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Removing The Plank From Our Own Eye

So, I’m reading Limbaugh & Movement Conservatives: Successfully Distracted by Democrats by Darvin_Dowdy this evening and if you read his post you can likely guess my initial reaction to it… basically that it was a load of Bull…But then I started chewing on it a little…I’ve been thinking for a while that all the writing here about Obama and the Democrats and how they are singlehandedly ruining this country rings a little hollow and I’ve found myself lately having trouble listening to Rush, Laura, Sean, and the rest of the Conservative Commentariati and being unable to get comfortable listening to them or blogging or even, (GASP) reading Read State or TMR. I think it’s partly because every comment about how bad the Democrats are brings in an involuntary thought of, “The Republicans are just as bad!”

This simple minded attitude has always driven me crazy when people have said it to me because I’ve always believed conservatives had all the right ideas and that the Republican Party which is supposed to represent those ideas is far and away better than the Democrats…well…That little fairy tale has been finally and perhaps irrevocably smashed for me by the very Party I had placed so much faith and hope in.

In issue after issue, from No Child Left Behind, The Prescription Drug Benefit, Steel Tariffs, The Harriet Miers Fiasco, Amnesty, Campaign Finance Reform, the Farm Bill, TARP, inaction on the KELO decision, inaction in the face of judicial overreaching and inaction after congressional victories by our left wing enemy .

I’ve seen everything I as a conservative believe in mocked, ridiculed, trampled upon, spat upon and betrayed not because of any gain in power by my political enemies but at the hands of the very party and the very people I have worked so tirelessly to put in power…what stings all the more is that the betrayals came not as we were building up to and gaining Republican majorities in the House and Senate….it came when we finally…for the first time in nearly 100 years had gained governing majorities in the House and Senate with a Republican President in the White House…

So…after chewing on this bitter pill for a while…I came to the conclusion that yeah…Darvin definitely has a point…I’m not sure what I’m about to outline here is what Darvin had in mind…but it’s what his piece has elicited from me…so here goes:

Starting with the good book:

Mat 7:4 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye?
Mat 7:5 Hypocrite!….

Everyone always stops there and says this proves you shouldn’t criticize anyone ever…but Jesus didn’t stop there…He continued to say:

Mat 7:5… First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Please note that he didn’t say never try to remove the speck from your brother’s eye…he said remove the plank from your eye so you can better see to remove the speck from your brother’s.

My reading of this passage comes down to this;…basically we need to tend the home fire before we try to tend the Democrat’s fire…We need to remove the plank from our own eye.

The plank? The RINOs that perplex and plague us?….sure Rush and the others are talking about them but we need them to take us a level deeper…identify the support apparatus that keep the RINOs that plague us in positions where they CAN plague us. Who are the money guys? Who are the campaign managers and tacticians that pull their strings? Yet even that isn’t deep enough…We need Rush and the gang to shine a light on the party machinery and expose how 1/3 of the party is able to maintain control over 2/3s of the party who vote, contribute and do the work of the party. Who are the guys at the RNC, the NRSC, the NRCC, etc. who are the 168 party persons who make up the voting block of the RNC…not just who are they…but what are they about? What do they believe? What do they advocate and what is their political philosophy? Who makes the decisions about candidate recruitment and what candidates to back during primaries? We need our commentators to educate the grass roots about how to get involved in local politics, how to fund raise and so on…

But most importantly, we need them to put the spotlight on Republican Congressional leadership and refuse to allow them to continue to betray the conservative movement in obscurity…we need them to drive the cockroaches that infest the movement out of the woodwork and help us to cast off the agents of mediocrity that do things like helping the Dummycrats pass trillion dollar TARP and “Stimulus” packages.

Only after we’ve dug these planks out of our own eye will we be able to rebuild our credibility with the public and pick the speck out of the Democrats eyes by attacking the problem from a position of clarity, strength and credibility!

That last word is the source of all our ills now…CREDIBILITY. This is the issue that plagues us…I’ve ranted and raved about RINOS since I’ve been on Red State and TMR…but is it just RINOs that are the problem? They’re a large part of the problem and arguably the main part of the problem…because they caused the lack of credibility. But are they the sole problem? I would say no…The main problem we had up till now is complacency. We were complacent in not watching who was minding the store over the last eight years. It was a complacency born of believing we had one of our own in the White House and we had a Congress and Senate made up of our own…We ignored all the issues I mentioned above because they were all signed by a Republican President and worse…most were passed through Republican Congresses with the largest majorities we had in the last 70 years…

None of the problems we are currently experiencing can or will be fixed until we can regain our credibility. Until we can do that…every post on Red State, every radio show from Hannity, in Ingraham, to Limbaugh will fall on deaf ears because right now…even the most ardent true believer doesn’t believe what they are saying because they can’t believe their leadership will carry through on any item on our agenda without packing it in and throwing it to the Democrats at the first sign of difficulty.

So, let’s remove the plank of complacency from our own eye. Let’s hold our leadership from the precinct chair to the state chair to the Senate leadership to the Congressional leadership accountable…Let us further remove the plank of “no Credibility” from our eye. Let’s encourage Rush and the rest to spend a little time each day educating us who is pulling the strings in the party…Let’s stop being so consumed by what the Democrats are doing and wasting our breath telling people what is wrong with them because nobody believes us any more! Let’s spend a little time binding our own wounds and stop the bleeding so we can move against the enemy at the right time…when we are stronger; from a position of credibility.

Maybe then we can remove the speck from our brother’s eye that we can not now see because of the plank in our own!

COMMENTS

  • scarlos

    When do we start?

    • scarlos

      How do we start? Rush can only do so much after all.

      • AceInTX

        We need to learn this lesson and spread the word so maybe Rush and the gang can act on it!

        • scarlos

          And i figure that’s someplace to start. If we can get enough people to send this around, the odds it gets noticed will dramatically increase.

          http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/private.guest.html?ck=1234586000973

  • manifestdestiny

    I applaud you AcelnTX. The conservative comentari say that liberals are to blame for all the ills. The Liberal comentari say that the conservatives are to blame for all the world’s ills. Maybe if average conservatives could talk with average liberals they might find out who really is to blame for the mess that we’re in. The conservative message is the problem is big governement against small business. The liberal message is that the struggle is between big business and working people. Did it ever occur to anyone that big government (democrats and republicans) are in bed with big business (both “conservative” oil companies and “liberal” media companies alike)? Go ahead conservatives, liberals have at each other. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

    • AceInTX

      that I am advocating cooperating with Democrats….that’s not the issue to me as a movement conservative. I believe the issue is the Democrats against the people and liberty as a whole…the whole “Dems represent the ‘common man’” mem is nothing more than a way to enslave people to their goosies and perpetuate their power.

      My issue is our current inability to defeat the Democrats because os a few self described mavericks, moderates and independents who refuse to stand for anything, submit themselves to any over arching and common sense philosophy and finally with our lack of credibility with the public in arguing against the Democrats because our past actions as a party speak far more loudly than anything Rush, Hannity, Ingraham or any of our spokesmen can say!

  • JadedByPolitics

    mostly I got to this part….

    “I?ve been thinking for a while that all the writing here about Obama and the Democrats and how they are singlehandedly ruining this country rings a little hollow and I?ve found myself lately having trouble listening to Rush, Laura, Sean, and the rest of the Conservative Commentariati and being unable to get comfortable listening to them or blogging or even, (GASP) reading Read State or TMR. I think it?s partly because every comment about how bad the Democrats are brings in an involuntary thought of, ?The Republicans are just as bad!?

    OMG that is exactly how I have been…..I am just disgusted with OUR side that I cannot begin to get down in the gutter over their hateful disgusting side BUT that day is over IT IS TIME to get back down to the business of KICKING out those traitors to the party and getting true Conservatives back in office. WE may never have a full boat of Conservatives because of tools like those out of ME and PA but we need to work with what we have and look towards PRIMARIES to kick out the others!

