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Well Well Well…McCain Will Host A Fundraiser For Mitt Romney

By: AceInTX (Diary) | September 25th, 2009 at 06:25 PM |

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In the “See I told you so” category it seems the first installment is being made by establishment Republicans to pay Mitt (“I’m the genius behind MassCare”) Romney back for stepping aside during the 2008 CPAC conference and clearing the way for the disaster that became the McCain Campaign and an eventual Obama Presidency.

McCain to host Romney fundraiser
Posted: September 25th, 2009 11:07 AM ET

From CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby
McCain and Romney were at times bitter rivals during the 2008 campaign.

WASHINGTON (CNN) – Sen. John McCain is co-hosting a fundraiser for his former 2008 Republican primary rival Mitt Romney next Wednesday in Phoenix.

McCain and his fellow Arizona senator Jon Kyl will headline the event at Chase Bank Field, home of the Arizona Diamondbacks.

The fundraiser will benefit Romney’s Free and Strong America PAC, and features a $3,000 per person VIP reception along with a $300 per person luncheon.

I said the day the announcement of Romney’s “shocking” resignation from the race that a deal had been made in a smoke filled room at the CPAC meeting and here we are. We have watched McCain play coy concerning the attacks by his underlings on Sarah Palin refusing to defend her and call off is dogs and sing the praises of Tim Paulenty as his kind of Republican but in the end…I contend the first installment in the deal has just been made.

We’ll see if this is all we’ll see from John (Crap & Tax) McCain in helping Romney or if he’ll consider his debt paid and go prancing off to his beloved Pawlenty…My guess is this will be it for McCain because the contempt he has for Romney is palpable…McCain’s petty vindictiveness is legendary and the fact that he even did this fundraiser is proof to me that this is real…

As for the rest of the establishmentarians of OUR party…you can expect to see McCain’s campaign operatives and closest advisers signing up for jobs with ROMNEY 2012 as the rest of the Republican Party establishment continues in it’s back slapping, underhanded dealings while simultaneously giving the base the back of it’s hand! You can expect to see Romney’s profile begin to rise and we’ll see him all over the talk circuit…this is where it starts kids…

I’ll point out here that McCain has received a contribution to his Senate Campaign from SARAH PAC and I don’t see a dime coming into his coffers from Romney’s Free and Strong America PAC. Palin’s contribution shows her to be either a loyal soldier who is thankful to his Campaign Financeness or a sucker of the highest order…

Maybe I’m full of crap…Many here already think so anyway…only time will tell…I’m sure Steve LA will remind me if I’m wrong…so pass the pop corn and hand me the remote!

Cross posted at THE MINORITY REPORT

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Scope

I could not agree with you more that Romney dropped out, when he did, in order to give McPuke the nomination. With the elitist Republican arseholes, they still think that everything will get decided in backroom smoke filled rooms. Unfortunately, they had succeded through the 2008.elections Romney, with his outreageous speech that MassCare was a success, is one more part of his illusions. Romney spent his wad in 2008, until his wife cut him off, and, he is still willing to spend more wads just for the “honor of buying the Presidency.” He would be well served to understand that he is a has been. He was vetted, and, he failed the vetting. If his money couldn’t buy him the Presidency the last time around, it sure as hell isn’t going to buy it for him in a tempestous environment in 2012. And, we thought that Obama was arrogant!

Scope

I am going to jump through this monitor and slap them. Get over the losing position.
Scope

I am going to jump through this monitor and slap them. Get over the losing position.

AceInTX

farstar99

Republicans get it now.

You can courtesy and kow-tow to the left all you want, but they will still destroy you, silence you and lie about you.

Once you give a Democrat or RINO power, they become even more fascist than they are out of power.

They’re an evil cancer, and they need to be cut, blasted and burned from the face of the earth. In other words, thanks to them, it’s now kill or be killed.

http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

Everything WILL get decided in backroom smoke filled rooms.

Unless we conservatives come into the Party as precinct committeemen at the grassroots level and PREVENT it.

You can’t be a delegate at the Party convention unless you become a precinct committeeman in the upcoming election cycle.

You can’t vote for the Party leadership unless you’re a precinct committeeman.

As RoguePolitics put it, “They aren’t going to listen until WE are THEY.”

I sure hope a few years from now I don’t have to say, “I told you so.”

Thank you.

ColdWarrior

www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com

AceInTX

?They aren?t going to listen until WE are THEY.?

You simply can’t say it better

aesthete

Though Romney isn’t quite as bad as McCain, I’d still say that he’s a charlatan, as evidenced by his moving hard right on issues where he was, at best, moderate. I would rather he take a consistent stand on an issue, even if it’s one I disagree with him on.

AceInTX

kowalski

I don’t want anyone jumping through their monitors to slap me. It happens to be true, and if you slap me, I’ll slap back.

