Even after 11 months of discussion, debate, and becoming the human representation of TMI folks still don’t understand the disconnect between a national almost cultlike figure named Sarah Palin, and who and what she is as the governor of Alaska. I’m not a political insider, just someone who the Chosen One pushed towards activism. The issues on my end are policy and executive competence. I’m not going to replay all that now, it doesn’t much matter, but at the end of the day, I don’t think she left the office in better shape than she started. Of course we can’t give a final grade until we see how the pipeline works out, but at this point I don’t see it happening. Yes she personally lives her beliefs as what I’d call a “gut conservative” but pretty much everything else she did as governor before the call from McCain was popularity driven. As I stated in another post, I think if she has a national future, it probably comes as a Buchanan/Perot thing. Even in her quit speech, it was clear just how separate she is from the Republican mainstream. Her political worldview to the extent it is developed, appears to be pure populist. The Republican Party in Alaska is a disaster at this point. I’m not exagerating when I say you have to plan carefully who sits where, since some people won’t sit together. Gov Palin had to bring her own radio flack to introduce her at a Michael Reagan talk because she disliked the emcee of the event. Sean Parnell is liked by most, bright, competent, has zero charisma (Don Young called him Captain Zero). I think we’ll see a lot more Republican comity up here at least for awhile, and we need it.
On the national stuff, a pox on all their houses. Even as a non Palin fan, the way the media treated her was unconscionable. Yes we know politics is a bloodsport, but you destroy someone *politically* you don’t destroy them *personally.” In a rational world, there are a few people out there that Todd would have had every right to beat the crap out of. McCain used her. She wasn’t ready for prime time and he knew it. Staff started leaking stuff about her ..DURING THE ELECTION. You just don’t do that. I can’t think of another national candidate backstabbed by staff before voting day.
She did bring a lot of this on herself. A number of her advisers were already underqualified when she was mayor of Wasilla. What in the world was she thinking when she helped feed the shark attack by talking to the tabloids???? Another negative is that to a large extent she was brought down by a couple of local bloggers in a version of the unpopular girls taking out the popular cheerleader in a catfight. Now the dems have another weapon, we don’t play that game well, this age truly is the Revenge of the Nerds.
The final piece of this has been her cult followers (and NO I’m NOT saying that every Palin supporter is a cultist). Obviously we want votes wherever we can get them but the cultists just managed to make us look bad, sometimes fight amongst ourselves, and distract us from more important things. Whatever break she is taking from politics ..Single issue Palinbots …PLEASE …find a new hobby! Build a shrine to Michael Jackson. Memorize 19th century baseball statistics become an expert in the Japanese game of Go (I especially recommend this one), just move on to whatever the inevitable next interest/fad/religion is. If you can recruit a Ron Paul nut or two to go with you so much the better. You will doing Republicans a favor, you will be doing sane conservatives a favor, you will even be doing Gov. Palin a favor. At this rate it is a matter of time before some unrequited worshipper tries to pull a Mark David Chapman on her.

Well said!
SteveLA Saturday, July 4th at 6:59PM EDT (link)AkSteveB
I’m into conservative standards of governance, and far as I can tell Governor Palin has been a C level politician at best. This latest move to resign office after only 30 months has lowered that grade a bunch.
If the elections of 06 and 08 and the national nightmare of Obama is telling us nothing, it’s people are looking for competent managers of government. I don’t see how anyone who looks realistically at how Governor Palin not only governed Alaska or has chosen to leave her office can be impressed if you think competent conservative governance is important.
I wish the Governor and her family all the best in the future. May her book sell well, may FOX offer her a big contract to appear as a talking head, may she make a bundle out on the public speaking trail, all the best should come her and her families way. But please, don’t tell me that competent conservative management of government is personified in Governor Sarah Palin, it’s just unbelievable.
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almost well said
pilgrim Saturday, July 4th at 8:19PM EDT (link)AKSteveB is just talking out of his hat at first when he says that Satah Palin’s political worldview is populist, and she will be like Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot. I also don’t think that AKSteveB can speak on behalf of all the Republican mainstream, and say that she is separate.
The rest of the diary that is about Alaska, and the personality conflicts between and among Alaskans was well said.
It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge
I should let AK speak for himself, but
mbecker908 Saturday, July 4th at 8:27PM EDT (link)from what I’ve seen as an outsider, she was pretty “populist” in a personal political way. She threw bunches of $$ at people who liked her and took it from those who didn’t. She would not appear to be a fiscal conservative on the state level since the last time I looked the state was spending one hell of a lot more than before she got elected.
Alaska's deficit is not as bad as Arizona's
pilgrim Saturday, July 4th at 8:43PM EDT (link)http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/interactives/_national/state_budget_gaps/index.html?SITE=YAHOO&SECTION=HOME
It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge
Apples and oranges.
mbecker908 Saturday, July 4th at 8:56PM EDT (link)Alaska is the only state in the Union that actually owns the state’s resources and sell them on the open market. Not only does AK not have a deficit, they are - last time I looked - in the black. AK is unique in their ability to fund their state, so unique that the only real measure that is comparable to the lower 48 is the rate of increase in their state budget.
