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My Email pleading with JD Hayworth to take up the McCain Challenge

By: AceInTX (Diary) | November 21st, 2009 at 10:48 AM |

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After the indignity foisted upon all conservatives in 2008 by an out of touch party, I find the new polls showing JD Hayworth withing striking distance of John McCain without even announcing let alone running a single add to be the ultimate opportunity to send an unmistakable message.

I sent the letter below to JD begging him to run and ask those who agree with me to do the same at jdhayworth@clearchannel.com

That snorting you hear are the oxen straining at the yoke hoping to see McCain in a fight for his life. After the indignity we all faced at having the choice between Obama or McCain foisted upon us by an out of tough Republican Party, conservatives across this country are kicking against the pricks dreaming of a serious challenger to run against McCain!

If you run, you’ll have money coming in from every state in the union….Please JD…You’re close without ever having announced….take on this challenge for your country, for the 9/12ers, for the tea partiers, for conservatives, and finally for disaffected and disillusioned Republicans from across this great land who are dying to see the message a McCain primary defeat would send!

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SteveLA

So Ace,

How much time have you actually spent in AZ? Do you actually know what people in AZ actually care about? What are the local issues that local people living in AZ are going to vote for a Senator to represent their views based on? If you believe in the old axiom that all politics is local, surely you’re well versed in what the people in AZ care about…right?

mbecker and azprof live there, and I don’t see them falling all over themselves to support JD, and as a matter of fact the paper of record, the AZ Republic has a pretty dim view of JD. Of course mbecker has a dim view of McCain, so there is that.

I don’t know a lot about the state and what people think by the way, I have some in-laws over there, and a buddy that retired and moved to Prescott, so I don’t make any claims to being all that knowledgeable about state politics ether.

Is your endorsement based on real knowledge of AZ and what drives the electorate there or more of the Holiday Inn Express type of expertise we have come to expect of you?

BlackConservative

Last time I checked, “Maverick” was not a very popular figure around these parts, and the fact that Rasmussen has Hayworth within 2 percentage points in the primary would generally mean something. You can be snarky all you want, but the fact is, the conservative wing is not going to lie down and be kicked by the moderates in the party, and no one is a bigger conservative kicker than McCain. If we have a chance to NY23 him, we will. A GOP loss in AZ would be better than McCain roaming the Senate, stabbing conservatives in the back for his next Sunday talk show with his media “friends”.

Achance

be told to knock off the media and Democrat pandering, and threatened with losing power and position. That is a far more effective way to deal with somebody like him than ineffectively primarying him or, worse, effectively primarying him and losing the seat to a Democrat.

What all you “purists” don’t seem to get, since far as I know none of you have ever carried a chit sheet, is that ANY Republican is better than ANY Democrat and you deal with bad behavior inside the caucus. Unfortunately, after half a century in the wilderness, Republicans neither knew how to govern on the basis of a platform and program to effect that platform nor how to maintain any semblance of caucus discipline.

The rebuilding needs to be done at the Party infrastructure level so that candidates and legislators need the Party more than the Party needs them. Look at the new Democrats; the Party owns them and can make them vote with the caucus even if it is going to cost them their political lives back home. God only knows what kind of threats and promises were made to Lincoln; an appointment if she loses, an ambassadorship? You have to know how to reward friends and punish enemies. Right now the Republican Party hasn’t even mastered telling them apart!

penguin2

Lord knows I wish you were somewhere inside the upper echelons of power in the GOP, and telling them how it ought to be and will be. Your description about the two different parties….sickeningly true.

Achance

Only Democrats hate me more than many of my fellow Republicans. Actually, many of the Democrats and I have a grudging respect for each other. Many of the Rs simply run from me because I am confrontational and cause controversy; the two greatest sins for most Republican officeholders.
SteveLA

Art

We all know you’re actually a SNAG…Sensitive New Age Guy…It’s all an act.

Or something like that.

AceInTX

You have to know how to reward friends and punish enemies. Right now the Republican Party hasn?t even mastered telling them apart!

The party isn’t doing it which leaves it to us doesn’t it?

you’ve got all the answer’s Art…you tell me….if the party refuses to bring McCain to heel…what are we all supposed to do…just go along and hope some day the come to their senses?

