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Did John McCain Agree With The “ANONYMOUS” Attacks On Sarah Palin After The 08 Campaign? NOW WE KNOW!!

By: AceInTX (Diary)  |  November 18th, 2009 at 10:41 PM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

I thought I’d said everything I had to say about the pathetic McCain Campaign in 08

But….(There’s always a but isn’t there?)

But, Sarah is back and everything ugly from the end of that campaign is back with her.

I haven’t gotten my hands on her book yet, so all I can do is comment second hand on what is purported to be in it and from what I’ve heard, she’s been nothing but gracious toward John McCain the man and the candidate despite the fact that he refused to stand up for her and rebuke his staffers for leaking unflattering reports about her under the cover of anonymity.

Which, in the end, is what this is all about. After all the speculation about who was anonymously leaking to the press about what a Diva Sarah Palin is, and how she liked expensive cloths and all the other viscous innuendo.

After all the discussion and argument back and forth about whether McCain was behind it all. Whether he supported the attackers, whether he agreed with the leaks…or the leakers..after all our calls to show some loyalty to the person he launched into the national spotlight in a desperate bid to save a pathetic and sinking campaign…..after all our begging that he come to the defense of a lady that is still being a loyal soldier to him to this very day

WELL NOW WE KNOW!!!

All these attacks from the shadows went on over a period of weeks and to this day he’s never called for these back biting gutter snipes to come to heel. He’s always chosen to stay above it all…and play like he was happy with her contribution all the while letting his lackeys tear at Palin hammer and tong.

Yet, here we are. One single day after she finally get’s a chance to tell her side of the sordid story…Here’s the great war hero, this great icon of conscience and virtue jumping to the defense of Schmidt and Wallace.

McCain goes rogue

McCain on Wednesday strongly defended the top advisers from his 2008 presidential campaign in the face of sharp criticism from his vice presidential running mate, Sarah Palin.

McCain, in a telephone interview with Reuters, singled out campaign manager Steve Schmidt and senior adviser Nicolle Wallace for praise after Palin blasted the pair in her memoir, “Going Rogue: An American Life.”

“There’s been a lot of dust flying around in the last few days and I just wanted to mention that I have the highest regard for Steve Schmidt and Nicolle Wallace and the rest of the team … and I appreciated all the hard work and everything they did to help the campaign,” he said.

“I think it’s just time to move on,” he said.

It’s time to move on John?

Well…I guess it is…now that we know what a small and pathetic little man you really are!

Cross Posted to The Minority Report

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  • BlackConservative

    As usual McCain and his minions spent more time attacking Republicans than going after the real enemies-the Socialcrats!

    • AceInTX

      I’m so glad we don’t have to defend him any more…no more pretending he’s a great man….I didn’t think it was possible for him to sink lower in my estimation of him…but he’s actually reached a new low after this!

      andany candidate stupid enough to hire Schmidt and Wallace to work for them needs their head examined because they’ve proven by their slithering and slinking around to be disloyal and disgusting pigs worthy of all the contempt that can be heaped upon them.

      and the only lower form of life on this planet is the vermin that hired them!

      • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com LJ “Beaglescout” Miller

        They are the lepers for whom Operation Leper was named. Never forget!

        • antisocial

          In some ways I am glad McCain lost. He doesn’t have any dignity. What kind of a man doesn’t defend their own VP Pick? What kind of a man fails to confront rumors flying out of his operation? Well we know. John McCave.

    • AceInTX
      • BlackConservative

        McCoy gonna lead us to the promised land this year :-) ? Horns Hook Gators!

        • AceInTX
  • JadedByPolitics

    to the Conservative Wing of the GOP and ANYONE who hires them to work their campaign ought to be IGNORED and given not one DIME because if nothing else WE know they are LOSERS and my tent does NOT include PARIAHS like those idiots!

    OBTW when Sarah said last night that the “campaign” leaked her daughters pregnancy when she had worked how to talk about that along with the message for young girls that this is NOT glamorous! it appears Wallace and associated NUTS didn’t think through their dropping such information on the LEFTIST media who were ready to STRIKE at Palin any NEGATIVE way they could!

    • AceInTX

      what candidate could TRUST them? They’ve shown themselves to be disloyal and willing to sneakily leak trash on people they’ve been assigned to work for at the drop of a hat…not only that,,,they’ve proven themselves to be cowards by refusing to go on the record with their smarminess.

      Who can trust them? would you trust them to protect you in a tough campaign when the chips are down? Or to defend you when it’s over?

