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I still consider myself a liberal.

I still plan on mostly voting for Democrats (if you don’t believe me, read my diary on DailyKos: http://www.dailykos.com/user/AmbroseBurnside).

However, having spent a lot of time immersed in the home of the radical left, I realize perhaps I share more opinions with the people here than I ever would have thought:

  1. Second Amendment:  I read too many diaries on Kos stating how we need to rethink this amendment.  How it is detrimental to our society.  How if we curtail individual gun ownership, somehow crime will magically disappear and we’ll all be happy.  I am a gun owner and a believer in the entire Bill of Rights; The Second Amendment being just as important as the other ones, as it guarantees one of the ways we protect the other amendments, let alone ourselves and our families.
  2. Being pro-life:  There it is just a sin.  Here, I imagine being pro-choice is a sin.  I sort of struggle between the two.  I am personally pro-life, but as a man, I don’t believe I should have any say regarding a woman’s body.  When I express this there, I am lambasted for not embodying the true “progressive cause.”  Is here any different?  By not being perfectly committed to the pro-life cause, will I get the same treatment here?  I guess we shall see.
  3. Combating Muslim extremism.   I am very worried about the perversion of Islam within our borders.  I’ve seen much evidence of Islamist training camps around the country, specifically in Red House, VA.  I don’t wish to say posters on DailyKos are not interested in combating Islamic terrorism, but I do think, for the most part, they think too much about respecting Islam to believe some of its followers could be threats to our way of life.

Don’t get me wrong, on most positions I agree with the Democrats and President Obama, but in these areas, I really do feel the conservatives are much stronger, and I wish you guys could present your arguments more successfully and pragmatic than is the case right now.

I come here in peace, not to start arguments, and I hope we can have a good conversation.

Thanks for having me on your site.

-AB

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  • ambroseburnside

    I come in peace.

    • $peciallist

      :)

      • ambroseburnside

        DailyKos to “go post at RedState.” I finally took them up on their suggestions.

        • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

          We are often a tad suspicious of peeps that signup and don’t tell us anything about themselves… usually means they are just here to troll around and then get inflammatory at some point so they can go back to Daily-Kooks and boast about themselves….

          Afraid to tell us what city/state you reside? Age? Gender? What you do/did for a living? etc…. Read some peeps Profiles for examples click on some names… though there are plenty of my fellow conservatives that hide behind blank profiles too (bothers me they feel the need to do that)….

          I’ve been meaning to stop over there to poke around again sometime… I was so proud to have irked them to the point they felt the need to poke at me over there in the past:

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          so painful to have to agree with you on that…. it hurts … So darn tired of being betrayed by our “supposed” Leaders…. Somebody please lock Mr. Bush in a closet somewhere so he can

          • ambroseburnside

            profile to be updated. Hold on one sec.

          • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

            From DC to Ohio…. good to know…. As I’ve said elsewhere, so far you seem reasonable and therefore there is hope for you (from our standpoint/perspective)…. But your situation of moving from Deep BLUE to RED (or PURPLE, and shifting because of all the Bluers moving and taking their failed “Progressive” mindsets with them) is of great concern to Conservatives Electoral concerns…. plus ACORN fudging numbers…. Perhaps you can appreciate that/this thought……

            But first let me throw out this… go back to Daily-Kooks and post how “friendly” we are being to you, because you are being friendly/reasonable, and see how quickly they beat the snot out of you about/over it…. ;-) lol ….

            Exporting BLUEism (Liberal, Progressive, Socialist, politics)….
            Liberals fleeing areas due to Failed Liberal Policies…. My First reaction is: “Let them suffer…” Trouble is other areas (Local Municipalities, Counties, and/or States) will suffer worse…

            That would be my first reaction… Let them suffer and maybe, just maybe, some of them will wake up!!! HOWEVER… We know the consequence of these things…

            Michiganders in the S.E. part of the State have seen the surrounding Counties (Oakland and Macomb, and still more being corrupted) of Wayne County (where Detroit, and surrounding Socialist communities reside) decay from being infested and infected by Socialists… er… Liberals/Progressives…. escaping the Policies and the Consequences of those Policies…. As Liberals flee, the morons still take their (level of stupidity and inability to have learned from their Voting mistakes) with them to corrupt the Governments of their new locales… Those Counties now help over-ride the will (and common-sense) of the rest of the State of Michigan in voting Socialist Governor (Canadian Born, they had to import an even more Leftist/Communist – the ones they had been running were apparently ‘too reasonable’) Jennifer Granholm and our Moronic Lefty Senators (Levin/Stabenow)…

            Folks in States surrounding CA have seen this same stupidity on the State level… As CA gets more and more Ridiculous/Pathetic in its Socialistic TAX/SPEND Policies some folks pick up and move (unfortunately) taking their bad attitudes and Voting behaviors with them infecting, infesting, corrupting, and DESTROYING, your States politics…. giving us todays warped Electoral College Maps (Red/Blue States) on Presidential nights (close the last couple and spilled over the top to give us Oblahblah this time)….

