I think you’re getting a little too obsessed with colors and lines on a map. Even in most red states the democrat receives ~45% of the vote. The reverse is true for blue states. I imagine those sizable minorities don’t feel it is no longer their country.

There’s two candidates: one winner and one loser. Obviously it sucks to be on the losing side, but (and here’s the brilliant part) in just a few years we’re going to do it all over again.

In the meantime take pride in the fact you live in the greatest democracy in the world.

“Achance equates today’s southern conservatives with slave owners.”

Seriously though, it’s all part of the vibes given off by the O-bots….
- We don’t need to “agree to disagree” when we can force our views on you.
- Disagree by putting up a sign or putting on a bumper sticker? Expect signs to get stolen or vandalized and cars with such blasphemy to get keyed or worse.
- Disagree via talk radio? Not for long, once we get the “fairness” doctrine in place along with the muscle to enforce it.
- Dare to speak against us? Prepare to be labelled a racist hate-monger and have your life trashed by our army of O-bots and, in the most severe cases, our battalion (or is it a brigade?) of lawyers.

Obama and his crew give me the creeps.

Dennis Prager has this up this morning at WND.com.

2 irreconcilable Americas

For most of my life I have believed, in what I now regard as wishful thinking, that the right and left wings have essentially the same vision for America, that it’s only about ways to get there in which the two sides differ. Right and left share the same ends, I thought.

That is not the case. For the most part, right and left differ in their visions of America, and that is why they differ on policies.

Right and the left do not want the same America.

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For these and other reasons, calls for a unity among Americans that transcends left and right are either naive or disingenuous. America will be united only when one of them prevails over the other. The left knows this. Most on the right do not. (emphasis mine)

Prager has consistently been one of the most thoughtful voices around and makes a compelling argument that buttresses the points you have made here.

“When men yield up the privilege of thinking, the last shadow of liberty quits the horizon.”

Thomas Paine

You have put many of my thoughts on our current national situation into an apt historical context.

The Left/progressives are at war with the Right/traditional and they are in the process of excalating from a ‘cold war’ to a hot war. Unfortunately, most on the Right do not even realize that we are at war at all. It’s ironic in that the Right has the same blinders on that the Left wears when viewing our external conflicts with radical islam or other despots around the globe (the ‘surely we can talk through this’ mentality). The Right believe that we are all Americans first and we can work for our common good. This has become impossible as the current crop of Leftists view America as inherantly evil and must be torn down and reformed to thier image. How do you negotiate with some one who wishes to destroy you (or everthing you belive in)?

Achance, your use of the word subjugation is a perfect descritpion of what we can expect. Just looking at how pelosi and reid have run the congress over the last 2 years provides ample evidence of the kind of open and accessible government those who don’t share thier utopian worldview can expect.

My mother and grandmother were in nazi Germany in the 1930′s. My grandmother ofter said that the people of the US had no idea how easy it would be for a dictator to come to power here. I never really appreciated that view until recent events.

I have never before felt so without any represention and I share your concerns. Gramsci provided a brilliant master plan.

This could have been written by any random Leftie from 2001-2006. All you have to do is reverse the Left and Right fears/talking points/paranoia. We’ll be fine.

Once you see what a unitary executive looks like when he’s a Democrat, you won’t be able to scream “Checks and Balances” loudly enough.

A loss would be a combination of

manifestation of white guilt that is larger because McCain doesn’t present a clear enough distinction on economics

Achance’s theme which is also much of the theme of Prager today and his two Americas column – see link below – which I agree with both, but would also add that

a loss would mean that the babyboom left did not yet reach its population peak despite all the abortions

and then finally

voter fraud

prager column

more later

Otherwise I would imagine things will turn volitale when free men once again decide that they will not be lorded over by that distant corrupt institution that we currently call the Federal government.

Rush Limbaugh quoted a poll today – and he said the results have been constant for many years – that 60 % of Americans describe themselves as conservative or at least somewhat so.

Describing yourself as liberal was in the 30% range.

If the respondents know what “conservative: is supposed to mean, how does Big Brobama have any chance?

Especially after his Robin-Hood economics answer to the plumber in Toledo yesterday?

The coming change for America Videos

You bring up an interesting comparison between the southern man in 1860 being no less demoralized than a conservative man in 2008.

Here’s the rub IMO, this being demoralized has been an ongoing project of enemies to the US for decades. Everybody who has received a public school education or reads the NYT, WaPo, and LAT, or watches news anchors on NBC, ABC, and CBS has been indoctrinated to believe the US is most responsible for all that is wrong in the world. And what really makes me nervous is what phase comes next after the demoraliztion phase.