    • Mike gamecock DeVine

      bravo
      let’s do more of it

      • AceInTX

        but that’s not enough is my point…

        We need him and the rest to get us all to turn an eye inward so we can fix the problem with ourselves so we can restore our credibility as a movement and ultimately a Party…and if we can’t fis the Party…we need to move on….but we can no longer afford to play the “My party do or die game any longer.

        we’re unbelievably ineffective right now because every time I here someone criticizing the big 0 all I hear from our side is:

        Blah Blah

        • Mike gamecock DeVine

          I don’t know how Rush could do more unless he were on for 4 hours a day instead of 3!

          I think having only 3 vote for this stimulus is huge for our side. Obama and the dems own it and the economy now, and the best advocacy for conservatism has always been fresh in the mind evidence of the failures of liberalism which we will all be getting soon. Obama is already exhibiting his alien social values and weakness on national security.

          Feels right!

          GOP and conservatism will make a comeback, huge one, in 2010.

          • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

            Just sayin.

    • AceInTX

      [quote]Well Ace once again you are in my head :-0….[/quote]

      Celebration Dance

      LOL…just kidding

      [quote]OMG that is exactly how I have been?..I am just disgusted with OUR side that I cannot begin to get down in the gutter over their hateful disgusting side BUT that day is over IT IS TIME to get back down to the business of KICKING out those traitors to the party and getting true Conservatives back in office. WE may never have a full boat of Conservatives because of tools like those out of ME and PA but we need to work with what we have and look towards PRIMARIES to kick out the others![/quote]

      I agree totally…but we also need som introspection…before we can even pick the speck out of the RINO’s eyes we need to committ ourselves to never again turn a blind eye to our side doing the wrong thing just because it’s our guys doing it…that’s the bottom line in my post…I’ve flailed around for months attacking RINOs, the RNC and everyone else when the whole time I’ve missed the fact that none of them would have been able to make their mischeif if I and others like me hadn’t been asleep at the wheel for the last eight years!

  • bk

    The Republican party had an identity 15 years ago with Newt and the Contract. You could tell what we stood for. That’s not clear any more.

    Are we for smaller government? Not really – just not quite as big as the Dems want.

    Are we for local control of education? Not really – just not quite as intrusive and centralized as the Dems want.

    Are we for immigration control? – Not really, just not quite as open borders as the Dems want.

    You can find lots of other examples I’m sure where we look like the Democratic Lite Party. As has been said a million times here, if voters have a choice between the real thing and the lite version they’ll usually choose the real thing.

    And in a similar vein, we’ve been horrible at the national level about how to divvy up election resources. We wasted money and endorsements on people like Jeffords and Chafee and Specter who stabbed us in the back in different ways. (Though Specter does have his occasional moments of brilliance.)

    As long as it’s impossible to tell what we stand for, it’s hard to get people on our side. We’re fighting both the Democrats and most of the national media, so our message needs to be crystal clear.

    • scarlos

      We need a clear set of principles that set us apart from the Democrats, and we don’t have that right now.

      I think a bigger problem though is that we don’t have consistent punishments for those who decide to break with those principles. There is quite literally no incentive for “moderate” member not to toe the party line, they will continue to get republican votes and republican funds because as the argument goes, “It’s better than a Democrat holding it.” Case in point being Jim Jeffords, Lincoln Chaffee, and hundreds more going down to the state and local level.

      • rbdwiggins

        has not changed in over two-hundred years. Historical evidence shows that it holds true for the prosperity of our Republic and electoral success.

        Our Founding principles, and conservative principles, are one and the same.

        As far as the “moderates” are concerned: Quell the anger, stop the finger-pointing and let them go their way.

        • bk

          “Our Founding principles, and conservative principles, are one and the same.”

          • wennejunk

            Just because we hold these truths to be self-evident and just because most of us (probably) vote Republican, we assumed that the GOP at large felt the same way.

            So, either we work to change the GOP or we build a conservative voting block that is large enough to truly dominate the GOP.

            I prefer the former over the latter as it makes it too easy for moderates to triangulate.

            They can point to Conservative interest groups, and demonize their influence in the GOP, rather than draw attention to themselves for standing apart from the GOP.

          • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

            Politician called on eliminating all subsidies to business? Or zeroing out whole departments in the government? Or paring down foreign aid? Or ending the use of paramilitary police tactics and the war on drugs? Or kicking out everyone on an expired visa? etc.etc. I could go on and on.

            The only guy who has done this is Ron Paul, and for other reasons he is unpalatable. But Ron Paul would not have the hysterical fanatical following he has IF OTHER POLITICIANS WERE SAYING SOME OF THESE THINGS!!!

            He only has this following because he is the ONLY guy saying it.

            One thing is for sure, being Democrat lite is not ever going to work and that is all we have been since the sixth year of Ronald Reagan.

          • rbdwiggins

            When “conservative” Democrats win in districts which have historically favored Republicans, it’s logical to think that the GOP would get the message… Field conservative candidates.

            Memo to Steele: Work to close the Republican primaries to allow only registered Republicans who were legally registered thirty-days before the election.

            It’s a start toward engineering conservative control of the GOP, because we don’t need any input from the Democrats.

          • AceInTX

            yeah we need to burn the RINOs out…or at least send them scurrying to the corner with scourge stripes on their backs every time they betray us…but my point is much deeper and it is much more important that we recognize our own fault in getting to our current situation…and that is the complacency we exorcised over the last eight years and the fact that we ignored the misbehavior of our guys simply because they were our guys…we’re all ticked now because Snowe, Collins, and Specter sold conservatives down the river when Bush, Hastert, Delay, Boehner, McCaonell, Frist, Lott and Blount were doing the same thing for eight years before that…We are as much to blame for the current state of affairs because the party has no credibility, because we did nothing while our own guys were busy doing everything they could to destroy that credibility…We never held them to account for any of it and now I can’t say with any integrity that I believe the Republican Party stands for a smaller less intrusive government since they passed NCLB, the PDB, voted en mass for a bloated 300 billion doillar farm bill and a 700 billion dollar TARP bill etc…or that they stand for a non interventionist judiciary when they allowed Schumer and company filibuster our appointees for better than a year, sold out to the Democrats on the gang of 14 and they’ve not raised a word of protest while Dodd has kept every nominee bottled up in committee. I can say that I believe the Republican Party believes in lower taxes when they had two years after the 2004 elections to make the earlier tax cuts permanent. I can’t say I believe the Republican Party is the pro life party when they’ve done nothing in 8 years to restrict abortion in any way and haven’t fought the democrats obvious strategy of blocking pro life judges…and after a Republican President was the first president in history who decided it was ok to spend federal funds experimentation on aborted embryos and opened the door to the inevitable embryo farms we’ll see in the near future. I can’t say I believe the Republican Party is for a strong national defense any more since it took massive arm twisting after the 2006 elections to get Republicans on board for Bush’s surge because many of them were ready to run to the hills on the war in Iraq

            And I can’t say I believe the Republican Party believes in freedom of speech because it nominated the author of McCain Feingold to be it’s standard bearer…or that the Party is the property rights party because they’ve done nothing to deal with the travesty visited upon us in Kelo vs New Haven Conn…or that the party is the party of the free market when it passes TARP to bail out failed banks and are standing by now as the Democrats federalize our banking system.

            I mean…com on man…what makes the Republican Party any better than the Democrat Party? Why am I even a Republican? Why do Conservatives continue to sell themselves to this party for 40 pieces of silver?

            After all that…what I’m driving at is…why should I care and how can I believe anything anyone says about how bad Obama or the Democrat Congress is when the so called opposition is a party of socialist wannabees

            Again the issue is credibility…if I can’t believe in my own party…how can I convince anyone they should to?

          • AceInTX
          • RedWhite_and_Truth

            I, too, was screaming into the wind when Bush said “compassionate conservatism,” new tone, etc.

            Hey Mr. “Conservative” Republican President, try this one on for size: You get the White House, you go for the jugular. Especially against these Marxists we have on the other side. You get busy enacting the policies we elected you to implement (and that you promised to do).

            You are fearless in nominating conservative judges, slash and eliminate whole depts. (Education, anyone?), and go as far as a Fair Tax.

            The Commies have NO PROBLEM stating exactly what they plan to do. They are unapologetic, and they do it. Witness O-Bammy. He is busy “re-making” my beloved country into a banana republic.

