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Of windfall profits and oil companies (Or, a response to Scope, Barack Obama, and Sarah Palin)

With <a href=”http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/01/11/im-afraid-sarah-palin-might-be-ruining-herself-unintentionally/”>Erick’s well-intentioned post</a> concerning National Tea Party Convention’s legitimacy raising ire among some Palin fans and <a href=”http://www.redstate.com/mbecker908/2010/01/11/sarah-palin-is-a-fox/”>Palin’s signing up with Fox News Channel</a>, it looks like Palin season is upon us. As a result, several comments and <a href=”http://www.redstate.com/scope/2010/01/13/in-search-of-facts-concerning-gov-palins-record-in-alaska”>a diary written by Scope</a> (which I recommend that you read) have been made in support of <a href=”http://gov.state.ak.us/aces/”>Alaska’s Clear and Equitable Share (ACES)</a>, a profits tax on oil companies in Alaska passed during Palin’s tenure as governor of AK. President Obama, and many Democrats, have toyed with the idea of levying a windfall profits tax similar to the ACES scheme on oil companies in the US, and despite support for such a tax having died down since the conclusion of the Bush Administration, it is still very much favored among many on the left. To that end, I have decided to respond to all of these disparate parties supportive of a 70′s-style profits tax on oil through a critique of the ACES tax scheme. Make no mistake: ACES is a profits tax, plain and simple, and while it may not have the “windfall” prefix, it is very similar in structure to many “windfall profits” taxes, including Obama’s proposed scheme. In AK’s special case, where the <a href=”http://ltgov.alaska.gov/services/constitution.php”>Alaskan Constitution</a> entrusts mineral rights to the state, the problem isn’t so much class warfare as it is that profits taxes are both economically inefficient, and an unstable form of revenue for the government. Moreover, they can, in extreme circumstances, create perverse incentives in government. Let me explain.

First of all, there is a significant difference between economic profit and accounting profit. While accounting profit is simply what’s left over when all accounts have been payed with incoming funds, economic profits include all costs, including labor and time, as best it can. (As an aside, Investopedia has a good definition here.) For example, let’s say that you spend $20 to set up a lemonade shop, and you get $30 after two days of working the lemonade stand. Accounting profits would be $10 ($30-20=$10). Now, let’s say that you could have made $35 mowing lawns with those inputs. In that case, your economic profit is negative ($30-20-35=-25)! Why is economic profit important? There are many reasons, but for our purposes, there can only be one [insert Highlander reference here]:

Economic profit, not accounting profit, is what companies are actually getting back for their efforts, because they are inclusive of resources that aren’t strictly monetary, such as time and labor. Therefore, moralistic endeavors to get a “Clear and Equitable share”, of a company’s profits, if that is the intention, should ideally be confined only to the actual “share” in question (which is whatever oil companies’ economic profit actually is, NOT accounting profits, which are much higher than economic profit).

Besides that concern, a tax on accounting profit isn’t very efficient for government: it’s very easy to hide profits in some account or other, and even easier to move profit from the US (or AK) to more favorable areas. A tax on production, OTOH, is difficult to escape: if the oil is produced in the US (or AK), oil companies have less options to escape taxation, and monitoring becomes much easier for the government. Even if all of the enforcement issues are dealt with adequately (and in a way that is more cost-effective than enforcing a tax on production), lower profits would mean less long-term investment in the oil industry wherever this holds true.

From the government’s viewpoint, there are also problems with the stability of such an arrangement as a form of revenue for AK long-term; profits throughout any stretch of time are far more variable than production. This means that incoming revenue is also going to be erratic in nature. Also, production comprises only a small part of what is involved in the overall profit of oil companies: refining, transportation, demand, etc. play a large role in those profits, and are largely dependent on factors outside of AK. Considering that fact, it’s a bit of a stretch to say that a windfall profits tax would fall under Article VIII of AK’s Constitution, though I’m sure AKSteve, Art, or one of our legal eagles would know more about that than me. All of this culminates to create a perverse incentive, wherein legislatures seek to increase oil company profits, instead of production, to increase incoming government revenue. Though both would be somewhat amoral, as we’ve already noted, profits have less to do directly with AK than production, so it is likely that measures to increase government revenue by increasing profits would benefit AK directly less than a production tax. Moreover, some of the indirect benefits of production in AK (workers spending their money on AK goods, company investment in AK, etc.) would also be redistributed away from the state, as the result of a profits tax. In a striking irony, you’re right back where you started: with corrupt politicians working with well-meaning pols and Big Oil to enrich their own coffers, while screwing over AK’s citizens and economy.