            The Mid-West has faced the same fate… With people fleeing IL and MI to other BLUE States…. Shading them evermore closer and closer (now over the top in many) to the BLUE!!!

          • http://brockwayfamily.spaces.live.com/ Erick Brockway

            If my wife or daughters were ever (God forbid) raped and impregnated, that would switch to pro-kill-the-satan-spawn in a nano second.
            That said, we’re pretty much on the same wavelength except I’ll never agree that taxes can be “fees“, that political correctness extends to our traditional hollidays, or that hack Chicago politicians make good Presidents.
            I don’t own a gun myself currently, but I shoot expert with an M-16A2 (actually A-1 lower with A-2 upper is what we’re currently stuck with).
            Good to meet someone coherrant from the “dark side of the force”.

          • mom2oneson

            I think everything should be done to keep the mother and child together before considering adoption, but it is available. Besides physical safety she would not have to live with the psychological trama of abortion if she carried the baby to term.

            The circumstances of conception should not determine if a baby is allowed to live.

          • mom2oneson

            I thought you meant the baby. :(
            The post below yours made it click! LOL

          • http://www.theproverbialtundra.com ambroseburnside

            If my wife or daughters were ever (God forbid) raped and impregnated, that would switch to pro-kill-the-satan-spawn in a nano second.

            I don’t have a wife nor a child right now, but I’m with you 100%.

            As far as being an expert shot with an M-16A2, I’ve never fired one personally. I’m a pretty good shot with my AK-47 though, and my Mossberg 500 keeps me feeling safe at night.

          • cump

            I will concur with the above. I do not believe in abortions for the sake of “convenience”. This practice should be outlawed. I also agree that (God Forbid) one of my family members were to be raped, my argument would be for a qualified medical team to abort the demon possessed DNA (satan-spawn is well worded).

            Next, the founding fathers (in their wisdom) gave Americans a choice to own a gun…or not. The Second Amendment simply guaranteed the pro-gun citizens to arm themselves in times of emergency, or to provide food. If you don’t want a gun, don’t own one. Don’t take mine away.

            Having worked with a branch of our Federal Law Enforcement Bureau on some issues, I can say that more of our citizens should be ‘alarmed’ of true Muslim doctrine, and their attempts to infiltrate the US culture. Examples include, beheadings that will not be factually reported upon, the desire to have Sharia Law surpass that of our US Laws, and the taking of US funds\grants to indoctrinate young muslim students into the muslim culture (within the US borders). We are witnessing an enemy intrusion into our borders.

            I’m beginning to read a book, Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged. It has been mentioned on this site before, and it may be a good read for you too. If I can complete it, it will be the first novel I have read in years.

          • DrShady

            I realize there is not unanimity on this point, even among conservatives, but the child of a rape is no more deserving of death than the victim. While I have tremendous sympathy for the impregnated victim of a sexual assault, her pain should not be given primacy over the innocent child. To use the term “Satan-spawned” is to imply that God would endorse the child’s murder, which is Biblically untenable.

            Liberals define morality via pragmatism; conservatives live by enduring principles, even when they are painfully inconvenient.

          • http://www.pisarikadoption.blogspot.com LeaOK

            neither did I and I have been a regular reader for over a year. I just updated mine too:).

    • Mike gamecock DeVine

      with your confessed exceptions. Good man

      • Mike gamecock DeVine

        will cause your conservative epiphany on economics as well.

        I know, I was a dem for 18 years.

    • OccamsRazor

      I think that quote alone defines you as a Conservative. :)

  • Jeff Weimer

    Conversation is what we are all about, here. I think you’ll find we here at Redstate will often agree to disagree, but we will not hesitate to engage the discussion and not throw bombs just because you are the “opposition”.

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    … so you get a break for now ;-)

    I can/will only speak for myself… I welcome honest and real opinion for debate… My guess is that if you are actually open for examining FACTS not Liberal hysteria and trumped up sciences you might change your thinking even a bit more….

    As long as you aren’t here to “pose” (NO MOBY – read the HELP links I’ll provide below) and just here to lay in wait to … well…. we’ll see……

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  • http://www.RedState.com/ETCartman Kenny Solomon

    I second Mr. Weimer’s post….. Please pull up a chair and sit a spell.

    You’ll find out 99.99% of Conservatives are not those Typical, Bitter, God-Clinging, Small-Thinking, Prejudicial, Bigoted, Gun Owning NASCAR Fans.

    Cheers !

    • ambroseburnside

      coming from quite the liberal metropolitan area. I ended up going to a somewhat conservative college in a rural location, though, and was exposed to a lot of new people and new ideas. Since then, friendship and hospitality have tended to cut through politics and we end up realizing that concentrating on what unites us is a lot more fun than the alternative.

