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Rubio Picks Up Conservative Senator’s Endorsement; Gallup Poll Shows Self Identified Conservatives Largest Voting Block, and Other Tidbits.

Politico is reporting Conservative Senator and leader of the Conservative Steering Committee in the Senate Republican Caucus Jim DeMint is set to endorse Marco Rubio over the NRSC’s more liberal Charlie Crist. (I’ll note the headline currently reads Demint is backing Rubio in the Florida Governor’s race in an obvious typo).

The move by DeMint shows increasing discontent and anger at the party establishment’s endorsement of the liberal Charlie Crist and adds fuel to the fire still blazing since being ignited by Crists endorsement by the NRSC and the once conservative Senator from Texas, one John Cornyn.

True to form, Politico mouths the talking points of the liberal wing of the Republican party that “Conservatives are playing a strategy of backing conservative candidates against more liberal candidates with a better chance of winning in the general election.”

Of course there is no attempt to prove the assumption made by the inside the beltway talking heads that the more liberal candidate is the best choice in most general elections…an ommission all the more glaring because of the obvious failure of this assumption to prove true over the last couple of election cycles…but hey…they….the Republican establishment, the so called objective press, and Democrats like Bob Beckle have all said it…so that should be enough…right?

Which brings us to the second tidbit mentioned in the title. “Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological Group in yet another poll Gallup shows that despite increasing numbers of people who refuse to identify with the Republican or Democrat Parties, the number of Americans self identifying as conservatives has increased over the last few years.

40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This represents a slight increase for conservatism in the U.S. since 2008, returning it to a level last seen in 2004. The 21% calling themselves liberal is in line with findings throughout this decade, but is up from the 1990s.

These annual figures are based on multiple national Gallup surveys conducted each year, in some cases encompassing more than 40,000 interviews. The 2009 data are based on 10 separate surveys conducted from January through May. Thus, the margins of error around each year’s figures are quite small, and changes of only two percentage points are statistically significant.

Pointing to a potential opening for the Republican Party for the 2010 election is this little tidbit:

While these figures have shown little change over the past decade, the nation appears to be slightly more polarized than it was in the early 1990s. Compared with the 1992-1994 period, the percentage of moderates has declined from 42% to 35%, while the percentages of conservatives and liberals are up slightly — from 38% to 40% for conservatives and a larger 17% to 21% movement for liberals.

The rest of the conclusions drawn in the article shows more moderates, (when pressed to identify their political alignment to either Republican/Conservative vs Democrat/Liberal)…identified as Republican/Conservative by significant margins.

As I’ve pointed out incessantly in the last year and a half that I’ve been blogging, Republicans have to present an alternative to the liberals in the Democrat Party which they haven’t gone in the last couple of elections. Sadly there seems to be no inclination to do so going forward.

As a parting shot on this tidbit let me say this…Only in the Republican Party is it seen as smart electoral politics to give the back of the hand to the 40% of the American electorate in a mindless pursuit of the ever elusive and mythical beast know as “Moderates and Independents” who are fiscally conservative and socially liberal making up at best 17% of the electorate!

I’ve heard recently that such a creature was recently sighted prancing through the green fields of Avalon alongside the Unicorns and Pegasus but I’ve so far been unable to confirm these reports…I’ll keep you informed should I acquire the information and documentation I need to confirm them.

Now we get to a thought that has bounced around inside my head lately…that being, we’ve gone from famine to feast.

As I work from my office doing research for my commercial clients, I always have Fox News playing in the background. I’ve been struck lately by the contrast between the current President and his predecessor.

I know….there is a huge difference between the policies of President Bush and President Obama which isn’t news…but I’m not talking about policy….I’m talking about the contrast in time spent pushing and explaining their respective policies…

My thoughts run to the days of Bush when there was nothing for the press to focus on besides missing beauties in Aruba, mothers murdered by ex cops, OJ trials, Micheal Jackson’s bizarre behavior and all the rest because we had a president who didn’t give a fart in a wind storm about what he could accomplish with the bully pulpit and chose to toil away in the oval office in silence, obscurity and near secrecy.