So, what were Palin’s motivations in all of this? If you subscribe to Public Choice Theory, or if you’re a cynic, you could make the case that Palin did it for her own benefit: profits were high and in plain view (eliminating the long-term problem of enforcement), and attacking the oil companies for “price gouging” is a time-tested strategy for electoral success. Certainly, I can think of a couple of politicians who would think, “Long-term policies be damned! I’m only in office for the next couple of years; let the next sucker who gets into office figure it out!” I’d bet that a large part of Democratic support originated from that motivation, and there are probably more than a few operatives who hope to characterize whoever is in office when this tax scheme comes under strain as “fiscally irresponsible” for political points, as they did with Bush and the mortgage crisis.

On the other hand, there are plenty of cases where a politician’s good intentions lead to unanticipated results: even Reagan, when he signed the Therapeutic Abortion Act, fell victim to this penchant. If it wasn’t below Reagan to fall privy to such vices, Palin is surely not exempt from the maxim, good intentions=bad policy.

In the end, it’s unlikely that we will ever really know the truth, just as it’s probable that both motivations were at play among the AK legislature. Whatever the case, profits taxes are no better when enacted by Republicans than when suggested by Dems, and we should take note that, regardless of motivations and intent, all that we’re left with at the end of the day are the results of policy, whether good or bad.

COMMENTS

  • mschmitt

    … hopefully Neil’s patch hasn’t taken effect yet. :)

    • aesthete
  • Tbone

    And the difference between a tax and an increased share.

    • yaktan

      The thing is as the diary mentioned, oil companies get profits from other places than just pulling oil out of the ground. The only two methods that actually make sense if you start with Alaska owning the oil are charging a flat rate to drill, essentially leasing, or charging by the barrel, which makes the most sense. Charging by the barrel is essentially a production tax, in fact it is identical for all practical purposes.

      • aesthete
        • Warrior

          Now, Lord knows I’m no economist, but some of your remarks don’t make sense to me. For example, you say: “Now, let?s say that you could have made $35 mowing lawns with those inputs. In that case, your economic profit is negative…” This sounds more like opportunity costs than whatever “economic profit” is. Exxon could be making more if it took over a small middle-eastern country and ran it for its’ own use, or if it could cheaply extract oil from the moon and sell it in the U.S. The problem is — it isn’t. It is in Alaska drilling for, extracting, transporting and selling oil. If it could make bigger bucks somewhere else you can bet it would be doing exactly that.

          Palin makes the point in her book that BP, et al, were sitting on their Highpoint leases (I believe that’s the name) and using them as investments until she threatened to cancel the leases and sell them to somebody who would drill. According to her, BP and the rest immediately took steps to begin drilling. She cites the same sort of thing with the nat gas pipeline. Palin says that Exxon, BP and some of the other big boys wouldn’t even sit down at the table with her. So, according to Palin, she opened it up to a public bidding process and these self-same companies came a runnin’. Though Trans Canada eventually won it, Exxon is still trying to muscle in on the contract. This is hardly the behavior of people who are not making enough “economic profit.”

          Palin also stated she implemented the tax because state revenues were already fluctuating and not generally reliable. However, it sounds like a tax per barrel would be the way to go as you say, since it’s the natural resource itself that the state owns, otherwise it becomes a futile and exhausting (not to mention costly) rabbit chase into the convoluted warrens of international finance and high powered business dynamics, as you and Art both have mentioned.

          Art has managed to make me somewhat skeptical about Ms. Palin’s rendition of events, but if memory serves, the people of Alaska were quite enamored of both her efforts to clean up the Corrupt Bastards Club and to get a “fair share” of the oil money for Alaskans. Again, I hardly have any expertise in the matter, but I’ve never heard so many diametrically opposed accounts of the same events. I wonder that if Palin is lying, or even shading the story her way, why Time magazine’s eleven fact checkers, or any number of other Palin detractors haven’t pointed them out. And I don’t mean in a round about, he said / she said sort of way. I mean, for instance, “Palin said so and so on page 100 and it is incorrect and here is what I have to prove it is wrong.”