      • http://www.RedState.com/ETCartman Kenny Solomon

        United is a key— Americans united defending our country via The Constitution and Bill Of Rights.

        The rest can be worked out in civil discourse of ideas with sane people.

        I’m originally from just outside NY City (Westchester County) and to say that was “quite a liberal metropolitan area” is an understatement.

        Again, welcome to RedState and Cheers !

        • http://brockwayfamily.spaces.live.com/ Erick Brockway

          guess they lose ;)

          • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

            If he goes to DailyKook (as I touched on elsewhere in this thread) and talk about how we treat him reasonably because he himself is being “reasonable” then he would be attacked at best and banned from there possibly.

          • http://www.theproverbialtundra.com ambroseburnside

            that I write a diary there about my experience (overwhelmingly positive so far) on RedState. I think am going to do that sometime this weekend. I have enough “mojo” on Kos right now, and am a trusted user, so I hope this wouldn’t lead to a banning of my user ID.

          • $peciallist

            I for one, TOTALLY disagree…nothing good can come from it

            For what purpose would you do that?…just post here and have fun

            You don’t need to brag about your treatment…I’ve got my eyes on you

            hmmmmm

          • George Claghorn

            You might get banned there, but you’re welcome here.

          • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

            … but it would prove a (our) point about who really is welcoming and forgiving and those that are not…. for the most part… there are some around here that have a bad day now and again (even I can have those) and go off the deep end and be less friendly, but we really try not to be that way… There are a significant amount of DailyKooks that purposefully come over here (we call them Trolls/Mobies – you’d know if you took me up on the suggestion to read those help files) just to “moderate” themselves for awhile but to ultimately make an ass of themselves so they can then go back and complain about how badly they were treated and ultimately banned because of their hostile behavior….

            Remember…. maintain your cool… even if someone has a bad day and gets hostile to you… remember to rise above and be the better person and stay calm and polite (this is a RIGHT site and Conservatives will always have more leeway than Leftists – the sites prerogative)…. Just ignore them and move on if nothing else and engage only those willing to have the “honest and open debate.”

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          • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

            ;-)

            PS: Pffft :P lol – never said I didn’t have bad days too

          • Moriah

            (I don’t post at Daily Kos, but I use this screen name at DU … to heck with anonymity, I’ve posted my real legal name both here and there actually.)

            It was the weekend that Governor Palin was announced as the VP choice, and I was astounded at the amount of venom and hypocrisy I was seeing. I am a feminist — that’s part of my liberalism. Seeing self-described feminists saying that a woman with a young child would be both a bad mother and a bad VP if they were to get the job, simply because they were a mother with a young child, made me physically ill.

            It peeved people off so much that I was accused of working for the RNC.

            Sometimes the truth hurts….

  • Vladimir

    Welcome.

    Scrape your shoes & leave your talking points at the door and we’ll get along just fine.

    • ambroseburnside

      you won’t hear any “change we can believe in” from me!

  • Jeff Weimer

    But I’d like to engage #2. I empathize with your reasoning, as everyone individually is sovereign as to his or her body. Let me take that reasoning a bit further. The person growing within her is definitively not her body, but that of a different human being. Just as you or I should not have a say regarding another person’s body, I argue she, morally, has no right regarding that new person’s body growing within her.

    • ambroseburnside

      If I was in the position of having a part in a pregnancy that the woman was considering aborting, I would be a strong advocate for her to keep it.

      That said, as a man, I could never possibly know what she was going through, and while the end result might disappoint me, I wouldn’t be comfortable in a law forcing her one way or another.

      I really do struggle with this issue.

      • janis

        thoughts of the others who have responded to you so far. As for abortion, you say that you could never possibly know what she was going through, but if you know about the abortion procedure, then you can have some understanding of the pain that the unborn feel when they are killed.

        It is my hope that as you engage more with those who comment here, and as you see more and more that the MSM never reports but that sites such as this do, that you will see Obama and his true intentions more clearly. In the meantime, it’s nice to have you!

      • StandardCandle

        Often debates on policy come down to anecdotal evidence and assumptions regarding the purpose and scope of the policy in question…

        Abortion is a highly emotional topic. In regards to abortion… I can understand your emotional response to a rational thought regarding the rights of another individual when it comes to public policy… this response is “conservative” in nature unless you look as the subject matter… Abortion is an issue that requires the consideration of rights of two or more individuals and therefore immediately becomes a debate about “me and my needs”…

        Given that pro-choicers advocate choice, the next question is what conditions govern which options that are available by choice? This comes down to the moral dogma of the chooser does it not? Since there are extremes on the issue of abortion, there will be hotly contested emotional reactions to both rational and irrational debate… this makes it nearly impossible to develop a public policy that meets the needs of all conditions without drawing some very definitive lines and offending specific moral dogmas.