Now, let’s be clear here: Mitt Romney has a lot of flaws. MassHealth is a whole long way from being solvent. But being a Republican in the most liberal state in the Union isn’t one of Mitt Romney’s flaws. Please remember the demographics of Massachusetts, and don’t discount the good things that he was able to accomplish as Governor before the hand-picked successor from the Clinton Justice Department was anointed.

It could be that Mitt Romney should have stayed in Massachusetts and run again. I think he could have done more good here as a Northeastern Republican than perhaps he could do on the nationwide circuit.

I know as a resident of MA that I wish he was still the governor here. Maybe that’s just looking at who we have now…but still.

AceInTX

please….
http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

is not whether he is a good republican for a liberal state, but whether he is a conservative enough republican for all the states.

AceInTX

kowalski

Over being the Republican governor of Massachusetts, I have to remind them of the facts about the demographics here and the composition of the state legislature, plus the U.S. Congressional delegation from MA. There are very few “Republicans” on this blog who could try to make a dent in that. In fact, most of the people that I talk to would say: “Republicans should move out of that state.”

Romney didn’t, and he did a good job here considering the entrenched and systemic opposition to Republicans. Let’s not forget that, OK? It wasn’t fun for him, but he did a much better job than our current Governor.

proudgop

Thanks for this post

I rather focus my energy on attacking Dems then fellow Republicans

AceInTX

and are outraged when it’s exhibited by Republicans!

AceInTX

and anointing himself as a genius for having brokered the entire deal.

Your arguments would hold water if it wasn’t for that but look at your feet…there is no bottom in the cup of swill you’re trying to sell about poor Mitt not having a choice…and now you’re all wet!

scarlos

I’ll bet he’s going to cast himself as the Fiscal Conservative in the race again.

He’ll get away with it too, seeing as he’ll probably be the establishment pick.

AceInTX

kowalski

After the past couple of years of Deval Patrick, I think most people in Massachusetts would prefer to have Mitt Romney back as their governor.

I realize that in comparison to a lot of redstates this is like talking about life on Pluto.

But it’s true, and they would. So try not to abuse that too much, because our current governor isn’t someone you would want as yours, believe me.

aesthete

I don’t have a problem with Romney’s record in Massachusetts. When 90+% of the legislature, and about that # of voters, are proud Dems, there isn’t much you can do. (Interestingly enough, he did more from a conservative standpoint than Huck did in a more liberal state.) However, it must be acknowledged that his flip-floppery on the campaign trail aren’t very reassuring for voters when we are looking for someone to entrust with powers that he hasn’t been tested in (foreign policy, monetary policy, etc.).

AceInTX

which is doubly annoying when he and his supporters simultaneously make excuses that he had no choice but to socialize Mass’s health care system because those nasty Dems made him do it….while in nearly the same breath he’s out there talking about how he; all by his lonesome, saved the entire population of Mass by creating a “Market Based” health care mechanism that we need to do on a national level!

Flagstaff

The best plan of action for Congressional Republicans regarding any of these current health care plans is to STAY OUT OF THE LINE OF FIRE. Don’t get involved, don’t “help,” don’t offer alternatives. It’s an impossible assignment because it has multiple internally conflicting and irreconcilable goals.

Assuming everything said by and about Mitt and the situation is true, he would be in better shape now if he’d fought the Mass legislature on the subject instead of “helping” them reach a “moderate” solution. It’s a liberal program in a liberal state, and the guy who tried to tone it down is the guy suffering politically for his well-intentioned actions. It would have been better all around if he’d let the Democrats take all the credit for the fiasco. Better, except for the taxpayers and patients in Massachusetts, that is.

AceInTX

first…whether what I or anyone says about Romney and Mass Care is true…Romney has compounded the problem as recently as the end of last month bragging about how great Mass Care is for everyone and blowing his own horn for his part in it….all this despite the dismal fact that Mass care not only didn’t lower insurance premiums as advertised…but it increased them exponentially….not only that…it’s bankrupting the state and making it that much more likely to lead to a single payer system because of that fact….which is what the Dems were looking for all along…Romney was only a useful idiot in their scheme and he’s making himself look that much more of a simpleton by bragging about his roll it it’s passage…

then you add his stupidity to that of an establishment that makes deals concerning our nominees and rigs the system to make sure they get their guy over the objection of a majority of the base and what have we got?

I gree with you whole heartedly…were Rmoney the Reagan conservative he claims to be…he’d have ran a country mile from this as well as the Gay marriage thing…but instead…he put his fingerprints all over it…and if he ends up being our nominee…we’ll all be sitting around in 2012 making excuses for him like we did McGoo in 2008!
Flagstaff

It was all about present-day Republicans not joining with Democrats to generate some kind of lifesaver for Obama and his health plan. It will be a worse disaster than MassCare, and we don’t want our fingerprints on it.
AceInTX
http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

you need a brave, principled bomb defuser who will destroy the bomb in a controlled manner before it can kill the crowd. There are plenty of Lieutenants who will stand in the command center telling everyone of the danger but too fearful to lead the effort to defuse the bomb.