      Then there’s McCain! He’s proven he’s never been anything more than an opportunist. All the crap about his principles and his love for this country, the “Man of Honor” crap is nothing more than a puff of smoke. Now we know he didn’t select Sarah because he thought it was best for the country….now we know he held his nose when he selected her….now we know he holds her in utter contempt…and now we know he’s behind the trashing and ugly efforts to bring her down….He’s been exposed for what he’s always been.

      The jury is still out on whether I’ll be supporting Palin should she decide to run. Art has given me enough to make me stop and think long and hard about whether I’ll be beating the war drums for her…but no matter what you think of her…this display of contempt and dirty pool is illustrative of everything that is wrong with John McCain, Elite Republicans, and the snobbery that infects the NY/DC corridors of power!

      I’m so disgusted I could puke!

    • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

      any candidate that hires them for the 2012 run, I will vote against in the primary no matter what, unless his name is Jesus and he (or she) floats across the stage.

  • mschmitt

    What do you do when your campaign staff anonymously — repeatedly — trash your (vastly more popular than yourself) running mate at your request? Well, give an underwhelming endorsement of your running mate of course! Then, after you predictably lose the election, stick up vehemently for your campaign staff to make it look like said running mate was just being petty and gutter sniping.

    Disgusting, John.

  • bk

    Q: How do you feel about Sarah?
    A: I’m proud of Sarah.

    Q: How do you feel about Steve?
    A: I’m proud of Steve.

    Q: How do you feel about Nicole?
    A: I’m proud of Nicole.

    Q: How do you feel about Sarah’s claims that Steve and Nicole stabbed her in the back?
    A: It’s time to move on.

    • AceInTX

      he’s tried to play like he was never part of their gutter sniping…this lays that lie to rest in a way nothing else could….

      yeah he said “let’s move on”…but first he announced his loyalty to the back stabbers whom he never rebuked and never asked to stop attacking Sarah…

      • mschmitt

        … from about the moment Palin’s popularity exploded that McCain was going to have to try to destroy her. I have no doubt that picking her was little more than throwing a bone to the conservative base that (he believed) couldn’t overshadow him and couldn’t possibly represent any kind of intellectual competition.

        I think all of his toadies — but Schmidt, in particular — are somewhat lower than fly feces; but these leaks were still (without a doubt) McCain’s call. Sending her on setup interviews on hostile networks was McCain’s call (he probably helped Gibson and Couric write the questions).

        • Scope

          because McCain has always thought himself to be the titular (Rush’s expression) head of the republican party, he probably seethed with envy and jealousy that Palin became an almost overnight phenomenon, especially with her first speech. His poll numbers bumped up after she came on the scene, and how many have said they voted for Palin not McCain. She was the only thing that took his dull, lifeless, stagnant, disorganized, no message campaign and got some excitement from people. I bet more would not have held their noses and voted for him had she not been on the ticket. How many were going to his enemic rallies before Palin.

          After the loss, how many TV shows was he on when he was asked about future possibilities for 2012 and he almost always mentioned Pawlenty first, and then a few others, but, never Palin. As Ace has said he never stood up for Palin even when the attacks on her were false, in the gutter, plentiful and not only coming from the lefties, but, from his own demented elite buddies. Only now, after Palin’s book release did he find his voice, and, he comes out and defends Schmidt and Wallace. Palin has been gracious and complimentary to McCain even now. But, when she said that Gingritch is a part of the “political machine” she was indirectly taking a shoot at McCain also. McCain epitomizes everything that Palin has spoken out against with the Democrats and the Republicans. She has become the antithesis of what McCain has always been, and her start in NY 23rd was only the start. I’ve always known that when you are hiring an employee to assist you, you don’t hire somewhere who can replace you. Another stupid move by McCain, however, one that he was too dumb to see coming. Better to say nothing, and let people wonder how dumb you are, rather than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Hahahahahaha!

          • Scope

            the Presidency in 2012. McCain would have heart failure. Don’t know if she will run, or if I would support her over all others, but, it is fun to think about.

          • AceInTX

            I’m not on the Palin for Pres bandwagon yet…but the irony of her overshadowing the shallow and spite old fart is just too delicious a morsel not to drool over!

          • The_Gadfly

            regardless of the concerns Art raised in his pieces.

        • AceInTX

          and everything that’s been done since has been a hyperventilating attempt to stop Palin and the base from getting too big for their britches!

          • izoneguy

            Remember – that state that McCain abandonded during the election?

          • Scope

            Palin didn’t want him to quit Michigan, and offered to go there herself and try. She said somewhere that she promised the good people of Michigan that she would be back. That was why she did Michigan first. Fantastic move on Palins part.

