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Well Well Well, Americans Want A Check On Obama’s Agenda…Ohh And Cheney’s Approval Ratings Are Up

Well Wadda ya know!

According to a new poll from McLaughlin & Associates, Americans Want A Check On Obama’s Agenda, Americans are looking to Republicans to provide a foil to Obama’s more radical policies. According to this poll a 51% majority now are willing to vote Republican so they can act as a check on Obama’s agenda. 47% are presumably fine with a socialist bent of this Administration. According to the article, that’s a 17% shift in the answer to the same question asked just five months ago.

Surprisingly the biggest drop came among Democrats 86% of whom said they would vote Democrat in January as opposed to only 75% today.

Republicans? What blows my mind more than anything is the very existence of 10% of so called Republicans polled in January who said they wanted more Democrats in Congress to help Obama. What particularly frosts my britches on this is not only does this group exist at all…but that the number still stands at 6% of Republicans who would vote Democrat in 2010 to help Obama after the unbridled and unprecedented assault on the free market and economic liberty on full display over the first 100 days of his Administration.

Finally…and most infuriating to me is that so called Moderates and Independents went the other way…today 3% more Moderates and Independents would vote Democrat to help Obama while 12% more DEMOCRATS would vote for Republicans.

To me…this begs the question…why are we moving left to attract more Moderates and Independents when that group shows more loyalty to Obama than even Democrats do? Why aren’t we moving right…or at least trying to hold our ground to attract the Democrats who would vote Republican and outnumber the Moderates and Independents willing to vote Republican as a Percentage of those polled by 8%

So…after all is said and done…Republicans have piled up 11% of Democrats and 4% of Republicans while the Dems picked up 3% more moderates and independents.

What does this tell me? That we still need to be moderating to attract Moderates and Independents? That Republicans and our leaders need to continue the policy of spineless timidity in the face of Obama’s naked ambition? Does it mean we need to keep helping the Democrats shuffle their agenda through without nary a peep from Republicans?

Then there’s that right wing extremist the establishment big wigs have been trying to ignore and shut out of the party. You know…he’s that big mouth that makes them blush in shame every time he opens his mouth and was most recently our Vice President of the United States, Favorable Opinions of Cheney Rise. Though still not over 50% approval, Cheney’s approval numbers have climbed 8% since he’s been out counter punching against the Obama Administration and their constant attacks and finger pointing at the Bush Administration on the issue. Of course he’s improved his numbers by fighting like a man rather than shutting up and cowering in a corner like the MSM tools who call themselves Republicans have advised him to do. Over the time he’s been out there fighting the Obama Administration almost singlehandedly. All the while, the cocktail circuit has been abuzz attacking him and the Republicans for having nothing else to offer than the most unpopular Vice President in American History!

So Cheney is out there all alone fighting the good fight and gaining in popularity for telling it like it is…yet we have no equivalent to him on Fiscal issues at a time when the Obama administration is involved in the wholesale nationalization of the Banking, Credit Card and Auto Industries. We have no champion on the subject of fiscal issues as the Obama Administration are busy on raising taxes using Cap & Trade and global warming as cover. We have no voice to oppose the Obama Administration as it quadruples the annual deficit. There is no one to point out Obama’s lies about cutting the deficit in half in four years using the astronomic numbers he’s run up since being in office. By his math…we start with a $500 Billion annual Deficit. He increases spending and vastly expands the Government and run’s the Annual Deficit up to $1 Trillion and makes the absurd claim that allowing the deficit to fall back to $531 Billion is cutting the Deficit he supposedly inherited in half without nary a peep from the clowns running The Republican Party and directing it’s message!

I won’t even mention the fact there is noone out there making a SoCon counterpoint to Obama since the other two issues are so out of control as to take the Social Issues off the table for the foreseeable future…I’m not happy about that…but its the way it is…and we need to stop him dead in his tracks on the other two issues or Social Issues won’t matter a bit!

So…What’s to be inferred from this turn of events?