As far as AZ is concerned, we are in deep stuff. Our former Dem Governor didn’t help, our current SortOfRepublican Governor is no better and maybe worse, and the Republicans in the State House are no help, other than a fantastic cadre of Freshmen reps and a couple of obnoxious old guys.
pilgrim there is pretty good evidence
AKSteveB Saturday, July 4th at 10:14PM EDT (link)Todd was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party which in reality gave up on succession ages ago, is where the Buchananite types tend to go. They both showed up at Buchanan Brigades get togethers. Todd is a longtime Union guy with a real hardon for the oil companies. Gov. Palin was much more of a “chicken in every pot” (think 1200 Dollar energy payment to every PFD recipient) than she was even a fiscal moderate. This is important because her appeal is much more to gut instinct than to movement conservatism. You are correct that the projection of where she goes is strictly mine. The Republican establishment was at least as responsible as the Lefties for knocking her down, and what she has is a visceral connection with a part of the base that hates establishment Republicans almost as much as it does Lefties. I think the comparison with Perot is a reach, his only real connection was to someone on the planet Nebula, but the Palin audience is the Buchanan audience, the Palin “vibe” is the Buchanan “vibe.” Remember the reaction to Buchanan’s 1992 convention speech and the reaction to Palin’s this year. Going back to T.R./BullMoose, this type of thing has always led to a third party. The difference at this point is that Buchanan actually knew his stuff while Palin at best is learning it.
Hell is other people - Sartre
her political worldview is just a projection by anybody
pilgrim Saturday, July 4th at 10:31PM EDT (link)This is the only part of this diary that I found any fault with. Nobody is going to know these matters until she writes a white paper for the Council of Foreign Relations, and gives speeches that have substance in them on her political worldviews. Please don’t confuse this comment as defending her political worldview. I can’t defend what I do not know.
It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge
I've seen no proof that Sarah Palin =Pat Buchanan
pilgrim Saturday, July 4th at 11:56PM EDT (link)Pat is very much an isolationist who opposes every trade agreement between the US and other countries that has come down the pike.
It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge
Pat Buchanan?
Kate_Shanahan Sunday, July 5th at 12:34AM EDT (link)Palin is certainly not there. Not even close. The Buchanan people are thugs. They do the dirty work for the suits. I wish Romney would ditch Bay Buchanan. She gives him a bad name.
As for Perot, you should read his books. We should have listened a little harder. A bit eccentric, but very shrewd businessman. His recommendations for our country were solid, and in retrospect, absolutely correct.
Kate
“It is the American vice, the democratic disease which expresses its tyranny by reducing everything unique to the level of the herd.” Henry Miller
Governor Palin's worldview is
mbecker908 Sunday, July 5th at 11:18AM EDT (link)ahhhh, unknown.
A reasonable case can be made for just about any position, whether it’s Buchanan/Perot or whatever. The whole point about her, at this point, is that we have no clue what she really stands for. Her speeches are simply platitudes with no specifics and no program ideas or concepts. Obama could get away with that, he’s a Democrat. Republicans can’t, especially after we elected GWB because he would restore pride in the Presidency.
Lots of people went with the AIP back in '90.
Achance Sunday, July 5th at 11:49AM EDT (link)When the open Republican Primary resulted in an unabashed liberal, Arliss Sturgelewski, being the Republican nominee for Governor, lots of people bolted the Party and went to the Alaska Independence Party and former Governor Walter Hickel. The AIP was just a flag of convenience. Governor Hickel, Mr. Republican, was elected to his second term not as a Republican but as the AIP candidate.
That said, about half the oilfield workers are constantly ducking as the black helicopters fly over and you can always start a spirited conversation about the Tri-Lateral Commission with them, so maybe Todd was an AIP type for reasons other than convenience in ‘90.
In Vino Veritas
"Don't do that" is looking darn competent to me compared to Zer∅ nt
6eorge Jetson Saturday, July 4th at 8:57PM EDT (link)nt
You mean Zer?? (nt)
Neil Stevens Sunday, July 5th at 11:26AM EDT (link)Want to run for conservatives? Give.
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Dang it, that might be a bug
Neil Stevens Sunday, July 5th at 11:26AM EDT (link)But I’m ont sure where the bug is. Will have to investigate.
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Test™ (nt)
Neil Stevens Sunday, July 5th at 11:28AM EDT (link)Want to run for conservatives? Give.
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Hmm. ¡™£¢?§¶•ªº€‹›??‡°·‚ (nt)
Neil Stevens Sunday, July 5th at 11:29AM EDT (link)Want to run for conservatives? Give.