I’ve waited 20 years…and this country won’t survive another twenty for us to wait….I’m open to any suggestions Art…but all you’ll give me is another snarky response calling me a canned name like “purist” so forgive me if I don’t wait for your reply and continue to encourage JD

Achance

We don’t have any votes to spare and I’ll take anybody who’ll vote with me some of the time over somebody who’ll never vote with me. The only thing you can get any enthusiam for on this board anymore is some purge and hagiographies of a former candidate who made her career by taking out other Republicans. With friends like you guys, Republicans don’t need many enemies – and we have a lot.

Go to work in the Party and build a Party infrastructure that makes candidates and officeholders need the Party more than the Party needs them. Then you can have a leadership and state organization that can discipline an ass like McCain – or Palin – if they go rogue on platform postions and caucus priorities.
AceInTX

but you talk out of both sides of your mouth…because on the one hand you talk about how the party needs to take some of these guys to the wood shed…but then when someone grabs em by the scruff of the neck and drags em towards the woodshed we get called purists and beaten about the head for not playing like good little boys and girls.

I’ve asked you this before…and I’ll ask it again…you say we’re not going to get them to go along untill we make them need us…but how do you make them need us if we make ourselves available with no no conditions?

the old adage…”why buy the cow when you can get your milk for free,” comes to mind here…because we sell out our principles and allow the same clowns to have their way with us without a protest…and nothing ever changes because they get our votes and our money and never have to do anything to earn what we give em!
Achance

Learn something about how government works. Hint: yelling loudly isn’t really very effective.
AceInTX

aesthete

Here are the basics:

1: McCain is to AZ as the Kennedys are to MT — an entrenched political force. This makes him both annoying and almost impossible to remove.

2: JD is a pompous blowhard and a jerk, and in not very well-liked. That said, he’d be far better than McCain, and would be easier to primary next time around.

3: It’s doubtful that JD would win the nomination, barring a dead girl/live boy incident for McCain. McCain has a massive war chest, name recognition, the media, and could easily flood the media markets with ads.

4: McCain will probably stay in office until he croaks. Even then, I wouldn’t be surprised if “McCain’s corpse” turned up as the R Senate candidate.

5: The long-term solution is as Coldwarrior says: take over the party from the inside.

mbecker908

And yes to everything Achance said.

The issue, from my perspective, is not so much to defeat John McCain – although I’d give about anything to see that happen – it’s to keep his fricking daughter from succeeding him.

aesthete

Almost makes Sen. John McCain sound good.
bs

just for mentioning that.

:shudder:
SteveLA

SteveLA

aesthete

Thank you for a concise and realistic overview of Arizona, very well done.

One other question, if I retire to Arizona from CA, am I required to remove my CA licenses plates as I cross over from Blythe? LOL
AceInTX

maybe mbecker is right and that’s his high water mark but what if it’s not…

as for the name recognition and other stuff…has anyone stopped to consider the possibility that name recognition could possibly be a negative for him because by now everyone knows what an ass clown McCain is?

aesthete

and I don’t live in Phoenix, so it may be different up there, but in Tucson, McCain’s persona is a feature, not a bug — and that’s for those who care enough to do a cursory examination of him, rather than just voting R blindly.
mbecker908

Here’s the problems…

1. McCain has $6MM right now. Hayworth has a debt.
2. McCain can raise all the money he needs. Literally. All.
3. Hayworth will be lucky to pay off his legal bills from last time out.
4. Arizona is NOT a Red State.
4a – Tucson is just a tad to the right of Berkeley.
4b – We have a huge number of Indys who likely weren’t questioned by Ras because they can’t vote in a primary in AZ.
4c – If JD announces the McCain campaign will work like hell to get Indys to re-register and they’ll be successful. And they WILL vote.
5 – McCain is a worthless clown but Hayworth is perceived as a whining jerk. Clown beats jerk every time, especially when faced with the thought of listening to him on every other newscast for the next six years.
6 – Fred will NOT endorse JD.
7 – I would guess Sarah would, at best, sit on her hands. At worst she endorses JD. It won’t get him one extra vote and will mobilize the left.
8 – There will be no D running in the general and the national D party won’t have any $$ to spare to fund a hopeless run against McCain. He can spend $10 or $15MM in the primary. JD will be lucky to pay his legal bills and raise a couple of mil.