        Futhermore, if we were to process statistics based on the aftermath of a moral choice I think we could reduce a lot of assumptions surrounding public policy that “infringes” upon “a woman’s right to her body”.

        From personal experience; My sister was raped at 15 and conceived. She carried the baby to term and utilized adoption. The child has been healthy and happy ever since. The adoptive parents were both professors at a local University. Abortion was considered the correct choice by my Father. Adoption was the only option according to my Mother. Yes, they had been divorced at the time… My sister was not religious, and the choice before her was complex for primarily social and emotional reasons, yet she chose adoption. She told me that her decision was based on two issues. 1. She spoke with counselors that had been trained in adoption and abortion issues. She felt they presented an objective view. She formulated her own opinions 2. She could not help but wonder what the potential of the child she was carrying could be.

        What I find to be most remarkable in all of this is that my sister did not take the decision lightly but determined what all of her options were before making a decision. That action alone demonstrates a willingness to consider others, and a selflessness that in my view should be highly respected.

        Now… the what ifs… sure what if she chose abortion… again… I would have respected the fact that she investigated all of her options. and what if the child literally becomes “the spawn of satan”… again… consequences to any decision are far reaching beyond the choice… and we can not know the future only the direction we are taking.

        I am of the opinion that closed adoptions are infinitely a greater outcome than any abortion so long as the adoptive environment provides great opportunities for I.Q, an E.Q. development.

        So where do I stand on Abortion? It is morally wrong with exceptions regarding instances where physical health of the mother or child is terminal, instances of rape regardless of statutory or non-statutory, or instance of incest or extreme physcological abuse has defined the emotional status of the mother to make her non-functional in society.

        I think Roe V. Wade was a piss poor stop gap solution that created and endless public debate on moral dogmas. I’d like to see an end to bench legislation for this reason. I think abortion like many other social issues tend to cause greater and more complex factions in this country than we can sustain politically and ecumenically.

        I suppose for me a “grey area” person on this issue really comes down to the scope of government’s role.

        I’d like to see government make policies on abortion that provide opportunities for an educated people and let them govern themselves.

        The issue of abortion for me makes me question the emotional and moral competency of our medical industry much more than it does the people or its government. When did we get on this train? And when can we get off?

  • mom2oneson

    Make a cup of coffee and visit for while!!!!! :-)

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    Why we may soon not recognize our country

    We did NOT get to this last Election overnight. It took time, and will get worse if we do not step up to combat it.

    Liberals migrate to Emotional endeavors, where opinions can be shaped. Journalism, Acting, Education.

    “Progressives” that dislike America the way it is and want to “Change” it to a “Socialist Democracy” (Tyranny of the Majority). “Ask not what your Country can do for you, but what you can do for your Country” gives way to “Government of the Handouts, by the Handouts, and all about the Handouts.” Where people get to vote themselves from the Government.

    Liberals ingrain themselves in the process, where Conservatives that believe in Small Government still live as if Govt actually still acts Constitutionally and Limited and willing to ensure the Limits are enforced.

    To a Liberal, a “Free and Fair Election” is that where the masses they’ve helped to dumb down over the decades can all be drummed up into a frenzy and march blindly to the Polls (this election hasn’t demonstrated that to you?)!

    Who are the ones always trumping up and rallying the troops to CHANGE Government through Activism!?!? PROGRESSIVES! Liberals are always willing to give more time to Bureaucratic endeavors. ACORN does not just exist to overload Voter Registration rosters, but to put as many people throughout the system just for times like this. In many jurisdictions the composition of these “Officials” may very well ALL be Liberal Democrats, and is just a matter of how closely they are being “observed” as to how much they will feel they are able to “get away with.”

    I understand that many of you haven’t seen this degree of attempting to shape outcomes. These people are not just in this for NOW. They have not just got here THIS YEAR! They have been working toward this for years!!!! They will be continuing to build the “opportunities” to FORCE outcomes by any means they can. The proximity to CHICAGO here is NO COINCIDENCE.

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  • $peciallist

    just trying to make you feel at home….

    • janis

      What?! No basket of organic zucchini muffins for the newbie? For shame. :-)

      • ambroseburnside

        I like zucchini, I like muffins, organic is cool, too. If you’re offering, I’ll taste it!

  • AKSteveB

    up on some other things. I’ve categorized myself as moderate, more than liberal, and we have endless discussions here about what that means, but I’ve been feeling myself falling off the fence towards full fledged conservatism, based on seeing what progressivism means at a national level. Does any of what Pres. Obama is doing on the economic front scare you at all.

    • janis

      Once you succumb to the charms of common sense and really look at how things work best, conservatism becomes just as natural as breathing. I gave in and took the full plunge on September 11th, 2001. Never have regretted it for a second and never have looked back. Life is easier without the fog of equivocation.