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I don't know what your up to
mom2oneson Sunday, July 5th at 11:37AM EDT (link)but it sure is funny to see!
Safari: ?? (nt)
Neil Stevens Sunday, July 5th at 11:43AM EDT (link)Want to run for conservatives? Give.
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OK so it's not a browser bug
Neil Stevens Sunday, July 5th at 11:45AM EDT (link)Probably the PHP function I’m using just doesn’t handle UTF8 correctly.
Want to run for conservatives? Give.
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Neil buddy...
StandardCandle Tuesday, July 7th at 8:02PM EDT (link)there’s got to be a wp-include that will convert UTF-8…
i.e. here
“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. “ -James Madison
Neil buddy...
StandardCandle Tuesday, July 7th at 8:02PM EDT (link)there’s got to be a wp-include that will convert UTF-8…
i.e. here
“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. “ -James Madison
Well I don't want to *convert* utf8
Neil Stevens Tuesday, July 7th at 8:14PM EDT (link)I just want to eliminate HTML-sensitive characters, without wrecking other codepoints.
Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis
no such thing as bugs
David Hinz Sunday, July 5th at 11:32AM EDT (link)Those are “features”
The Minority Report — The HinzSight Report — TMRB.tv — MFOB “Miss Tagart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement.”
Like this?
6eorge Jetson Sunday, July 5th at 11:48AM EDT (link)5
Neil Stevens Sunday, July 5th at 11:51AM EDT (link)One more test: ??
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Oh that's interesting (nt)
Neil Stevens Sunday, July 5th at 11:51AM EDT (link)Want to run for conservatives? Give.
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Steve, I recommend laying in some alcohol.
mbecker908 Saturday, July 4th at 8:23PM EDT (link)Preferably an aged vintage. Unfortunately Neil has already zapped a couple of obnoxious ‘bots, but Gary is still here and there is always drkven who’s comparing Palin to von Stauffenberg.
Good writeup and we’ll see if this turns into chum for the little fish.
I think what it shows AkSteve is...
kyle8 Saturday, July 4th at 8:50PM EDT (link)the really sad, sorry state of conservative leadership in this era. So many people were so hungry to believe that there was someone out there who could lead them that they glommed onto a woman who was willing to articulate their desires.
In much the same way that the left attached all their aspirations to Obama for much the same reasons.
Myself, I would have been happy to vote for her, even with her flaws, but with the knowledge that she is just a politician, and rarely, do you get a person of real stature who can create real change.
I am not expecting a new Ronald Reagan anytime soon. But I would settle for a Calvin Coolidge.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
I would settle for a Grover Cleveland. n/t
pilgrim Saturday, July 4th at 8:53PM EDT (link).
It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge
Steve, you've identified what has been the lowest blow against Sarah
civil_truth Saturday, July 4th at 10:03PM EDT (link)I think McCain selected her to shore up conservative support, as he realized that too many were going to sit out the election otherwise. He wanted to shore up his right flank without him having to embrace conservatism himself more than giving lip service.
What I think really spooked McCain and his staff, though, was - ironically - Sarah’s convention speech. Suddenly they had a celebrity on their hands who was articulate and able to connect with voters, and who totally upstaged McCain. Suddenly the tail was wagging the dog in that the McCain campaign image was being defined by Sarah the conservative rather than by McCain the moderate. And that was something they had to underrmine, which they did. And that, along with McCain’s mishandling of the TARP issue, snatched certain defeat out of the jaws of a possible victory
And McCain did nothing to protect her back - not only during the election, as you note, but even now, 8 months later. That is a stain of dishonor on McCain.
And Rightly So!
So much for that
SteveLA Saturday, July 4th at 10:09PM EDT (link)“I have the greatest respect and affection for Sarah, Todd, and their family. I was deeply honored to have her as my running mate and believe she will continue to play an important leadership role in the Republican Party and our nation,” McCain said in a statement e-mailed to Reuters.
The statement by John McCain was made today, but I’m sure that’s not good enough.
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Competency over ideological purity
That and 25 cents etc. etc. nt
AKSteveB Saturday, July 4th at 10:16PM EDT (link)Hell is other people - Sartre
It's not doing anything for me
Cheryl Saturday, July 4th at 10:27PM EDT (link)reminds me of a limp handshake.
Steve, I really liked an earlier comment you made regarding generational gap differences, I’m a “tweener” too, the tail end of the boomers. If I were to get into her head, it would be a whole lot about protecting my kids and at the same time strategizing about how I’m going to take down the press.
Man - now THAT is really coming to Palin's defense
Jack_Savage Saturday, July 4th at 10:31PM EDT (link)Wow - I am so sorry I didn’t give every dime I had to John McCain. So gutsy, so timely and forceful. And I am sure somewhere in there, in code that only McCain staffers can understand, is a “come on guys, now cut it out - she’s gone now.”
