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About a month ago I started following and paying attention to the work of @JIDF on twitter. I am very pro- Israeli and feel we do not have enough advocates online. JIDF (Jewish Internet Defense Force) claims to do just that and therefore has my full support in that effort. However this past week I had a disagreement with @JIDF when he claimed Fox News host Glenn Beck was an anti-semite. Since that time JIDF has been on a non-stop crusade regarding the extent of Beck’s anti-Semitism. This has devolved into calling Beck advocates idiots and Anti-Semites as well. He claims they need to wake up and that there is lots of evidence of Beck’s hatred of Jews. JIDF also claimed that no one could refute his facts and Beck supporters are just crazy for disagreeing. All of this came as a shock to me and many other people who have watched Beck and consider him very pro-Israeli and see no evidence of him hating Jews. Now JIDF is even claiming Fox News is somehow anti-Israeli. JIDF posted a recording where he explained his evidence of Beck’s anti-semitism. I noticed just a few minutes in that besides the attack words many pieces of the evidence were things I knew were untrue or unfair left wing attacks by anti-Beck groups.

I watched Beck for years, and still do many days. I disagree with a lot of his conclusions (many times overestimates left and 2 conspiratorial), but also think he points out and finds a lot of important material. Furthermore, Beck daily tells his audience not to believe what he says, but to do their own research. Something no other host does. He often advocates for extensive reading and historical learning. In the spirit of openness and education and to encourage JIDF to do the same thing he states to Beck fans in “waking up”, I am now doing what he claimed was impossible; responding to his evidence of Beck’s Anti-Semitism.

Claim 1) Beck Claimed that Jews killed Jesus

Not true. He didn’t say Jews killed Jesus. In the show liberal bloggers refer too, He actually made the point that Jesus was not vengeful because he didn’t come back and take revenge on Jews. Jesus coming back to life is a matter of Christian doctrine, not historical argument, but it is a historical fact Jews turned Jesus over to the Romans (who were the ones who actually killed him), which is why he would take revenge on them. Mentioning historical fact is not Anti Semitic. This has been used as an excuse for Christians to hate Jews in the past, but that was not what Beck was promoting in talking about this.

Claim 2) Beck consistently trivializes the holocaust. I had 7 great grandparents killed during the Holocaust so I do not take this claim lightly. As someone who has seen and head Beck talk about it a lot, which I seriously doubt JIDF has beyond what seems like Media Matters clips, I have never found his commentary trivializing. One of the most important things that the Jewish people decided after the holocaust was the “Never Again”, the only way you can ensure that is to be aware of what happened and be able to learn from it. Beck does make comparison to certain elements of Germany in the 20’s etc., but those are historical facts. I am not one of those people who buy’s the ADL idea that the holocaust is never to be referenced. Beck has never said that anything being done is equivalent to the holocaust or what Germans did. He points to specific things like that Goebbels wrote about being influenced by progressives, these are facts not trivializations. Even if you disagree with this point it does not make someone an anti-semite.

Claim 3) Beck promoted Nazi Sympathizer Elizabeth Dilling. Now this claim came directly from Media Matters (Israeli Hating Soros funded MMFA.. no irony here.. and btw several of the people congratulating JIDF for his Beck commentary are openly anti Israeli.. this doesn’t give him pause it seems). If you actually listen to what happened, Beck referred to a book Dilling wrote about exposing communist threat in American in the 20’s, 30’s (which was real and also supported Jew killer Stalin and Hitler until he turned on Stalin). Now unlike what MMFA implies there is no way someone just reading that book, The Red Network: A Who’s Who and Handbook of Radicalism for Patriots, could possibly know Dilling was an anti-Semite. Beck was promoting her exposure of communists, not her views on Jews. Not to mention Beck promotes a new historical book on almost a daily basis. So how does promoting a book that has nothing to do with jews by a person whose views about jews would take serious investigation make someone an anti semite.. besides in the eyes of a partisan Media Matters? idk

Claim 3) Beck only supports Israel to please viewers or because he wants all of them to convert after we all move to Israel. 1) Beck has never said the conversion thing. 2) I don’t care what someone’s motivation for supporting us is, considering all the people who don’t. 3) The viewer arguing is also devoid of fact as Beck used to defend Israel a lot on CNN headline news, where he did not have the same size or demographic audience.. JIDF has no evidence of these not being his real beliefs.

Claim 4) Beck compared Reform Judaism to Radicalized Islam. He was specifically talking about their approach to religion v. politics, not the ideologies in general. This one is true, but what JIDF fails to mention was this was one offhand comment that Beck almost immediately apologized for: “In an apology on his radio program Thursday, Beck said he had made “one of the worst analogies of all time” in saying on a radio show on Tuesday that, like Islamic extremists, Reform rabbis place politics ahead of religion. He delivered a special apology to Anti-Defamation League National Director Abraham Foxman, who was among the Jewish leaders who slammed Beck for his comments and demanded he apologize.”