Running away from the bomb only enhances its destructiveness…and your cowardice with the public. No, it takes the one crazy guy willing to strap on the best armour available, to approach the bomb with utter disregard for his own being, knowing full well that if the thing goes off, he is a goner, to save the day. These are the brave guys for whom “service” is something other than dinnerware.

Where are they in the Republican Party? Please identify yourselves for us.

AceInTX

he belongs there…but he doesn’t belong as the establishment pick for the Republican Nominee for 2012…
mbecker908

JadedByPolitics
JadedByPolitics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ9wy2MI1NI&feature=related

He is what Glenn Beck says he is a progressive!

AceInTX

It Seems George Soros isn’t content to limit his shenanigans to the Dem Party…but he’s coaching a team in the Republican Party as well doesn’t it?
Scope

Had McPuke won the Presidency, we would be moving in the same direction as we are now, albeit more slowly. And because he had an R behind his name, the only thing we would be seeing now would be riots because the first African American was robbed of the presidency, because we are all racists. That would be the only focus of the MSM. All the while McPuke would be in that backroom planning the next government takeover, Cap and Trade, and giving more power to the UN, alongside and holding hands with his Liberal Friends. The Republican party would be dead for decades, and we would have been left with the Purple party of the Repubocrats. As odd as it may have sounded when Beck first said he was glad Obama won, he was right on that they have gone so far to the left, and so rapidly, that people woke up from their slumber, and are now willing to fight the gigantic bloated bureaucratic pig that has become our Federal Government, and it ain’t even wearing lipstick.

AceInTX

and don’t forget we’d have likely passed the McCain Kennedy immigration bill by now

redneck_hippie

or wrong.

The question is, will anyone believe that Ace is right. I may not always side with your arguments, but I’m 100% glad that you are out there making them. I believe in debate and being critical of the leaders of our party, because we do not need a transformation of our American foundations. We do need a transformation in the way people interact with their government. Expecting a government to be all things to all people is the problem.

AceInTX

but when I’ve had the impression I had when Romney shocked everyone by unceremoniously dropping out at the CPAC convention before…and when my impressions of events are that strong…I’m rarely wrong when it comes to the result if not to the specific facts…

I believe in my heart of hearts that the decision was made that it was McCain’s turn just like it was Bob Dole’s in 1996, and GHWB’s before him…and there was a promise that the establishment would back Mitt full bore and McCain would fund raise for him if he would step aside and endorse McCain.

All one has to do is look at what’s gone on since…Romney has assumed the mantel of a fiscal conservative even though his record demonstrates that he’s anything but…before this is over…the flim flam man will play the same game on fiscal issues the same way he played it on social issues claiming he’s a true “Reagan Conservative” ignoring the fact that his history says something all together different

http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

The Republican party has always acted this way. (1) pick a centrist candidate (2) get him to support the old guy (3) in time he becomes the old guy, (4) run to the right, govern to the left.

It has gone on since at least Eisenhower and Nixon, with only Reagan being the difference. He broke through the party machine which is why the party hacks hated him almost as much as the liberals did.

Personally I don’t give a hoot in hell for a non conservative, I won’t support them, and I wont vote for them. Ever again.
redneck_hippie

be a problem with the elites annointing anybody, going forward. Seems We The People don’t care to be told what to do, how to think or what to vote for. Interesting times, Ace, interesting times.

http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

an endorsement by the NRSC or other party hacks will from this day forward be a death sentence for any candidate.

The party simply cannot survive another Bush/Dole/Ford/Crist/McCain type leader. To choose such would almost certainly ensure a splinter party.

redneck_hippie

that not all conservatives are republicans and not all republicans are conservative. Intelligent people know this but the mesmerized masses haven’t got a clue. I think this has caused the massive appeal of conservative books. A quick look at the NYT bestseller nonfiction tells the tale. People are hungry for the truth.
http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

n/t
http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

is structuring itself to run a serious squish…like Michael Steele. Steele is placing all his cronies in the powerful positions to be kingmakers (re the corrupt one Jim Greer).

We will have a RNC still corrupt, still broken and are going to have to fight the fight independently in 2012.

Richard Mullins

with the back biting that’s going at this time. The real fact remains that rest of the lot was with the exception of maybe Fred Thompson were not good material as far a candidate for President. It work the same way in 1996. As far McCain is concerned he most likely not going to run and I’m sure Romney isn’t as well. Unless we get something going, The US is more likely to die than it was before. If we ever get another Obama, I’m going to start charging people with Treason. It’s time to make a conservative candidate that can be elected and not worry about what been placed as our candidate. I’m sorry if step on a few peoples toes.

AceInTX
Richard Mullins

Really, do we want him in again or anyone really take him seriously? Really, with all talk from the pure conservative crowd, you’d be can’t comprise a bit. Really Ace, have you not even noticed that the race for the presidency on the Democrat side deal with who was the better Commie, Barack or Hillary. The Dems are always way looking the most hard left candidate they can find. It just so happens that 2008 gave them a two-fer on that front. If you keep this up, I’ll just vote for myself in 2012.
AceInTX

to appeal to so called “Moderates and independents?