            Why can’t we mirror their zeal, and do the right things, for a change?

          • Achance
          • janis

            n/t

          • rbdwiggins
          • AceInTX
      • AceInTX

        We need a clear set of principles that set us apart from the Democrats, and we don?t have that right now.

        I think a bigger problem though is that we don?t have consistent punishments for those who decide to break with those principles. There is quite literally no incentive for ?moderate? member not to toe the party line, they will continue to get republican votes and republican funds because as the argument goes, ?It?s better than a Democrat holding it.? Case in point being Jim Jeffords, Lincoln Chaffee, and hundreds more going down to the state and local level.

        I would make one revision however…where you say party I would say Conservatives…I’m increasingly of the mind that the Republican Party is not mine…it is the moderates and the NE liberals party…they control it…we do no…for me…the Republican Party is nothing more than a means to an end unless at some point conservatives control it completely…I think Rush hit the nail on the head when he said, “Conservatives are the RINOS”. It’s always be the moderates and NE establishment’s party…they’ve just rode us like rented mules and thrown us into she stall all wet and used up from the beginning and we’ll never fix this till we look inward and fix ourselves, change our attitudes about ourselves, and decided we can play the moderates game and walk off the reservation just as easily as those we have called RINOs!

    • AceInTX

      no more turning a blind eye toward our own party just because it’s our party…They wouldn’t have been able to do the things they’ve done…and destroy our party at the national level if we as conservatives hadn’t played the “My party right or wrong, my party do or die” game…

      We can’t afford our own complacency any more…we need accountability not just from our leadership and the RINOS amoung us…we need to rebuild our own credibility before we can take the speck out of their eyes!

  • reddog53

    You make a lot of great points about looking to the source of our problems within our control. We absolutely need to change the approach of trying to appeal by being ‘almost Democrats’ on many issues. To be fair, though, many ended up in that position after relentless attacks that showed them throwing old ladies into the street and starving children.

    I recently went to some grass roots events to get involved and was pleasantly surprised by the turnout and the general ‘buzz’ of the participants. The reawakening you’re looking for has started, I think.

    As for the pundits, I think you’re shorting Hannity some credit. He put Mike Pence and other Congressmen on repeatedly to help get their message out on the stimulus bill, and he even had a very solid confrontation with Arlen Spector. Rush has also been doing a lot to highlight the positive side, while not shirking the need to demonstrate what the left is up to. We definitely need their ‘megaphones’ in this fight, so the trick is to get them to allow our points to be made by calling in.

    Finally, though, we need to find some conservatives who are willing to go through the grinder ahead in order to hold office at the local, state and federal level. This is not easy, and we should realize what we’re asking of these folks.

    • AceInTX

      I give Rush and Sean the credit where credit is due…and by all means we should attack the Democrats but they need to get us…not just the Democrats and the Republican Party leadership…to look at ourselves and the fact that it’s been our inactivity, complacency and go along to get along with our party bosses attitude that has put us where we are!

      Fixing the movement starts with each of us as individuals because we can’t take the speck out of our leaderships eyes till we have the plank out of our own.

    • mom2oneson

      Why didn’t they fight back when they were attacked with those things?

  • Mike gamecock DeVine

    of trying to pull planks from the spineless GOP since it started to go bad in 1995. If more followed Rush’s advice we wouldn’t be in this mess. He also criticizes the dems. He has no plank in his eye.

    • AceInTX

      I know Rush has gone after the Dems, and party leaderhip, and the RINOs, so have I…but that’s not the point or target of this piece…Rush and Sean aren’t even the point…

      the point and focus I am on here is us….it’s me….it’s you…it’s anyone who…over the last eight years…has rested on their laurels and trusted our guys to do the right thing just because they’re our guys…those of us…and I’m chief among them…who has turned a blind eye as they’ve spent trillions of dollars, expanded government exponentially and blown our credibility…we can’t fix anything with the RINOs or the Republican Party leadership until we fix ourselves…We need Rush and Hannity and the rest to point that out…that’s all they really have to do with this post…the rest is about me and the rest of us!

  • Kowalski

    One of the most important purposes of Redstate is to be the consistent and unapologetic Internet destination for Conservatives and Republicans, but it has other purposes, also:

    To foster debate about what that means among and between the rather large group of people who call themselves Republicans and Conservatives in all the different states of our country (not to mention states of mind).

    To help critique our own when they go off the rails, and if necessary, throw them under the bus.

    To articulate ideas that will help Conservatives and Republicans win in the long run, not just score points in the short run.

    It’s OK to feel disaffected from time to time. It’s natural. I’ve been disaffected with Redstate more than a few times in the past few years. But Redstate has been more consistently correct, on the average, than our elected Representatives and Senators have been: every time I think I’ve got something that really makes me upset, something that makes me temporarily feel like I want to leave, I look at the record. Redstate across the board has been correct about some of the biggest issues you’re talking about — more correct than our politicians, and usually ahead of them. It’s here, on this blog, where the real direction and future of the Republican Party is going to come from.

    It’s a big country. Fight hard and talk about the things you believe in, from your point of view. Do it honestly and do it with the expectation that not everyone is always going to agree with you. Keep people honest. Keep yourself honest, and most of all be true to yourself. Great post.

    • Kowalski

      Because I was here that morning, the day that GWB announced Harriet Miers as his nominee was the most amazing thing I’ve ever seen in the blogosphere. The criticism and the objection to that nomination here was so pointed, outpouring of objection was ENORMOUS — and well-reasoned. It was a volcano of disapproval, from Thomas all the way down. I know in my bones that Redstate did a lot to prevent that nomination from succeeding, and boy am I proud we did.

    • AceInTX

      Rush, Hannity, Ingrahgam…etc.

      My post is about introspection…it’s about accountability…it’s about taking credit for our own culpability in our current state…it’s about all that and more…we have to fix our own faults before we fix others…and we have to stop turning a blind eye towards our own guys maleficence simply because they have an R by their name!

  • Flagstaff

    But about credibility, I couldn’t agree more.

    It will take time, but the first step in re-establishing credibility was taken when Congressional ‘Pubs maintained solidarity against the spending bill. That needs to continue for a long time. The Senate was almost as good, because nobody could possibly believe the three blind mice represent conservative Republican values.

    But I wouldn’t say, ?The Republicans are just as bad!? They are not as bad, and they are worse. Not as bad because, for instance, a Republican President would veto this bill, but would probably not even be faced with it. Worse because the Dems are doing what they claim to believe in, while ‘Pubs have to violate their supposed principles to support some of these programs.

    As for us, the wife and I have been more vocal lately, both writing and calling the politicians involved. Perhaps our words of encouragement helped Senator Gregg decide to reverse course, who knows?

    Now to read Dowdy’s article.

    • AceInTX

      It will take time, but the first step in re-establishing credibility was taken when Congressional ?Pubs maintained solidarity against the spending bill. That needs to continue for a long time. The Senate was almost as good, because nobody could possibly believe the three blind mice represent conservative Republican values.

      That great event can be explained away as Republicans sticking it to the Democrats and nothing more…it can and will be argued that were Bush still President and were Republicans in control…they’d line up and follow the pied piper off the cliff…the fact is…the last eight years proves the point…it’s not enough to oppose bad policy when it’s the Democrats push it…we have to opose it no matter who is pushing it whether there is an R before their name or a D.

      • Flagstaff

        That’s why I included “That needs to continue for a long time.”

        If it had been followed during the W years, we wouldn’t have our current problems. The ‘Pubs not only have to stand united against ALL bad policy, they have to articulate the fact that their opposition is principled, not partisan. The fact that some Dems voted with us can be used, sometimes to good effect. Unfortunately, some of those ‘no’ votes came from leftists who were unhappy that the package was too small.

        • AceInTX
  • jerry38

    We need unity of the right. We need our George Soros and we need 100 little conservative sweatshops to come together into our own moveon.org. Maybe call it moveout.org.

    Beck, Ingram, Rush – are probably the keys to helping out from the media. Hannity is too much a party man himself, someone who has to repeat “I am not a republican, I am a Reagan conservative” 50 times a day doth protest too much.