Now I am endlessly bombarded with the preaching and proselytizing appearances of “The One” on a daily basis! I mean…come on already!…I can’t sit down and eat lunch without gagging because Barack (Neo) Obama is on the friggin matrix (Lame Stream Media) pushing yet another bailout, socialist program or seizure by his government of one aspect of the once free market or the other in yet another hour long speech…I’m at the point of saying…”all right…I surrender already…just SHUT THE HELL UP!”

With that…I’ll close with a question to you all. I’ve been kicking things around a lot lately about my single minded rantings about Squishes and RINOs starting with the nomination of McCain last year and going into the aftermath of the elections.

I can’t help but think that a large number of you are sick of hearing about it from me…but at the same time…I’ve spent the last 7 months gathering data about many of the groups and individuals who I believe are responsible for our current state of affairs.

There are plenty of bloggers out there taking on the Obama Administration but precious few who are keeping Conservatives informed about the shenanigans of our more liberal party leadership and holding our leader’s feet to the fire to make sure conservatives are afforded the representation we deserve as the majority of not only the party..but the electorate as a whole.

That said, I had a discussion this week with a friend who suggested I was in danger of marginalizing myself and becoming the conservative version of a Paultard because of my single minded obsession with RINOS. I highly esteem this person and his/her opinions. Given the fact that I was already thinking I needed to step back and take a breath…I can’t help but think he/she is correct.

That said, my question is this…how many of you agree with that sentiment and think I should forget all the data I’ve gathered over the last 7 months about RINOS, their organizations and their shadow lurking in the party and join the chorus of those talking endlessly only about what the Dems are doing…or should I continue to expose what RINOs are doing to help the Dems further their agenda?

If I keep swinging the hammer…will I marginalize myself with you all?

Would I be contributing something that is missing to a large extent?

Would I become a Paultard because of clinging to a single issue?

Thanks all!

COMMENTS

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com David Hinz

    The freaking Democrats understood this in 2006 and 2008 as THEY went out and ran self-described conservative candidates — whether they were or were not conservative is moot — they RAN as conservatives and WON!

    Leadership…are you listening?

    • AceInTX
    • E Pluribus Unum
    • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

      [from Conservative Candidates (the Diary)]
      the “Republican Revolution” of the 90′s was mis-labeled, it was really the “CONSERVATIVE Revolution” and it brought Republicans to power; likewise, it was the “Reagan Conservative” Revolution, not a Republican Revolution. Many Republicans forgot that along the way. That led the way for CINO/PLINO Democrats to lie their way back into power, but it was a “Conservative” co-opted (read: they lied about their intent) that voters allowed themselves to be duped into. Republicans need to REMEMBER that! Conservatism did NOT lose Elections, bad Politicians (with R’s beside their name) did!

      But no doubt Marco will remind him of that and we will remind him every day he is in the Senate if he makes it!

      • http://theminorityreportblog.com David Hinz

        …in 1994 that the voters threw a “Temper Tantrum” and that they were simply in a mood to “Throw The Bums Out.”

        What they failed to note is that the people threw the LIBERALS out, and the moderate Republicans out, but left in place many Conservatives already in congress at the time.

        Funny how they missed that fact — then and now.

        The conservatives became too complacent, and it became more important to be re-elected than to be right.

        • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

          just didn’t fit the narrative for the Liberal comeback they knew they’d be helping to try and seed through deciet.

          We may not hear from Ace for awhile, he probably feel out his chair and bumped his head having seen me make that post above ;-) lol

          How so many are willing to remain under the hypnosis by choice and continue to buy into whatever instruction/deflection the MSM wishes to feed them is still somewhat amazing to me. I mean, We have always known Liberals purposefully just want to keep the dellusion(s) alive and pull that JackAss level so they can remain oblivious and focus only on what’s for dinner, who’s on DL (DL’s Son jokes
          / Hey DL, how ’bout these “poor taste” Hilary jokes?!?!), when their Son/Daughter next has Ballet practice (yes, bad taste pun in DL’s honor), etc…. But it has really gotten beyond belief…. The opposite of Michelle Oblahblah, for the first time in my Life I am really DISGUSTED and repelled by my fellow countrymen’s voting and/or actions of late! The Racism, Sexism, Class-ism, has been beyond the pale and yet they Baa and remain in the Socialists’ empowering Sheeple conga line.