  1. If voters are Willing to vote for Republicans to serve as a ceck on the Obama administration after 100 days…shouldn’t the Republican Party be more focused on being the loyal opposition and more vocal about Obama’s more radical agenda instead of looking for places to compromise?
  2. If moving leftward to attract Moderates and Independents netted no new Moderates and Independents who are inclined to vote Republican, why are we willing to sacrifice our principles to pander to them?
  3. If Obama’s policies are bad enough to make upwards of 11% of registered Democrats be inclined to vote Republican as a check against his excesses…shouldn’t we be attempting to present an alternative to the Obama Administration instead of watering down our message to avoid controversy?
  4. If there has been a 17% swing in these numbers in just five months…isn’t the RNC and the NRSC making a mistake backing a Charlie Crist over a Mike Rubio or a Gerlach over a Toomey because past and current polling shows a more moderate candidate would win more thab a year and a half from the 2010 elections as opposed to standing on principles…fighting for what we know to be right and let Obama’s policies do our work for us?
  5. Hasen’t Cheney shown there is very little down side…and significant up side to standing up for your principles and fighting the lies of the opposition as opposed to sitting quietly by while your enemies demonize and define you unopposed?

Finally…let’s not forget the recent poll showing voter registration among self identified Republicans is down while self identification as conservatives has remained steady or increased slightly.

Again, the March of the RINOs continues as the evidence proves over and over again the folly of allowing them to control our agenda….so, what are we going to do about it?

COMMENTS

  • redstatebluestate123

    “To me?this begs the question?why are we moving left to attract more Moderates and Independents when that group shows more loyalty to Obama than even Democrats do? Why aren?t we moving right?or at least trying to hold our ground to attract the Democrats who would vote Republican and outnumber the Moderates and Independents willing to vote Republican as a Percentage of those polled by 8%”

    This is simply entirely inaccurate:
    1) Independents do NOT show more loyalty to Obama than the Democrats do. According to your link “The biggest drop came among Democrats as 75% said they want to help Obama pass his agenda, versus 86% in January…Independents had a 3 percentage point shift in the other direction, with 38% saying they would vote Democratic to help Obama compared to 35% in January.” So the fact is, Democrats are almost exactly TWICE as likely to support Obama as Independents.
    2) As to “Why aren’t we moving right,” perhaps because only 38% of Independents say they would vote Democratic, and the rest are up for grabs? That’s where the votes are right now.
    3) Democrats who would vote Republican do NOT outnumber Independents who would vote Republican by 8%. As I explained in #1, Independents who would vote Republican outnumber Democrats who would vote Republican by 37%.

    Fundamentally, you made the mistake of computing the movement of the numbers as the actual numbers. In other words, Independent support of Democrats increased by 3% while Democratic support of Democrats dropped by 11%. This does NOT mean that Democrats are 14% more likely than Independents to support Republicans, it means that the gap between Independents who would support Republicans and Democrats who would support Republicans is 14% smaller.

    • AceInTX

      11% more Dems said they’d vote Republican to act as a foil against Obama in May than said they’d do in January.

      at the same time 3% more Moderates to Independents changed their willingness not to vote Republican to act as a foil for Obama…but to vote for Democrats to help Obama…

      We’re talking about percentages and not real numbers…

      Another way to say it is Republicans are up +11% of those polled who identified as Democrats…and down 3% amongst those self identifying as Independents.

      • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

        First there are two different standards being discussed: Ace was talking about support for Obama’s policies, which was the survey question; whereas RSBS is talking about changes in votes for Republicans.

        In terms of attracting votes, it is certainly true that Independents are more likely to actually vote for Republicans than Democrats; that goes with the basic idea of party identification.

        However, I think the topic here was support for Obama’s political agenda, and there I think it is relevant that the percentage shifts suggest that some set of Democrats may be turning against the extreme agenda that they’re seeing (even as they still identify themselves as Democrats). It also seems plausible that most are moving more rightward than more leftward – though that’s not an ironclad assumption. (It could be that a fair number of these Democrats identifying themselves as lessening in support because they think Obama’s not radical enough and has been moving more to the center.)

        In any case, if there is a rightward movement regarding policies among Democrats that exceeds Independents moving to the left, that does suggest that the Republicans need to continue to advocate for conservative alternatives rather than throw in the towel and try to be Democrat-lite.

        This may not translate directly to votes, but there is even less evidence or logic that trying to chase the Democrats leftward is going to be a selling point to those looking for alternatives.

        RSBS’s point about numbers versus percentages is valid, but this matters only if the two groups are substantially different in size (with respect to the level of precision you’re trying to claim). Don’t know if that’s the case here.