          It occurs to me that you may be confusing “accounting profit” with dividends, which are indeed proportional to company wide profit. However, no real connection can be made between international “economic profit” and Alaska’s fair share. As you mention, whatever goes on outside of Alaska should not figure into Alaska’s share – gain or loss. It is Exxon et al’s STATEWIDE accounting profit which, IMHO, could be fair game for state tax. And if that can be tagged to per barrel extraction, it shouldn’t be such a mamoth problem to figure out or as simple to hide as you suggest. For example, 200,000 barrels are produced fro the North Shore. At, say, $100 per barrell and a “fair profit” of 10%, that production figure would result in 2 mil profit. Alaska could levy a percentage of that figure as tax, which is what I think they did.

          I’m no basher of “Big Oil”. I think most people don’t apprecate what our lives would be like without Big Oil. (Just ask the Hatians, or the Nepalese, etc.) I also know that oil companies generally make a smaller percentage profit per unit than almost any other commodity. I do believe however, that regardless of how big or how necessary the business is, it should be conducted legally and ethically. Diogenes, wherefore art thou…

          • aesthete

            and for the recommend. Sorry for my confusing explanation of economic profit: after I posted my diary, I wanted to correct that section (and some grammatical mistakes, clunky syntax, etc.). As I said previously, economic profit tries to calculate costs like labor and time that aren’t included in accounting profits. The way that it does this is by looking at the maximum value that those resources could have earned, and assigning that value to those resources. So yes, economic profit is inclusive of opportunity cost, and is a more accurate measure of what profit for a firm actually is. This only matters if the reason for taxing profits is based in moralistic thinking (i.e., looking to get a “Clear and Equitable Share” of the profits), because economic profits are always lower than accounting profits, and thus the “share” should be confined to those profits. That was my sole point wrt accounting vs. economic profits.

            Oil production in AK is clearly profitable; at least, profitable enough that the oil companies haven’t left. Critics of ACES aren’t saying that the oil industry will shrivel up and die, but simply that the cost of enforcing a profits tax, the cost of a business relocating its profit centers, and the hidden cost of distortion of profitability are high and largely avoidable by instituting a production tax, and that it is an unstable source of revenue for the government. To be clear, the ACES proposal

            I haven’t read Palin’s book, but if what Art says about the pipeline being vaporware is true, then why wouldn’t BP, Exxon, etc. want a cool $200 mil for doing nothing?

            Profit, even statewide profit, is a combination of several inputs that have nothing to do with AK, and that in the oil industry, never will. I’m not going to pretend to be an expert on oil, and I’m sure that Vlad, kyle, and our other oil guys could tell you more about inputs, but to get oil to a sellable state, you have to refine the oil, transport it to where it needs to go, and purchase and maintain gas stations, at the least. Moreover, demand for oil is independent of all of those variables, and again, has little to do with AK, as their population’s demand for oil is only a small fraction of worldwide demand. I don’t know how one would go about calculating what percentage of profit is due to AK production, much less figure out how much of that portion is fair game for government to take! I don’t much care about the morality of a profits tax, but if ACES’ supporters are using it as a reason for the tax, the complexities of calculating a fair share, even if you assume that the calculators in question are impartial, should be mentioned.

            I don’t think that Art’s account and the one that you summarize here are mutually exclusive; many of Art’s criticisms come from a technocratic, wonkish, insider perspective, a perspective that would probably be unique among AK’s populace. So it is quite possible that AK’s citizenry saw a broad picture of a crusader against her own party, Big Oil, and corruption, and said, “that’s something I can get behind.” I really don’t know. As a non-expert in both the fields of oil production and AK, I tried to limit myself to discussing the demerits of a profit tax as opposed to a production tax.

            Again, I don’t see why a flat production tax of some kind wouldn’t be better than a profit tax, and I have no idea why conservatives are supporting said tax in AK as sound policy.

          • Warrior

            And I don’t wish to belabor the point, but if you would go one ,more round with me, I would be grateful.

            This sentence, made while you were patiently trying to explain economic profits to me, in particular gives me trouble:
            “The way that it does this is by looking at the maximum value that those resources could have earned, and assigning that value to those resources.”

            That seems ridiculous to me. I could be engaged in other activities which would make me far more money than my current job does (contracting in Afganistan for instance), but there is no legal way that can come anywhere near my accounting procedures. It just seems like so much pie in the sky to me.