          Take care and (as always) Regards from NoMoTown (The MOTORlessCity)
          Liberals (read: Socialists), looking to do FOR? America what they’ve DONE TO Detroit (and then all of Michigan this last decade)!!

  • ColdWarrior

    Maybe this is old news, but any time a lefty crticizes Teleprompter Boy, and it’s a lefty with TV show, I think it’s significant. Go here for the story and the video:

    http://www.thrfeed.com/bill-maher-obama-obsessed-with-being-on-tv.html

    As for exposing the RINOs, Ace, please keep doing it. Let’s infuse the Party with more conservative precinct committeemen according to The Committeeman Project and outnumber them!

    “Yes We [conservatives] Can” outnumber the RINOs if enough of us would just get in touch with our local Republican Party organization, get to the next meeting and volunteer to be a precinct committeeman.

    If changing the Republican Party from within interests you (and it won’t just happen), may I suggest you take a few minutes to read the following information about becoming a PC that?s been posted here at Redstate by Martin Knight and Erick Erickson:

    Here is a link to a discussion of The Committeeman Project.

    http://www.redstate.com/martin_a_knight/2009/05/05/the-committeeman-project/

    Here?s what Erick posted:

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/04/30/at-play-in-the-field-of-tea-parties/

    Thank you.

    I am only one. But I am a conservative Republican precinct committeeman, and trying everything I can think of to recruit more.

    Thank you.

    • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

      They have been the only ones with the gumption to bother to criticize the big Zero over anything about not being SOCIALIST enough (at a time that Chavez warns he and Castro bros. are to the right of him)….

      As for this Diary: Crist/Rubio SINGLE LINK Crist/Rubio discussion [multiple sub-links] decide for yourself over the regular onslaught of distorted info to get you to baa like a sheeple.

    • AceInTX

      nt

      • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

        all the DL talk got me back on my lame humor kick ;-) lol

        • AceInTX
          • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit
  • Martin Knight

    Just don’t wander into 3rd Party territory. Sometimes you come too close to the edge for comfort.

    • AceInTX

      I’ve raised the question because I hear it discussed a lot out here in Red Country….but I’m not going there…nt

  • Menlo

    Moderates and Independents? who are fiscally conservative and socially liberal making up at best 17% of the electorate!

    Rasmussen did a survey asking this very question last year, and all of FOUR PERCENT of people identified themselves in that fashion, one they described as “libertarian” rather than “moderate.” They can be a vocal little minority though, and they usually overstate their support.

    It is logically and gramatically incorrect to call them “moderates.” Because “moderate” is an alternative to “liberal” or “conservative,” a person who is only either liberal or conservative depending on the issue is obviously anything BUT moderate.

  • AceInTX
  • JadedByPolitics

    He has a PAC http://senateconservatives.com/ this is the PAC we have talked about, wished for, “hoped” for so give it some SERIOUS LOVE!

  • Scope

    going after the RINOS. Your above Gallup Poll results show that you are now in the majority, and you need to stay there and keep posting as you do.

    Saw this article yesterday, and loved it-

    June 15, 2009
    Conservatism as Political Pragmatism
    Randall Hoven

    According to Gallup, “conservatives” are the single largest ideological group. The poll was based on how people described themselves, given the choices of very conservative, conservative, moderate, liberal, very liberal and no opinion.

    Forty percent of those polled described themselves as conservative or very conservative, almost twice as many as the 21% who described themselves as liberal or very liberal. Self-described “moderates” were 35% of those polled. (Four percent gave “no opinion” as an answer.) That 40% “conservative” figure is even higher than it was when Republicans took over the House of Representatives in 1994, for the first time in 40 years.

    Dear Republican Party:

    Here is how you do it: get 40% of the vote by being genuinely conservative, without apology. Then go after one third of the “moderates” (thus getting another 12% of the vote, for a 52% majority) by pushing responsibility, competence and integrity. Heck, maybe you’ll get half the moderates, for a total of 58%, almost what Reagan got in 1984.