        • AceInTX

          However, I think the topic here was support for Obama?s political agenda, and there I think it is relevant that the percentage shifts suggest that some set of Democrats may be turning against the extreme agenda that they?re seeing (even as they still identify themselves as Democrats). It also seems plausible that most are moving more rightward than more leftward – though that?s not an ironclad assumption. (It could be that a fair number of these Democrats identifying themselves as lessening in support because they think Obama?s not radical enough and has been moving more to the center.)

          We’re not talking about their ideologies we’re talking about those that will vote for a Republican to help slow Obama down…Democrats that are not happy with Obama wouldn’t be affilliated with that group I would assume because they are so far left the’d never vote for a Republican under any circumstances.

          I pretty much agree with everything else you posted besides that one point.

        • redstatebluestate123

          Cleared things up a little for me, and I hope for Ace too. An interesting thought, I wonder if the slight uptick in Republican party identification is responsible for the increase in support for Obama among independents.

          • AceInTX

            11% more of the Democrats polled today would vote for a Republican in the Congress than said they would in January. It’s the change from January to now that is significant. There was an 11% change from then till now. In reference to Republicans that’s a +11% of the Democrats polled who said they would consider a vote for the Republican.

            With the Independents there are 4% less who would consider voting for the Republican as a check against Obama. that’s a negative 4% for Republicans from what it was in January…If you want to split hairs, I would guess that’s somewhere near the margin of error so it could be consider a net 0 over the time period.

            The whole focus is on the difference between January and May. Where favorability I think the issue is entirely besides the point…whether the results of this poll has to do with whether those polled looked more favorably towards Republicans or if the results are because there is a backlash against Obama is a point worth considering…but totally beside the main point!

            Beyond that…I really don’t get what your quibble is

          • redstatebluestate123

            “To me?this begs the question?why are we moving left to attract more Moderates and Independents when that group shows more loyalty to Obama than even Democrats do.”

            The fact is, according to your own source, that is not true. Democrats show more loyalty to Obama, as evidence by the fact that 75% of them are still firmly in line with him compared to only 38% of Independents. Sure, he has lost the support of more Democrats than Independents since the last poll, but in terms of which group is more “loyal,” I think it’s safe to say the Democrats are more loyal by a pretty significant margin (a 37 point margin in fact).

            Secondly: “…the Democrats who would vote Republican and outnumber the Moderates and Independents willing to vote Republican as a Percentage of those polled by 8%.”

            As I tried to point out originally, the Democrats who would vote Republican do not outnumber the Independents willing to vote Republican as a percentage of those polled by 8%. That is a simply false statement. It IS true that the percentage of Democrats who have changed their minds and decided to consider supporting a Republican is 14 points higher than the percentage of Independents, but despite your statement that “We?re talking about percentages and not real numbers,” you made a claim that is only coherent if it is based on real numbers.

          • AceInTX

            I hate statistics because there are always six different ways you can argue it and one word out of place in your understanding of the statistics can change the whole meaning of what you’re trying to convey.

            The trend is for more independents trending toward voting for a Democrat to help Obama and more Democrats trending toward voting Republican to act as a check on Obama…it’s the trend and the fact that there are more Dems trending to vote Republicans than there are independents.

            Sure there are more Democrats that are going to vote Democrat…and that wasn’t the point I was trying to make…the point I was making is that there are not only less independents trending toward voting for a Republican…they’re actually trending in the opposite direction despite all the effort McCain and the Rockefeller types have poured into pandering to them.

          • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com LJ “Beaglescout” Miller

            One thing we know about Independents is that they don’t care about or pay much attention to politics. They watch the news. The news says that Obama is the greatest. They support Obama. It’s as simple as that.

          • itrytobenice

            Right on the nose. “Independents” are uninformed voters and still working off the headlines of six months ago.

            By the time they pay attention again, NoKo will have nuked SoKo, Iran will have given nukes to Hamas, and inflation/unemployment numbers will be double digit.

            Ignore them. They are ignoring politics.

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    Shame so many had their heads up their hind-sides and not pay any attention to what Record vs. Rhetoric would have told them if they paid attention to us before they sleep-walked into Voting booths and came out the Great undead ObamaZombies…. For the HISTORY of it – yep, destroying 200+ years of History of what this nation was founded on on a Daily basis.

  • azletx

    This Gallup Poll say’s otherwise, people are turning away from the GOP and the party is shrinking, becuase its loosing the middle.