Yep. Nobody I’d rather be in a political foxhole with.
Sack cloth and ashes maybe?
SteveLA Saturday, July 4th at 10:41PM EDT (link)J_S
So what, should McCain start to dress in sack cloth and ashes? Sit Shiva, tear his clothes, what would impress you?
The truth is McCain spoke well of Governor Palin, in a respectful and even in an admiring way in this email. If that’s not good enough for the Palin Bot brigade you lead…that’s your problem Spanky.
And while we’re at it, McCain has done more for this country as a Republican office holder over his long years of service which is not 30 months as a lightweight governor of a small state.
On this day, I choose to honor men and women like John McCain, his father, his grand father and his two sons serving on active duty.
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Competency over ideological purity
well SteveLA I would recommend you move from CA to AZ
pilgrim Saturday, July 4th at 10:50PM EDT (link)That way you could cast your vote for John McCain every six years until he dies. However, I will not recommend the move because I do not want mbecker908 to jump ugly on me for suggesting it.;^)
It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge
Love to vote for McCain
SteveLA Saturday, July 4th at 10:58PM EDT (link)My two choices over the last few years have been Di Fi, and Babs Boxer on the D. side and some easily forgettable R. Heck, I doubt very few could remember the last guy running for Senate on the R. side in CA, totally unforgettable.
Cast a vote for John McCain, darn right I’d be glad to.
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Competency over ideological purity
Dick Mountjoy
naraht Monday, July 6th at 4:36PM EDT (link)In 2006, Mountjoy was defeated by Di Fi (59%-35%).
In 2004, Bill Jones was defeated by BB (58%-38%)
I went to college in Mountjoy's AD
Neil Stevens Monday, July 13th at 9:44AM EDT (link)Or was it SD? I forget. Silly term limits.
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I was gonna respond
aesthete Saturday, July 4th at 11:09PM EDT (link)but you said it better.
Whatever one can say about her performance as Governor, I’d trade McCain for Palin in a heartbeat, no questions asked.
Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand
“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC
Here we go again
Jack_Savage Saturday, July 4th at 10:58PM EDT (link)McCain lost the election. He is a brave man, but an incompetent campaigner. He certainly served his country bravely, as has all of his family. Wrap yourself around in, breathe it in, love it, bask in the glow, but do not pretend it has anything to do with this discussion.
I love the way you and others dismiss anyone who might have the slightest positive thing to say about Palin as “PalinBots”. Perfect. Just remember that if it had not been for Sarah Palin, the carcass we were saddled with as a candidate would have been blown out even more than he was.
I am also glad you are impressed with what he has “done for his country” as a Republican office holder, because I sure as hell am not.
You know what would impress me, pal? Instead of this pathetic and tepid attempt at whatever it was supposed to accomplish, John McCain should have, a long time ago, told his advisors that if they did not STFU about Sarah Palin, he would make damn sure they would never work in the Republican Party again. Period. HE chose her as his Vice-President - not me. If she is a lightweight, talk to him. He chose her, he put her in the spotlight, then allowed the pathetic excuse for humans he called staff to stab her in the back as soon as the convention was over, without so much as a whimper.
This is not nearly so much about Palin as it is about the political cowards we have running this party and holding elected office. If you think anyone with a brain would put themselves on the line for these bastards going forward, you are wrong. That includes me.
You have your scalp, Steve, and you should be pleased with the part John McCain played in it.
John McCain WAS both a
mbecker908 Saturday, July 4th at 11:30PM EDT (link)brave and honorable man. Then he took off his Naval uniform, put on a suit and became a self-serving, politician who wouldn’t know “honor” if it fell on him. He has been nothing more than a cheap whore (with apologies to sex workers) since he got elected to House.
That said, he’s better than either CA Senator.
"he’s better than either CA Senator"
Flagstaff Saturday, July 4th at 11:47PM EDT (link)Now there’s a compliment!
Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!
While I'm on a roll then...
mbecker908 Sunday, July 5th at 12:06AM EDT (link)He’s better than either Senator from NY, NJ, MA and IL too.
don't forget Michigan
David Hinz Sunday, July 5th at 12:10AM EDT (link)…okay, you can go ahead and forget Michigan…
….everyone else does.
The Minority Report — The HinzSight Report — TMRB.tv — MFOB “Miss Tagart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement.”
Heh.
mbecker908 Sunday, July 5th at 12:14AM EDT (link)No, I’ll add MI to the list. I really didn’t want it to get any longer because I was concerned that folks would start thinking I was beginning to “like” McCain.
But hey, it’s the 4th of July! At least in MY time zone. So Dave, just for you, John McCain is better than either one of the idiot Senators from MI.
I have to add more people he's better than...
DONTREADONME Sunday, July 5th at 12:18AM EDT (link)Zerobama
Any of the czars
Biden
senators from MD, IL, maybe one senator from VA (Warner)
Colin Powell at least McCain didn’t vote for Zero…
man this list could go on and on.