Claim 5) Beck made list of worst people in history or world and didn’t include Hitler and included almost all Jews. This lie came from Jeffrey Goldberg at The Atlantic (the same guy who claimed this week that Israel-hating J Street are Zionists)

This came from a show Beck did exposing George Soros and his organization. Even JIDF has admitted Soros is a self hating Jew (and I only say Jew by the traditional definition of being born that way, as he himself sais he no longer believes in the religion). Admittedly Beck painted an over conspiratorial picture of Soros and his organization, but at no point did Beck mention anything about him being Jewish (instead based on his far left organization which is involved in many subjects and heavily funded by Soros). As Beck also pointed out in that show, Soros also actually helped Nazis collect Jewish property during the Holocaust and worst of all has said he does not regret his actions. In any case JIDF points to Hitler not being on the list, but if he bothered to read beyond the Media Matters talking points he would have seen it is a list of CURRENT people Beck sees as contributing to the “era of the big lie”. Yes eight of the people happened to be Jews, but ALL of them were liberals. More importantly they were involved with modern progressivism either now or its start and several of them have renounced their religion. JIDF of course is either unaware or ignores all of these facts. He refuses to consider that maybe Beck really does go after people he believes are hurting America, or Progressives. So is Beck not supposed to mention these people or his ideas if they happen to be Jewish.. this is like the Al Sharpton theory of anti-Semitism. It is hard to overplay the anti-Semite card because so much of it out there, but that is exactly what is being done in this case. This only hurt the cause of defending Israel and Jews, of which Beck is a big supporter as you can see by the video below from his show just the other day. Did I mention Beck was almost the only news program I saw cover the Fogel family being killed in Itamar in the days immediately following? You can disagree with Beck, but to call him an anti semite, much less focus on him with all the real Antisemitism going on is just not helpful to the cause of defending Jews.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/03/glenn-beck-i-stand-with-israel.html

COMMENTS

  • agconservative

    I had a debate with JIDF on twitter where he ignored all of the facts and resulted in name calling and blocking me, while deceptively editing which tweets his followers could see. He also made wild claims with zero facts like that the book was justifying nazi actions towards jews. Just sad

    • http://itsaboutliberty.com bigalsouth

      Being blocked at any forum that welcomes or solicits “open” debate is the first clue that a non-democratic, sinister agenda is at play. Look, Soros was successful in rounding up a hundred Rabbis who would sign a letter objecting to Beck’s supposed Anti-semitism. I have listened to Beck for a couple of years and he is as much a defender of Israel as I am.

  • agconservative

    btw sry everyone in advance for the horrible grammar in this. It was typed at a late hour and in a hurry, mostly as a response.

  • Ann_W

    Strange that they chose him to pick on of all people out there. He is pretty pro-Israel.

    • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

      I can’t believe anyone would even try to claim otherwise.

      But then, they tried to say SARAH PALIN was anti-Semitic, too!

      Methinks somebody’s got some issues and is PROJECTING their own demons onto their enemies….

  • CJB68

       I can agree with you on many points about Glenn Beck here.  While the man does come across as the “Paranoid Conspiracy Theorist” at times, there’s nothing in his monologues which betrays anything like anti-semitism on his part.  Rather, it may well be individuals like JIDF (whom I could presume may actually be a leftist hiding behind the label) who’re the real anti-semites.  For all his fear-mongering (as I see it), Beck is far from bearing malice towards anyone.

       What I’m thinking now about this fellow and others like him is that they’re really leftist agitprops who wear the “Defender of Jews” label to cover their real agenda, which is to sell the rest of us to that modern day equivalent of Rome for their 30 pieces of silver.  Beck may well become the martyr for our cause, if they succeed as he fears they may do.

    • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

      Maybe I’m remembering wrong, but I seem to remember Geller going after them. Any enemy of Pam Geller is probably an enemy of mine! I remember I had had JIDF as a “like” on my Facebook, and then read or heard something about them that was awful enough to get me to promptly UN-like them! And I believe it was that they’d done a smear campaign against Pam Geller..

      It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they’re a bunch of leftist provocateurs. I have a depressing feeling that there’s going to be a LOT of that kind of thing between now and November 2012…

  • agconservative

    He may not be a leftist (though I do not know his political leanings despite his claim of being a rw), but he is definitely ignorant. More importantly as I proved he clearly gets hsi information from biased sources and won’t even admit it. Many of the things he said were only portrayed that way by Media Matters etc., and even doing a little research or finding the audio would have let him know that is not what happened. Instead he name calls and when people that are clearly more informed and intelligent then him openly debate him he turns to name calling and proclamations about how he is correct. The sad part is I was really trying to have an honest debate and he showed his immaturity and inability to maintain one. So now I just want to expose him for the hack that he is.

    Jews do not need someone who does not allow dissenting opinion and promotes ignorance running around telling our friends they are antisemites. People like Beck, even when you disagree with him,, stand up for our cause and deserve us to stand up for them when being attacked unfairly. JIDF can stick to his Jew hating allies at MMFA and on the left.. I will take Glenn Beck any day.

    • Common_Cents

      It’s about time. Just like we needed a crisis like an oBOMBa presidency to finally wake up, we’ll need a media war to finally wake up and take on the blatant propagandist media once and for all.

      Well, once we replace the R establishment squishes that suck up to a camera.

    • Finrod

      Tell JIDF that *he* is an anti-Semite for using the known Jew-haters at Media Mutters as a source of information. Turnabout is fair play after all.

  • pappenjazz

    Clearly JDF is a mouthpiece for Liberals/Progressives/Media Matters–always ready to spew hate/lies about FoxNews/GlenBeck/Palin/TeaParty/etc. What he and others like him are Attempting to do is Shut-Up the Center and Right by OVERWHELMING them with Lies. It’s Important to Read/Research/Stay Informed/be prepared to destroy their ridiculous Claims of evidence/Lightweight Arguments and Zero in on Truth!

    I only Wish More US Jews (Particularly Leaders) were as Concerned About the safety of Israel as GlennBeck! Do you suppose It’ll take Antisemitism Ramping up in the US–The SIGNS already there–for the veils to be Lifted and they WAKE-UP?

    Pappernjazz