t matter to them very much), they will not filibuster a Democrat President’s judicial nominee.

The moderates give us a “heads liberals win; tails conservatives lose” situation.

You might consider

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:25PM EDT (link)

that to moderate republicans the contributions you scoff at they are legitimately proud of, while the acts of conservatives you like they view with disdain.

Excellent point.

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:29PM EDT (link)

And the precise reason why moderates should never have a say in the direction, the platform or the priorities of the party.

Change

Two justices of the Supreme Court

SteveLA (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:31PM EDT (link)

Chief Justice Roberts and Associative Justice Alito.

Products of the Gang of 14 and reputation of ether Ultra Liberal or Ultra Conservative judges. Judges that as Chief Justice Roberts put it “umpire the game”, but don’t play in the game.

That’s one good thing that moderates and the gang of 14 did for this country.

______________________________________

Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests

Re: Two justices of the Supreme Court

Spiral (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:35PM EDT (link)

Sounds great. But when you have 55 US Senators and your opposition has 45 US Senators, getting your Supreme Court nominees approved isn’t much of an accomplishment, especially when you have to throw appeals court nominees overboard due to “moderate” sensibilities.

Hogwash.

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:41PM EDT (link)

There is no way in hell the Dems could have successfully blocked R&A. That’s a pipe dream.

Change

McCain moderated?

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:44PM EDT (link)

McCain started as a moderate but he spent the vast majority of the election moving to the right, not the middle, in order to shore up the “base”.

He embraced Falwell. He moved to the right on oil drilling. He moved to the right as far as the press, forsaking a traditionally close relationship in order to take a more adversarial approach. He moved to the right on the Bush tax cuts. He moved to the right on immigration, from “CIR” to enforcement first. And of course he chose a darling of the conservatives as his running mate.

SO it seems a tad ridiculous to look at that and say he ran a moderate campaign. What he ran was a “moderate trying to be conservative” campaign. And he lost substantially, but that really doesn’t tell you anything about either philosophy because it was a bad year in general for the GOP.

Do you enjoy being in the minority?

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:46PM EDT (link)

Everyone has to ask themselves the question regarding purity versus efficacy. If you want to go all in on the purity side by all mean do so, but as I see it you lose any right to complain that your pure vision never sees light of day.

To put it another way, you know what they call ideologically pure parties? Third parties.

McCain has always been a moderate.

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:48PM EDT (link)

His “foot soldier of the Reagan Revolution…” BS aside, he’s never, ever been a conservative. At the end of the day John McCain can’t be counted on on just about any issue.

He didn’t run a “moderate campaign”. He ran a “stupid campaign”.

Change

Wanna stay in the minority?

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:52PM EDT (link)

You just stay aligned with the moderates. They kept us in the minority for 40 years, happy for their miserable jobs and the scraps that the Dem permanent majority gave them.

Please note that Republicans have done well when we are led by conservatives who have a vision for limited government and can communicate with the people. Think Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich.

Moderates will keep us where we are for the next 40 years and be very proud about their bipartisanship and the wonderful expansions of government that they’ve helped to engineer for the Democrats.

I can’t believe people that spout the “moderate” line can figure out how to feed themselves. Oh yeah, you don’t have to, the Dems will take care of it for you.

Change

In other words, the only thing "moderates" stand for *is* actually "Bipartisanship"

Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 10:04PM EDT (link)

Because none of those so-called “achievements” actually have anything going for them other than the fact that pundits called them “Bipartisan” on TV.

PS: Why don’t you take a stab at it? Don’t dance around it. What, in your opinion, do Republican “moderates” believe in?

And getting re-elected. n/t

stang (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 10:17PM EDT (link)

.

“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.”

John Locke

Considering their recent record, not anymore.

Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 10:18PM EDT (link)

Though to be honest, all sides took a hit.

You hit on it.

larueladue (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 10:21PM EDT (link)

Republicans need to be seen as standing for a definite set of well-defined, well communicated principles; and applying these principles and beliefs to all situations, while maintaining a coherent, commonsense worldview. And these principles need to be supported by across the entire spectrum of the party.

Governing by:

  1. testing the “public opinion waters” by polls;
  2. guessing how the media will respond to situations; and then
  3. tailoring our governing to cater to the perceived reactions of items 1 and 2 (attempting to curry their favor)

is a losing proposition, as has been repeatedly demonstrated in the last 2-3 election cycles.

Something really needs to be done to convert/purge the left-leaning (dare I say RINO) members of the Republican party. Self-inflicted mayhem and suicide can only tolerated in cartoons and your enemies.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

About Dave Reichert

itsonlywords (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 11:07PM EDT (link)

See my diary entry…Dave’s not a bad guy, and probably the best we can expect.

Tu ne cede malis sed contra audientor ito. ~Virgil
Do not give in to evil, but proceed evermore boldly against it.