    That is, simply be the party of honest, competent and conservative government. That shouldn’t be too hard, should it?

    It worked for Reagan. It worked for the Gingrich Congress. It could work for you again. Try it.

    • AceInTX

      instead of governing Conservative starting with 40% support and going after conservative leaning moderates….what’s so hard to figure out about that…but what do I know…I didn’t go to Harvard and Yale and haven’t been invited to any NY or DC cocktail parties in my life!

      • Scope

        you would be a part of the dumded down population. You are the wiser and smarter person for steering clear of the swamp.

  • Kyle-MI

    I worry a little about self-identification in polls especially with the term, “moderate”. The MSM has distorted the term so much by trying to create cover for liberals. There are probably a lot more liberals who self-identify as moderates. There are also a lot of voters who just don’t know who they are. How do you identify people who can’t make up their minds until election day despite all the commercials and new? I trust more in polls that ask people about issues.

    • AceInTX

      depending on the issue of course…

      I personally think the population as a whole is more traditional and conservative than any poll will ever show…it’s why the Dems can only win by clouding who they are.

      Most people I talk to about issues will take traditional/conservative positions o the issue…it’s not till you get down to talking about right wing vs left wing…and especially Republican vs Democrat that they start acting like Democrats which IMHO is a condition brought on by the Democrats ability to define us as extreme radical racist, sexist, Christian, warmongers only for the rich and big business.

      Of course they’re aided in their defining us by a Republican leadership too spineless to challenge their characterization of us and too cowardly to expose the Dems for the extreme left wing socialist.Communist liars they are!

      • redstatebluestate123
        • AceInTX
          • redstatebluestate123

            Consider the following polls taken from http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

            These polls were conducted at the same time (May 12-13 for one and May 12-16 for the other).

            “On the issue of abortion, would you say you are more pro-life or more pro-choice?”
            Pro Life: 49%
            Pro Choice: 43%
            Both/Mix (Volunteered): 6%
            Unsure: 2%

            So that seems pretty straightforward. Now this one:

            “Would you like to see the Supreme Court overturn its 1973 Roe versus Wade decision concerning abortion, or not?”

            Overturn: 29%
            Not Overturn: 64%
            Unsure: 7%

            In other words…40% of the country self-identifies as conservative. 49% of the country self-identifies as pro-life. But only 29% of the country want Roe v. Wade to be overturned. Labels are useless in polling data, partially because prominent public figures who are not actually conservatives have co-opted the phrase. I’m convinced that it is for this reason that the conservative label polls so well but conservative positions poll so poorly.

          • DONTREADONME

            yeah, you may be right about overturning RvW with the polling data, but I would venture to say no one has any idea what the decision meant and what it would mean if it was overturned.

            Most people and I would say about 60% probably think overturning RvW would make abortion completely illegal, when the truth is completely divergent from what these people understand.

          • redstatebluestate123

            “More than thirty years ago, the Supreme Court’s decision in Roe versus Wade established a constitutional right for women to obtain legal abortions in this country. In general, do you think the Court’s decision was a good thing or a bad thing?”

            Good: 60%
            Bad: 35%
            Both (Volunteered): 1%
            Unsure: 4%

            According to the crosstabs by the way, 41% of Republicans answered “Good thing.”

          • DONTREADONME

            other than that you still irritate me.

          • redstatebluestate123

            “Do you think a constitutional right to abortion is a good thing or a bad thing?” How is that a loaded question?

            Perhaps the phrasing bothers you. Let’s try a different poll:

            “In general, do you agree or disagree with the 1973 Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision that established a woman’s right to an abortion?”

            Agree: 63%
            Disagree: 33%
            Unsure: 5%

          • DONTREADONME

            If you can not fathom what my problem is with the question, what was the reason or the decision in Roe v Wade. Now start there Mr Smarty Pants and I will let you figure out how that question is loaded.