AceInTX

The_Rebel

You are assuming that McCain and the establishment Republicans envisioned that they would lose the election. Otherwise, why would they even consider backing Mitt “full bore” if he stepped aside for McCain? If they were certain of victory, it would have been an empty gesture, since if McCain won and was re-elected in 2012, then Romney would have been one year shy of seventy by 2016. Not exactly your prime candidate. And if McCain won in 2008, I don’t think they would have been backing Romney in 2012.

AceInTX

even the leadership we picked to run the 08 elections Ensign and Cole started every speech with how we were doomed and had no hope.

as for the deal…my guess is…had McCain won he’d have been committed to only one term so he’d be a placeholder for Romney…no one thought at the time McCain would run for two terms had he won…and if I recall correctlyiiiI think McCain even said as much.

Achance

five to fifteen percent in the general to ensure that the Democrats control all three branches for a very, very long time.

Richard Mullins

We don’t need more 3rd parties, we need to go out there and make the conservative message within party system work better. Dwelling on the past does us nothing.

AceInTX

my post has to do with 2012 and the anointing of our future candidate last spring….I’m simply drawing attention to the fact that the first installment of the agreement has been delivered!

Richard Mullins

to get something better. The anointing is only one those things that happen when a Senator or Congressman/Congresswomen get appointed. Really, you don’t seem to understand history very well. If you did, you would have known that the Conservative wing of the Republican party has only enjoyed a time as the movers and shakers. What you and the rest those that hear Romney,McCain or anything else from 2008, to find a good candidate and make sure that it’s one that electable. Arguing with you is like arguing with a leftist, it’s never a good feeling.

AceInTX

to clear the way for McCain…Romney steps aside at the CPAC convention in return for the establishment’s anointing of him for 2012…McCain steps now steps up to help Romney build his 2012 war chest….

maybe it’s a conspiracy theory on my part…but it’s the way I see it…and what I see coming
Richard Mullins

but at least mine about the Dems in 2012 having Commie vs. Commie Part II is more plausible. Maybe you should try to send lots of money for your campaign to the RNC to make sure it doesn’t happen. Besides, Money talks.

AceInTX

this is about Republicans being able to expect a minimum standard from our elected officials and being able to fight to stop the Democrats without Benedict Arnold’s like Snowe plotting our defeat from the Democrat’s bed!

AceInTX

Romney and McCain colluded in 2008 and the establishment is busy casting the die now.

Romney is the horse they’re hitching our wagon to and I’m simply pointing out the collusion and what I see as verification of a deal I alleged last spring.

and the subject I am not allowed to discuss has nothing what so ever to do with it nt

AceInTX

aside from the behavior of the establishment that is pushing the 5% to 15% you alluded to out the window!
http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

was following someone else’s sick lead horse a long time ago. Huck, Pawlenty, Romney at this point are all seriously diseased horses in my mind.

http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

Romney was dead to me. Now that McCain is raising money for him, he is dead and CREMATED.

No one, no one who has advocated a public, government run health care option will ever get my vote, nor my acquiesence to their candidacy.

proudgop

I mean the fundraiser if by Kyl and McCain?

http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

votes for advocates for a Government run health care system, then yes he is dead to me.

mbecker908
AceInTX

http://spritelywatchdog.blogspot.com spritelywatchdog

helping to clean up some of this mess instead of running around campaigning for more money? We’ve got a lot of work to do for 2010, and I’m hoping for some other candidate to come along for 2012.

proudgop

someone correct me if I am wrong but I assume fundraisers like this help candidates in 2010

Romney will be donating money to candidates in 2010 from these fundraisers I assume?

not sure what is bad about any of this?

AceInTX

I slapped this up musing about what I’ve seen playing out since the CPAC thing last year…these musings are circumstantial at best…Let’s not give this Reco List billing aye? I don’t think it’s worthy…

If you want one worth Recommending…check out the one I just put up because it’s sourced and factual.

Thanks all…and your unrecommend of this diary is appreciated

redneck_hippie

unrecommending. LOL

I recoed your newer one, though.

BlackConservative

I’ve got to say, that I would disagree with you on this point and not because of any secret man-love I hold in my heart for Romney, as much as I think that you are over conspiring on this point. I think that our 2012 candidates are far from set at this point, and the only folks I would say for certain are running are Pawlenty, Palin, Romney and Huckabee (I’m rolling with Pawlenty FWIW). I don’t think that 2012 is on our minds right now as much as the very real possibility that we can put a serious dent on the House in 2010 with 2012 as our resurrection back into power in all three houses of Congress. Romney’s PAC is gonna be dishing out big $$ for 2010 and 2012-McCain, unfortunately draws money for some folks in the GOP. Robbiing Peter to pay Paul? Maybe so, but if we get some of the commie trash occupying both parties right now, it’d be worth it. Hook Em man-Horns all the way this year!!