I got your answer MAK what the RMSP believes in.

pilgrim (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 11:17PM EDT (link)

From visiting their website and reading what President & CEO of RMSP had to say I got the following:

Pro-alternative energy
We must reduce the environmental impact of traditional sources of energy.

Pro-environment
We must account for, and address the reasons for global climate change through the development of practical climate solutions that demonstrate economic opportunities and are aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

Charlie Bass, President and Chief Executive Officer
Because of his position in the Republican Main Street Partnership, Bass has not personally endorsed a Republican presidential candidate. However, Bass said that he is pro-choice and believes that the social questions, such as gay marriage and abortion, should not be left up to the federal government.
“The only candidate anywhere near these positions is Rudy Guiliani,” Bass said, “So you can draw your own conclusions.”

So, they want 3 things that Obama campaigned on –
1. they want US to reduce use of oil.
2. they want to reduce CO2 emissions to account for and address man-made global warming.
3. they want a pro-choice freedom of choice act.


Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

I think it depends on the moderate.

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 11:20PM EDT (link)

Some of them are moderates because they believe in part of what you do, for example they may want limited govenment just not as limited as the conservatives verging on libertarianism. The RMSP is along those lines.

Others are fairly conservative in one respect of the “three legged stool” but considered moderates because they don’t agree with the conservative elements of the other two (examples: Giuliani and McCain who can both be considered DefCons but aren’t socially or fiscally conservative and thus are “moderates”).

And there are probably plenty of other more rare breeds with their own peculiar views.

How do you read that as

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 11:26PM EDT (link)

being pro-FOCA? What he says sounds like he wants Roe repealed and the issue returned to the states.

How do you read that he says I am pro-choice so I want Roe appealed?

pilgrim (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 11:47PM EDT (link)

That is idiotic. If you are pro-choice, and the Supremes have made choice the law of the land, then why on earth would you want the law repealed?

It is the Right To Life folks who want Roe repealed, and even then they know the more liberal states will legalize abortion. They know that the best they can hope for is making abortion illegal where they live and not illegal everywhere.


Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

Well, because he goes on to say

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 12:45AM EDT (link)

that the federal government shouldn’t be in the issue at all. It is very possible to be pro-choice and still think Roe is a bad decision.

So it appears the answer still boils down to "nothing."

Martin Knight (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 6:43AM EDT (link)

I guess you see

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 12:31PM EDT (link)

what you want to see, Martin.

Yes

DL80 Thursday, November 20th at 1:55PM EDT (link)

The Republicans need to be different enough from Democrats (and in this case, that means conservative in some form) that when Democrats overreach or make mistakes, the Republicans look like a viable change. Change does not just go one way. Reagan defeated Carter because a) people desperately wanted change and b) Reagan looked like change.

Republicans can not try to look like Democrats or moderates and hope to also look different enough to be there when the electorate swings back. I’m a Democrat and even I am not dumb enough to think that 2008 is the start of some kind of permanent Democratic majority. When it swings back, Republicans need to look different enough to be a viable alternative. I think this swinging back and forth is actually good for our country. I don’t want Democrats in charge forever (or Republican for that matter).

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Conservative == Social Conservative?

DonPMitchell (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 2:20PM EDT (link)

What exactly are the issues you are upset about here? What makes a “republican” be “not a conservative”? Do you mean they are not an evangelical christian social conservative?

Goldwater: In your heart, you know he’s right

Roberts and Alito weren't a product of the Gang of 14...

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 4:56PM EDT (link)

The gang of 14 was a deal to get some of Bush’s appointees to the circuit courts of appeal confirmed while throwing several others under the bus…and what’s happened since the gang of 14 and all the BS about “Bipartisanship”?

The Democrats have locked up the Nominating process and there are huge vacancies to be filled by Barry at the circuit and appeals court levels…and guess what we’re going to hear from our esteemed leader and nominee for Potus of the US and his lackeys in the Senate and the gang of 14?

“The American People are tired of all the partisanship and bickering.They want bipartisanship and Republicans to work with Democrats to get something done.”

So…after two to three years of Democrat stonewalling on Republican Judicial Nominees we’ll be treated to a whole new generation of Souters, Ginsburgs and Breyers flooding into our courts and it will take us another 20 years to get back to where we are now!

Moderates are as predictable as the sun coming up in the morning and they always set us back when Democrats are in power…When Democrats aren’t in power they minimize what Republicans can accomplish with the power we’ve acquired…it’s time for that to end!

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Amen

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 4:59PM EDT (link)

{/Hinzrule}Tamblin...are you dense...deaf...or to bull headed to listen

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 5:17PM EDT (link)

We’ve always welcomed moderates to the Party…They run the friggin party…I’ve said this over and over again nobody is asking for ideological purity…I’m off the reservation with the Party when it comes to free trade because I’m not a purist on it but I know I’m in the minority on that issue and I don’t seek to impose my position on the majority of the party!

