Marxist, socialist, communist, Leninist, Stalinist, Trotskyite are all being thrown around fast and loose and often wrongly. So, let us get our communists sorted out. I only know the broad strokes and bright colors about the old time, hard line communists of the late 19th and early 20th Centuries. In that era you have the inheritors of Marx and Hegel and lots of talk of dialectic materialism and the like. Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin all are of that ilk. Trotsky and Stalin parted company over Stalin’s “bureaucratization” of communism. Stalin set the pattern for the authoritarian communist state by harnessing the apparatus of the state to the Party. He and Hitler were cut from the same cloth in this regard. Trotsky was more the free-wheeling revolution for the sake of revolution type. Cuba and North Korea are today’s inheritors of the Stalinist mold. Mao was some of both; the enduring revolution and the Stalinist bureaucratic state. Trotsky with a dash of Mao was more the model for today’s home grown communists in the US.
Obama and HRC, and most of their minions and handlers/backers are the incarnation of the Saul Alinsky model of stealth radicals. Alinsky was more of the Trotskyite and was once aligned with the Socialist Workers Party, the Trotskyite wing of American communism. Alinsky was not, however, a doctrinaire Soviet-style communist. Alinsky took a lot from the Italian communist thinker, Gramsci, and turned to organizing institutions and recruiting “clean and articulate” young disciples who could “pass,” to use an old Black term, in business, education, media, and government and could get to positions of power as stealth communists. It is no accident that Hillary Clinton wrote her thesis on Alinsky; she’s a prime example of the Alinsky model stealth communist. She and Slick Willie would have been just as crazy left as Comrade Obama is if they hadn’t overplayed their hand leading to the Republican takeover in ‘94, which act thwarted the Revolution for the remainder of Clinton’s terms, leaving him nothing much to do but play with interns.
Only the fact that the MSM are fellow travellers allowed Comrade Obama to reach power; he has too much of a record as a radical, too many radical associations, and has said too much, particularly in his first book, to be a true stealth communist as Alinsky envisioned one. But, we on the right could not yell loud enough for a deaf, dumb, blind, and stupid voting public to hear what kind of person they were poised to elect. And that idiot McCain was too interested in being liked by his “friends” in DC. So, we have a practicing communist as President and he is surrounded by practicing communists, some more stealthy than others, and some not stealthy enough, e.g., Van Jones. Shuffling HRC off to State is a Stalinist touch, sort of a kinder, gentler version of the axe that Stalin had put in Trotsky’s head.
Taking a lesson from WJC’s failure, communists are good at learning from their failures, Comrade Obama would, I’m sure, liked to finesse things a lot more, but he has lost control of things to the unions’ greed for power and to the Democrat crazies in the House. Hopefully, he won’t be able to rein them in and they will so disgust even the stupid members of the res publica that we can wrest one body away from them in ‘10. If we don’t, welcome to the Peoples’ Republic of America.
Vladimir
Mark Impomeni
Neil Stevens
Communism didn't Die with the Soviet Union
1SGinTN Tuesday, September 8th at 2:06PM EDT (link)I ran across an article on just that subject of my title in the past few days, probably on NRO. Its thesis as I recall, was that the fall of the Soviet Union was a detriment to countering the domestic communists-by-other-names. It was relatively easy to ridicule their defense of communism as a utopian form of government, when the Soviet daily failures were there for all to see. Once the CCCP was gone, we lost our primary negative example.
Dagnabbit, you baited me with this diary, you scoudrel. I should be in bed by now; instead you have sucked me back into the mix. Good job, though.
Tu Ne Cede Malis
-Virgil
It wasn't born here with the USSR either.
Achance Tuesday, September 8th at 2:15PM EDT (link)We’ve had our homegrown and imported communist since Das Kapital was published, and functionally we had all sorts of communes and other utopian groups around before the words communism and socialism were even coined. One of the louder objections to the freewheeling immigration in the 19th Century is that it was importing all sorts of communists and anarchists into the Country.
The real trouble is that schools have stopped teaching anything about what an evil communism is, particularly Stalinist, Soviet-style communism. Young people just view the USSR as another rival nation and see the US and USSR as moral equivalents.