AceInTX

If I’m wrong I’m wrong…and have said above that this is conjecture.

As for Pawlenty…I’m stunned….he’s McCain’s favorite Republican as I said in my diary…I think McCain is honoring his deal by raising money for Romney and now he’ll push Pawlenty….it’s the rest of the Republican Power pimps we have to watch on thie.
AceInTX

what’s driving me nuts right now is the Republican party isn’t doing anything to capitalize on the anti Obama sentiment…we’re still trying to act like a lighter version of him…

I’m convinced we can win…and win big if we present an alternative…and Democrat Pollsters such as Charlie Cook thinks so too…but the party is too busy acting like Dem light to notice!

BlackConservative

Palin makes me cringe, and Huckabee and Romney are so 2008. What I’d like would be a solid three tiered conservative candidate that would help us capitalize on the coming anti-socialist wave that is on its way. If Jindal could excite people I’d love him, but I’m not impressed with him as a candidate. Like you said, the party is too busy acting like liberals to notice that the time has come for conservatives again.

AceInTX

another presidential election like 2008 and I may just go live under a bridge.

I think Palin is still our best hope…she’s taking her lumps…but look at who is delivering them…it’s the so called objective media, the so called “Conservative” talking heads like Barnes, Frum, Brooks, Will etc who are crapping on her…and she’s the only potential Potus Candidate I’ve seen consistently score points on Obama every time he opens his pie whole.

Art has his problems with her…and I’m still waiting for him to comprehensively put out why he’s so anti Palin…because I’m willing to be pursuaded to his way of thinking…but if it’s not here…but Pawlenty or Romney…I’m off top the bridge…

As for Huckabee…I was on his bandwagon last time because he was the least objectionable to me out od a field of objectionable candidates….and I quickly soured on him after that…but he’s recently turned my head again….mainly because he was the Only potential POTUS candidate or prominent Republican I can think of that didn’t drink the “we have to pass TARP and the Auto bailouts or the sky will fall” Kool Aid.

Every single other prominent Republican soiled themselves and voted for or advocated voting for that Crap and I think he deserves a second look.

BlackConservative

To the Left of most Ds on everything but social issues-he pulled a Dukakis as governor letting out a rapist who raped and killed again, and to God only knows what his position on illegal immigration is with him changing on that throughout his campaign. He seemed far too petty and vindictive, and far too eager to paint himself as God’s chosen candidate for me. Palin makes me cringe for no other reason than she is not media savvy; having lived through eight years of Bush, the last thing we need is another candidate who will get themselves and our initiatives killed by the media. I think she is much better served in rallying the troops, energizing the base, but I don’t think she has what it takes as a candidate. She would be a good SecState I think, taking on something real like the State Department and cutting it down to size. Pawlenty I was impressed with the fact that he has been out there going after the libs on health care and looking for an alternative. I hear you that he is one of McCain’s favorites, but there is nothing other than chairing McCain’s campaign that I could see as a a blemish on his record as a conservative governor, other than some controversy about paying for a new stadium for the Twins and Vikings. By all means, I’m willing to be corrected, but like I said, we’ve still got plenty of time for the good candidates to emerge. Carter I got us Reagan-we ought to settle for nothing less than a full blown, articulate conservative this time around with Carter II.
Scope

of Palin not being media savy. If you are referring to her Gibson or Couric interviews, she went on from there and proved that she can draw huge crowds. They weren’t there to hear her saying she could see Russia from her porch, even though she never said that, Fey did. She actually even drew bigger crowds when McCain wasn’t with her. during the campaign. I was at the Richmond rally, there were about 20,000 there wildly supporting her. That was only one rally. She has maintained much of that support today. Even the NYT gave her some credit for her speech in Hong Cong. The AP started out with a negative story about the speech, and very quickly changed it to a more positive one. It has been said that the greatest candidate has both style and substance. To believe that Palin doesn’t have charisma, is to only fool oneself. If she keeps giving substantive, down to earth speeches like the one in Hong Cong, and continues to beef up her foreign policy credentials for the next few years, she will be a force that will open even some doubtful eyes. Then again, it’s a long time until 2012, and who knows who will be on the scene for that election.
AceInTX

when every other prominent Republican/Conservative/ and Conservative talking head was rushing head long to pass them…that should afford him a second look in my book…though I’m ready to move on.

as for Palin…What I see is the same people you and I both despise going after her hammer and tongue belittling and trashing her while she’s the only Republican out there that is spinning Obama around and slapping him simple on an almost daily basis….