  • eburke

    proportions. Game…set…match!

    Course expected no less from a fellow Texan.

    • AceInTX

      Celebration Dance

  • DONTREADONME

    I read the same post the other day from Darvin and thought about it. I was thinking well he seemed to pointing at us for getting distracted with Obama and Democrat policy rather than taking care of our internal business. Well, I have not forgotten about the Republicans left turn to the center over the last eight years and have sat many times wondering, what the heck are they doing (Rep). I actually heard Rush going after these guys for many days about the Republicans sacrificing Conservatives in the name of bipartisanship. Well, we now see what that abandonment meant to the Republican party. Rush has said that when you put a Republican that votes with the Democrats against a true Democrat the Democrat wins. Well, when you put a liberal Republican against a Conservative Democrat they will vote for the Conservative Democrat. Funny thing I am seeing a pattern here.

    Rush has always said he needs no one to stick up for him; however, I just wanted to let you know that Rush will attack the Republicans harder than the Dems but without the same humor. Sean OTOH has lost me, because he seems to just repeat things. Plus I got tired of listening to him with Democrat strategists and on occassions seemed like he was just repeating the same thing. Anyway, I enjoyed your diary better than Darvin’s, definitly came off less confrontational.

    One last thought, those Republicans that are from the NE, I do not expect them to vote any differently unless their state and constituency expects them to; however, I would say that the Republican whips are not lining their members to the conservative side. Just some thoughts.

    • AceInTX

      Again, Rush is a side issue, and I agree he’s doing a lot…my point here is that we need to tend the home fire before we deal with the RINOs and the Dems…my issue is that we have no credibility…While the vote of only 3 Republicans is huge for us…it doesn’t necessarily mean anything because the current party unity on this can easily be written off as nothing more than pure partisanship. Especially after a large chunk of the Republican voted a couple months ago to bail out the banks and nationalize the auto industry.

      My call in this piece isn’t to trash Rush and Hannity, or to say we shouldn’t go after Democrats and Rinos…it’s that we need to pluck the plank out of our eye concerning our complicity in the last eight years of Democrat Light governance from the Republican Party just because it was our guys driving the bus into the ditch!

    • AceInTX

      Anyway…you make many good points and I agree with them…and I know Rush isn’t afraid to take them on…but it would be good if he and the rest of them took us by the shirt once in a while and remind us we are part of the problem because we were the ones who sat quietly by and let the Republicans in Congress and the White House destroy or credibility as the party of smaller government, property rights, Strict Constructionists on the constitution, and fiscal responsibility!

      They could help us by doing that and we can help ourselves by taking our share of the blame and working overtime to make sure it never happens again!

  • Rod_Patrick

    The other piece in the Rec’d says about the figh against the D (e.g. starving the congress by aiming at ZERO tax return as personal and corporate goal.)

    RS has really declared a war against the dimwits in the WH!

  • ZootSuit

    When I get the chance, I am going to write a diary in sincere appreciation of John McCain. Because whatever problems John McCain has — and yes, they are many — he has a quality that is vital if conservatism is to survive in this country: John McCain has the quality to make us hate him when he was not being conservative.

    The problem is not the RINOs. The problem is us so-called conservatives who excuse our so-called conservative politicians when they behave like liberals. You need look no further than the support and excuses too many conservatives have given George W.Bush for the last eight years.

    Truth be known, if you look at just about every “liberal” thing that we condemn John McCain for, he was either carrying the water for George W. Bush or George W.Bush even signed the liberal legislation in the end. Literally the only exception I can think of is closing Gitmo and, although I do strenuously oppose McCain here, I will also say that considering McCain’s personally history, this may be his one liberal act that I oppose yet still respect him for. Quite fraankly, I am forced to admit that I think McCain is more conservative than Bush (and would have made a better President in 2000 and 2004). Yet many of us so-called conservatives still cannot condemn George W. Bush for his liberalism even while we still harangue John McCain for his.

    Indeed, for the past eight years we have excused our so-called conservative political leaders, fearing that if we confronted them about their liberalism, they would lose power. Bluntly, they deserved to lose power and since we would not confront them, so did we. Our excuse may have been that the liberals were worse but I am sorry but “yeah, but the Democrats are even worse” is no longer acceptable to me.

    I wish John McCain had won in 2000 and 2004 and yet although this country is in for a terrible time ahead, I am not sorry that “we” lost in 2008. And I say that in sincere appreciation for John McCain — and I am not joking, I do mean this in sincere appreciation of him — because if we so-called conservatives had the guts, the savy and the wisdom to hate and openly and vigorously oppose the Tom Delays, Bill Frists, Dennis Hasterts, and George W.Bushs when they were not conservative (and yes, even the Sarah Palins, the Bobbly Jindals, the Fred Thompsons and the Mark Sanfords when they are not being conservative), then not only would the GOP and the conservative movement be in much better shape now, but so would this country.

    Whether we want to admit it or not, we deserve what we got. The question for us is what our we going to do from now on.

    Are we going to stand by our conservative principles?

    • Rod_Patrick

      It’s a good thing that you have raised this issue of hidden personality cult.

      Somehow, many of us became too protective of GWH in the last 8 years. Collectively, we failed to call the attention of GWH with his mistakes and to make him responsible for his wrong actions.

      With the above, I strongly agree.

    • skorrent1

      “… so-called conservatives (who) still cannot condemn George W. Bush for his liberalism “.

      I do agree that “McCain has the quality to make us hate him when he was not being conservative.” You might call that quality arrogant condescension, as in “I’ll buiild the d*** wall.” By contrast, W was not considered arrogant. (You might say he had little to be arrogant about. He was basically a “Good ol’ boy”.) Based on Mac’s willingness to toss out the socons in 2000, I certainly wouldn’t consider him a better-rounded conservative than W. While we can agree that W’s major domestic proposals were too tentative and subject to co-option (education, SocSec, immigration, medicare D), I don’t recall that the BCRA or AGW or “torture” bills were ever called Bush/Feingold or Bush/Lieberman or Bush/whoever.

      To the point of the OP, there is much to be done at the local level to shore up the GOP’s credentials as the conservative party. I would suggest that this must hold true nationally as well. The GOP in the umbrella states has to sound like the GOP in the middle, or the media will cherry-pick a Chafee, Snow or Terminator to muddle the message. This may be hard on the slightly-less-than-hard-left folks in New England, but a few good conservatives might surprise, especially in light of the coming disasters of “porkulus”.

      • AceInTX

        Collins? Snowe? Specter?

        I think they proved themselves to be committed leftists with their vote for the so called stimulus bill last week. We’ve heard all these many years about the socially liberal, fiscally conservative “moderates” in NE and how we need to make room for them in the tent and then comes the single most expensive stimulus package in American history which gives money in record numbers to every single liberal special interest group in the country…and these so called fiscal conservatives leave us holding the bag…

        Slightly Left my ample rear end…if what we do causes them pain over the next 2 to 4 years than good as far as I’m concerned!

      • ZootSuit

        but for the most part, Bush supported them and even signed them.

        And for that, I think George W. Bush was at least as bad if not worse than John McCain.

        • AceInTX

          and We let him get away with it which is the problem and the point of the OP

    • AceInTX

      The problem is not the RINOs. The problem is us so-called conservatives who excuse our so-called conservative politicians when they behave like liberals. You need look no further than the support and excuses too many conservatives have given George W.Bush for the last eight years.

      Yet many of us so-called conservatives still cannot condemn George W. Bush for his liberalism

      indeed, for the past eight years we have excused our so-called conservative political leaders, fearing that if we confronted them about their liberalism, they would lose power. Bluntly, they deserved to lose power and since we would not confront them, so did we. Our excuse may have been that the liberals were worse but I am sorry but ?yeah, but the Democrats are even worse? is no longer acceptable to me.

      because if we so-called conservatives had the guts, the savy and the wisdom to hate and openly and vigorously oppose the Tom Delays, Bill Frists, Dennis Hasterts, and George W.Bushs when they were not conservative (and yes, even the Sarah Palins, the Bobbly Jindals, the Fred Thompsons and the Mark Sanfords when they are not being conservative), then not only would the GOP and the conservative movement be in much better shape now, but so would this country.