In Vino Veritas
Facebook even has it's commies....
izoneguy Tuesday, September 8th at 2:21PM EDT (link)http://www.facebook.com/cpusa
From the CPUSA Constitution:
“The Communist Party USA is the party of and for the U.S. working class, a class which is multiracial, multinational, and unites men and women, young and old, employed and unemployed, organized and unorganized, gay and straight, native-born and immigrant, urban and rural, and composed of workers who perform a large range of physical and mental labor—the vast majority of our society. We are the party of the African American, Mexican American, Puerto Rican, all other Latino American, Native American, Asian American, and all racially and nationally oppressed peoples, as well as women, youth, and all other working people…”
“Founded in Chicago in 1919, the Communist Party of the United States has an outstanding history in the struggles for peace, democratic rights, racial and gender equality, economic justice, union organization, and international solidarity. Our Party is organized on the principle of democratic centralism, combining maximum democratic discussion and decision-making with maximum unity of will and action, ensuring our ability to play a strong organizing role in the class struggle. We focus our efforts on increasing our ability to organize millions into struggle, fighting anti-communism as a divisive weapon of the capitalist class. With Marxism-Leninism guiding our actions, the Communist Party strives to build the broadest unity against global capitalist imperialism now headed by U.S. imperialism, for immediate gains and reforms that benefit working people, and for a progressive democratization of the government, the economy, and society of our country on the road to and after winning socialism…”
Constitution of the Communist Party: http://www.cpusa.org/article/static/15/
Program of the Communist Party: http://www.cpusa.org/article/view/758
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
Roger Baldwin ACLU 1919
avgamerican Tuesday, September 8th at 11:59PM EDT (link)It’s no coincidence that the guy above founded the ACLU in 1919 during this same time period. Roger Baldwin was an admitted atheist/communist. He revoked his American citizenship to become a Russian citizen. The ACLU has been working very hard supported by taxpayer money to erase our Christian heritage and public expression. This organization has been leading a very quiet bloodless revolution in our nation since that time. Although as you have pointed out they have had many leaders, Obama is the most radical leader they have had to champion their cause.
Since white folks provide
Warrior Wednesday, September 9th at 1:37PM EDT (link)most of the “physical and mental labor” in this country, I wonder if the CPUSA is also the party of European Americans and if we are oppressed, too?
Frankly, I would like to be a victim for a while. Take a day off from earning a living, being responsible, paying the freight, etc…
“When school children start paying union dues, that’s when I’ll start representing the interests of school children.” — Al Shanker, President of the American Federation of Teachers for 23 years
I wonder if the communists wrote HR 3200
izoneguy Tuesday, September 8th at 2:25PM EDT (link)And then you will see where Obama & Pelosi get there talking points:
Program of the Communist Party: http://www.cpusa.org/article/view/758
Communists support a health care system that is comprehensive and free with guaranteed access to quality care whenever needed. But a health care system is more than just medical care.
Health care also means prevention of occupational and community environmental hazards and infectious conditions that threaten people’s health. In addition, the lack of affordable housing has become a major public health problem.
A comprehensive health care system means that all health workers in hospitals and community clinics must reflect the populations they are serving—we support the aggressive application of affirmative action programs for equal access to medical, nursing, and other professional training and education programs.
Organized labor, while protecting its own hard-won benefits, is beginning to see the need and necessity to unite with other national and community-based organizations in the fight for a national health system that provides quality, guaranteed health benefits for everyone.
SOUNDS A LIKE LIKE HR 3200??? Heh…..
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
Have we been here before?
Warrior Wednesday, September 9th at 1:49PM EDT (link)“In addition, the lack of affordable housing has become a major public health problem.”
Let’s see, the last Utopian idea, that everyone has a “right” to “affordable housing”, brought the country (and much of the world) to the brink of financial chaos.
So, why on earth does anyone think it will be any different with a “right” to, not just “affordable healthcare”, but ” a health care system that is comprehensive and free with guaranteed access to quality care whenever needed.”
It really looks as though the NEA and AFT have succeeded in dumbing down many Americans to the point where they buy this putrid snake oil without question.