            Did you hear on Beck that Norah O’Donnell PMSNBC was at the book signing there and asked a 13 year old why she was there. She showed O”Donnell her T-shirt that said something about the stimulus was $787 billion and all she got was the T shirt. Odonnell then said “Well, do you know Palin supported the bailout”, and read her a statement. As Beck said they are desperately trying to destroy Palin, and, out of 1,55 people they pick a 13 year old.

          • Scope

            n/t

          • AceInTX

            because she was accused of going rogue for insisting they fight for Michigan.

          • Scope

            I think that’s what it’s called. I can never get tired of seeing Fred’s face, nor hearing his wise words.

          • AceInTX
          • Scope

            I think that’s what it’s called. I can never get tired of seeing Fred’s face, nor hearing his wise words.

        • Vegas_Rick

          I noticed it in his face on many of their joint campaign appearances, where she would be much more enthusiastically welcomed than he was.

          I was surprised, even then, at what a small man he was.

  • penguin2

    he had a problem. I watched that interview, right after that Michigan decision, and she had me believing something could be done in Michigan. The people were hungry for the words and fire with which Sarah spoke. At first, McCain’s behavior baffled me, and I could not understand the campaign’s treatment of Sarah. In the end, IMO, it was essentially sabotage. The years ahead will probably reveal more.

    The pathetic truth about McCain? He was not the man we needed him to be, and he will never be man enough to admit it.

  • Scope

    Jeri Thompson co-founded Team Sarah. Jeri also put Fred onto the Hoffman race, and then Fred endorsed him. Palin then endorsed Hoffman. Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but, she couldn’t find a better advisor.

    • AceInTX

      I hadn’t heard anything about a Thompson Palin connection…but if the two, (or three counting Jeri) team up…I’d have to be an enthusiastic supporter right out of the gates….Fred’s great ideas combined with Sarah’s energetic and exciting delivery in he folksy way would be a devastating 1-2 punch

      • Scope

        and I’m not sure if we would ever know if there was any time soon. There are many of us that would vote for Fred today, yesterday and tomorrow, but, there are also those that still see him as lazy. There were many that got so mad at him for dropping out that they asked for their campaign contributions back. I think even if he is behind her, it would remain in the background. If she runs, I can see Jeri doing the TV circuit supporting her. Fred now can still remain friends with McCain, but, is not obligated to support his moderate choices. Heck everything Fred has said since the campaign has been far to the right of McCain, but seems to be right in the same position as Palin. If Palin ever says anything like “My stand on my principles doesn’t depend on where I am standing”, we will know. I don’t think that Jeri would throw herself into Team Sarah if she didn’t believe in her.

        • AceInTX
          • BlackConservative

            Same solid conservatism-minus the whole not giving a @#$% bordering on laziness. Fre is a great conservative, but not the conservative leader that we wanted. Sarah is-and she will fight the dogs to the death.

          • AceInTX
          • nessa
          • AceInTX
          • nessa

            I typed before I thought, few people would recognize that phrase. It’s common infantry slang. After chuckling over your comment about Sarah’s legs I was using that phrase to tell you to slow down and catch your breath, you seemed to be getting giddy and light headed. LOL.

            It’s kind of an Infantry cure all. When you’re humping across miles of God-forsaken nothingness with a 100 lb ruck on your back, normally in the pitch black night and probably miserable rain, it’s the only cure for what ails you. When a young soldier comes up to tell you he has blisters or his back hurts you say “Take a knee, face out and drink water.” The “You’re obviously delusional” portion of the statement is implied. ;)

          • AceInTX

            so it was lost on me…LOL

          • nessa

            to misplacing your TV remote control or not having omelets made to order in the mess hall. You know, some really sh*tty situation.

          • AceInTX

            so we did rough it some…but there is something to be said for sending your officers off to do the fighting and leaving the enlisted personnel deal with with the monotony of three hots and a cot

          • nessa

            …I like Palin, she’s done immeasurable good for the conservative interests. BUT, as I’ve said before she’s waaay too inexperienced, if she is the next great thing to hit the Republican Party she is in the same place Ronaldus Maximus was in 1964. A light in the darkness, granted, but not enough tempering. Yet. I do agree a Senate term would fix that wonderfully. I might even be able to agree with you if she has Fred on her team. He is the Crown Prince of conservative politicians.

            Damn, if we would have made Ronaldus Maximus the American Emperor, Fred could have inherited the crown…

          • BlackConservative

            Too much time in the Beltway tends to lead to phrases like, reaching across the aisle and bipartisanship, or even worse-Sunday morning talk shows. Sarah is a breath of fresh air-if Obama only needed 2 years as Senator, why can someone who has governed a state be any less qualified. I want the fighter and voice for conservatism. McCain had lots of time in the Senate-you know what I think about how qualified he is because of his “experience”.

          • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

            it would be great if she had more time as a governor or some other sort of position like in a cabinet. But that can’t happen with Dems in control and she quit as governor, so I think it might hurt her.

            Now you can counter with both Hilary and Obama’s nearly total lack of experience. But that is a non-argument, you know that Republicans are always held up to much higher standards
            than the evil party. But that is just the way it goes.

          • BlackConservative

            She served a term as governor-she wasn’t running for re election, and considering the fact that most pols spend the last year and a half of their term campaigning instead of governing, I am going to give her the benefit of the doubt as a one termer. Would time in the Senate help her? I doubt it, especially since it would be viewed as an attempt to springboard a 2012 campaign. She is saving Alaska and the taxpayers money and time and just campaigning on her own dime and time. She is a conservative, and one of us as we all know. Why pretend to hold other offices when you are running for another?

          • David123

            while he was being PAID to WORK as a SENATOR???

            If Sarah wants to campaign while she’s NOT drawing a government salary that’s a plus in my book.

          • AceInTX

            but most other politicians were they thinking about a 2012 run would either hold on as the Governor in Alaska…or would run for an office they really don’t want in a cynical and self serving step to advance themselves…

            besides…as far as her quitting goes…what purpose does staying and remaining as a giant pin cushion for all the barbs being thrown at her serve?

            I mean…if you’re having bags of burning dog poop thrown at you…why would anyone expect you to stand still and get hit by it? I mean…some of this critisizm of her quitting under all the frivolous ethics charges being thrown at me carry as much weight with me as some of those flapping their gums about how she is whining for simply setting the record straight after a solid years of Scmidt and Wallace spreading trash about her unchallenged and with the premature of McCain.

            In fact…if I’m going to criticize Palin about anything…it’s that she looks dumb because she continues to heap praise and thanks on McCain whom we can all now see is anything but a friend to her.Yet even in that, the arguement can be made that she is following the biblical principles of calling coals of fire down upon their heads by blessing them as they curse you!

          • sharonmcp

            I chuckle when they make remarks about her being, “just a governor from a hick state”.

            They seem to forget that Clinton was also, “just a governor from a hick state”, when he took up residence in the WH.

            Granted, Clinton served 12 years as governor of Arkansas, but between Palin’s service as a city council member, Mayor of Wasilla, Chairperson of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, co-director of “Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc,” and governor, she certainly has a helluva lot more “executive experience”, not to mention, “people experience”, than who’s sitting in the Oval Office now.

            That is when he finds time to sit in the oval office, between playing basketball, golfing, perpetual campaigning and jet-setting around the world in Air Force One.

          • AceInTX

            she’s making a pretty good case right now…she’s basically saying she did the right thing for Alaska because the only thing that was being done was spending her, and her staffs time and resources fending off frivolous attacks and such from an insane and rabid Democrat and RINO establishment in Alaska. She’s making the case that not only what she did best for Alaska, but that she has a vision for America and the best way she can advance that vision and that conservative agenda is out here in the lower 48 getting the right candidates elected in 2010.

            I’ll add…if she succeeds in getting a lot of conservatives elected in 2010…she’s going to have a lot of political capital to spend going into 2012

          • Achance

            You’re outta you effin’ mind! She practically destroyed our Party. She made our State a laughing stock. She built her political career on the dead bodies of better people than she who helped her. She’s tarred everybody who didn’t kiss her butt with the “corrupt old boys” tag. She was an incredibly lousy governor and Parnell is still stuck with the collection of holdovers, neophytes and malcontents she called an administration because she’lll attack him if he runs off any of her buddies.

            Stick to stuff you know something about and you don’t know a damned thing about Alaska politics and the only thing you know about Sarah Palin is her own press releases.

          • AceInTX

            I characterized what she’s saying….and I think it’s accurate.

            As for sticking to what I know something about…I think I am. I’m keeping an open mind about her and I’m willing to be persuaded to your point of view on her…in fact…you’ve brought me a long way toward your point of view…

            Yet here we are again…you’re here frothing at the mouth…attacking her with blanket statements and very little detail…after I’ve asked you time and time again to lay out your case so we can all learn from you…

            and of course…anyone who doesn’t have blood shooting out of their eyes and refuse to match the depth of your hatred for Palin are just mind numbed dumb asses who are just blinded by the stars in their eyes!

            make your case Art…but please spare me your silliness!

          • Achance

            “… off frivolous attacks and such from an insane and rabid Democrat and RINO establishment in Alaska. ” Am I supposed to not believe my lying eyes?