“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth
You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar
David Hinz Sunday, July 5th at 12:23AM EDT (link)or so goes the toast we used to make….
The Minority Report — The HinzSight Report — TMRB.tv — MFOB “Miss Tagart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement.”
It's a close call,
Flagstaff Sunday, July 5th at 1:25AM EDT (link)but he’s better than the two from Maine, too.
Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!
I would take either Senator from ME over McCain.
mbecker908 Sunday, July 5th at 11:24AM EDT (link)While I would absolutely agree that they are both the political equivalent of fruit bats, they really do no “real” harm. I can only think of one vote where their eccentricity has hurt us and I’ve said before and still stand by the idea that the only reason they voted for the budget is because Specter went off the res and gave them cover. Had it not been for him, I think they could have been intimidated into a “R” vote.
McCain OTOH, has gone out of his way to really hurt the cause.
I think "fruit bats" is an apt description
Flagstaff Sunday, July 5th at 5:27PM EDT (link)for all three of them. Which leaves it a close call for me, but I wouldn’t argue with you.
Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!
It was RAW Talent
Chris Chatham Sunday, July 5th at 12:09AM EDT (link)I was born and raised in Ketchikan AK and moved out when I was 19 because I didn’t want to be confined on a small rock in SE Alaska.
Alaska politics was always a machine. My family still lives there liked Sarah Palin because she directly confronted that Alaskan political machine with the intention of breaking it. Her heart was in the right place because she never came off as somebody that was running for office just so they can gain more power and influence over the masses. She wanted the masses to have more power and influence over government.
It may have been too early to leap onto a national stage like this and she may have been blindsided by the snobbery and anger that has risen from the oligarchs of Washington or the radical left in every state in the union.
What the conservatives saw was potential. Even though she may not appear to know anything about foreign policy (although I think she’s smart enough NOT to condemn a Latin American country for following it’s constitution) or on other national issues but they say potential. They saw the same person Alaskan’s saw in her. Somebody that can break the long establish the Washington machine that uses liberty, freedom and your money as it’s fuel.
To paraphrase Glenn Beck-they believe that she can destroy the system.. Not join it.
These “PalinBots” as you call them are just the traditional conservatives that were hoping that somebody can come along that take Reagan’s torch and run with it for a while to remind the rest of the country of the finer things that are associated with conservatism. And they don’t want to let her go just yet.
They are holding on to one of Palin’s arms while the Alaskan republican welfare queens are holding on to the other while pure hate-mongering democrats trash her and her family while leaving her a $500,000 legal bill to pay.
I hope she does make a run for the White House. If not in 2012 then sometime down the road. If there were more politicians like here then there wouldn’t be any “PalinBots” in the lower 48 for AKSteveB to be mad about.
Chrisin206
this is one of the best posts on the subject
David Hinz Sunday, July 5th at 12:17AM EDT (link)and I think you hit the nail right on the head.
Two years ago RS and other right sites were all abuzz about the future Republican stars Palin and Jindal. Everyone agreed that THEY were the future that everyone hoped for the Republican Party — real Conservative leadership that was achieving results.
Then, while showing a lot of promise in AAA ball in the farm system, the Party candidate realized his arm was shot all to hell and he had no chance of winning another inning.
So he calls Palin up too soon. Facing a major league hitter is not quite the same as AAA — especially when all the hitters she faces are using corked bats.
The Minority Report — The HinzSight Report — TMRB.tv — MFOB “Miss Tagart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement.”
great baseball analogy, Dave
pilgrim Sunday, July 5th at 12:25AM EDT (link)The post also affirms AKSteveB’s point about fantasy creation. People had a fantasy for all of this potential in a national leader, and there was no solid written proof that the expertise for those national issues was there.
It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge
55555!
Rod_Patrick Sunday, July 5th at 12:29AM EDT (link)Palin phenomenon is telling the truth that Republicans have a “shortage” of leaders.
I see more “REAL” conservative/libertarian leaders in the TEA PARTIES than in the Congress or in the current basket of R Governors.
"Shortage?"
David Hinz Sunday, July 5th at 12:37AM EDT (link)Dare I note that we are bordering on “absence?”
Whenever we see any Conservative leadership coming from Washington, DC — we see him riding a white horse, wearing a mask, with an Indian sidekick…
The Minority Report — The HinzSight Report — TMRB.tv — MFOB “Miss Tagart, do you know the hallmark of the second-rater? It’s resentment of another man’s achievement.”
You know that won't last long.
Flagstaff Sunday, July 5th at 2:03AM EDT (link)I met a conservative lawyer at the tea party in Flagstaff today. He is running for Ann Kirkpatrick’s seat in Congress already. Although he only spoke for a few minutes, he struck me as head and shoulders above previous competitors. He doesn’t look like somebody’s uncle who should be selling shoes. He believes in conservatism, and he knows how to expound for it. He’s relatively young, but not a youngster.