          • redstatebluestate123

            In Roe v. Wade, the supreme court ruled that the fourteenth amendment protected a woman from state laws preventing her from having an abortion, or, put another way, that states could not interfere with a woman’s decision to have an abortion. So, in other words, the Supreme Court ruled in Roe v. Wade that women had a constitutionally protected right to an abortion. Which is what the poll says. I fail to see your problem.

          • DONTREADONME

            The problem here that so many people like you are ignorant of what Roe v Wade meant and why it is a flawed concept that has not been taught correctly to Americans.

            Now I think your problem stems from the fact that you are pro-choice now I could be wrong here but I doubt it. Now onto my problem with you, I do not believe you are sincere in anything you have said here on redstate. Plus your inability to analyze anything is what I have called into question. You can cite polls questions all you want but anytime I see the woman’s right to an abortion or Constitutional Right to abortion that is a loaded question.

            I am sorry but I just do not care for you one bit; therefore, I will let you continue on with your little tirade about polls and your cartwheels that you seem to enjoy doing to defend it.

          • redstatebluestate123

            “You can cite polls questions all you want but anytime I see the woman?s right to an abortion or Constitutional Right to abortion that is a loaded question.”

            That’s what Roe v. Wade did though. It identified (or, as some would say, invented) a constitutional right to abortion. I will also point out that even if you want to argue that most people think RvW being overturned would result in all abortions being illegal, the polling data STILL implies less support for the conservative position than the Pro-life label. How can more people be pro-life if 63% of the country prefers the status quo to all abortions being illegal?

            I should add, since you mention that I’m pro-choice, that I wouldn’t care if RvW was overturned, I think it’s a state issue (and therefore I disagree with the RvW decision, for the record).

          • AceInTX

            I am sorry but I just do not care for you one bit; therefore, I will let you continue on with your little tirade about polls and your cartwheels that you seem to enjoy doing to defend it.

            Now start there Mr Smarty Pants and I will let you figure out how that question is loaded.

            other than that you still irritate me.

            If you want to slam him…do it on his points and stay off the personal insults shall we?

          • DONTREADONME

            and regardless of the poll, If I asked what would happen if RvW was overturned and then told them what it would mean. Then asked them this question again, I betcha I would find the good and bad switched. So again, I question your ability to use polls to prove your point.

            You need to do some analysis of the questions and ask yourself, do the people being ask the question know exactly what the answering or are they replying based on framing. Then you will learn to see that I can alter any poll I would like to come up with 20% sway based on the question. This question was loaded, the question should have been solely do you think RvW was a good decision or bad and why?

          • AceInTX

            the question establishes a false premise before asking whether RvW should be overturned…

            The RvW decision didn’t “Establish a Constitutional right”. There is no room in this question to consider the possibility that the RvW decision was wrong to begin with much as Dread Scott was.

          • AceInTX

            how much different would the numbers be if the question was something like this…

            ?More than thirty years ago, the Supreme Court?s decision in Roe versus Wade took away the right of the state to protect unborn children in a decision that most judges, (Including Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg) and legal scholars agree was bad law. In general, do you think the Court?s decision was a good thing or a bad thing??

            Good: 60%
            Bad: 35%
            Both (Volunteered): 1%
            Unsure: 4%

            According to the crosstabs by the way, 41% of Republicans answered ?Good thing.?

          • AceInTX

            To add an example of how different results could be obtained in this question…

            how much different would the numbers be if the question was something like this?

            ?More than thirty years ago, the Supreme Court?s decision in Roe versus Wade took away the right of the state to protect unborn children in a decision that most judges, (Including Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg) and legal scholars agree was bad law. In general, do you think the Court?s decision was a good thing or a bad thing??

          • AceInTX
          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Next time put “I agree” in the title and put the rest below.

          • redstatebluestate123

            This is a serious question because I’ve been accused of using titles that are too long, what are the etiquette rules, both written and unwritten, regarding the length and content of a title? Generally I use NT if my title is one thought, but that seems to bother some people.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            But if it gets really long it just looks weird and may open you to being made fun of. :-)

            In general if you have more than one sentence, don’t do it all in the title, I say.

          • redstatebluestate123

            you ;)

          • AceInTX

            I didn’t realize I was typing it in the title block because I type by hunt and peck.