          • AceInTX

            but you have a point.

            Of course…that’s not to say there aren’t some Republicans in Alaska with a score to settle is it?

          • Achance

            that we had when nobody was paying her any attention and you could go a day and sometimes a week without hearing her name.

            As to your statement that I’ve never laid out my specific objections, it is simply untrue. i’ve written repeatedly about my differences with her over her alleged outing of Randy Ruedrich, her role in the “corruption” investigations, her relationship with the Democrats, her staff and policy postions based on being the “Un-Murkowski” rather than any issues of qualification or policy positions, her about face on an in-state gas line and betrayal of Gov. Hickel’s support, her “windfall profits” tax on the oil industry, and on, and on. So, I’m not going to do some “Executive Summary” for you.

            I’m enjoying the fact that she’s making people crazy on the National level rather than just here and I’d support her, or most anybody with an R, against Comrade Obama or any other Democrat, but that doesn’t mean I’ll ever like her or trust her. The only thing she can be trusted to do is take care of Sarah Palin and her clan no matter the cost to anyone else.

          • AceInTX

            so I’ll leave it there…and don’t take anything I’ve said personally because I have no problem with you in general nt

          • AceInTX

            So, I?m not going to do some ?Executive Summary? for you.

            but you should do a diary or two for all of us to reference…that’s what I’m asking for.

            Instead of calling anyone who’s a fan of being blind autmotons…give us your take on what we’re missing…As I’ve said before…I was a Bush Bot and I’m in no hurry to play the sucker again!

            I want to know all I can where she is concerned so I can suport her or not knowing all the ugly details…what I think we’re all getting tired of is the simplistic memes that she’s shallow…or she’s not nuanced…or she’s unsophisticated….or whatever….with nary a word to back up the memes…I’m not accusing you only of that…but it’s a problem because so many are doing it it’s hard to take anyone seriously when they don’t back it up with specifics

          • Achance

            I’ve talked about Palin in detail and substantively. Nobody here, and hardly any here were here back then had never heard of Sarah Palin when I wrote of the first Republican gubernatorial debate between her, John Binckley, and Gov. Murkowski. I said then that she talked in soundbites and she still does. I kept my mouth shut during the VP campaign because she was the Party’s choice. After it was over I wrote a diary entitled “Why I don’t like Sarah Palin” in which every sycophant on this board, people who only knew her from tightly scripted campaign appearances pronounced my every thing from a misogynist, to a frustrated job seeker, to a fired appointee and not one of them knew anything much about me and only her press releases about her. Go find that diary, it has a couple hundred replies before the mods shut it down. Anyway, I’m happy to never talk of that woman and I’d be happy to never hear her voice or name again. She’s just another narcisstic politician, she ain’t some new incarnation of Joan of Arc sent by God to lead the Republicans to victory. Sure, she can mouth conservative platitudes because they’re in the air in Wasilla; you can’t be elected without saying the catechism out there, so she learned the catechism. She doesn’t know any more than that memorized catechism, so she can’t answer the follow on question.

          • AceInTX

            ditto the stuff in 06 because I’d never been here.

            Please understand…I’m sincere in my pleadings with you on this though you’ve accused me of playing a game. I want to know everything I can know….you say she destroyed the Republican Party…I want to know how…you say she screwed ov er good people…who and how?….

            every once in a while I’ve seen you crack the door a little like you just did here…and I get a glimpse….All I’ve asked in all honesty is for a good look…

            I’ll look your post up to…I also think if you were to post your stuff again you’d have a more receptive audience than there were just after the election when passions were running high. I for one clung to Palin like a life preserver because she was the only beam of sunshine in a very dark election cycle after we got stuck with McCain!

          • hbgconservative

            She hasn?t ?memorized? anything, lol. That would be like saying Reagan only memorized what Barry Goldwater said. No one has said she is some ?reincarnation of Joan of Arc? or anything like that. It?s nonsense. There?s no reason to insult the good people of Wasilla either, just because they don?t share your opinion. You see, that?s what she truly believes, that?s what actual conservatives believe. That?s why the vast majority of us like her. A lot of us have just been looking for someone who holds those same Reagan-like views. We do have some great leaders in Congress like Jim DeMint, To Coburn, Michele Bachmann, Steve King, Mike Pence and Paul Broun, to name a few. But right now she, for the most part, is the one leading the charge. With some of these attacks of yours, you?re no better than the libs.

          • Achance

            She’ll have whatever view will make her more powerful or which will make her money and fools like you will just lap it up.