Americans of my father’s day would have laughed this nonesense out of existence five minutes after it was proposed. Would that he, and they, were here today…
“When school children start paying union dues, that’s when I’ll start representing the interests of school children.” — Al Shanker, President of the American Federation of Teachers for 23 years
Excellent distillation of the various "houses" of communism.
johnCV Tuesday, September 8th at 4:37PM EDT (link)Your mention of Gramsci, I believe, is an extrememly important part of the USCom working plan who gets very little of the credit for where we are. Gramsci’s (a Leninist type communist) lasting contribution to marxism is on the practical side. His work was to appliy it specifically to destrcution of Western culture.
Essentailly his ideas are based on ‘cultrual momentum’ (or hegemony), in that each cultrure has certain values and structures that curb short term lurches from the norm. Western culture values are based on the principles of Christianity and free market capitalism. For Marxism to flourish amongst the middle class of the West (the most numerous beneficiaries of the culture, and most stable), those pillars on which Western society is built must be weakened and destroyed.
The relentless attack upon religion, the economic system and the ‘equality’ of all cutures (multiculti) are his legacies. Look how the Leftists have been steadfastly undermining the traditional values of America (the last bastion of Western culture). As examples of gramscian tactics, look at the reduced rate of religious adherance ( and the corruption of Scripture within the churches), the attack on Free markets (i.e. moore’s latest screed on how capitalism is evil), obama’s world apology tour and his insistence that America sucks (refusal to accept American Exceptionalism) and the beginnings of the indocrination thanks to the NEA. This has been going on for 80 years. Beck has been discussing the Progressives who use Gramscian tactics.
Marx and Hegel are the philosophers, Lenin et.al. are the soul of the movement, Alinsky is the activist/organizer, but Gramsci was the staegist who came up with the most potent idea to destroy the West.
I cannot type or proof read apparently... <nt>
johnCV Tuesday, September 8th at 4:41PM EDT (link)Gramsci Understood The West
Swamp_Yankee Wednesday, September 9th at 12:40PM EDT (link)I Agree here. Other Marxists models are based on statist societies of much of Eastern Europe and Asia. I was not tailored for America. Gramsci was the greatest intellect of them all. What we have now is the cultural marxism of neo-marxists combined with general deconstructionism.
http://www.twitter.com/swamp_yank
Achance- With your understanding of communism
Scope Tuesday, September 8th at 8:14PM EDT (link)please will you also talk about Frederich Engels, as he apparently from my understanding edited Das Kapital after Marx’s death, and did the next 2 versions. It seems to me that the Revolutionary Communist Paty in the US has looked to Engels as their hero. Here in my area, Charlottesville Virginia, home of UVA, has a website for Revolutionary Communist Party of Charlottesville-
http://www.revolutionarycommunistparty.org/
Van Jones came here to meet Tom Periello, 5th district Rep., which includes Charlottesville, to highlight a house that was “greened.” It got a new waterless hot water heater, and all the cracks were fixed in the house. I call it “Cash for Cracks.”
As I said, I only know the broad strokes and bright colors
Achance Tuesday, September 8th at 8:20PM EDT (link)of the 19th Century guys; I had to deal with the modern versions every day, so I know them pretty well. All I really know about Engels is that he collaborated with Marx on The Communist Manifesto and edited a couple of editions of Das Kapital.
Hey, people who want to style themselves as intellectuals really like authoritarian Germans, see, e.g., Nietzche. They really see them selves as the supermen and we mortals as the untermenchen; that pretty much explains it.
In Vino Veritas
The best thing the Nazis ever did
Warrior Wednesday, September 9th at 1:57PM EDT (link)was to kill a bunch of commies during the “Night of the Long Knives”.
BTW, Achance, I thought Trotsky got an ice pick in the ear.
“When school children start paying union dues, that’s when I’ll start representing the interests of school children.” — Al Shanker, President of the American Federation of Teachers for 23 years
An ice climber's ice axe, sometimes called an ice pick.
Achance Wednesday, September 9th at 2:11PM EDT (link)It didn’t kill him immediately; bad way to go.