      Whether we want to admit it or not, we deserve what we got. The question for us is what our we going to do from now on.

      Are we going to stand by our conservative principles?

      These points say very concisely what I took a whole essay to say…so I applaud you for hitting the nail on the head here…but whether McCain would have been a better President is sketchy at best…I think this year proved his impotence and pathetic tendency to waffle and be tossed about by events and I don’t think he’d have defeated Gore in 2000 as a result. on top of that, his contempt for the Constitution which he swore to uphold and defend has earned him utter contempt from me no matter what his other accomplishments!

      • ZootSuit

        My point about McCain is that, except for Gitmo, just about every liberal thing he was doing was in support of George W. Bush. I also think that McCain/Feingold was unconstitutional but let’s not forget that it was George W. Bush that signed it into law. And signed it after campaigning against it and even saying it was unconstitutional literally the very moments he was signing it into law. As bad as they both were on this issue, I actually give McCain more “credit” (if you can call it that) for supporting something that he thought (very erroneously, in my opinion) was constitutional tham I give Bush for signing something that evenhe agreed was not constitutional.

        I call a man who mistakenly believes something is constitutional when it is not a dangerous fool (McCain) but the man who would willing and knowingly sign something that even he agrees is unconstitutional is worse, such a man is a dangerous traitor (Bush). And before I am condemned for calling Bush a traitor, please tell me what you would call a man who nowing signs into law a bill that he thinks is unconstitutional?

        It was not McCain who showed his “contempt for the Constitution which he swore to uphold and defend,” it was Bush!

        Indeed, it was not McCain who “proved his impotence and pathetic tendency to waffle and be tossed about by events,” that was also Bush, who at every opportunity proved that his “compassionate conservatism” was nothing more than big-government liberalism.

        At least John McCain had the courage to stand against that travesty called the Medicare Modernization Act (which included Medicare Part D). Where was George W.Bush and many other so-called conservative Republican politicians?

        Both Bush and McCain were bad — on that we agree — but at least we knew what we were getting with John McCain. The problem is that we really cannot say that George W.Bush was any better — indeed, I personally do think he was worse — and we have a hard time admitting that despite all the evidence.

        • AceInTX

          because he is so in my face with his contempt for me but yes…Bush is as bad or worse because he’ll kiss you as he twists the shank in your back

          • Rod_Patrick

            But my “strong criticism ” of GWH started in early 2008 with his First Stimulus Package. His move should have been “deep” investigation first and finding out the true causes of the financial meltdown and fall of sub-prime market.

            But No. He allowed himself to be a puppet of the same people who caused the crisis.

            Now, Obama only has to continue Bush’s legacy of Stimulus. (Why? Because the real people behind it ever since have been Obama and friends in the Democrat-run Congress).

          • AceInTX

            Now, Obama only has to continue Bush?s legacy of Stimulus. (Why? Because the real people behind it ever since have been Obama and friends in the Democrat-run Congress).

            It’s all about credibility and this is why everything everyone is saying now about how bad Obama and the Dem Congress is so bad because almost everything they are now doing is built on the foundation that Bush built!

          • Rod_Patrick

            TOP PRIORITY FOR RNC:

            The American people must get our message.

            Besides the proposed Techie communication conference, RNC needs to come up with the right explanation to the people about what really happened in 2008 and explains similarity and difference between:

            (a) Bush/Pelosi/Reid Stimulus Package + Bailout of 2008; and,

            (b) Obama/Pellosi/Reid Stimulus Package + Bailout of 2009.

            Difference: Obama’s package is more than double of Bush’s.
            Similarity: “Pelosi/Reid” attached to both package..

            OUR GOAL:

            We need to make a clear alternative to Obama’s economic sabotage program. or the people.

            We need to communicate with the people that our opposition to Obama’s ideas is strictly based on our own take of what is best for the nation.

            The people must understand that it is not about the rants of the republicans in minority. (We are leaving political ranting and whining to the experts…. the Drive-by media and the Democrats who are now enjoying almost unlimited power in Washington!)

          • AceInTX

            Besides the proposed Techie communication conference, RNC needs to come up with the right explanation to the people about what really happened in 2008 and explains similarity and difference between:

            (a) Bush/Pelosi/Reid Stimulus Package + Bailout of 2008; and,

            (b) Obama/Pellosi/Reid Stimulus Package + Bailout of 2009.

            Difference: Obama?s package is more than double of Bush?s.
            Similarity: ?Pelosi/Reid? attached to both package..

            OUR GOAL:

            WRONG!IMHO

            We don’t need to say why what Bush did was better than what Obama is doing…and why what Obama is worse than what Bush did…That’s exactly my point and problem with all the back and forth about which side is worse than the other because by doing so we are ignoring the irrefutable fact that both TARP and Obama’s Stimulous were wrong for this country…Bush laid the foundation…Obama is simply completing the house that Bush began…and every time I hear a Republican Attack Obama for ehat is going on…all I here is the teacher on Charlie Brown going WAA…WAAAA…Wa..Wa..Wa..WAAA Blah Blah

            My point in all this is that we’ve become enablers to the Republicans as they’ve tried to act like Democrats…instead of trying to explain what Bush did isn’t as bad as what Obama is doing…we need to tell people that what Bush did was in spite of us and that we acknowledge the mistake…apologize for losing our way….commit to never turn a blind eye to our side acting like the other again…and only then will we have the credibility to take on the Dems from a position of strength and moral clarity!

            To do what you suggest comes across as making excuses and refusing to acknowledge that you have a problem….the first step in peating an adiction is to admit you are adicted…making excuses and acting like there isn’t a problme just puts off the inevitable crash!

          • Rod_Patrick

            JUST KIDDING…… Thanks for the clarification.

            How can I disagree on this:

            “we need to tell people that what Bush did was in spite of us and that we acknowledge the mistake?apologize for losing our way?.commit to never turn a blind eye to our side acting like the other again?and only then will we have the credibility to take on the Dems from a position of strength and moral clarity!”

            Yes, I truly believe that’s the way to go.

            Earlier, ZootSuit removed the planks of my eyes for me. I can now tell to my friends (without bitterness) that …. Yes, we’ve sinned.

            I am changed man now, bro.*
            .
            .
            .
            .

            *It’s like this: I can now even allow a liberal to spit on my face and say… you Republicans are sinners. [Wait.....spit? I dunno if he can walk away without a bullet on his head.]

          • AceInTX

            and I can guarnatee the a diet of teeth if any try it on me:

            Being Punched

          • ZootSuit

            The only thing I will add is that at this point I would much prefer the McCain being “in my face with his contempt” because I would have no doubt about where we stand with one another.And more importantly, I think we conservative would have the courage to stand up for our principles against him.

            Unlike what we were with Bush!

          • AceInTX

            Mut none on earth can set my teeth grinding like John McCain and his bofy servant Lindsay!

          • AceInTX

            but no one on earth can set my teeth grinding like John McCain and his body servant Lindsay!

  • TxCon

    GWB to be labeled a conservative for way too long. Thus, by never standing up to his liberal tendancies, we got lumped in with him and it cost us the House, the Senate and the White House. By never fighting GWB the public assumed that we agreed with him. His big spending became our big spending and we lost the core issues (spending, tax cuts, etc) that used to set us apart.

    • AceInTX

      brilliant!!!!!!

      • ZootSuit

        (as if I never wrote anything that is controversial before)

        But I honestly do not think any Republican could have done better than John McCain in 2008.

        Mike Huckabee — quite frankly, if that lying, cheating idiot was the nominee, I would have voted and campaigned for Obama. I am a South Carolinian and his comments (and to the little extent he attempted to explain them) about how “we must amend the Constitution to be more what G-d wants” truly scared me.

        Mitt Romney — few really trusted. Besides,as much as I hate to say it, it was either his lackof a conservative history or his religion (or both) that fundamentally undermined him. Indeed, the big story of Super Tuesday was not how well Huckabee did; it was how poorly Romney did. (And for the last time to some here on RedState, Mitt Romney did worse in Arizona than John McCain did in Massachusetts: look it up!)