          • hbgconservative

            Being a conservative and recognizing solid conservatism makes me a fool. I know because I’m aware of what honest solid conservatism is. You, being a Murkowski hack, obviously don’t recognise honest conservatism. Thanks for revealing your true colors.

          • hbgconservative

            I’ve also done more research on people, including Alaska politics than you’ll ever know

          • Achance
          • hbgconservative

            You’re only make the love for her grow, lol.

          • hbgconservative

            No one on here said you had to like Sarah Palin. But if you lash out about her and give untrue and senseless attacks, you should and will be responded to. Randy Reudrich was (and still is) a very corrupt man. Sarah Palin cares about more than just herself….she cares about her family and her country, which is why she’s as outspoken as she is. It’s great that she is the un-Murkowski, as he was a corrupt man and a big tax hiker (something you claim Palin did). Just like all the other officials you keep re-electing (i.e. Don Young and Ted Stevens until last year.). You’ve been a defender on here before for Lisa Murkowski, so you do look like you have a score to settle. Your hatred hasn’t and never will get you anywhere; it just makes her look better. In other words keep doing it.

          • hbgconservative

            These responses are to achance, not you. They got posted in the wrong spot.

          • mbecker908
          • Achance
          • mbecker908
          • Achance

            other than Sarah Palin’s self-aggrandizing statements? None, right? Because you don’t know a damned thing about Alaska politics except what you learned while your leg was tingling from listening to Sarah Palin.

          • AceInTX

            new meds?

            just kidding…

          • nessa

            I’m not sure but I am willing to wait and see. I’ve always thought the political atmosphere in DC was rife for a bottom line up front, tell it like it is kind of Leader. Hopefully she can pick up what she is lacking from Fred and polish things just a tad. She might be the real deal, I’m just not convinced yet.

          • janis

            and Jeri’s the smoke! Unbeatable team.

          • AceInTX

            and I don’t agree she’s too inexperienced.

            This is the thing…all in all…experience doesn’t mean spit in leadership IMHO beyond being taught you don’t know it all. Reagan was always called a clown and made fun of because he delegated so much…but to me…the only knowledge to be gained from experience is that you don’t know everything…and you can’t do it all.

            Great leaders communicate a vision that they want to see carried out, they identify the best people to carry out each aspect of that vision, and they make sure no one loses site fo that vision throughout, That’s what MADE Reagan great…and why Clinton was so pathetic…because Clinton was a micro manager…Reagan put the right people in place and let people do their jobs….that enabled him to do far more in his first four years than most Presidents accomplish in eight. His second term wasn’t nearly as successful because of Jim Baker and some of the other Bush RINOs who came in and took over…

            anyway….if Sarah has the right vision, and the sense to appoint good people to carry out that vision, she has all the experience she needs because she has what none else has…and that’s the ability to connect with the folks that no one else does today.

            If she were to run for Senate…it would be the end of what she now is because she’d be forced to make votes that contradict who and what she is…people don’t elect Senators for POTUS if they have a choice…we didn’t have a choice this year!

            BTW…if you haven’t seen her interview with Hannity…you need to check it out…she came across on his foreign policy questioning looking very well IMHO

          • aesthete

            Whatever you think of the merits of Palin as Pres. (disclaimer: after reviewing her record, I’m not too keen on the idea, myself), FDT was introspective, thoughtful, and put emphasis in his campaign on the intellectual roots of conservatism and the pragmatic implementation of said ideas. Palin, OTOH, is a self-described “gut conservative”, speaks mostly in well-worn political cliches (even if those clich?s do line up with what we’d like our pols to say), and has very few, if any, real policy prescriptions for the many problems facing our nation.

            A great example of this is border security: FDT, despite not having been a border state or a pol with a particular affinity for the border, had an excellent and comprehensive plan for this issue, including how to deal with sanctuary cities, how to seal up the border, and how to streamline the legal immigration process. Sarah Palin, OTOH, has said only that we should “listen to the border state governors” (not a direct quote), something that, as a border state resident, has me scratching my head, given that the only advances that we’ve had in border security in our states have come as the result of ballot initiatives that our Gov.s have fought tooth and nail against. That’s just one of many issues where FDT had it together, and Sarah Palin seems to be content with demagoguing.

            All of that is fine in Sarah’s case, because in her current role as the conservative celebrity du jour, she doesn’t need to have such incredible depth of knowledge and wonkish policy ideas. In fact, such knowledge is often just a hindrance, because what she does best is simplify issues to their base elements and point out obvious flaws that have already slipped the minds of our more erudite policymakers (her now-famous comment on “death panels” being a prime example).