In Vino Veritas
So you lied when you told us you're just 60? -nt-
CincoSolas_del_Bronx Wednesday, September 9th at 2:34PM EDT (link)Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
Heh - Actually they caught the KGB guy who did it. nt
Achance Wednesday, September 9th at 2:59PM EDT (link)In Vino Veritas
Sez you! If my
CincoSolas_del_Bronx Wednesday, September 9th at 3:09PM EDT (link)Depression-in-VT-remembering history teacher–who would never have called an ice pick an ice axe–said it was an ice pick, sounds like somebody has a little more inside knowledge than they should!
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
Cinco, Sarah did it
civil_truth Wednesday, September 9th at 5:28PM EDT (link)Art made a rare slip up here.
Let’s put it this way, have you seen how Sarah field dresses a moose with an ice axe? She’s a pro.
And Rightly So!
'So I taken the kaiser blade, some folks calls it a sling blade, I call it a kaiser blade...' nt
Vladimir Wednesday, September 9th at 5:17PM EDT (link)There is no opinion, however absurd, which men will not readily embrace as soon as they can be brought to the conviction that it is generally adopted. - Arthur Schopenhauer
lol... If it had been a kaiser blade,
blooch Wednesday, September 9th at 5:56PM EDT (link)there would have been no slow, lingering death. If I had a gun rack in my pickup, my kaiser blade would be in it. You can limb a 60′ pine tree in 10 minutes with that thing.
BTW, I hve never seen that movie, just that clip…Billy Bob’s best work. IMO
“The government has absolutely no right to keep *peaceful* individuals out of the U.S.”–mtnrunner2
Huh. I had you figured for a 'Bad Santa' guy....
Vladimir Wednesday, September 9th at 9:34PM EDT (link)…given the name & all…
There is no opinion, however absurd, which men will not readily embrace as soon as they can be brought to the conviction that it is generally adopted. - Arthur Schopenhauer
You're right, Vlad...
blooch Thursday, September 10th at 8:09AM EDT (link)“Bad Santa ” was his best comedy.
“The government has absolutely no right to keep *peaceful* individuals out of the U.S.”–mtnrunner2
Buckley was once asked...
kyle8 Wednesday, September 9th at 5:35PM EDT (link)if he could find anything good to say about Stalin.
his answer: “Well, he killed a lot of communists.”
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Engels was a spoiled rich kid
kyle8 Wednesday, September 9th at 5:34PM EDT (link)who went to Britain and “discovered” the plight of the urban poor during the industrial revolution. He was a horrid racist and his book about the poor is full of put downs of the Irish.
He describes the plight of the poor in the most sensationalist way but never goes into why so many people voluntarily left the country side to work in the factories.
Like so many who followed him, his critiques were big on emotion, short on tolerance, and bereft of any facts contrary to the foregone conclusion.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Recommended with a small quibble or two.
spainishirish Tuesday, September 8th at 10:22PM EDT (link)Lenin actually started the authoritarian violence in the USSR.
As for Obama, he strikes me more or less as a faculty lounge-type socialist, who at an earlier age probably got high and talked about how really cool a revolution would be and at a later age just hung around with folks who sung the praises of Che and frequented the same restaurants. In other words, Obama is a Van Jones Democrat.
Other than that, fine work.
Good points in your comment, as well. Schools no longer teach about communist violence because so many of those fine institutions are run by those sympathetic to that insanity. Besides, the similarities between the passivity some showed toward communism and the same shown today toward terrorists is a little unsettling in some corners.
Just trying to do a precis; I recognize the quibbles.
Achance Tuesday, September 8th at 11:36PM EDT (link)What we’re seeing now really is just the masturbatory fantasies from college dorm rooms in the late ’60s. I knew a lot of them and smoked dope with them, but I just liked the women who did acid and liked sex better. Choices, choices …
In Vino Veritas
Achance- You are giving "all" of us boomers a bad rap
Scope Wednesday, September 9th at 7:22AM EDT (link)Remember a comment on here not long ago from a youngin’ who blamed everything on us blood sucking boomers? Not all of us bought into the whole love and peace in Utopia gig, or many of us left our twenties, grew a brain, and became responsible, productive citizens. It’s the ones that couldn’t grasp reality, in their drug hazes, that stayed behind in academia where they could continue their bizarre behaviour, and inflict their idiocy on new generations. Either that or they went into politics. You’re right, they are now just living out their fantasies.