I’d encourage you to stap back and give them both a second look…and don’t let the talking heads influence you to jump on the bandwagon of McCain’s favorite Republicrat!
aesthete

He’s got a great ear for national politics, as evidenced by his shift to the right on pretty much all issues. That’s pretty much all I’ll give him credit for, though: after all, he hasn’t had to take action on any of the conservative issues that he has apparently fallen so in love with after the ’08 election, and given that he has a program on Fox (I’m pretty sure it’s Fox) geared towards right-wingers, it’s only natural that he would suppress his more progressive views on, well, pretty much anything. Looking at any interview where Huckabee doesn’t have anything to gain from promoting fiscal conservatism, he cedes huge portions of the argument. As an example, see this interview that he has with Jon Stewart (look at the segment from 6:20 onwards, if you’re strapped for time), where he essentially cedes fiscal conservatism until such a time that people are “more civil” to each other (like that was ever the case): http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-december-9-2008/mike-huckabee-pt–1

I don’t know about you, but I don’t want someone who’s record is more liberal than that of many Democrats on everything but social issues and who disdains classical liberalism to have the last word on where our money goes. Also, I’ll note that others within the Republican party did, in fact, oppose TARP I and II quite vociferously.
aesthete

For the extra “even-handed” and “moderate” points (as if!), I’ll note that he makes a great argument against gay marriage in the second part, even if I disagree with him.
AceInTX

but it says something about the other clowns in our party that Huckabee was the only one out there fighting the Tarp and Auto Bailouts
http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

but she is right on the issues ans can stir the excitement in the base that NO OTHERS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO and is able to make the heads of leftists spin uncontrollably, we, as a party should be nurturing her. The minimum win we get is a total distraction of all things leftist.

Maybe should could coalesce the factions of the various constituencies and bring us to victory. But for no other reason other than being “true” to herself and not being a shallow, vacuous chameleon interested in today’s polling. We should support that type of honesty as the minimum requirement for our party.
AceInTX
eburke

I respect Art’s knowledge of Alaska politics so I continue to look guardedly at Sarah. But if there’s one thing I’ve learned over the umpteen years I’ve been politically active is that if the power brokers in both parties and the MSM despise someone…that person is probably who I want.

All three of those groups *despise* Palin…can’t trash her enough…and are myopically focused on utterly destroying her.

Gotta be something there that they fear immensely…like losing their power.
http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

on other like Man Made Global Warming and the need to have a nanny state to “fix” it that I could never vote for him. Anyone that gullible could not be good for the country…case in point, Barack Obama.
AceInTX
http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

to the media which does not have its best interests at heart.

Remember, John McCain was the only person who could win.
AceInTX

had 2008 happened I’d say Romney was dead in the water right now…because he’s taking a beating on Mass Care…but given what heppened with McCain being dead in the water and written off for dead…and the fact that the establishment was able to resurrect his stinking and half rotted corpse tells me not to take his current weakness seriously…

but if he does implode…Pawlenty will be the nominee in 12
eburke

He was absolutely *awesome* this year with a heavily D legislature on vetoing all their spending garbage, stopping their massive tax increases, and wielding the biggest line-item veto pen I’ve ever seen and basically telling the legislature to go stick it in their ear. And I don’t care if he did it out of conviction or political expediency w/a few toward 2012, he got crucified by the media and he stuck to his guns.

OTOH, there’s the whole AGW crap and his support for McCain that makes me think more than just twice about him. But at this moment, if it was a choice (which I pray it’s not) between Romney, Huck and Tim, I’d have to go with Tim.
AceInTX

but I pray we won’t be that limited
eburke

you (and every other productive American) may have no other place to *live* but under a bridge.
AceInTX

if we’re gonna be forced to drink the cool aid…why not drink it all!

Scope

I enjoy your diaries very much, and more often than not agree with your political philosophies and ideas, but, are you serious about Preacher Gomer Pyle? I’d hate to see you go through another round of beatings and solid blows in trying to defend him, again. It actually doesn’t even make sense coming from you, as I see you as one of the biggest anti-RINO advocates on this site. As Blackconservative has said, he is so 2008. Just off the top of my head, Gomer destroyed the Republican party in Arkansas, he would vote for amnesty as soon as McCain would, he was soft on his own states prisoners, and most likely believes that Waterboarding is torture also, he never saw a tax raise he didn’t support, and I’m sure others to could add to the list. If you are taking another look, make sure you look under the bed, and in the closets, as he is hoping that’s where all of his faux paus have gone to hide.

As to Romney, he has nice hair, and lotsa bucks. Even if the establishment prunes try to foist him upon us again, he won’t get there, and, neither will any of the other has beens. I am against third parties period. But, look at the votes Ross Perot got when he ran against Bush Senior and Clinton. Bush Sr. said “read my lips, no new taxes.” Clinton was pushing for NAFTA, which many saw as the destruction of American jobs. Perot, with all his charts, and his, you see this, do you get that, gained alot of support, most likely because the other choices were lacking. We will have Obama as the D in 2012, and, I suspect the country will truly be screaming for “change.” In 2008 there was such a sense of gloom with McPuke, the only real votes he got was from the military, particularly the retired military veterans. Many voted against Obama, and not really for McPuke. I believe Palin brought his vote totals out of the sewer, and kept Obama from a landslide victory. The Democrats, as we all know, have burned Palin at the stake, but, so have many Republicans, such as those you mentioned above. Who does she owe any alligence to? I’ve read that her speech in Hong Cong had a Libertarian bent. Glenn Beck, who is gaining alot more of an audience, with his well researched revelations, about Republicans, as well as Democrats, refers to himself as a Conservative or a Libertarian. Palin has been known to be a maverick, and of the real sort, not the fake sort like McCain. In 2008, the Libertarian Party ran Bob Barr, Mr. ACLU himself, who liked to lick whipped cream from- well you know the story. I really hope that Palin doesn’t go the third party route, but, I would not put it past her, and many will go with her. One thing no one gave the prunes credit for was getting out of their own way, but, they may be forced out of their own way if they don’t wake up.