          • BlackConservative

            Listening to the border state governors is a good idea. People that have had to deal with this problem might have a better idea on how to directly address this problem rather than making up something out of the blue. You would look at who has been most effective at a problem and possibly look at expanding that. Now you can go ahead and lay out a plan all you want, but you would certainly look at what has been effective before implementing your own grand scheme regarding the borders. Now in terms of her style, it is a bit of aw shucks folksy, but after the human teleprompter, a bit of you betcha might be what the American people want. I’m not saying she is the intellectual heavyweight Fred is, but I’m arguing she doesnt need to be.

          • aesthete

            The reason that it’s such a head-scratcher is that none, I repeat, NONE of the border governors that we have right now is conservative on border security at all, and can, in fact, be categorized as pro-amnesty for the most part. To go a bit more in depth:

            Bill Richardson (D-NM): As a pro-amnesty Dem, he’s not any good on illegal immigration, but he’s more or less in the mainstream as far as that state goes.

            Rick Perry (R-TX): Easily the best of the border state governors, he’s been all over the place on this issue, and there really isn’t anything positive that I can think of that he’s done for his state on this issue. (I could be wrong, though, and any Texans who want to prove me wrong are welcome to do so; I’d like to find out that at least one of our Govs isn’t terrible.)

            Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-CA): A moment of silence is in order, here :)

            Jan Brewer (R-AZ): Don’t know what her position is. She’s an interim governor who became so after Janet Napolitano (who was pro-amnesty) was tapped by Obama to become Sec. of Homeland Security. I have no idea what Brewer’s thoughts on border security are, but she doesn’t seem to care too much about it, and given her awful management of the AZ government’s budget crisis, I’m kind of glad that she hasn’t tried to tackle the issue of illegal immigration.

            Earlier governors (Grey Davis (D-CA) and GWB) have been equally disappointing on this front. So again it has to be asked, which border governors in specific is Ms. Palin referencing? I don’t see a problem with her vagueness on policy if she remains a political celebrity (which I believe she will). OTOH, all of those who push her for President should take this sort of thing very seriously.

            As to her style, that’s actually one of her greatest assets, IMO, and one of the things I like most about her, as her combativeness helps her to score points that our mostly spineless “leaders” are unwilling to score. It will definitely help us in 2010 :D

          • Scope

            especially now that we’ve gotten Napolitano out of her border Governorship.

          • Scope

            especially now that we’ve gotten Napolitano out of her border Governorship.

          • AceInTX

            Just because she doesn’t put things in a way Fred would…or go on and on like some ivy league intellectual would doesn’t mean she has no depth. In fact…I believe she has depth and the fact that she is able to boil things down to their most basic elements and communicate them to mom and pop voters is what made Reagan Reagan…and gives her the ability to be his equal…

            What matters is her core…what is her foundation?

            It’s the foundational principles that she adheres to that matters… it

            What I think is missing today in so much of the arguement about principle and ideology which has become bad words and they’re even used as epithets is that without a guiding ideology…or principles…there is no consistancy and there is too much confusion.

            If I have a guiding ideology…or guiding principles, I don’t need to know every minute detail for the current health care debate…I only need to know how it affects those guiding principles…For instance…I’ve written a couple well received diaries about my objection to the individual mandate in Massachusetts…and now it’s being considered on a national basis…

            now…the question is…is the arguement about an individual mandate about how it’s administered? Is it about who can administer an individual mandate better? Should the argument be about how much an individual mandate cost? Should it be about ho much an individual mandate would save? Should it be about whether any of what is being discussed good or bad for the country? or me?

            yet for me…and anyone with an ideological core…and live by principle…all of those questions are back ground noise and ignores the central issue in all this!

            The key question in it is…SHOULD THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BE POWERFUL ENOUGH TO TELL AN INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN HOW HE MUST SPEND HIS OWN HARD EARNED MONEY?

            I mean…what are we doing? Can’t anyone see where this camel’s nose in the tent going to lead? but we’ve given up on ideology….that’s a dirty word now…we’ve given up on principle…in fact…those who have principles are like cave men who club their women over the head and drag them to their caves!

            So…what am I saying after all that? Sarah’s comment about being a “Gut Conservative” is exactly what I’m talking about here. I don’t need to be able to quote Burke, or Adams, or Jefferson to know what we’re talking about here…I know it’s wrong from my gut. It’s instinctive….because the idea violates a principle about individual liberty…I don’t need to know all the minutia or consult a poll to know what I think about it…and I can apply my ideology to any issue whether I’ve ever heard about the issue in the past or not because I can judge it’s rightness or wrongness based on my principles and how it affects those principles.