            I mean, why can’t Exxon count “costs like labor and time” spent by Exxon workers IN AK, and materials/equipment/overhead used in AK drawing oil from the ground in AK, balance those against the sellable value of a barrel of crude and arrive at a profit. Very few marketable items go from natural resource to retail items in the same state, indeed, often not even in the same country.

            I’m probably naieve or stupid, but I just don’t see why an accounting of “EXXON costs vs production value in AK” cannot be rendered…

          • Scope

            Warrior, in his comment, has some of the same thoughts that I have had.

            As to the volatility in oil prices, that has existed in Alaska for many many years, and, in fact has been a part of their financial statements as far back as I checked, at least 8-9 years. From the 2008 financials-

            “The state’s major source of Revenue is Petroleum related. The price of oil has had it’s ups and downs over the years.” Also, “Oil price volatility continues, and price fluctuations will persist as economic uncertainty, geopolitical tensions, and supply constraints exert pressure on world crude oil markets.”

            How do other states, that depend on their fossil fuel revenues, extract state revenues from those companies sales. For example, how does West Virginia charge the Coal companies for mining and selling that resource? I’ve read that WV receives approximately 14% of it’s state revenues from coal severance taxes, rents and royalties. WV also has income, property and sales taxes, which Alaska does not. Is it not up to the state, and her citizens, how they choose to fund their state government? Please forget the communists Byrd and Rockafeller for this arguments sake.

            Is the problem with ACES, if there is one, the amount of tax, or the method of taxation ie per barrel or net profits? Weather it is one or the other, how can you attain stability in either method? If you charge per barrel, you have the problem of limits on the number of barrels available for extraction (Salazar just announced increased regulations on all oil and gas drilling everywhere in the US), which hurts the oil companies, and the state. If you charge on net profits, the oil companies can deduct their expenses, all of them, and depending on the traded price per barrel, the chance of gaining more $ per barrel increases with the increase in the price per barrel. Oil prices will not hit bottom again for a very long time, or at least until the communist federal government is replaced, and sanity in using our own resources is applied. I may be seeing it wrong, but, the high price per barrel gives Alaska a higher return, at least in the short term, hopefully. I honestly don’t see any future predicting even possible with the federal government we are currently living with. I’m not sure where you tie Palin in to passing ACES for her own short term gain. Yes, Palin signed ACES into law, but, there were alot of other people in Alaska involved in designing and implementing the plan. Do you think they all had only Palin in mind when they were at the drawing board? Wouldn’t each want to have credibility when adding their input to the legislation?

            As to your talk about the difference between economic profit vs accounting profit, is this some new Wall street way of diluting the toxic assets from the A rated assets? Is it kind of like valuing a home on a mark to market basis vs an appraised value? If what you mean is that BP can go to brazil and extract the same barrel of oil for less money, because their tax structure is less, and applying that difference to what the real value per barrel in Alaska should be is really creative to say the least. Sure, BP is welcome to go to Brazil and do business there, particularly when they have no US mandates there (yet), why are they not doing that? Why aren’t any of the oil companies doing that? Could it be that Alaska is still the best place to do oil business, especially if the feds and the greenies would get out of the way.

            If the oil companies in Alaska thought they could do better elsewhere they would have moved on long ago. I do not buy that they have less money to expand their businesses there because of the higher taxes. Right off the bat, if ANWAR and every other area where new gas and oil have been discovered, were able to expand to those areas, they would be running over top each other to get there.

          • aesthete

            Just wanted to let you know that I’m not ignoring you; I read both of your posts, and will reply at some time in the near future. Warrior’s post above was pretty short, so I answered that one quickly. You brought up a lot of points that I would like to address with clarity and the time that they deserve, but I’ve been a bit busy since the beginning of the spring semester. Don’t worry, it’s coming :)

          • Scope

            You wouldn’t by any chance be an indoctrinator would you? LOL

          • aesthete

            The example that you gave is exactly why economic profit is pretty much impossible to measure long-term. Economic theory, conveniently enough, assumes that in a perfectly competitive market, long-term economic profit is zero, but since we don’t have a perfectly competitive anything, long-term profit is all but impossible to examine. Even short-term profit is a pain to measure; any analysis of economic profit in an entity as large as a firm is going to be expensive and time-consuming. Unfortunately, it is also important, because firms that have negative economic profits will eventually scale back operations, and positive economic profits will draw investment. Let’s go back to the example of the lemonade stand: in the course of operating his stand, Harry has spent $20 and the better part of a day to get $30 back. This, of course, means that Harry has a positive accounting profit. His classmates, however, don’t feel the need to get in on the action–they’re making $35 a day mowing lawns for the same amount of work that Harry’s getting $10! Assuming that there’s still an opportunity for Harry to get in on that deal, he’s eventually going to stop selling lemonade, and is going to start mowing lawns, instead.