I expect there are plenty more like him spread around the country. They will eventually topple the old guard. We need Jimmy Stewarts more than we need John Waynes.
Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!
Worse: not only did Palin face batters with corked bats
civil_truth Sunday, July 5th at 12:46PM EDT (link)Her manager told the opposing team’s manager the signals that her catcher was using to call for pitches.
And Rightly So!
Well said! (n/t)
Finrod Sunday, July 5th at 3:11AM EDT (link).
—
Finrod’s First Law of Bandwidth:
A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it takes the bandwidth of ten thousand.
Very well said! nt.
ocleverone Sunday, July 5th at 11:26AM EDT (link)To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
My take on Sarah Palin remained (note, past tense) the same throughout
ZootSuit Sunday, July 5th at 10:08PM EDT (link)I thought she had a great political future both before and after she was selected by John McCain as his running mate; and said so consistently both before and after she was selected as John McCain’s running mate. However, I also remained convined that she was NOT ready for the Federal office in 2008; irrespective of how badly the MSM treated her and they did threat her badly.
My problem was never with Sarah Palin herself but with many of her supporters. Quite frankly, the way many of them wanted her on the ticket simply or primarily because “she was a woman and would ‘win’ the women’s vote” and others who switched to supporting her after initially arguing themselves that she did not have the experience and/or other qualifications yet to be on the national ticket proved to me that many conservatives lacked integrity. The support that many so-called conservatives gave Bush for TARP 1 only a few weeks later only strengthened my point but that is neither here nor now. Sorry.
But as for Sarah Palin, I still had high hopes for her. Unfortunately, as time went on, she never really progressed, IMHO. She seemed content to simply speak in shibboleths and allow her Palinbots to carry on. I’m sorry, but I never heard her make an indepth argument for consrvatism; for example, like Mike Sanford did in wanting to reject the “stimulus” money. Instead, Sarah Palin releases press statements about her cutting the size of Alaska’s government when in actuality all she did was shift money around in a supplemental budget.
Sorry, but I was expecting, hoping for more.
It’s not that I dislike Sarah Palin — indeed, I still think I have a better opinion of her than Achance and AKSteveB — it just that the more I looked at her the less I was truly seeing. Maybe the problem was her Palinbots did not force her to grow: she always seemed to remain the young governor with not even one term of experience who would (hopefully, maybe) one day be ready for national office but not yet.
And now she is resigning.
Now, I don’t think she will ever go on to greater political office. Now, she will always be inexperienced.
I can understand her wanting to protect her family — although Bristol’s comment that “abstinence is not realistic for some teenagers” seems taken right out of the playbook of Planned Parenthood and did nothing to “protect” Sarah — but the liberal press is going to go after her whether she is in office or not. Even now, some of her supporters (and not all are Palinbots although many are) are (mistakenly) saying that this is a brilliant move on her part because now she can critisize Obama and the liberals without being attacked herself but does anyone really think her no longer being governor means she will not be a press target?
Although I have my concerns with Sarah Palin — and many more concerns with her most vociferous supports — her resigning is not a good thing for conservatism. And although, again, I can understand a decision to protect one’s family, this is a decision that she (and we) ultimately only have herself to “blame.”
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Zoot, you can't be a three-leg conservative and be governor of Alaska.
Achance Sunday, July 5th at 10:34PM EDT (link)Go back all the way to the little Intro to Sarah Palin diary I did the day she was announced and I said that in economic and Main Street conservative terms, Alaska is not a conservative state. It has enough social conservatives in it that a successful statewide candidate should probably be pro-life, though both US Senators are pro choice. That’s about it on the SoCon side.
Alaska is a libertarian state with a socialist economy. Pot is de jure legal in Southeast and de facto legal in the rest of the State. You don’t get divorced here; you lose your place in line. There are FAR more bars than churches and football and NASCAR come on at nine AM on Sunday; that’s Hell on church attendance.
Frankly, nobody who can genuinely fit into Alaska politics can fit into National politics, at least not National Republican politics. Sarah Palin could kinda, sorta make a good impression first because somebody else was writing her stuff and second because of the exotic aura of her mythical Alaskan identity; the Sarah you met ain’t the one I know. And then there’s the fact that the woman has never shown that she had even an inkling of knowledge about big picture politics, so she could just be whatever the script writers were making her.
In Vino Veritas
Achance, I'm finding it harder and harder to disagree with you
ZootSuit Sunday, July 5th at 10:57PM EDT (link)I just hoped that as she could develop to be the conservative that we all hoped she would she would eventually prove to be. Unfortunately, with time it seemed to be that there was no “there” there with her.