Again…this isn’t about forcing anyone out of the Party it’s about whether we are going to stand for what we say we believe in or not…or try to enact what we’ve promised the electorate we are going to do…or are we going to let a bunch of Harvard and Yale elitists continue to thwart the will of the majority of this Party and the majority of the people who elected us and kept us in power from 1994 through 2006?

I’m sick of seeing the reaction from these clowns that we saw in 1980, 1994 and 2004 after we swept to victory by articulating an across the board Conservative agenda…INstead of seeing a reason to celebrate our victory…these idiots showed a palpable panic and immediately set about planning how they were going to stand in the way and thwart the whole agenda…

It’s time to show these losers that we’re not going to allow them to continue undercutting and betraying us at every turn…or show them the door

re-invoke {HinzRule! on}

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5*5*5*5*5*5*5*5

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 5:19PM EDT (link)

Tamblin...You are woefully ignorant about what the RMSP stands for

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 5:31PM EDT (link)

Their board of directors have representatives each representing the liberal positions of every leg of the stool…I’ll be doing a story about that in installment three of my series…some are Fiscally Conservative but liberals on foreign policy, some are conservative on foreign policy and and fiscally liberal…the one thing that unites them is their vitriolic hatred of SoCons.

What ends up happening however is because there are representatives in the RMSP that are liberal on one leg of the stool or the other…the organization and their actions in the Republican Caucus ands up betraying every leg of the stool because they all band together and work overtime to undercut and betray the party as a whole!

What really pisses me off about them is that they think they can win by pushing the SoCons out of the Party when there are probably three times more SoCons in this party than there are of them!

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life, marriage and freedom

Freedoms Truth (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 5:31PM EDT (link)

Get it back to what Madison et al intended, limited government and ultimate individual liberty.

I am sure that to Madison and any of the founders, redefining marriage was an impossibility/absurdity.

As for the life issue, this is really about the civil rights or basic right-to-life of unborn human beings. Abortion kills a preborn human being with a heartbeat and brain function. Any libertarian or limited govt type KNOWS that the ONE FIRST TRUE purpose of Government is to PROTECT OUR RIGHTS, and amoung those rights is LIFE.

Now, that doesnt require you to agree with the right-to-life position to the point of outlawing abortion, but it should make clear that such laws are fully consistent with libertarian world view.

Ron Paul and Tom Coburn are both doctors who have delivered babies. They are both excellent on limited Govt and are right-to-life.

Life, marriage and freedom are related. There is not a coincidence that the defenders of right-to-life and marriage are good defenders of freedom, and the socialists trying to destroy our freedom also like abortion (taxpayer funded even!) and re-defining marriage. Socialist engineering vs freedom and traditional values.

My issue isn't with Moderates in Moderate states

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 5:43PM EDT (link)

I’ve repeated this over and over…my issue is with the Liberal Republicans controlling the reigns of power in this party and dictating a moderate to liberal agenda on the Conservative majority of the Party!

You name that example and I could return point to 3 others of Liberal Republicans that ran moderate campaigns in blue states and lost since 2006…I’m not interested in anecdotal examples…What I care about is the state of this Party and who’s gotten us here!

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Nobodies said that...

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 5:46PM EDT (link)

and I don’t deal in straw man arguments…go to the site and read what each of these ninnies believe in…if you can honestly say you can agree with every one of their board members…then maybe you’d be happier as a Democrat

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Your Tax Dollars at work in ILLINOIS's 13th Congressional District

DavidS1787 (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 6:34PM EDT (link)

Obama, Biden’s Son Linked by Earmarks

This is another Reason for Judy Biggert to Go! She says she is for getting spending in controll but she is part of the problem! in the Article above that was just pure pork!

You have to see all of her big backers at the FEC Site. She took the Seat back in 1998 and is a pro-choice Republican.

My vision is fine, Tamblin, thank you.

Martin Knight (Diary) Friday, November 21st at 7:54AM EDT (link)

What I’m seeing is a bunch of careerists always seeking the path of least resistance with no coherent solid foundation of beliefs on any branch (social, economic, judicial, national security, etc.) of public policy that make sense.

Which is why “moderates” are so woeful as ideas men. They’re simply incapable of bold thought and action so they just wait for someone of conviction to suggest something so they can latch on to it and then try to “moderate” it.

It’s always – “I’m for this, only not so much as X, and I’m against that, only not so much as Y … because I’m a moderate and I agree with both sides!”

Which is why Giuliani is different. While he was definitely not a SoCon, but he was/is a strong FisCon and DefCon. On law and order issues he was/is as strong a conservative as you’d find anywhere. He had that strong foundation that allowed him to be effective because he had conviction and once you have that, being liked comes a distant second on your list of priorities.

Contrast this with John McCain.