            There are many other factors in measuring economic profit (personal satisfaction, “locked in” jobs, etc.), but the basic principle remains: because economic profit is what someone is actually getting back for their investment, the following claims hold true: 1) If economic profits are positive, firms will enter the market and prices will fall until profits are zero (in the fake, frictionless world of “perfect competition”). 2) If economic profits are negative, firms will exit and prices will rise until profits are zero. 3) When profits are zero, firms will neither exit nor leave, because other courses of action, including exit, won’t increase their profit (remember that economic profit includes opportunity cost), and there isn’t any profit to justify outside firms swooping in to try to get a piece of the cake.

            Because accounting profit doesn’t account for these factors, there’s no way that any moralistic scheme looking to accurately assess profit, much less “windfall” or unethical profit, can do so realistically or efficiently, especially in a dynamic market where profits are prone to change. Because this reduces profit taxes to an alternative taxation scheme, we can now say that ACES is not morally superior to any other form of taxation (an argument that has been made by a couple of Palin supporters), and can proceed with a dispassionate analysis of the merits of ACES as a taxation scheme. It really applies more to Obama-style “windfall profits” taxation supporters and populists, who tend to support such measures on the basis that profits are unethical, than conservatives: if profits are unethical (not my belief), then you have to concentrate on actual profits, and not what’s left over after accounts have been paid (which is only a part of profits).

            Let me see if I understand your fourth paragraph: are you saying that if Exxon can come to a decision concerning its own profitability, then government can, too? If so, then I’d refer you to Hayek, who basically argues that unlike government, business has an incentive (competition) to look for information, and to be honest to itself (if not to others) about its own profitability. Government has no such incentive. Because it is costly to acquire said information, it’s less likely that the government, which doesn’t get anything in return for accurately assessing profit, will look as hard as businesses to find out what profit is. In fact, the incentive for government is to designate as much income as possible as “profit”, because that means that it has more income to play with.

            None of your concerns or questions were stupid or na?ve, I though that they were very well thought out and reasonable. You’d have to go to a public university and talk to an ethnic studies professor about politics to find truly na?ve questions or comments on economics and politics :)

          • Warrior

            my fourth paragraph is asking the question, besides intangibles, why can’t an oil company subtract how much it spends in AK from how much it makes and use that figure as “profit”?

            And, though I’ve read “The Road to Surfdom” I claim no true insight regarding high economic theory. I do dispute this statement you attribute to Hayek: “Government has no such incentive. Because it is costly to acquire said information, it?s less likely that the government, which doesn?t get anything in return for accurately assessing profit, will look as hard as businesses to find out what profit is.” It could be accurately modified as “Gubmint doesn’t get anything ‘EXTRA’ from accurately assessing profits”, i.e. beyond what is reasonable fair and just, which in my mind is ten percent. If the Lord only asks for 10 %, then gubmint sure as he)) ought not be asking for any more.

            I guess we may both be assuming the honesty (ethicality?) of one interest and the venality of the other: gubmint on my part and business on yours. Certainly a business has a vested interest in being honest with itself. If business could accurately and honestly share profit figures w/gubmint and gubmint would presume to take no more than its’ fair share (10%) we might could come to an accomodation. Somehow, I don’t ever see this happening.

            I guess this is what John Adams meant when he said: ?Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.? That is, laws and contracts don’t work if no one obeys or abides by them.

          • aesthete

            The points for which he is famous in economics are that:

            1) Prices convey vital information to businesses.

            2) Government, as a central authority, cannot manage a modern economy, because of all of the information problems that it has.

            Warrior, state governments gets absolutely nothing short-term for accurately calculating and ascertaining profit. Zip, Zilch, Nada. The voters aren’t going to thank them, the information won’t help make them money, and it will placate no major constituency. In fact, it would be counter-productive, because economic profit < accounting profit, and as such government would lose out on revenue. Long-term, there are some pros to accurately calculating profit, but most of those in government tend to agree with Keynes’ statement that, “in the long run, we are all dead.”