      • AKSteveB

        in this direction for most of my adult life. My first political cause was working against being forced to pay mandatory student fees to one of Ralph Naders “PIRG” groups in college. I’ve actually been on here mostly lurking for a few years now, but, well, by temperment, personality, whatever, I have an instinctive distrust of things that seem extreme. It’s a nice luxury to have when one has lived most of their lives in prosperous times. I was also so stunned by watching a CIC (Pres. Bush) who seemed so strong after 9/11 execute most of the rest of his administration so poorly which was then followed by an equally poorly executed campaign against a guy who “ran moderate.” and well, you know the rest. This is a time we’re all going to be forced back to first principles, and conservative ones are good ones.

        • Jack_Savage

          When I went to grad school they charged the mandatory PIRG fee, and I would pay it, then fill out the form I needed to in order to get my $1 back. I knew it cost them goodness knows how much to stroke me that $1 check, and I still smile when I think about it.

          Thanks for bringing back that great memory, and welcome. I look forward to presenting you with your One Year Chip in 2010.

          • From ME to You

            Genius….sheer GENIUS!! Love it, love it, LOVE IT!
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    • ambroseburnside

      I wasn’t a fan of the first bank bailout, and I’m not a fan of the continued bailing out of AIG, Citi, etc.

      If Obama’s mortgage-rescue plan is what he says it is, allowing for government restructuring (not assisting monetarily) of mortgages to help people stay in their homes, I’ll support that. But if it turns out to be what Santelli was talking about, I will not support that sort of plan.

      I believe we did need some sort of stimulus, and I tend to support more infrastructure-building than was even in the stimulus passed. I’m not against letting the “Bush tax cuts” expire to help pay for it, but it would be fair (I hate using that word) to tie that “tax increase” to cost of living, so a family making $300,000 in New York City won’t get hit by the tax as hard as a family making $300,000 in a rural area.

      • AKSteveB

        me before I replied. You are closer to “our” way thinking than you realize :) I disagree with you on letting the Bush tax cuts expire for ideological reasons that I’d guess you disagree with (the class warfare/envy thing), and pragmatic ones (you just don’t raise taxes in a struggling economy).

      • NightTwister

        You think the government should control a person’s income after living expenses? Why would you punish someone that chose to live in a rural area by taxing them more than someone that chose to live in an urban area?

        • http://www.theproverbialtundra.com ambroseburnside

          I think people should be able to fully deduct from federal taxes what they pay in state/local taxes.

          In lieu of that, if taxes were pegged to cost-of-living, I feel they would be more fairly assessed.

          • NightTwister

            …I should be required to subsidize another family that chooses to live in a location that is not?

            Pardon me, but that’s absurd. If you want to live in NYC, that’s your choice, but don’t expect me to subsidize it. If you can’t afford to live there on your own, or don’t like that you have to make sacrifices in other areas of your budget, then move somewhere else that’s more affordable.

            This is just another example of government getting involved where they don’t belong and engaging in class warfare.

  • AKSteveB

    up on some other things. I’ve categorized myself as moderate, more than liberal, and we have endless discussions here about what that means, but I’ve been feeling myself falling off the fence towards full fledged conservatism, based on seeing what progressivism means at a national level. Does any of what Pres. Obama is doing on the economic front scare you at all.

  • http://www.phxgonline.com phxg

    the total destruction of American business?

    • ambroseburnside

      referring to with your question, but if it was the stimulus, I think that if fewer people are out of work, that can only help American businesses.

      • AKSteveB

        actual stimulus in there. I’d sign off on infrastructure projects, temporarily expanding the safety net (e.g. extended Unemployment Benefits), as long as it was truly temporary … and few govt programs are … and putting teeth into securities/banking regulation, and whatever tax cuts could be put out there to encourage recovery, but the vast majority of what this administration is dong has nothing to do with any of that. It will at best be neutral on recovery, much more likely to delay it, then increase inflation. I think Rahm Emanuel said it best, Pres. Obama is not going to waste a good crisis by not seeking a move towards European Social Democracy.

      • http://www.phxgonline.com phxg

        1) The increasing of taxation upon the most successful (>$250K), those directly responsible for creating jobs. (inclusive of small business entities with sales (not incomes) of $250K+)

        2) The increasing of taxation upon ALL regardless of their income level (The sunset of the Bush tax cuts in 2010)

        3) The support of “Card Check” unionization efforts.

        4) The stimulus jobs created are temporary (and relatively specialized not open to the untrained) which will result in a secondary job loss situation in the years after 2010.

        5) The fact that every time he speaks to propose something the market takes a dive.

        I work in business, and I know and see the impact Obama is having and it is seriously depressing. Even hard core leftys I know (although affluent ones) are sitting in disbelief that their investments are tanking. While not yet ready to say the election was wrong, are seriously doubtful that they made the right decision.