        Rudy Guiliani — I would have had to really hold my nose to vote for him and, sorry, but I know too many so-cons who said they would never vote for him. The man is not only pro-abortion, pro-”gun control” and pro-”gay rights” but I also remember him once arguing during the campaign that stare decisis may mean that Roe v.Wade must stand.

        Fred Thompson– if only RedState members could vote he would have won in a landslide.Unfortunately, for reasons even I cannot truly explain, he never caught on even with the conservative Republican faithful.

        Who else was there?

        My original favorite candidate was Sam Brownback but he did not even make it to Iowa.

        Unfortunately, George W.Bush poisoned the waters so much that it was well neigh impossible for any Repubican to win in 2008. Although he was far from my first choice, John McCain had the best shot od winning it all.

        • Achance
        • Doc Holliday

          the best he could come up with is to help his grandchildren. He can still do that, he can do it better where he is now. I knew him as a politician, they tried to make him the next Reagan during the Clinton years and that fizzled too. His Red State cult was and is just that. but I did/do like his ideas.

        • Doc Holliday

          over anyone. Sure many have worse ideas, but he has terrible ideas and a cult like charisma, very dangerous.

        • AceInTX

          Blah Blah

        • Rod_Patrick

          Sad …YES!

          But, what can we do? You’re just stating the obvious weaknesses of the Rs and Cs in the last election. In fact, it’s liberating.

          You have just freed me from my last vestige of bitterness over what happened in 2008.

          • ZootSuit

            Seriously!

            And with that, I think I am going to call it a night.

          • Rod_Patrick

            And I seriously appreciate your remarks about the former President.

            Funny, but you’ve just removed the plank from my eyes… which is somewhat contrary to the title of this diary.

            Goodnight, bro.

  • TxCon

    GWB to be labeled a conservative for way too long. Thus, by never standing up to his liberal tendancies, we got lumped in with him and it cost us the House, the Senate and the White House. By never fighting GWB the public assumed that we agreed with him. His big spending became our big spending and we lost the core issues (spending, tax cuts, etc) that used to set us apart.

    • Doc Holliday

      we failed when GWB was annointed for no apparent reason other than dollars and the fact he got hispanic support in Texas (something that was never going to work on a national basis).

      the 2000 primary was a joke. Just think if Steve Forbes was the president for 8 years. I think things would be better. BTW, I was a McCain guy during the primary, mainly for his service, but we needed the non telegenic forbes.

    • mom2oneson

      nt

  • Doc Holliday

    I can’t remember if it was you Ace, but there was a diary here a few months back that ran up the rec list that tried to start a movement to find out who the “real power was” in the Republican Party and expose these “behind the scenes players” to the light. either way, this has been posted before and did not go very far. conservatives are not that big on conspiracies in general.

    Also, you quote the Bible text that says basically, “do not point out the speck in the eye of others and ignore the log in your own eye”. I think you miss the Lord’s point when you then say the log in our eye are RINOS. No, I believe the Lord meant we have to look at our own faults not those of others, yet you use this to criticize others, hard to wrap my mind around that.

    I agree we have problems with the RINO’s Specter, Snowe, and Collins. But the issues you rattled off were pet projects of George W Bush. He is gone and is no longer the leader of this party, in fact, we have no leader. But Bush and Frist were the causes of NCLB, Steel Tarrifs, prescription drugs etc, they are gone. We now have new guys like Cantor and Jindal, we do not need to take them on, we need to support them.

    the Democrats are quickly turning this country into a socialist failure. Their radical ideas coupled with unbridled power are a clear and present danger. We must fight them at every turn, there is no time to waste attacking ourselves, the stakes are too high. I think most Repubs have already learned the lesson, you don’t have to personally decide they have not and whip them a while longer.

    And finally, this diary makes me think of an issue we have discussed many times. You claim complete disapointment in your party’s leadership because they did not do the things you wanted when they got power. This is why I say so often the libertarian-conservatives are the true conservatives, they know not to trust a powerful federal government. We must weaken the government so we can not be as affected when they make the inevitable errors. I still believe most true conservatives would just as soon have Congress do nothing than something, including passing so called conservative laws.

    What we need is maximum liberty, we need to government out of our way, I don’t want to be dictated to by a left winger or right winger.

    out.

    • AceInTX

      or maybe you have a problem with reading comprehension?

      I was indeed the writer of the post you reference and I have attacked RINOs endlessly and with is much vigor as I could muster since we had the worse candidate to run for office in my memory with the possible exception of Bob Dole….but that was not at all the subject nor the reason for my post here and if you had bothered reading it you would see that my target in this is me!!!

      I’m as much to blame for the state of the Republican Party as any RINO walking today because I played the “My party right or wrong, my party do or die,” game like every other conservative here I’d guess…I ignored every liberal idea and bill passed by Bush, Hastert, Delay, Boehner, Frist, Lott, and McConnel. I went along and kept my mouth shut when Delay declared in 2005 that we had cut everything they could find to cut. I kept my mouth shut when Bush passed the Kennedy Education bill, and the biggest expansion in the nanny welfare state since the great society in the prescription drug benefit. I woke from my slumber long enough to put the Harriet Myers nomination in a well deserved grave and to stop the Amnesty Bill backed by your hero…and I slept through the 2008 elections and played the “my party right or wrong, my party do or die” game and voted for your hero last year…so get off my ass….I’m placing the blame where it belongs…with me and every other Conservative that has given our side a pass and our permission to besmirch and destroy everything we stand for

      As for my scriptural reference….I don’t need anyone to expound upon the word of God for me because I know full well what it says and what it means…my scriptural reference didn’t have anything to do with RINOs it had to do with the need for me to take the plank out of my own eye so I can see to take the speck out of everyone else’s eye…and again…had you bothered to read the post as opposed to skimming it to find quotes to nit pick you’d know what I meant and that my application of our Lord’s admonition was dead on the money!

      I’m here to take my place amongst the scumbags and party hacks that have put us where we are because I sat on my ass and let it happen…I don’t care if Specter, Snowe and Collins have an R by their name…and I don’t give a hoot in hell whether the President, Speaker or Senate Majority leader has an R by his or her name…I will no longer sit back and keep my mouth shut while they drag everything I believe through the mud and destroy the credibility of the Conservative movement for their own political and financial gain…

      Like it or not Doc… your three clowns dropped their pants and revealed the truth of the big tenters which is there is no such thing as a socially moderate/fiscal conservative….there are only liberals who call themselves Republicans and I’m gunning for them without apology…and I will never again vote for a Dole or McCain for President no matter who their opponent is because my integrity finally means more to me than any party!

      • Doc Holliday

        what I found to be without merit. as usual we probably agree on most but not all by any means. I stand by what I wrote, you can insult my reading comprehension all you want, ohers can decide for themselves if the points were relevant.

        I do remember you saying you defended things you did not believe in, but I read it that you thought the party as a whole had to get rid of RINO’s “the plank in our eye”.

        Look on the bright side, there are more conservative leaning Dems in Congress than liberal Republicans. If we dump the three RINO’s you call “mine” for some crazy reason, we can still win if the blue Dogs join us or lose their seats.

        bye the way, you need to chill a bit. I commented on your argument, I did not make ad hominem attacks or false accusations as did you. And by the way, I did not defend Bush/Frist on NCLB, Steel tarrifs, immigration, medicare prescription benefits, the unitary executive, or any of the compassionate conservatism, so I guess I am free to criticize the Democrats. Good luck setting Hannity, Rush, and Laura straight.

        • AceInTX

          so please don’t characterize what I’ve said. That’s the reason for the tenor of my reply to you above. Again you ignore my thesis and attack specific points completely out of context from what I wrote…Did I dig my spurs in when I listed my grievances with the RINOs who have destroyed this party and nuked our credibility with the public…well…yeah. Looks like I cut a little too close to the bone considering your reaction.

          Again, I said it over and over again in my post…and I said it as stridently as possible in my reply to you that the target of my post is me…and the millions of Republicans like me who turned a blind eye to what Bush, Hastert, Delay, Boehner, Blount, Lott, Frist and McComnnell did over the last eight years and the fact that you criticized me for leaving it out is all the proof I need that either you have a problem with reading comprehension or you didn’t read my post before shooting from the lip!