          • AceInTX

            I guess I misjudged it’s length.

          • redstatebluestate123

            The party has been pretty vocal about the issue of a while now, the problem is that the people in charge of messaging seem content to use the “pro-life” label, occasionally even moving as far out as “traditional values” or attacking “judicial activism” without actually explaining the details of what a pro-life person would DO if elected and why it is a good decision.

            The other problem is that the most oft-stated conservative position is that a fetus is a human being. If that is the case, than constitutionally abortion MUST be completely illegal (except possibly with a life of the mother exception). I think that it would be a better messaging decision to argue for a return of the abortion decision to the states. Partially because nobody in a blue state would then have any reason to care about Roe one way or the other.

          • Kyle-MI

            If you break down the polling on individual questions on abortion, most people will favor the pro-life positions. People disapprove of things like partial-birth abortion, sex-selective abortion, and the ability of minors to get abortions without parental consent, just to name a few.

            People still do not understand what RoeVsWade means or allows. Nor do they understand what overturning RVW would mean, i.e. the issue would pass back down to the states, not an immediate ban on all abortions. Overturning RVW has become a liberal bogeyman.

          • redstatebluestate123

            It is true that some people think that overturning Roe v. Wade would end abortion in America. Again, though, 63% of the country would prefer the current status quo to ending abortion in America, despite the fact that 49% of the country (or 51%, or 47% depending on the poll) self-identifies as Pro-Life. I stand by my point that the pro-life label polls better than the actual pro-life position.

          • AceInTX

            In the case of people identifying themselves as Conservative than those classifying as liberal…there is much to be learned from the positive vs negative view of the terms…when you have a near plurality preferring to be called conservative vs less than a 5th willing to self identify as Liberals it’s pretty obvious that Liberal carries a huge negative connotation with the general public vs Conservative which while not a plurality stills shows strength in the one ideology over the other and the mistake the Republican Party makes by courting the Liberal end of the spectrum while giving the back of the hand toi the more popular end.

        • DONTREADONME

          you are definitly one of the reasons I am in good shape. Everytime you drop by, I have to go work out to deal how much you irritate me with what you say on these boards. So thanks, I am sure my wife thanks you as well.

          • ocleverone

            :)

          • DONTREADONME

            you ever met someone who a “Debbie Downer” I think we have one here. Arrgghh! [counting 1,2,3,4,...10]

            So how’s everything with you, good? ….

          • ocleverone

            In keeping with the short title theme. ;) How’s all with you?

            When you heading down this way?

          • 6eorge Jetson

            no text

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Two sentences: Way too much for the title.

          • penguin2

            leads other people to click on comment to check it out, thus broadening exposure to diary and potential discussion.

          • redstatebluestate123
          • AceInTX

            so crucify me and have done with it!

          • mbecker908

            We could tar and feather you though. At your pleasure, sir. :-)

          • E Pluribus Unum

            strap him on a pole and parade him about town. Ace is a fairly non-petite feller.

          • mbecker908
          • AceInTX

            I’ve lost 30 lbs and still have 100 to go!

          • AceInTX

            which is close to ideal for me because of my Football and weight lifting past.

          • AceInTX

            Tar and feathers is quite hazardous to one’s health so I’m told!

    • Uma Richie

      Even though they fall to the right on the academic political spectrum, conservative values are common sense, everyday American values. I think people who want lower taxes, less spending, a strong defense, personal freedom and accountability, etc. are truly middle of the road. People to the left of us are liberal wing-nuts.

  • jcincy

    After watching the demise of conservatism in Ohio at the hands of the corrupt, “moderate” elitists in the REPUBLICAN PARTY, I can only say call a snake, “snake”, Ace!

    A couple of election cycles back the Republican Party in Ohio running on conservative principles, finally succeeded in controlling the legislative branch and the executive branch. We finally replaced Metzenbaum and Glenn in the U.S. senate and delivered the state to George W. Bush, twice.

    What happened? The party shoved the moderate and corrupt Robert Taft down our throats. Taft’s corruption undercut the credibility of the ‘Republican’ brand in Ohio. Voinovich and DeWine shifted left in the U.S. Senate. DeWine got the boot. We lost he executive offices in this last election and Voinovich is on the path to retirement.