        It’s a sad day when even I opine that Hillary would have been a better choice.

        • ambroseburnside

          1. I felt that a stimulus was necessary, and that we had to find a way to pay for it, if not fully, at lest avoid as much new debt as possible. I would have been in favor of an across the board tax increase, and willing to pay myself (I am nowhere near the $250k level). I do believe that stimulus dollars going towards infrastructure building will create new work for small businesses (contractors, road paving companies, etc.). Without this sort of stimulus, these sorts of businesses would truly be hurting worse than they are now, probably driving way down the former $250k+ earner’s take home pay.

          2. See 1. Jobs + higher taxes, in my opinion, is better than unemployment + lower taxes.

          3. Not sure how I feel about this. On one hand, the original system let management be the bullies. With the Employee Free Choice Act, it looks like it completely turns the tables. Somewhere in the middle would probably be best.

          4. That is a legitimate concern. However, as government spending is one of the surest ways to increase GDP, put people back to work NOW, get businesses investing again (new trucks, lathes, etc.) I think the potential payoff is well worth the risk of another job bubble popping.

          5. I’m not sure it’s fair to blame Obama for the market movements. If anything, his concentration on it has prevented a steeper decline. We saw what happened when Lehmen Brothers was allowed to go under. Imagine if he wasn’t assuring the market his administration has a plan to improve the situation.

          • http://www.phxgonline.com phxg

            and really I’m not. However, your ignorance of how the world works is astounding. The great thing about ignorance is that with a bit of effort and openness to learn, it can be cured.

            Your 5 responses were specific to each point, however mine was to the single general point that the Obama policies will fiscally harm every single person in America much more then is assumed. I know this not because I am so much smarter then the average person but because I believe in what the founders had in mind; a limited, non-interfering federal government WILL result in a freer, more successful nation for all.

            As you expand your views all I can suggest is to explore the principle that people who wish to control others, either by physical or financial means are never the solution for free peoples. America will survive the Obama presidency, 8 years of it should that occur; yet the recovery from it will be long lasting and limit the potential for success for a very long time.

            And if you think that you will not be impacted by the anti-American policies over the next 4 years you would be wrong. But don;t just take my word for it. Read the people that have the brain power to convey these facts here and over at New Ledger among many more.

          • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

            It IS in the middle now…. that is why the Left wants to drastically shift to card-check that will allow them to bully folks into the creation of Union representation WHERE THEY ALREADY HAVE THE PROCESS’ TO HAVE SECRET BALLOT TO VOTE A UNION IN….. That is NOT good enough for Union Bosses with shrinking Membership, and therefore (what they are most concerned with) Union DUES for them to use as slush funds for Democrat Politics….

            You do know that former Democrat Presidential Candidate Walter Mondale is even against card check? Right??? See this:

            The Unions are, of course, trumping up how this DOES NOT ELIMINATE THE CHOICE TO PICK A SECRET BALLOT….. LOL….. While true, the whole point/purpose is to avoid that CHOICE and to allow strong-arm tactics to force in a Union rather than to have an HONEST Secret Ballot about Unionization….

          • Jeff Weimer

            My take, simply, is that they want to change to voting from a primary system to a caucus. A primary is a private vote and a caucus is very public, and open to public pressure. A primary is less so. If you’ve ever participated in a caucus, you know what I mean.

            You say it turns the tables from the employer as the “bullies” to the union. That is somewhat true – the union will be given a blank check to bully 50%+1 in order to force arbitration. Right now, BOTH management and the union have the opportunity to plead their case before the “primary”, and that is right, as both management and labor are the principals in the discussion. Under card-check, the union can quietly accumulate the necessary votes to force the union in, without management even having their say. If the two parties can’t come to an agreement, an arbitrator will dictate the terms. It is conceivable, and quite probable, that 50%-1 may never even see a card to check their preference. That, in my opinion, is unconscionable, and undemocratic.

            It is true they won’t remove the current rule – 30% cards checked, goes to entire workforce private vote. They want to add the 50%+1 rule. That will make them work harder to get that, since it guarantees union representation in that workforce. Do you think they won’t use every tool they can to make that happen? Even if they DON’T talk to everyone? How would you feel if you were told one day, “We’re unionized, pay your dues” and you never knew it was coming?

            I don’t hate unions, they serve an important purpose – ensuring that the labor that helps bring revenue to a company is properly compensated for their efforts. To that end, they have helped increase prosperity and the middle class, ensure fair workforce rules, and protect the worker from being taken advantage of. It’s American, and it’s right (how many unions were there in the Soviet Bloc countries? How much trouble did they cause? Solidarnosc, anyone?) . But they also can go too far, too much of a good thing and all that. See the current issues with the U.S. Automakers and their expensive labor problems – paying people to not work, for example. And the UAW won’t budge in order to save their own jobs. Amazing.