JD is a big time, major league jerk. It cost him a “sure seat” in 08 and the Indys and the Tucson left have NO use for him at all.

AceInTX

How much time have you actually spent in AZ? Do you actually know what people in AZ actually care about? What are the local issues that local people living in AZ are going to vote for a Senator to represent their views based on? If you believe in the old axiom that all politics is local, surely you?re well versed in what the people in AZ care about?right?

I don’t believe in the “all politics is local when it comes to a US Senator and all the questions you ask here are all quite besides the point. McCain is a special case ion that he’s actively invloved in recruiting liberal candidates and active in the RMSP which I can prove takes funds from SEIU, Acorn, Move on and George Soros.

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/politics/john-mccain-s-mission-a-gop-makeover-1.1494764

McCain has a different vision for the party than the rest of us…and a poisonous vision I believe. JD is within striking distance without ever announcing his candidacy or running a single ad….My appeal to him is to give us a chance to send a message!

As for mbecker, I’ll let him speak for himsself…but in a thread just this morning he says he doubts JD could beat McCain but that he’d vote for him over McCain if he were given a choice

AceInTX

I don’t follow that logic because that assumes a Senator’s vote in AZ doesn’t affect me in Texas…but it does….and the case get’s even weeker when you read the lionk I gave you and look at all the liberal candidates McCain is lifting up with his money bags contributors….

He’s poison for this party…and he’s poisoned the well going forward with his behavior after losing the last election…if JD runs…he’ll have support…

aesthete

vis a vis involvement in national races. The second that a Senator in AR can affect my life with his or her vote, the race stops being a local affair. That said, you’re throwing your money and time away by supporting JD, since there’s virtually no way that he’ll win. I live in Tucson, the second-largest city in AZ, and John McCain has it in the bag. Phoenix is also in the bag for him, and without at least one of those two cities breaking decisively for JD, there’s no way that he’d win anything. Add to that the fact that he’s a whiny, puerile jerk, and you’ve got yourself a surefire strategy for fail. I’m gonna support him if he runs because I live her, but as an out-of-stater, you’d be better off sponsoring more viable out-of-state challengers.

AceInTX

everyone is saying…I’d vote for him if over McCain but he doesn’t have a chance so he shouldn’t run.

never mind he’s within 2 points right now…

but don’t even try…that’s what they’re counting on…
mbecker908

Marco and Toomey both have realistic shots at winning and winning in a pretty stunning fashion. They need money.

If JD runs against McCain it will be a signature race. He get creamed and he will also have no shot at winning the next time around either (vis Toomey). He will also bleed off money that needs to go where we CAN win.

Here’s my plea. If JD announces, don’t send any money. Let him get some face time and hit McCain on the issues. He should be able to get a bunch of “free” media because he’s well known and a bomb thrower. If he doesn’t drop like a rock and McCain doesn’t start courting Indys, send some money.
AceInTX

just seeing McCain have to defend himself for a day or two would give me a perverse pleasure…

bottom line is this though…nothing ventured nothing gained…There is no way for me to know this for sure…and it may be just so much hot air but what I see coming after all that’s happening…after we’ve shut down and crashed the phones in the Senate only to have them thumb their nose at us and pass a cloture vote anyway, we’re looking at the most anti incumbent year in the history of this country…people are getting mad….and I mean white hot mad…and the Dems just keep turning up the heat…if there is ever a time to take out our bad actors…those like McCain who have enabled the Democrats for decades…it’s going to be 2010… if the anti incumbent fever is as high as I think it’s going to be I don’t see the money being an obstacle. I don’t know the demographics in AZ you know that better than I do…so maybe there isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell of beating McCain…but one thing is for sure…if he’s never challenged…we’ll never know will we?
mbecker908

“nothing ventured nothing gained” idea, but right now I’m more concerned about “venturing on a wet dream” and not having the resources available for races where we CAN make a big difference and win.