          Good luck setting Hannity, Rush, and Laura straight.

          Again…not the main point of my post…by mentioning them I was simply expounding on what Darwin had to say and tying his article to the points I was making since his post is what triggered the thoughts that became this post.

          • AceInTX
  • redneck_hippie

    Good work, Ace.

    I don’t have to agree with 100% of what you wrote to congratulate you,

    See, you can be controversial without starting a gunfight. He he.

    • AceInTX

      Celebration Dance
      1

  • http://streetlevel.blogtownhall.com Darvin_Dowdy

    …hauls in another load of “Bull…”. But I’m blown away!

    “Who are the money guys? Who are the campaign managers and tacticians that pull their strings? Yet even that isn?t deep enough…”

    Thats it AceLNTX. Do you remember Erick’s “Operation Leper”? Time to go after these slugs. Especially the “money guys”. The BIG donors, namely Thomas Donohue/Randel Johnson of the US Chamber to name a couple.
    But, as you say, “it goes deeper”. So true. I do what I can on my little blog but I explain things from the streetlevel. Because, as you say Brotha, I have a bit of a mote in my own eye, too. But there is one gentleman who nails it spot on, IMHO. His name is Dr. John Fonte of the Hudson Inst. Explains “why” the American voter is losing control of our nation and why once we elect a politician, they almost immediately turn their backs on us and, instead, focus on NGO’s, foreign gov’ts, the msm, the UN and the list goes on. Anyone but “us” who put their butts in office. Well anyway, here’s the link for Dr.Fonte:

    http://www.unc.edu/depts/diplomat/archives_roll/2002_04-06/fonte_ideological/fonte_ideological.html

    Its lengthy but I strongly recommend it and other Fonte writings. You’ll soon figure out that the GOP Hierarchy is full of these Transnational Progressives (google the term, also). They have a strangle hold and they’re not going to go easily. And until they are purged I don’t have much in the way of hope for the GOP. DD

    • AceInTX

      you’ve got some good points and I’m familiar with Fonte…I don’t buy everything he says and believes but he does raise my eybrows from time to time.

      Anyway…thanks for the props!

      • http://streetlevel.blogtownhall.com Darvin_Dowdy

        …on my post said he “thought I might be a troll”. I was poking a little fun at him thinking that he might pass by here. I’m totally up for poking a little fun and a few light hearted jab’s every now and then.

        Hey, loved the Bible verses, too. Never thought of this application for them but, you know – perfect fit. Profound application, here.

        As to Fonte, my belief is that the GOP has tossed out Nationalism and opted instead for internationalism to a certain degree. Especially under both Bush’s. Nothing, of course, like the democrats who’re totally in the tank for the concept of world governance. Middle America remains Nationalistic and they want no part of world governance or even world influence into our own gov’t. And the nationalism I see is not the old ethnic form but a new and inclusive civic nationalism. I think Fonte clearly defines the essence of the “deep” concern/anxiety Middle America is carrying around with them. Something they can’t always express themselves. Its a legit fear of actually losing control of their Nation. And until the GOP backs away from moving in this direction, well they’ll continue to lose ground. DD

  • GreyCloak

    Who are these “rinos”? I count three … in the whole Congress … and I complement them on the fact that they voted their conscience, rather than “the party line,” much as I might disagree. Republicans in liberal states, answering to their constituents … senior Senators all … bucking their Party. As we “eat our own,” perhaps some members of the Republican Party would like them replaced by junior Democrats who will have no choice but to vote the Democrat party line all the time. You go, RNC!

    Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and Bush times two …. deficits! A real improvement while Gingrich was in charge, and Republicans first took Congress …. but the minute our Senators started 2nd terms in 2001 with a Republican President … we got “bridges to nowhere.”

    I would like to believe the party line, but when my own Republican Senator wins re-election with the help of lawyers as his #1 contributors, please forgive me some doubts.

    If dried-up Senators and Representatives want to posture about kids … or some Congress-person who hasn’t been in office as long as a woman has been on life support wants to weigh in on a personal decision, while “the party” has long supported “personal responsibility” and “individual rights,” so be it.

    If you walk the plank, you fall off it.

    • AceInTX

      I can agree with the rest of your post and was trying to convey much of it with my post…but to applaud these three for throwing us to the Dogs is just nuts. It’s why we always lose and how the Dems have continued to gain ground for 60 years when Republicans have controlled the White House for 36 of those years and the house and Senate for 12 and 20 of those years.

      As for who these RINOS are it starts with the RMSP in the Senate,

      Sen. Norm Coleman, Minnesota, Sen. Susan Collins, Maine, Sen. John, McCain, Arizona, Sen. Olympia Snowe, Maine, Sen. Arlen Specter, Pennsylvania.

      Then there is the RMSP House Members:

      Rep. Judy Biggert, Illinois, Rep. Brian Bilbray, California, Rep. Mary Bono Mack, California, Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, Florida,
      Rep. Ken Calvert, California, Rep. Dave Camp, Michigan, Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, West Virginia, Rep. Michael Castle, Delaware, Rep. Charlie Dent, Pennsylvania, Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Florida, Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart, Florida, Rep. David Dreier, California, Rep. Vernon Ehlers, Michigan, Rep. Jo Ann Emerson, Missouri, Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen, New Jersey, Rep. Jim Gerlach, Pennsylvania, Rep. Lynn Jenkins, Kansas, Rep. Timothy Johnson, Illinois, Rep. Mark Kirk, Illinois, Rep. Leonard Lance, New Jersey, Rep. Steven LaTourette, Ohio, Rep. Jerry Lewis, California, Rep. Frank LoBiondo, New Jersey, Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, Michigan, Rep. Tim Murphy, Pennsylvania, Rep. Thomas Petri, Wisconsin, Rep. Todd Platts, Pennsylvania,
      Rep. Dave Reichert, Washington, Rep. Patrick Tiberi, Ohio, Rep. Michael Turner, Ohio, Rep. Fred Upton, Michigan, Rep. Greg Walden, Oregon, Rep. Ed Whitfield, Kentucky, Rep. Frank Wolf, Virginia

      Let’s not forget the Governors who are members:

      Gov. Linda Lingle, Hawaii, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, California

      How about the Republican Majority for Choice?

      Honorable Robert P. Bass, Jr. (NH) Representative Judy Biggert (IL) Honorable Sherwood L. Boehlert (NY) Honorable Ben Nighthorse Campbell (CO) Honorable Tom Campbell (CA)
      Honorable Lincoln Chafee (RI) Senator Susan Collins (ME)
      Honorable Mary Donohue (NY) Mrs. Gerald Ford (CA)
      Representative Rodney Frelinghuysen (NJ) Representative Wayne Gilchrest (MD) Honorable Benjamin A. Gilman (NY) Mrs. Barry Goldwater (AZ) Honorable Jim Greenwood (PA) Honorable Amo Houghton, Jr. (NY) Honorable Nancy L. Johnson (CT)
      Honorable Sue Kelly (NY) Representative Mark Kirk (IL)
      Governor Linda Lingle (HI) Honorable George E. Pataki (NY)
      Honorable John Edward Porter (IL) Governor M. Jodi Rell (CT)
      Representative Christopher Shays (CT) Honorable Rob Simmons (CT) Honorable Alan Simpson (WY) Senator Olympia Snowe (ME)
      Senator Arlen Specter (PA) Honorable Arliss Sturgulewski (AK)
      Honorable Jane Swift (MA) Honorable Sue Wagner (NV) State Senator Jeff Wentworth (TX)

      Well…What do you know…there are our friends Specter, Snowe and Collins isn’t it? Oh… and there is Robert Bass…Son of the founder of the Republican Main Street Partneship. And going down that list it kind of reads like a who’s who of former Republican Congressmen, Senators and Governors who have lost their seats and backed losers for POTUS doesn’t it? Oh…and their board of directors list is even better!