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In one sense, I agree with you that the Civil War was about something other than slavery. In much the same way, I would say that Roe v. Wade is about something other than abortion, that something being the unelected judges saying that things are in the Constitution when they clearly are not.

That said, the South was not justified in succession. The southern states agreed to play by the rules just as everyone else. There was no stipulation in the Consitution that said you don’t have to abide by the results of an election if your side loses. That is the very essence of a republic. Sometimes you lose. Majority rules. End of discussion. Ironically, if the South had not succeeded, and had snet all of their representatives to DC, they would have had enough votes (more than 1/3) to block the amendment ending slavery.

Finally, I just have to say; Abraham Lincoln was the greatest President, and one of the great leaders the world has ever known. He is the reason I am a Republican, and whenever I hear a revisionist historian downing him, I always defend Lincoln. If a few of our politicians today had even half the testicular fortitude of Lincon, we would not have half of the problems in government we have. To me, Honest Abe is as American as apple pie or baseball.

For many reasons.

Probably the most important -my view of Obama is different. I see him as a schmoozing machine politician who used leftist connections to get his start. If he had started someplace else, he would have started spouting DLC centrism. I don’t believe he believes in the leftist BS of his associates. Truthfully, I don’t think he believes in anything other than his own persona, which seems to have a new release every couple of weeks. We’re on Obama 10.3 right now, where he is playing victim in the third week of October.

… is more like it. Those strong red states (Texas) have economies the size of most countries. When push comes to shove we will resist every attempt from Washington to come looking for a hand out. As the squeeze goes in California, Florida, Ohio, Michigan, New York – business’s will and already are flocking to Texas. Cities and towns in Texas are gearing up for an all out blitz to caprture business and employees from battered leftist states. We won’t have to talk about secession,
after 4 years of Obama, Washington will have done it for us.
Does Texas have the resources to be in independent nation? Texas has 23,507,783 people; 11% larger than Australia. 79% of the nations have populations smaller than Texas. Texas GDP is $1,065,891,000,000; 32% larger than Australia. 93% of the nations have a GDP smaller than Texas.

Jefferson was castigated as anti-business, anti-finance, a devotee of the French Revolution ideologically (a fashion with the Virginia planter class of the time), a pacifist on foreign policy, pro-French culturally and hostile to American military power.

With reason.

Still, in office, he used the Navy to suppress the Barbary pirates. was reasonably conciliatory to his Federalist political opponents, was willing to ally with the British against Napoleon, finagled the Lousiana purchase with Napoleon, and governed with moderation.

His first term was quite successful. His second was stormy, especially the fiasco of the Embargo Act. But most second terms go awry.

The words of my Great,Great,grandmother,she died in 1960 at 104 as she said it is not what they say but what they do one needs to understand.

I’m writing a dissertation on the causes of the secession crisis. You couldn’t be more wrong.

This notion that “northeastern elites continually attacked the South” is ridiculous. Northern doughfaces (google it) continually compromised with the South. Almost every president before Lincoln was Southern and those who were Northern did everything they could to satiate the South and the interests of slavery. There were no two term Northern presidents before Lincoln.

In the 19th century the North was just as religious, if not more religious, as the South. The movement to abolish slavery was an evangelical movement. The political division of 1860 was purely sectional between slave and free. Lincoln was chosen because of his moderation. Lincoln offered plenty of compromise with the South, he even got rid of his VP and replaced him with a Southerner, Andrew Johnson.

Today’s division is not sectional. New Hampshire and PA are still swing states. Washington just nearly elected a Republican governor. California’s governor is Republican. If it weren’t such a bad year for the GOP because of W. NJ would be up in the air.

Iowa and New Mexico are looking to go to the Dems. They are hardly Northern elites.

Alot of this angst that you’re seeing has been caused by George Bush. Those in blue states view him the way that those in red states view Obama. I’ve been saying for a while that Obama is just the liberal’s version of Bush.

Conservatives lost their way and ran out of ideas under George Bush. We’re now reaping what we sowed.

Is this election over? No. But regardless of who wins on the 4th, conservatives need to find new ideas that fit their conservative principles instead of running on emotion.

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/straw-poll

but if it was then like it is now, it’s no wonder it came to war.

My sister lives in Boston and we’ve been there several times. Not only do they think we are the Beverly Hillbillies, they think they are God’s gift to America.

Their arrogance is only matched by their condescension.

I’d like to snatch off their heads and spit in their necks.

Proper grammar saves lives.

Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.

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Great piece. As time permits I want to read all your replies as well. I have spent a lot of time looking at the similarities between what Obama threatens to bring us and the Woodrow Wilson / FDR brand of American Fascism. I haven’t spent a whole lot of time looking at our situation today in the context 1850-60′s America. You just changed that. Thanks. I also regret showing up late to this ‘party’ you posted.