            I get the feeling they don’t realize that the profitability of the companies has a direct impact on their membership – and the dues they pay to the union. Basically, no jobs, no union. They need to understand (again) that they are in somewhat of a partnership with management to ensure their company is a going concern – again no jobs, no union. They need to understand that compromise is vital if they want to still represent labor.

          • http://www.theproverbialtundra.com ambroseburnside

            the labor vs. management issue.

            I like the idea of a secret ballot (like we elect politicians with) to decide whether a workforce would become unionized.

            I also agree that unions have failed to realize (through their own own faults or because their overseas competition has inherent advantages (more government entitlements taking the place of company-covered health care, retirement, etc. or more lax environmental standards)). This may have to come through a reworking of our foreign trade agreements, because, honestly, how can our labor force compete with foreign ones where workers are treated horribly?

            There has to be a fair solution to both parties, though, as I don’t think the status-quo is the best way to handle things and is too skewed towards management.

          • Doc Holliday

            airlines, auto companies etc. these companies make no money. The airlines have not made a single dime in profit since the beggining of aviation! Why can’t employers choose who to employ and at what price? Why should unions hold companies hostage.

            This is happening all over the world, German unions negotiated absurd salaries to members, so the companies moved production to Eastern Europe and the union members make zero Euros an hour because they have no work.

            on the other hand, Japanese care makers are flourishing in right to work states in the South. Another example is Wal Mart, non unions, happy employees, and one of the only stocks going up.

            Unions were needed at one point to get fair labor laws, but those laws are now on the books. Unions now have crushed companies, another example is Boeing, the stock was over a $100 a year ago now it is in the 20s.

          • http://www.theproverbialtundra.com ambroseburnside

            They are there, but they need to be enforced.

            I’ll say it like the NRA says about gun control: “Enforce the laws already on the books.”

            If the laws are enforced correctly, as I don’t think they have been recently, under Clinton or Bush, then more blame can be assessed on the unions who haven’t been willing to compromise.

          • Jeff Weimer

            #1,2 &4 – I think we all would not have a problem with higher taxation – as long as it was across the board. A flat income tax (or the “fair tax”) we could understand and even get behind – as long as it funded legitimate expenses and was appropriate to these expenses. As far as the companies that would benefit – great! However, they are a only a certain segment of the small corporations around, and what happens when the money runs out? It’s probably true that infrastructure improvements have a long term benefit to the economy – the Eisenhower interstate freeways have immeasurably helped – but it takes decades to see the results (not that that’s a bad thing). Overall, “priming the pump” hasn’t worked as well as proponents have hoped – see the Japanese “lost decade” and even FDR’s efforts in the 30′s. I was in Japan early in that era, and I remember articles worrying it wouldn’t work – and they were right.

            The best way (and faster than your Keynesian idea) to increase the GDP is to encourage business by NOT taking their money to be distributed by the government – and that is what is proposed, make no bones about it. Take the taxes out at the margin – lower the rates for those that aren’t public, and lower the capital gains rates for those that are. It has bee shown that they ultimately INCREASE total revenue to the federal government while increasing employment. Yes, “trickle-down” works. Ask Bill Clinton – he lowered capital gains and ended up with a budget surplus (not only his credit, but you get the idea). I know, it’s counter intuitive – lower taxes means more money. At a certain point, it’s no longer true. Obviously at a certain point, no taxes means no revenue. We need tax money to fund essentials of the government. There is a point of less return. but we are not there right now, and that fact proposes that we are OVERtaxed.

            #5 – The market moves on it’s own. It takes into consideration many variables, including what the President says. His statements have done little to keep it up. You say it would be lower, I disagree. President Obama called the Dow “no more than a tracking poll”. In that, he is disastrously mistaken – a tracking poll is merely a gauge of opinion. The Dow (and the S&P 500 and the NASDAQ, etc.) carries REAL MONEY with it, and the fact that many “real Americans” retirement is tied up in the stock market means that many retirements are in jeopardy – many of those who Obama aims to help. IMHO, he would do better by dong nothing.

          • Jeff Weimer

            The Canadian Auto Workers union said it will begin

          • http://www.theproverbialtundra.com ambroseburnside

            In Canada, even if GM workers take a pay cut, there is a robust safety net, especially with health care (I’m not praising their health care system, but there is one for everyone).

            Taking a pay cut in Canada is a lot different than taking one here.

          • StandardCandle

            Taking a pay cut is Canada is just as bad if not worse regardless of the health care system. I’ll put the whole “Socialized Health Care” wonders aside for a moment…

            Canada’s prices move quite dramatically, so does the value of their dollar. Pay cuts affect your middle class budgets there and encourage very little investment from the middle class. Their middle class is more like our border line poverty group as far as earnings are concerned.