    When I get a request from the Ohio GOP, I send them a note back letting them know I only support individual candidates that represent the conservative values of Life and Liberty. I don’t blindly support the party, because the Ohio GOP can no longer be trusted.

    I don’t trust the RNC, and the many different flavors of the National Republican establishment either. I will send an individual candidate a donation, but not the party.

    • Kyle-MI

      This is great example and warning to us all about what happens when you sacrifice principles to obtain power. Ultimately, you loose both. You are spot on, jcincy.

    • AceInTX
    • eburke

      you…you…you…narrow-minded, close-minded, it’s all about me small-tent conservative!!

  • leftylurker

    Where did you get support for the statement that more moderates say they’re conservative?

    I only saw this:

    “When independents are pressed to say which party they lean toward, 51% of Americans identify as Democrats, 39% as Republicans, and only 9% as pure independents.”

    • Darin_H

      .

      • leftylurker

        that’s the only seemingly relevant statistic I saw though. I was wondering if I missed something.

        • Mike gamecock DeVine
    • AceInTX

      It deals with what Gallup classifies as pure independents.

      It says of those classified as pure independents, 50% self identify as moderate, 30% as Conservative and 17% as liberal.

      it is worth noting the views of pure independents — a group usually too small to analyze in individual surveys but potentially important in deciding elections. Exactly half of pure independents describe their views as moderate, 30% say they are conservative, and 17% liberal.

  • Darin_H

    I wonder what the numbers would look like if they broke it down by region/state? Say, excluding the northeast?

    Dear GOP,

    I bet that’s a flat majority in most of the country. Those votes should be easy to get for our party. Then again, that would require you to pull you heads out of your rears and be conservative in DC and not in “just words” on the campaign trail.

    Sincerely,

    • redstatebluestate123

      Since the definition of “conservative” in New York is a little different than the definition in, say, Oklahoma. Of course, this works both ways. On the other hand, I think it probably skews out evenly overall.

      However, since conservative position tend to be a good deal less popular than the label “conservative,” the 40% number doesn’t really mean much.

      • Darin_H

        ,

        • redstatebluestate123

          Just in case, I will explain further. I think a lot of people who we wouldn’t really think of as conservatives from very liberal states said that they were conservative, and that a lot of people who we would consider conservatives from very conservative states said that they were moderate. And that those numbers are probably about even, which puts the 40% overall as about right, nor does it really affect the number of respondents who said “conservative” in any particular state.

          • AceInTX

            on Taxes, Spending, Defense, and most cultural issues more people are with us than against us. The problem the Republicans have are 2 fold.

            1. We’ve allowed ourselves to be defined by the Democrats who have demoguoged us on our issues with no effort by our leadership to dispute, let alone counter their lies!
            2. We face a credibility gap because what we stand for as a party is not represented by our leadership. PTell someone that Republicans are for traditional values, lower taxes, less government, fiscal responsibility etc and all you will see from them is their eys rolling…I’m a Republican and I don’t believe it any more…
          • redstatebluestate123

            “on Taxes, Spending, Defense, and most cultural issues more people are with us than against us.”

            Taxes:
            “As I read off some different groups, please tell me if you think they are paying their fair share in federal taxes, paying too much, or paying too little. How about upper-income people?”
            Fair Share: 23%
            Too Much: 13%
            Too Little: 60%
            Unsure: 3%

            Spending:
            “If you were setting priorities these days, would you place a higher priority on spending more to make health care more accessible and affordable, or reducing the budget deficit?”
            Spending More: 59%
            Reducing Deficit: 35%
            Unsure: 6%

            Defense: There are some issues where the liberal position polls better, but on the whole the public is on the side of Conservative policies in this field.