            I don’t assume honesty to either institution: businessmen lie with the best of them. But businesses are stuck with two options: accurately assessing their profitability, or not doing so. Not doing so means that they will either die (if profits are negative), or they will get upended (when profits are positive). Calculating profit is enormously difficult for businesses; if it weren’t we’d still be buying the kids Sega Dreamcast 360s for Christmas, and paying for our groceries at A&P’s.

            Thanks for the great discussion. Hopefully, it at least helped explain some of the difficulties with profits taxes.

          • Warrior

            What I was saying though, was that if gubmint ties tax to in-state profits as a function of in-state production, it would receive nothing extra than the stated tax amount from accurate knowledge of company profits. In other words, it would only know how much to tax. 100 barrels at $70 a piece = $700 production, taxed @ 10% = $70. Only the business has an incentive to fudge the numbers assuming an honest gubmint. (Yeah, I know — a huge assumption these days.)

            And the point made by scope below bothers me as well. Have unions squeezed the companies to the point that they would need a gubmint bail-out without the alternative (global) resources they possess and is that your point? They are having to use “creative accounting” techniques to make a profit in view of the fact that unions are putting the squeeze on them and they could not do so otherwise, that is , from a strictly state-bounded “accounting profit” sense. Which brings us to the real danger, Since Exxon et al have the international resources and thus the ability to withstand union pressure, will that cause the unions to command their puppet, Dear Leader Obama, to make U.S. Oil another state enterprise?

            I’m willing to allow special exceptions and generous considerations to the state of Alaska because of its’ strategic importance to our country. I am also willing to do the same for America’s “Big Oil” companies and for the same reason. Unfortunately, the cretins who now own the WH and the Capitol Bldg may use similar reasoning (in their case it would “excuse-making”) to nationalize the U.S. Oil industry. What a nightmare that would be.

          • aesthete

            It’s that they *can*. Oil companies won’t shrivel up and die if they have to pay the tax, but, looking at things from their perspective, why should they pay it if they can simply relocate their profit centers for less? They certainly don’t need a bailout! Essentially, the tax scheme is too generous when oil companies aren’t making a profit, and too punitive when it is with a windfall profits tax.

            Company profits/barrel are still dependant on forces outside of AK’s government and control; better refinery tech, increased demand, etc I don’t see why AK’s revenue should depend on price.

            Reasons for nationalization abound for socialists; businesses doing well should be nationalized because they aren’t “doing their fair share”, and struggling businesses should be nationalized because government has to keep jobs/businesses from going under.

          • Warrior

            a Fixed rate, maybe adjusted for inflation or some such?

          • Scope

            on my diary.

            http://juneauempire.com/stories/072108/loc_307197582.shtml

            There is a very detailed account of what portions of profits by the oil companies came specifically from Alaska production. If you haven’t read it, please do. It will give you some idea as to the profitability of the oil companies, even after ACES was applied.

            As to the Trans Canada pipeline, have you considered that it may not be vaporware? I’ve read the same accounts of Exxon now wanting in on the project, now that it has been awarded to someone else. I do believe they will have some small portion of the project. I’ve also recently read where the permitting process, and the drawing board process is moving along according to schedule.

            I have had some real questions as to your insistence on recognizing “economic profit” as opposed to “accounting profit.” I see it as nothing more than an accounting gimmick. I am sure that any of the oil companies are doing “cost accounting” as a way of determining their net profit, and of course are on an accrual basis. I’m sure their accounts are finding every item possible to decrease their bottom lines, for tax purposes. ACES also includes many many tax incentives, and tax breaks for infrastructure and future development costs. Some time ago, I had read a shortened version of ACES, which highlighted the particular provisions which were favorable to the oil companies, but I can’t find it again. When it was designed, the legislators kept the fact in mind, that they were not attempting to bite the hand that fed them so to speak. The oil companies, understandably, don’t want to pay more than they have to pay. When Murkowski wanted to raise the PPT rate from I believe 20% to 21.5%, they screamed bloody murder. When the VECO scandal and corruption unfolded, it was because the VECO executives tried to buy lower tax rates.