      Let’s not forget Republicans for Choice: http://www.republicansforchoice.com/

      The California Republican League
      http://www.republicanleague.org/

      The Wish List:
      http://www.thewishlist.org/

      The Republican Youth Maqjority:
      http://www.rym.org/

      The Ripon Society:
      http://www.riponsociety.org/

      REP America
      http://www.rep.org/

      It’s my Party Too:
      www.mypartytoo.com

      Women’s Reproductive Rights Assistance Project:
      http://www.wrrap.org/

      The Log Cabin Republicans:
      http://online.logcabin.org/

      The Liberty Education Forum:
      http://www.libertyeducationforum.org/

      The Republican Leadership council
      http://www.republican-leadership.com/aboutus

      There are more of course, the ones I have listed are mostly anti SoCon, Radical Environmentalists. I didn’t go into the Bucannanite anti free trade, anti business, pro Union types, and the Ron Paul anti interventionists who refuse to acknowledge America’s right to defend herself abroad!

      The issue here is for every Republican Party plank there is a moderate/liberal group of senators and congressment working to defeat the party!

      It has to stop!!!

      • uma_richie

        Rep. Todd Platts is in the RMSP yet voted against both versions of TARP, voted against the Big 3 auto bailout, and of course with all the other House Republicans voted against Porkulus. He was also active in the “All of the Above” Energy Plan Speak-In on Capitol Hill last summer.
        In the eight years he’s been in office, he’s switched from pro-abortion to mostly pro-life positions.

        I guess he’s a recovering squish.

        • AceInTX
      • Doc Holliday

        do you want them all out of office? I would say that list and post hurts Republicans are you trying to start an internecine war? You want the Log Cabin Republicans shunned? You think pro-choicers should be tossed from the party? You go too far sir.

        It is wholly right to take on Snowe, Specter, and Collins, but you can’t decide on your own who belongs in this party and who does not based on your own personal beliefs. If I felt as you do, after your last post, I would kick you out of the party. But I don’t feel as you do, I now some conservatives are not going to agree with me on everything, and I want to actually win elections to stop Obama, Pelosi, and Reid.

        • AceInTX

          [quote]do you want them all out of office? I would say that list and post hurts Republicans are you trying to start an internecine war? You want the Log Cabin Republicans shunned? You think pro-choicers should be tossed from the party? You go too far sir.[/quote]

          Given that they hold the majority of the party in contempt and work in the shadows to undermine the goals and desires of the majority of this party…yeah…I’d like to see a lot of the party…funning thing is…many…in fact most of them are already out of the party because they’re losers and they’ve lost at the polls!

          On the other hand…I know it’s not reasonable to expect them out of the party but it would be nice if they were team players…which they’re not…I’m not going to apologize any more for and I will not be cowed by the crap about intolerance and having to make way for moderates and independents and we need a big tent…

          I’m amazed at the way you keep squeeling like a stuck piug when I put out a list of all the subversive groups within our party….all I’m doing is shining a light into the dark corner they lurk in…I’m not starting any internicine warfare…I’m just exposing the pit vipers that have made war on us for the last 15 years in obscurity…

          What’s wrong with telling everyone who they are…what they are about…and what they’re up to?

          “Methinks thou dost protest to much!”

          • AceInTX
        • AceInTX

          I want to actually win elections to stop Obama, Pelosi, and Reid.

          How did that work out for you last year Doc?

          Loser 4

          • Doc Holliday

            I have been around here to long for you to try to paint me as anything but a true conservative. I am not moderate in any shape or form. I am a libertarian-conservative in the mold of the Founding Fathers, Goldwater, and Reagan. I support guys like Cantor and Jindal. When others through Allen under the bus, I stood by him and laughed at their buying into the drive by crap about Maccaca.

            I entered this thread only to discuss your diary, instead of discussing it with me, you keep changing the subject and trying to link me with ideas I have never espoused. Let’s just say we have different ways of dealing with and discussing political goals and leave it at that.

          • AceInTX

            I’m not trying to paint you as anything, I’m simply countering your arguments, pointing out your misplaced and hyperventilating outrage at the fact that I would want to treat Moderates as they’ve treated me and those like me for 20 years rtc.

            And I would point out that you were the one that came in up thread and mis-characterized my post in such a way as to be obvious that you didn’t read it but skimmed it and cherry picked things to gripe about!

          • AceInTX

            I played the part of the good soldier and voted for McGoo…so how things worked out for me…

            My point in asking that question is how did things work out for you in 2008 when we followed your model and lost big time!

          • Doc Holliday

            twice?

          • Doc Holliday

            not to debate/discuss issues with you anymore, I care way to much about logic and supporting my argument with facts.

            Remember when you said this to me a few posts up?

            “my scriptural reference didn?t have anything to do with RINOs ”

            but in your diary you said this:

            “We need to remove the plank from our own eye.
            The plank? The RINOs that perplex and plague us??.”

            See, what I am getting at? I made a fair criticism and you simply denied you wrote what everyone can see you wrote. For that reason alone I am wasting my time. and your ad hominem attacks and enemies lists make me a little queezy. So good luck to you sir, I will not be posting in this thread again.

          • AceInTX

            And I am properly embarassed that I forgot I pu it in there…as for everything else…I stand by it….and I wrote a second collumn and posted it late last night to clarify further and take my RINO digs out…or at least most of them.

            You might try reading it…you might learn something!

          • Doc Holliday

            and even if a read it you would say i did not lol. It’s all good, let’s move on :)

          • AceInTX

            Cute trick you pulled there…but I went back and reread what I wrote and I stand by it…

            ?We need to remove the plank from our own eye.
            The plank? The RINOs that perplex and plague us??.?

            Please note the question mark following RINOs! I basically said no in so many words because I said we, including our commentators, need to go deeper!

            I finally made this point a paragraph or two below and the whole rest of the essay was about me and the majority of Conservative like me that Let Bush and Company get away with murder just because they were Republicans.

            From my post:

            That last word is the source of all our ills now?CREDIBILITY. This is the issue that plagues us?I?ve ranted and raved about RINOS since I?ve been on Red State and TMR?but is it just RINOs that are the problem? They?re a large part of the problem and arguably the main part of the problem?because they caused the lack of credibility. But are they the sole problem? I would say no?The main problem we had up till now is complacency. We were complacent in not watching who was minding the store over the last eight years. It was a complacency born of believing we had one of our own in the White House and we had a Congress and Senate made up of our own?We ignored all the issues I mentioned above because they were all signed by a Republican President and worse?most were passed through Republican Congresses with the largest majorities we had in the last 70 years?

            So…as I said…you mischaracterized what I was saying and I stand by what I said in full…the other post I did focused what I was trying to say more concisely but it was in no way a mea culpa either.

      • Rod_Patrick

        But after the first hurt…. it’s beginning to feel wonderful.

        Like what I said to ZootSuit….. IT’S LIBERATING!

        • AceInTX

          Celebration DanceWooo Hooo Hooo!!!

  • daveleroy

    I totally agree that the Republican Party has shot itself in the foot and gotten away from its core principles of smaller government. I recently read a book by Ron Paul where he discussed the income tax. Imagine the economic stimulus elimination of the income tax would create for all Americans. So the government would lose 40% of its revenue which would translate to a federal budget like that all the way back to……..1997. The problem for me is that the Party seems to have been highjacked somewhere along the line by social conservatives whereas it was more viable when fiscally conservative. If you want to introduce the social issues, perhaps framing them in terms of economics is an idea. For example, what are the implications to the costs of retirement funds and health care plans from gay marriage? What is the economic cost of unregulated abortion-on-demand to society? The Republicans can retain the mantle of social conservatism without being so overtly “weird” about it. And yes- although well meaning, the Federal government has no role and never has had a role in primary education, so NCLB makes no sense. The Medicare prescription plan was an unnecessary and unfunded entitlement expansion. The war in Iraq was unnecessary and costly “nation building” in the end. These are but a few examples of what the Republican Party once stood against. I am a registered Republican and will remain one, but there needs to be reform. In the end, I believe most Americans believe as Reagan once stated: government is the problem. We need to get back to those ideals and basic principles!

    • RedWhite_and_Truth
  • TxCon

    when it started to spend like liberals and stopped governing like fiscal conservatives. To blame social conservatives is a great stretch and ignoring the problem of why we lost.

    • AceInTX