AceInTX

I’m simply giving credit where credit is due…I’m not pushing him in any way…but it can’t be argued that he was the only prominent Republican who didn’t join the “we have to pass TARP and the Bailout YESTERDAY or the sky will fall on our heads…every other Republican that spent all last year trashing him for being a socialist ended up joining in the fear fest while he stood alone telling everyone it was a mistake.

Again…I’m not on his bandwagon…and don’t intend to get on it again…but I think it’s wrong to not take note of that simple fact just because he’s a preacher.

AceInTX

is a common thing for me…I’ve written pro McCain pieces before without ever compromising my deep seated contempt for him…and I’m sure you’ll see me praise many more folks I commonly hammer when they do the right thing…

Scope

Ace- I didn’t want to sound like I was taking you to task for defending Pyle. And yes, I have known you to be very fair and honest in what you say. And yes, even Rep Cantor, the Republican Whip, who is seen as a Conservative, even bought the sky is falling threats, which started my suspicions of him. Everyone now has major problems with bills being passed, before they are even fully written, yet, look at the number of Republicans who fully supported, and voted for the TARP bill, without knowing who was getting the money, how much, what it was for, how many and which banks it would help, and there was no secret that no one had a clue as to how many bad assets were mixed in with the good assets. The sad part of it is, we still don’t know how much money was given to whom, and no one is even pushing to find out. You are correct to give Preacher Pile credit for saying something correct, however, I’m not sure it wasn’t pandering. He knew the American people were opposed to bailing out, rather than letting those fail that deserved to fail. Bush pushing for TARP opened the door which Obama has now thrown wide open.

AceInTX

again…he’s a bit too goofy for my taste and in a perfect year…or even a good year…I wouldn’t have given him a second look for POTUS….but 2008 was a bad year for all of us…and I agree with you and BlackConservative that it’s time to move on from him…but I do have to admit a certain mystification at the visceral reaction many have toward him.

His record wasn’t perfect in Arkansas but it hardly justifies the knee jerk hatred I see from many here since his record as governor is at least as conservative as most in the country. I don’t know much about the charge about his “destroying” the Republican Party but it seems a bit over blown since we’re talking about Arkansas which up until he was elected was Clinton Central and was a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat party up till the day he took the oath of office.

I’m not saying any of this to defend him…I’m simply pointing to this knee jerk need to spit and spew at the very mention of his name and to hurl invective at anyone who gives him passing credit for being right just once in a while. And I’m not one to contend bigotry at the drop of a hat and am outraged when people throw that around willy nilly like Romney sickophants did last time around…but when the name Huckabee can’t be said by many without a sneering reference to his former incarnation as a pastor…I can’t help but wonder if there isn’t a bit of that to go with it.

As you say Scope…I agree more with you than nearly anyone here….but on this subject we disagree….not because I’m on Huckabee’s bandwagon…but noone to date has been able to convince me he’s the demon many have made him out to be and the visceral hatred with little to back it up comes off as a bit much to me.
AceInTX

to be an indictment…just a caution, because there are several RSers that I consider friends who come off very badly when Huckabee’s name is mentioned…he lost me when he made apologies for Wright just after the elections….so I have no love for him…
BlackConservative

I just despise the left side of the political spectrum, and while I am willing to cut Huckabee some slack if he has genuinely moved to the Right, much as I was willing to cut Romney the same slack, I find it rather disingenuous considering the fact that he knows he was getting slammed from the Right all throughout the campaign and moved Right accordingly. I wish Sanford hadn’t screwed up, because he was the ideal candidate I think, and I really wish Santorum hadn’t lost his election, because I would be all over him as a candidate-I’m actually reading his book now, which is phenomenal, and actually makes social conservative arguments in a way that really resonates with me-probably because we’re fellow Catholics :-0). (See Ace, I am socially conservative, I just don’t consider myself a SoCon And yes, I have seen the light on gay marriage if that makes you feel better-though I will point out to you that I have never shown myself to be anything other than pro-life on abortion) But as I said, let’s wait til 2011 to figure out a presidential candidate…for now let’s throw out the socialists, liberals and republicrats and replace them all with constitutionalist conservatives.
BlackConservative
AceInTX
AceInTX

I like him too.,..but he has done some things that have made me uncomfortable lately.