True. But remember, those who didn't go into academia or politics
spainishirish Wednesday, September 9th at 11:22AM EDT (link)went into media. Peter Pan Syndrome with a Marxist-Leninist twist would be amusing but/for the profound effect it has on our nation. Those of us who did grow up need to help reform academia, politics, and media (if there really is a distinction among them these days) by insisting folks with adult brains run those shows.
We could try paying attention to who gets appointed
Achance Wednesday, September 9th at 11:45AM EDT (link)to State boards of Regents and Boards of Education. The National Extortion Association owns local school boards but in many states, State boards control credentialling criteria and set curriculum standards. In the Red States, we could easily break the Democrat/Educrat stranglehold on these vital boards Likewise, state boards of regents are usually appointed and they have the same authority over college credentialling and curriculum. Getting a Republican/conservative grip on these vital bodies would go a long way towards controlling the craziness in the Red States.
In Vino Veritas
You are exactly right.
spainishirish Wednesday, September 9th at 12:09PM EDT (link)There is no excuse for these left-wing incubators in areas that are conservative. Tenured teachers are another matter, but appointments certainly to Boards of Regents and school boards (or candidates, in some instances) need extensive scrutiny. It took the Left forty years to indoctrinate to the extent they have, and it is time to take back ground from them in the educational system. Good suggestion.
Don't Mock Us ;)
OccamsRazor Wednesday, September 9th at 5:43AM EDT (link)We’ve all read gale stokes-sheman wannabe incarnate.
Quite Frankly
OccamsRazor Wednesday, September 9th at 12:43PM EDT (link)Obama isn’t even all this bright. He’s a wannabe Pres only.
Comrade Obama, the President manque,
Achance Wednesday, September 9th at 6:27PM EDT (link)is really only a tribute to affirmative action at every step of his life. In his heart he knows that and that is why he tries to lord over the Country with Greek columns, World Tours, and incessant press “opportunities.” He’s just a wind-up doll that his handlers stick out there; he believes all his good communist stuff because that’s all he’s ever known, not because of any deep thinking, something I don’t think he does much of. Were I considering one of the ones we can see as a chess opponent or an adversary in a hearing or negotiations, Emmanuel is the one I’d pack a lunch for.
In Vino Veritas
I heard him say to the school kids
Lammo Wednesday, September 9th at 6:47PM EDT (link)that he was a goof off in high school. If so, how the devil did he ever get into Columbia?
ACORN: Association of Criminals Obama Represented in the Nineties. (jupitersuite)
Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. (Fr. John Corapi, SOLT)
Crime never takes a holiday. (Dennis J. O’Shea, R.I.P.)
Unlawful is against the law. Illegal is a sick bird. (Ooold joke)
Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read. (Groucho Marx)
KRS One calls him the McDonalds manager
Alberta Wednesday, September 9th at 8:07PM EDT (link)If you want to change the menu at McDonalds, you deal with the owner, not the manager.
Ive badly paraphrased the line.
I think he (Obama) gets all his ideas from his wife anyways. Shes the, uh, um, brains (for lack of a better term) of the team. Pack a lunch for her, too.
Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right.
Abraham Lincoln
AYep. That's why BO was advised to steam roll. -nt
OccamsRazor Saturday, September 12th at 8:09PM EDT (link).
Just bought Soft Despotism, Democracy's Drift
Cheryl Thursday, September 10th at 6:22PM EDT (link)by Paul Rahe, (it’s sitting there over on the stack on top of Hayward’s new “Age of Reagan”), excellent diary by the way.
http://www.twitter.com/CherylAnnCA
I've always found it funny (in the 'ugh' sense) that all of the places
The_Gadfly Friday, September 11th at 10:40AM EDT (link)where communists seized power were the places where Marx and Engels didn’t think it could take root.
As for me personally, while it satisfies my intellectual curiosity to know the intricate details, for practical purposes I use the Hayek method: if it is tyrannical kill it, and that includes soft tyrannies.
Good post as usual Art.
We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.
-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463
If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?
inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156