          • Scope

            I couldn’t agree with you more that what principles guide a person in how they make decisions is key. I also could care less about the fact that Palin is plain spoken, she connects with everyone that way, and, she isn’t talking down to people. The more and more interviews I see her do, the more authentic I think she is. She has not been all over the map with her answers.

            You are so right that we shouldn’t be talking about any government mandates. I’m sure when you go to Washington in any elected capacity, you find that what you wanted to accomplish may be very difficult because you have so many people and layers to get through. I can see Palin pushing and shoving to get through all those layers, and not stopping until she does, or dies trying.

  • texmonty

    It wasn’t Sarah; she uplifted drooping spirits in a way not seen since Dole nominated Jack Kemp. Then Dole spent most of his time running against Kemp instead of Clinton. McLame followed the Omamba role of letting underlings do his dirty work while striving to remain above the fray. Now we know Schmidt and Wallace were his mouthpieces as Axelrod, Holder and Dunn carry the sword and buckler for Omamba.

    I knew I would never listen to or support McLame again after he conceded the election within 5 minutes of the West Coast polls closing and an hour before his own running mate’s polls closed. So far, aside from making speeches about the military and Afghanistan, McLame hasn’t done anything worth re-election, let alone spending any more of my time trying to justify him. I supported Palin; he was just along to drag on the ticket.

    Palin in 2012…

  • AceInTX

    or better yet….if you were guaranteed you would win no matter who you selected as a running mate, would you have selected Sarah Palin and would she have even been on your short list?

    • Scope

      because he is a gutless spineless piece of crap.

    • Scope

      because he is a gutless spineless piece of crap.

  • nessa

    Palin/Fred, Cheny/Fred, Jeri/Fred, Fred/Jerry, Hell, even Fred/Gumby, Fred/and my neighbor down the street. If I can’t have Fred ON the ticket I’ll settle for Fred behind the scenes.

    • Scope

      I don’t believe that Fred will run again, and, Fred doesn’t want the VP slot as he thinks their only job is to attend funerals in far away places. Can you only immagine him as an architect of a conservative administration? That would blow my mind as I know that the future would be bright.

      • nessa

        I’ve come to terms with the fact that Fred won’t run again but I like your idea! I think his slow, methodical, well planned style would be a great asset for any conservative administration.

    • AceInTX

      I don’t know where I got that impression…but I got it from somewhere…

      LOL

      • nessa
  • tazzmax

    is a backstabbing RINO and I wouldn’t put anything past him.

  • Scope

    Hannity very seriously said that they would never have done anything like that to Hillary Clinton.

    What kind of image comes to mind with Hillary in short running shorts?

    Maybe like 2 pigs fighting? Maybe a unithigh?

    YIKES!

    • aesthete

      Is there any way that mental image could get more vomit-inducing? Why yes, perhaps by having Se?or Clinton in the photoshoot :)

  • Scope

    Hannity very seriously said that they would never have done anything like that to Hillary Clinton.

    What kind of image comes to mind with Hillary in short running shorts?

    Maybe like 2 pigs fighting? Maybe a unithigh?

    YIKES!

    • eburke

      may have scarred both my appetite and my sex drive for quite possibly the rest of my life.

      A little warning next time?

    • AceInTX

      Hillary in running shorts are with me forever now that you put that image in my head….cruse you!

  • mbecker908

    You give him far, far too much credit.

    • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
      • mbecker908

        I’ve been there for at least ten years. But then I’ve had the displeasure of a lot more contact than you.

      • aesthete
  • pirate55

    …..and you’re not. We supported you for President in 2008 because in ALL GOOD CONSCIENCE we COULD NOT SUPPORT YOUR OPPONENT. That being said, I really don’t care if you have respect for Mr. SCHMIDT and Ms.WALLACE and feel a compelling need to defend them. If they are still with your campaign for re-election in Arizona it was quite bold to send me a request for contributions from me, a Florida resident. Maybe you got my name from my 2008 contributions or from the RPOF, but Senator, we have our own problems here which include how the RPOF is being run and Governor Crist. If you are so ready to MOVE ON, then DO SO.

  • scarlos

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/election_2010_arizona_senate_gop_primary

    Though if we do unseat him like that, I’m willing to bet he’ll follow Specter and defect rather than give up his seat. He almost did with Jeffords after all

    • mschmitt

      And it would be totally worth it to hear the “party left me” garbage (does that song and dance ever get old??) while he and Arlen lose together as Democrats.

    • AceInTX

      Isn’t it funny how all of us who are beaten about the head for a lack of party loyalty are still here fighting while their favored candidates one by one are either leaving the party to become Democrats…or dropping out of races and endorsing Democrats for election?