            “Most” is a word I’m going to have trouble with, but:

            “Which comes closest to your view about illegal immigrants who are currently working in the U.S.? (1) They should be allowed to stay in their jobs, and to eventually apply for US citizenship. OR, (2) They should be allowed to stay in their jobs only as temporary guest workers, but not to apply for U.S. citizenship. OR, (3) They should be required to leave their jobs and leave the U.S.”
            Stay, Apply for Citizenship: 44%
            Stay as guest workers: 21%
            Leave: 30%
            Unsure: 5%

            “Do you favor or oppose a law to ban the sale of assault weapons and semiautomatic rifles?”
            Favor: 53%
            Oppose: 41%
            Unsure: 6%

            And of course, the abortion polling from above.

            Now, I’m only using one poll from each topic, but I picked them specifically to try to prove the point. People who don’t think the rich are paying their fair share obviously want higher taxes on the rich. A public that wants higher taxes on the rich cannot be “with us” on taxes. People who would rather have the government spend money on healthcare than reduce the deficit cannot be “with us” on spending. And while the gay marriage issue is full of complications because of the “civil union” option, the public prefers liberal policies on abortion, gun control, and illegal immigration despite the fact that way more people self-identify as conservative than liberal. This is what we get for allowing people to water down the conservative label.

          • AceInTX

            if it’s fair to tax someone at a higher rate because they make more than others most would say no…

            That;’s another case of the question starting from a false premise because it assumes the “rich” don’t pay their fair share.

          • redstatebluestate123

            The question asks that. The question also asked if low-income people, middle-income people, and corporations paid their fair share. As expected, most people think that low-income people and middle-income people pay more than or equal to their fair share, and most people think that corporations and upper-income people pay their fair share. The question does not assume anything, although the respondents do.

          • redstatebluestate123

            “and most people think that corporations and upper-income people [do not] pay their fair share. The question does not assume anything, although the respondents do.”

          • Darin_H

            and why I’d like to see the breakdown. I think you’d see a lot more liberals and “moderates” in the northeast, and a lot more conservatives in the south and mountain west. I would venture to say that people who are Republican in the NE probably say they are ‘moderate’ instead of conservative (and probably are more moderate anyways) because the area has more liberals. i.e. it being more acceptable to be a liberal there and those who aren’t liberal would identify as moderate, and conversely in conservative areas. (like 50% liberal, 35 moderate and 15 conservative in CT, or 60% conservative, 30 moderate and 10 liberal in SC).

            Of course there will still be some conservatives there, and some who mis-self-identify, but I’d venture to say that those numbers would be small. I’m not looking for precise numbers, just a difference in breakdown of different area.

          • redstatebluestate123

            For the two states you picked, the Liberal/Moderate/Conservative Breakdown is:

            South Carolina: 17/43/40
            Connecticut: 29/44/27

            Some other relevant states:

            Utah (the state Bush won by the most in 2004): 14/39/48
            Oklahoma (the state McCain won by the most in 2008): 16/45/39 (that’s a weird one).
            California: 25/44/30 (What!?)
            Massachusetts: 32/46/21

            In the national exit poll, 34% of respondents identified themselves as conservatives. So if conservative gains were made across the board in the last 8 or so months (6% in each state), then it would appear that you are correct. Well done.

          • Darin_H

            thanks for bringing them in (exit polls don’t have the best track record however, which might explain CA, but I think the %’s aren’t too off). Interesting though.

          • redstatebluestate123

            Nor is it safe to assume that the percentage of self-identified conservatives increased uniformly on a state-by-state basis. However, I think they still served their purpose, which was to support your hypothesis that the percentage of self-identified conservatives in non-north-eastern states is generally higher than the nationwide percentage of self-identified conservatives.

          • IJB

            Most CA residents have *zero* self-awareness, and think they’re all “moderates”, even though most of them who self-ID that way are third-trimester-abortion-loving, heroin-legalizing, age-of-consent-law-abolishing, polygamy-approving, incarceration-opposing, Pol-Pot-revering nutters.

            Most coastal CA’ers are complete crazies, but totally don’t see themselves that way…

          • redstatebluestate123
        • leftylurker

          n/t

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Whoosh is the sound of the point flying over your head at high speed.

          • leftylurker

            Although you probably could have whoooshed me for not getting that.

            =)

          • redstatebluestate123
          • http://theminorityreportblog.com David Hinz

            n/t