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political obituary for a 45 year old is a bit much
pilgrim Sunday, July 5th at 11:09PM EDT (link)I think the just like part of the title of this diary there has been a lot of fantasy creation by both the sycophants for Sarah, and also by those who seem to be absolutely certain that Sarah will never amount to anything. I do not have an opinion one way or another. What will be will be and only time will yield the answers.
It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge
It's not that I no longer think that Sarah will amount to anything
ZootSuit Sunday, July 5th at 11:21PM EDT (link)Although I confess that I am more of that opinion now that she has quit.
It’s just that — while I can understand, sympathize and possibly even agree with her decision to resign in order to protect her family — she now looks like a quitter to me. And that, quite frankly, makes me less likely to support her.
Although Sarah Palin has gone through a lot, can any of us imagine Ronald Reagan or even Margaret Thatcher (to use a woman as an example) resigning from office in such a way?
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actually I can imagine Ronald Reagan quitting something
pilgrim Sunday, July 5th at 11:31PM EDT (link)He quit the Democratic Party, and I am very happy that he did. But if you really want to imagine someone quitting, can you imagine what our world might be like today if George W. Bush had resigned with 18 months to go?
Seriously, I do get your point that Sarah quitting is not a way to get people likely to support you. I’m just saying that at 45 she is young enough to still get a second act before she is dead.
It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge
pilgrim, I somewhat agree but ...
ZootSuit Monday, July 6th at 8:06AM EDT (link)Because she has such a short political career — related to but still different from her relatuve youth — her “quitting” is what is going to define her to many people. Maybe neither the Sarah Palin loyalist nor her haters but the vast political middle. You ask them now who Sarah Palin is and the response will be something like, “the Vice Presidential nominee who quit before her first term was over.”
And let’s be real, the media is going to make certain that the public never forgets that. And being honest, although they will probably take a special glee out of reporting it about her, it still would be a legitimate point.
Moreover, this does go along with something that Achance once said and predicted: that Sarah Palin would not stick around as governor long enough to clean up the “mess” she created.
Note to Achance: I don’t think “mess” was the word you used but I do remember a post or diary or two by you where you said that Sarah Palin would find some way to avoid the consequencies of some of the political decisions she was making in Alaska.
Note also that, from the very little I know, I would not say that Palin is necessarily leaving Alaska in a mess. (Again, I will leave Achance and AKSteveB and others who know much better about Alaska to debate that one.) But I am saying that it does make her look like a quitter who is getting out now while the getting may be good.
And yes, I do think that will significantly hinder her political future.
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Just to clarify, Zootsuit,
Achance Monday, July 6th at 10:19AM EDT (link)She hasn’t “left a mess” of the State, but she has been instrumental in making a mess of the Republican Party of Alaska. I’ve said all along that she’d pull the pin while she could still tout her “success” with the gas pipeline, ethics, the :energy rebate,” etc. She has let the budget spiral out of control and played politics against the Legislture with last year’s budget so she could look good and play pander games.
Alaska desperately needs to increase oil production and her DNR has done almost nothing towards that end except capitulate to Exxon on the Pt. Thompson lease issue. I’d characterize her Department of Natural Resources management as perhaps her greatest error. She was so intent on being the un-Republican and, especially, the un-Murkowski that she attracted a number of dissidents and malcontents from the Murkowski Administration and among those were the upper level managers of DNR during the Murkowski Administration. These are the people who very noisily quit over the gas line contract that Murkowski negotiated with the producers. They first worked with the Democrats and some of the more politically ambitious Republicans to kill the gas line deal with the legislature. They then worked with candidate Palin to discredit both Murkowski and his COS as having made a corrupt bargain with the producers, this all happening with the FBI perp walking Alaska legislators in the background. On her election, she put them in charge of DNR and, strangely, not even the lefties have taken a hard look at the connections some of them have to TransCanada, the Canadian outfit with which her administration made a deal to build a gasline and gave them a half billion dollars in seed money. In any event, come ‘10, “Where’s the gas line?” and “Where’s the half-billion?” will be questions that candidate Palin would find difficult to answer.
Likewise, her ACES (Alaska’s Clear and Equitable Share) oil revenue scheme is based on the assumption of continuing very high oil prices. When the price is high, it is essentially a windfall profits tax. When the price is low, it produces very little revenue for Alaska. That can be somewhat justified with the long ago amortized legacy fields at Prudhoe Bay. It is, however, a major disincentive to the companies to develop other fields which are more remote or more expensive to develop. Generally, high prices motivate the producers to develop more costly prospects, but the ACES scheme takes away the profits they might expect from higher prices. In other words, it gave Alaska two or three years of astounding revenue, so much even that profligate Alaskans could not figure out how to spend it all. Those two or three years happened to coincide with Sarah Palin’s election to Governor and it is easy to be popular when you’re giving away money by the bucketful.