Frankly, if McCain would commit to giving up $5MM of his campaign fund and raising another $5MM for other candidates I’d be happy as clam with him this time out. $1MM is more than enough to win the general.
AceInTX

but they aren’t the kind of candidates you or I agree with!

Scope

I expect of you. No meat, no bones, no links, no facts just your LA kinda feelings and opinions.

mbecker908

Scope

been reading the comments on this entire string, and, I am sure you and those of you from ZA are a heck of alot more knowledgable about your state than those of us from outside the state. My gripe with SteveLa is him calling Ace’s comments the kind of Holiday Inn Express kind of comments “we’ve come to expect of you.” I admire anyone from any state that is willing to fight a good fight against anyone we all have come to know and loath so well. As Ace has said, we all here have come out to support the Toomey’s, the Rubio’s and the Hoffmans. Why would Redstate ask for money, phone calls and the like from members from all states if it made no difference for a candidate from a particular state even if you can’t vote for them. I know nothing about Hayworth, but, I know alot about how I feel about McCain. Didn’t you yourself say above that you would work for, donate to and support Hayworth? Haven’t you said that you have never voted for McCain on a state level? McCain has not only affected AZ with his Liberalness as you well know. I actually wish someone, who can beat the old ass still comes on the scene that can retire the destroyer of the Republican party. Short of that, if I lived in AZ, I would vote for Pee Wee Herman if he ran against McCain.

mbecker908

As far as working for etc Hayworth, I would work for Lucifer J. Satan if he ran against McCain in the primary. Do NOT read anything into that.

Hell, if JD doesn’t run I’ll probably work for Simcox and he’s a much bigger idiot that either JD or McCain. I’ll do it because I live here. I will also tell every non-Arizona resident Redstater to send whatever money they are planning on donating to a campaign that has a snowball’s chance in hell of winning.

People keep coming back to Rubio, Toomey and Hoffman. They ALL – plus the recent victorious governors – have or had a real chance to win. JD, Simcox and whatshisname have no chance at all.
aesthete

Rubio and Toomey could particularly use some help.

Scope

I expect of you. No meat, no bones, no links, no facts just your LA kinda feelings and opinions.

http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

Proceeds from the event go to Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas, a great conservative, and “America’s Toughest” Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

I scraped together enough dough so I and the Mrs. will be in the one-step-above-the-unwashed-masses “VIP” seats where we might actually have a photo taken with J.D. Hayworth, Andy Thomas and Sheriff Joe. If we get that opportunity, I will try to mention to J.D. that he’d have a lot of support from Redstaters if he were to announce his candidacy to take on “the Maverick.”

Thank you.
ColdWarrior
scarlos

Is this more Pro-Hayworth or Anti-McCain?

I mean, if this is more anti-McCain (as I suspect), than rather than trying to draft Hayworth, it might be better to size up other potential primary challengers, preferably ones that would have a better chance of winning.

mbecker908

There are two people who’ve currently “declared” as challengers. Chris Simcox who is a wacko and won’t get 15% of the vote and somebody else who I don’t even have any interest in looking up who’s totally unknown and has no personal money and probably can’t raise enough to cover the filing fee.

This – assuming you’re taking about the Ras survey is neither pro-Hayworth or anti-McCain. It’s just stupid. Too far out and no real issues to discuss. And, Hayworth hasn’t started talking yet. As soon as he does he’ll sink like a rock.
AceInTX

since 2004.

It’s time to shw John McCain that his vision for this party won’t hold for the rest of us, and if you didn’t know what McCain is doing for/to us…

John McCain’s mission: A GOP makeover

mbecker908

JD won’t “scare the pants off McCain”.

Wanna show McCain something? Find and support conservatives who can win. Marco. Toomey.

JD won’t get within 10 points of McCain. Actually, he probably won’t get within 15. And pretty much everybody in AZ knows it, for all the reasons I’ve been pointing to all day.

http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

Here’s what J.D. has to say:

>>>

Subject: A message from J.D. Hayworth

Fellow Citizen:

You have contacted me with words of encouragement following the release of a Rasmussen Reports Poll which finds me in a statistical dead heat with John McCain for the Republican nomination for the United States Senate in 2010.