            As to the accounting for the petroleum taxes, for the last 10 years at least, the monies were to go into a separate account, and were to be earmarked for certain state expenses. They made it into that account, and then were borrowed against when the budget came up short. In 2008, the first year when the higher taxes were realized, those funds that were depleted because of those loans, was paid back approx. $3 billion dollars. The rainy day fund was also increased for those times when the oil prices fall, and Alaska’s revenues drop.

            I have noticed that you talk about ACES in a moralistic sense. Keeping in mind that you are a Libertarian, is it possible that you are looking at the entire tax issue from the lens that all taxes are bad? If I were looking at ACES in a moral way, I would think that the fact that the citizens of the state are benefiting because they then don’t have the need to pay income, property or sales taxes, which helps all classes of people in that state. ACES has also been instrumental in the state of Alaska lowering it’s federal funding to 14%, from a 41.7% back just a few years ago.

          • Achance

            were at historic highs – ANS was over $140 bbl.. Then it crashed to the $50 range by the first of ’09. Palin, busy being famous, sent a budget to the Leg based on totally unrealistic revenue projections which then forced the Leg to both demand new projections but also to have to take the lead in making the spending cuts to meet projected revenue; further endearing her to them. ANS has settled into the $70 – 80 range for the last several months preventing any drastic budgetary issues. However, production continues to decline and is now only about 600K bbl./dy., down from a peak of over 2M bbl./dy., the real issue with Alaska’s revenue.

            What you and others miss is that there are very few oil provinces in the World left to which private oil companies have access. Most oil in in the hands of governments and only accessible by government owned producers. In addition to having tens of billions in infrastructure in Alaska, they stay here because there are relatively few places left in the World where they can go. That does not mean that they expand here; they’ve done almost nothing to expand development or increase production in a very long time.

          • Scope

            the old link I mean. I have been saying that Alaska’s petroleum revenues are volatile, as the price per barrel is volatile. I do realize that oil went down to somewhere around $30-$40 per barrel earlier this year. I know that means less revenue for Alaska and less profit for the oil companies. You have talked about production levels above, and in the past. Can’t alot of things affect production levels? maybe not to the extent that stock market prices can fluctuate, but to impair peak production? Is it not better to gain more state revenues from what is extracted and sold, at higher dollar values, than to depend on the oil companies ability to produce a certain number of barrels consistently. And, though I have not mentioned it, I am well aware of the federal government trying to control oil and gas before it is even pumped out of the ground. As I said above, ANWAR is off the table, the poor polar bears and caribou might not get a good nights sleep, boo hoo. And, I heard today that Salazar is going to institute even tougher mandates for oil and gas drilling. And, yes, I’ve read that Alaska still has the most abundant oil and gas resources, with new sources discovered not so long ago. Are there still areas, which have not been barred by the feds to drill for new oil?

            Achance, speak to me about the union costs for the oil workers? Have the unions there done what the AFL-CIO did to the auto companies. From what I saw on the financials, it seems that their legacy costs are one of the highest for the state, like so many other states. When does that end?

      • Tbone
  • Achance

    government perspective was the fact that the vertically integrated producers could move profit centers pretty much at will. ACES is a guarantee of years of litigation on each year’s taxation. A government simply cannot hire the forensic accountants and auditors necessary to do legal battle with Exxon. That is why the decision was made back in the ’70s to stick with a production tax because it was easier to measure. Even with a relatively simply production tax, we’ve been in court with the producers practically every year, and I don’t hold that against them; it is their job to pay as little tax as possible and ours to get as much as we can.

    The philosophical and political problem with ACES is that it is a powerful disincentive to new development, particularly new development by the major Alaska producers; BP, Exxon, and Conoco-Phillips. Under the best of circumstances Alaska oil is very expensive due to the remoteness and the environmental strictures principally but also because of Alaska’s taxation and labor costs – North Slope workers live really, really well. Consequently, new fields need high prices or they stay in the ground. ACES essentilly confiscates earnings off high-priced oil removing the incentive to develop new fields. That is why Alaska production is only about a third of what it was in the heyday of Prudhoe Bay; it is just too expensive to expand from Prudhoe Bay unless shortages on the World market force the price of oi up. ACES takes away any incentive to develop high cost fields since they can only be develped when the price of oil is high.

    • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

      I just have to say that I LOVE it when we are the big villains. It means that the price of oil is up and I am making money on my stocks.

      / twirls moustache

      Oh BTW, if you don’t like the energy industry then go ahead and freeze in the dark.