In any event, Sean Parnell is a solid if unremarkable political figure and a former legislator who should be able to have much better relations with the Legislature than Palin has had. He has some work to do as well to restore his relationship with the Republican Party here after his Palin-backed run against Don Young and his echoing her “kick them to the curb” attitude towards the now largely discredited FBI investigations.
Hopefully, Alaska politics can drop out of the National limelight beginning July 26th. The Democrats are usually pretty disciplined about simply ignoring opponents if giving them attention makes them better known or more popular. Their PDS is feeding her and the attacks have strengthened her support. Hell, they’ve even managed to make me feel sympathy for her, no easy task.
In Vino Veritas
Thanks, Achance, I honestly didn't -- and don't -- want to misrepresent you
ZootSuit Monday, July 6th at 11:24AM EDT (link)Still, the gist of what you write above still seems to be that you figured Palin would find a way to be gone before the “feces hits the device used for circulating air”: an evaluation and prediction for which I initially thought was too harsh of her but which her recent actions seem to support.
Again, please correct me if I am wrong and/or misunderstanding you.
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We're fine, Zootsuit. nt
Achance Monday, July 6th at 11:30AM EDT (link)In Vino Veritas
Life is full of Second Acts
Section9 Monday, July 6th at 12:35AM EDT (link)But I’ve always understood what Art went on about Sarah being unable to bring the Alaska Republicans together. Perhaps she would have as a lame duck, but there was no incentive for them to band together to help her out of the Ethics jams that the D’s kept putting her in.
Her problem was that she never made peace with Frank’s wing of the party, and it did cost her in the long run.
Unlike most on this board, I actually believe that Palin has a shot as a national candidate, only in the absence of two people: Jeb Bush and David Petraeus. The rest of our potential candidates out there are midgets.
Especially Mitt Romney. Anyone who lost his butt to a dead candidate like McCain last year deserves no one’s nomination going forward. Sarah is strong with the rank and file right now precisely because there are no Eisenhowers, Reagans, or Nixons astride the Republican landscape.
That’s what a lot of the RedState crowd doesn’t get. It’s a roomful of Midgets. In that environment, it’s easy for Mommy to come in and take over. Give her time on the stump, a good speech coach, and good policy people and she can be much better in two years’ time.
But right now, her job, if she wants out of any doghouse, is to do what she can to shave the Socialist majority in the House and the Senate. And if she does that, and does it to good effect, I would hope that a lot of you find time to thank her in November of next year.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill
Hey, Section9, if Comrade Obama can be President,
Achance Monday, July 6th at 2:25AM EDT (link)so can Sarah Palin. In many ways they’re cut from the same cloth; she’s a blank canvas that people paint on. That’s what got BHO elected.
Frankly, I’d support her for National office. It’s no secret that I don’t like her, but nobody who’s been around them much can like any politician. She’d be an arrogant, self-centered and self-serving POS, but, she’d be our POS, that’s about as good as it gets in politics.
In Vino Veritas
If Zero got the same media treatment as Palin, how long would he have lasted? nt
Common_Cents Monday, July 6th at 10:18AM EDT (link)Our media playing “who’s smarter than a fifth grader” with Palin only was dirty pool, and then attacking her family, disgusting.
Zero never would have risen above the title of community organizer. He doesn’t even know how many states we have.
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A cult of personality arises when a country’s leader uses mass media to create a heroic public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.[1] Cults of personality are often found in dictatorships.
I wouldn't want to see anyone get the media treatment
TNJim Monday, July 6th at 11:17AM EDT (link)Palin got, not even Zero. Major news outlets quoting bloggers who cite no sources, unfounded attacks on the family, baseless ethics charges. Yet in his case they chose to not even report on known facts. they just accepted that Ayers was just a guy in the neighborhood, that he never heard anti-american vitriol from Rev. Wright over 20 years, supporting an infanticide bill. Instead of investigating all that, the presstitutes in the MSM attacked the few news outlets that did raise those and other questions instead of investigating for themselves. If they had, well, Zero might have made State senator, even US senator, but wouldn’t have made president.
He could still safely be voting “present’ in either the Illinois state house or US Senate.
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honest question, Did she shrink the size of the Alaska government? nt
Vaughn Harold Monday, July 6th at 3:45PM EDT (link)Not in the slightest. There are more employees
AKSteveB Monday, July 6th at 4:35PM EDT (link)and higher budgets in almost all areas.
Hell is other people - Sartre
Thanks AKSteveB, you and Achance have opened
Vaughn Harold Tuesday, July 7th at 7:48AM EDT (link)my eyes, and I appreciate that. Thanks for the link below as well.
Here is a link to an article in todays Alaska Standard
AKSteveB Monday, July 6th at 5:20PM EDT (link)http://www.thealaskastandard.com/content/why-sarah-palin-failed
that I think gives a pretty good summary of her term as governor. The author Dan Fagan is a local talk show host in Anchorage, probably the closest thing we have to a Rush Limbaugh three legged stool conservative.
Hell is other people - Sartre