Miss Mary, our children, and I will do a lot of praying and a lot of talking in the days ahead, as we determine the best course of action to take for our nation and for our family.

You have also asked what you can do in the days ahead.

There is something you can do right now?you will find attached an invitation to an event scheduled for Dec. 5, featuring Joe Arpaio, ?America?s Toughest Sheriff.? ?Sheriff Joe? has very graciously agreed to raise funds for the ?Freedom In Truth Trust.? The FIT Trust is the fund that was established to help us satisfy legal debts incurred during the 2006 campaign. You can read more about it at http://www.jdhayworth.com/fit-trust.html

You may not live in Arizona?but no matter where you call home, would you respond to the attached invitation and please send a contribution to the FIT Trust?

That would certainly be a factor in the decision we will make at the ?Hayworth Hacienda!?

Please feel free to share this e-mail and the attached invitation with others.

In closing, let me stress again that I have made no formal decision regarding a campaign for the U.S. Senate, but if your kind words are followed by tangible support of the upcoming event on Dec.5, that would serve as another encouraging sign?even eclipsing the recent poll results!

Thank you for your support, and may God bless you and yours.

Sincerely,

J.D. Hayworth

Member of Congress, 1995-2007

<<<

Thank you.
ColdWarrior
Republican Party precinct committeeman,
mbecker908

a $6MM war chest and can raise unlimited amounts of money (for all intents and purposes) and Hayworth is in the hole.

aesthete

as well, at least it is in Tucson.

mbecker908

and about 80/20 in Tucson. No place else will matter.

Frankly, if JD wants to run for something he should run against Mitchell.

aesthete

Has anyone announced for Gov? I’m pretty sure (or at least, I’m hopeful) that Brewer is just an interim Gov, but I haven’t heard from any others.

aesthete

meant to indicate support for Hayworth as Gov!
mbecker908

Probably against Goddard. I suspect Goddard will win by a large margin.

She was OK as SoS, it’s an admin job not a policy job. She’s in over her head farther than Obama.

SteveLA

mbecker

How would a rematch of JD v Mitchel play out?

Has his old area of Phoenix turned less conservative, or is it still a pretty Republican district? I’m not sure how districts are drawn in AZ, but over here in CA the Assembly does and tends to draw safe D and safe R seats, so I wonder how drawing of districts played out in Phoenix and or population shifts.

mbecker908

We’ve had too damn may fricking Californians move here, so it’s probably light red. I think any decent R could beat Mitchell, I think JD would be a toss up, about the same margin as last time either way.

AceInTX

maybe this was all a pipe dream from the start. Let’s all just lay down…let the Democrats and the liberal Republicans have their way with us because we’re DOOMED!

http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

It’s bad enough watching the destruction of the process of deliberative, representative democracy in the Senate tonight.

Mbecker and other locals have spelled things out well in my book – and have been saying the same thing for months.

And above here and here he spelled out the mountain of problems facing JD – many of which only the candidate can solve.

So no need for breast-beating and assuming the position…We’re still game for firing away – but on vulunerable targets with solid Republican opponents.

AceInTX

wishful thinking and all that.

Achance

if you know enough about it.
mbecker908

You’d be better off working to get KBH out of the Senate and Michael Williams in. Williams is an extremely intelligent, extremely articulate, highly experienced and very effective conservative. He’d routinely make fools out of both the Senate Dems and the MSM.

Put JD in front of a camera and you got a drooling fool who thinks volume makes up for intelligent argument. He was a freaking sportscaster before he ran for Congress. He’s the R version of Keith Olberman, and just about as intelligent.

Come on Ace, you’re smart enough to know you’ve got to pick your fights. This isn’t a one election horse race. We’ve gotta win where we can win and build a bench. The good news is that in six years hopefully Flake or Shadegg or a player to be named later can win McCain’s seat, but not now.

AceInTX

if she doesn’t win the primary…she stays in office and Williams is SOL…

that said…I give…I know in my heart of hearts you’re right…but one can fantasize…right?

mbecker908

making McCain go away. Most of mine are not publishable.

And, if we had Michael Williams in AZ I’m pretty sure he’d beat McCain like an old snare drum.

mbecker908

was Gamecock giving lessons on Comment titles and I missed it?

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