I agree with you on Huck…and Romney…they were both disingenuous in different areas…and you and scope aren’t the folks I’m talking about by and large…but there are those who would buy Romney’s conversion on social issues but wouldn’t buy Hucks…at all…and I am offended by the automatic jump to his being a preacher which many have done…if you oppose him because of his fiscal record…or his apologies for Jeremiah Wright or what ever…then say so and leave it at that…but why insult him and Christians who agree with him on salvation and social issues by bringing religion into it…it’s just as bad as attacking Romney’s Mormonism…Blackwell’s, Steele’s or Williams’ color …or Olympia Snowe’s gender. None oif it has any place in Politics let alone the party of Lincoln!

Oppose him on substance and leave the rest out is all I’m saying
AceInTX
Scope

I remembered reading this back when the primaries were going on. I just searched and found it again-

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/33391ddb-ed1f-4bc3-9d19-cdca6181d5d4

Not a good idea to just take one person’s word, but, there were so many other articles all saying pretty much the same. One thing you can’t hide from is your own past political record. And, that record will just come up again should he decide to run in 2012. I’ve just read that his current fundraising has been very enemic.

As to opposing Huckabee because he was a former preacher, I personally don’t want a Commander in Chief who rules from his religious beliefs. I do believe that Huckabee probably released criminals, supported the illegals, and grew the welfare type programs, because of his compassionate christian religious beliefs and preachings. My Commander in Chief needs to recognize and support all peaceful, law abiding religions. Sorry if I have offended you, I don’t mean to.
AceInTX

I can go along with the rest of the statement because you site specifics that apply to Huckabee:

I do believe that Huckabee probably released criminals, supported the illegals, and grew the welfare type programs, because of his compassionate christian religious beliefs and preachings.

Where I have a problem would be where you say:

As to opposing Huckabee because he was a former preacher, I personally don?t want a Commander in Chief who rules from his religious beliefs.

Because this part of your opposition has no basis except to say I won’t vote fore a devout Christian or a Preacher no matter what. That’s the kind of attitude I object to. Let me be clear here as well…I don’t think this is what you mean deep down…but this statement seems to say as much.

In that case you’d oppose George Washington and many of the Generals that have graced our history. If you’re opposed to someone simply because they are religious then it’s wrong. I can see opposing someone because of their particular religious beliefs such as a mid evil catholic that believed Anti-Papists should be burned at the stakes, or a modern Baptist who would ban Mormons from running for political office. or for the specific reasons you state…but the line is crossed when one goes off into an I’ll not vote for a Preacher because he’s a preacher.

I guess what I’m driving at is…I remember back in the eighties people telling me they wouldn’t vote for Falwell or Robertson because they believed Falwell and/or Robertson wouldn’t stand up to the Soviets because of their religious beliefs…many of my friends in the Military were under the assumption that because Jesus said to turn the other cheek that any Preacher would be pacifists in the face of soviet aggression…Truth be told…at the time…I still left of center in my beliefs and I thought Falwell and Robertson to be extremists when it came to confronting the Soviets….Anyway…it’s the assumption that a person will be a certain way on a specific issue because they are of a certain religion without having any basis to back up the assumption that is objectionable to me.

Again…Huckabee is besides the point on this subject for me since I have long since rejected him for the reasons you state…it is the underlying principle that I’m driving at.

and don’t worry about offending me…I’m not…again I only raise the subject as a caution
BlackConservative

As far as I’m concerned, if he’s actually running, I would be behind him 100 percent. I think that he might be better running for governor of PA however, especially considering the hot water that Fast Eddie seems to continue to get himself into with his mouth. We could use more strong conservative governors, and Santorum is young enough that he would be able to be President after serving as governor of a swing state as a true conservative. And I mean you know where I stand in terms of conservatism-I want a solid three tiered conservative…I would be open to someone who defines themselve as a SoCon as long as they are also conservative on the other two legs of the stool. I understand that social issues rally the masses far better than fiscal ones, and even defense ones when we are not at war. However, my concern is getting stuck with another Bush who is atrocious fiscally, weak in terms of defending the Global War on Terror, and calls himself a SoCon (though I would argue Bush did not deliver for the Christian Right, other than pander for them, as most of the SoCon gains were made by the people on a statewide level.) Right now I don’t really see that…I also am looking for someone to articulate a plan going forward for conservatism in a way that no one has done since Reagan. I think Santorum could be that guy based on being a two term conservative Senator and reading his book-as for the other guys, well, I’ll take a wait and see approach.
AceInTX

that made me do a double take…it wasn’t a deal breaker mind you…but I think it had something to do with a lot of the attitude of many in Republican Leadership Circles….which is understandable since he was in the leadership before losing…

I agree with you about Gov as well…but I’d give him very serious consideration were he to run for POTUS
Xasteius
AceInTX

but there was a period of time when he was making the rounds and he sounded like a typical DC pundit….but again….it wasn’t egregious enough to bug me out of being a huge fan

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