    GOP Losses Span Nearly All Demographic Groups

    PRINCETON, NJ — The decline in Republican Party affiliation among Americans in recent years is well documented, but a Gallup analysis now shows that this movement away from the GOP has occurred among nearly every major demographic subgroup. Since the first year of George W. Bush’s presidency in 2001, the Republican Party has maintained its support only among frequent churchgoers, with conservatives and senior citizens showing minimal decline.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/118528/GOP-Losses-Span-Nearly-Demographic-Groups.aspx

    • AceInTX

      Gallop only covers half that dynamic…

      I attribute the decline in the Republican Party affiliation to several factors…fist of all would be Fiscal and Social Conservatives who are tired of supporting a party that clearly holds them in contempt and is embarrassed that they even exist in the party let alone that they’re the majority of it.

      The second I see is the Party to sell and defend the brand of Fiscal Responsibility, limited government, traditional values, and a strong defense. Not only is the national and regional party not selling these brands…they’re running away from them in shame…no one is going to buy a product when the salesman is telling everyone what’s bad and wrong with it…New England and California are prime examples of this. The Rockefeller crowd has tried to convince people to vote for them in those reasons by insisting they are a less extreme version of the Democrats…and look where it’s gotten them…their numbers have steadily fallen over the last 4 years to the point where there is not a single elected Republican in the House of Representatives.

      They’ve steadfastly refused to provide the voters with an alternative or to sell the publican on what’s right and best about our party and they’ve paid the price…

      One other thing in answer to the dig that sticking to Conservative Principles will make us a regional party…There are no elected Republicans in those regions because the party in those areas has refused to present a governing philosophy to the voters of those regions and convince them of the rightness of that philosophy. so…bottom line…if we become a regional party it won’t be because Conservatives have been too extreme, it will be because Moderates and Vichy Republicans surrendered the fight 40 years from now and there is no reason left for anyone in those reasons to pick the Republican over the Democrat!

      • AceInTX

        if we become a regional party it won?t be because Conservatives have been too extreme, it will be because Moderates and Vichy Republicans surrendered the fight 40 years ago and there is no reason left for anyone in those reasons to pick the Republican over the Democrat!

      • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com LJ “Beaglescout” Miller

        But to make the fiscon, libertarian-con case the Rs in elected office will need to change their spots. They have ruined the Republican brand. They can bring the brand back, but it’s unlikely they will. The temptations for backstabbing Republican voters are too great for the Vichy Republicans and quislings we are currently stuck with.

        They all need to be primaried by conservatives.

        And all the Dems need to be run against. Even if it’s a minor candidate, as long as it’s a conservative Republican. Obama and the Dems are going to be incredibly unpopular next year, and the partisan media can’t prop their popularity up forever.

  • peters

    Wouldn’t it be great to see Dick campaigning with all the GOP’s rising stars. So many GOP luminaries have leaped to his defense lately, appearing on the shows along with Liz. He should repay the favor with ringing endorsements and campaign appearances aplenty.

    • AceInTX

      I’d have him campaign for me were I running….he’s benn vilified by the media….and Vichy Republicans have refused to defend him…his numbers are so low because there has been no defense of him or what he and the majority of the Party believe….

      He’s out there swinging the bat at the low hanging fruit and his numbers are going up as the rest of the party’s numbers are going down…snark if you will…but maybe we’d do good to have a few more Dick Cheneys out there taking bights out of Obama’s leg instead of crawling up to him on their bellies with their ears down and their tails between their legs to sniff his crotch!

      • blooch

        Look at the “kick me” sign they taped to his sig…unless he was mobying with that. Didn’t notice it before LOL

        • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

          …when the guy manages to last a while before we catch him. Sort of a spoiler.

          • blooch

            pappyman may need a tag, too.

      • redstatebluestate123

        While it’s true that Cheney’s fav/unfav have gone up 8 points recently, George Bush’s have gone up 6 in the same time period, and this without him making so much as a peep. I’d ascribe both of these to the “out of office” bump rather than any reaction to Cheney’s television appearances.

        • AceInTX

          please note Bush has only gotten a six percent bump while Cheney got 8…

          even if it were even and it could be proven it was only an out of office bump…the least that can be said is that it hasn’t hurt to hit back like some in the party suggests would be the case if we decided to stop acting like whipped curs with our tales between our legs!