            Taking a pay cut in Canada doesn’t usually happen due to Unions, instead the corporations just close local sites down and lay off the workers and pay whatever Union agreements they are obligated to because its cheaper. They often blame economic reasons, rather than the fact that grocery baggers are paid upwards of 25 dollars an hour at the local Safeway. Often times the Unions will organize protests to pressure corporations to re-open the doors that last longer than the company logo stays up on the building. Some of the protestors are able to “work the system” to get paid by the government and the union to sit outside the building in shifts… often times it pays better to sit than to go get a new job and start tenure all over again with a different union.

            Beer and Hockey tend to numb the pain in your heart… which is nice… because if you actually have pain in your heart like my grandfather, they will put you a list to “do some tests” that will make you wait 3-5 weeks, and continue to pump you full of asprin and tell you to “take it easy” and “eat less fatty foods”.

            If you need surgery you’re put on a schedule that often takes months before you receive it or if you’re having some pesky cardiac arrest thing going on… and the ER isn’t too busy with the flu epedemic…

            I have known 3 people that have waited 3 weeks in a hospital bed for simple things like cardiograms… after having a heart attack. They were given asprin, and one of them was given “a new drug” that wasn’t out of its trial period yet… 2 of them died. 1 while waiting for test results… the other while waiting tests but had been put on the trial drug… although it was assumed that the heart attack had nothing to do with the trial drug… this all happened between 2002 and 2004… so yeah… Socialized medicine works… it gets people in the building, but leaves them undiagnosed, untreated, and un-alive. No, my grandfather wasn’t one of the lucky 3, he was just an “office visit”.

            No I don’t assume this is always the case for heart attack victims… but the queueing thing… that is the norm… and everyone up there knows it. Also… it’s not as free as you think… if you’re upper middle class…. you’re definitely paying for your healthcare… about 4 times over. Thank goodness the private medical systems offer you an option to “avoid” queueing… cause if they didn’t get you back on your feet and back to work, you’re untimely death will result in the untimely death of 4 other patients…

            Yeah I get it… that’s a little extreme… but funny only cause it’s partially true.

          • http://www.theproverbialtundra.com ambroseburnside

            one that I believe President Obama is keeping in mind. If he really wanted to, I’m sure he could push through tax increases in the congress next week. But he hasn’t done that. Maybe it’s to save his political capital, but I do believe that it’s with the idea that we will take on government debt now, put people back to work, and by the time the tax cuts expire, the economy will be stimulated enough that they really won’t be a burden on those who will be stuck paying more, when they consider what their take-home pay could have been.

            The capital gains tax rate cuts both ways. If it’s low, it’s good for individuals saving for retirement/college. But if it’s too low, the potential rewards for fraud are way too high. I am in favor of putting in more tax exemptions for individual investments, while increasing capital gains taxes for the hedge fund sector (the way hedge fund managers get paid, getting 20% of the fund’s profits and it counting as capital gains rather than income, needs to be changed).

          • Jeff Weimer

            Take a look at his tax increases – it’s not across the board – those (like me) who pay no income tax still won’t. Those that already pay the vast majority of tax revenue will pay even more. And his proposals are targeted at businesses and industries that are crucial to economic growth, specifically the energy sector, which underlays all we do as a nation to create wealth. Make that more expensive, and wealth creation is that much harder to accomplish.

            You talk about “putting people to work” with government money. How is it more efficient to take from some people and industries and then give it out than leaving the money with the very people who would do the hiring? It seems to me more of a control issue – the administration would “pick the winners”. I don’t want that, they shouldn’t be in that position.

  • AKSteveB

    to stop the double submissions. I really do click the button once, and sometimes I get an error screen saying I’ve already submitted the comment, and sometimes it just submits twice.

    • $peciallist

      hit the back button and make the comment different…don’t refresh at any time….or

      are you using IE?….firefox works better

      • AKSteveB

        I’ll switch to Firefox.

        • $peciallist

          ..

          • $peciallist

            “sorry…I’ll never use bingo again”….speciallist

            Dismissed…carry on

        • larueladue

          Been using it for years, and I would not go back. Only use IE when I “have to” in the corporate intranet and its various dependent apps… But Firefox is good too!

      • http://www.criterionchemical.com Chemical Sam

        If I hold down the CTRL button when I the Potst Comment button, it goes through.

        • http://www.criterionchemical.com Chemical Sam

          n/t

  • Swamp_Yankee

    You know real American History, General Burnside. Most conservatives share a true appreciation for this country including its heritage, history and traditions. We know, study and appraciate more than all the sordid episodes of oppression.

    Most liberals were cultivated to see American history through a prism of race, class and sex. In other words, they are ignorant. All the Leftist masterminds care about is creating victim classes who will harbor resentment towards the traditional order and revolt against the establishment, including the dismaissal of history, heritage, and faith; the stalwarts against progressive revolutions.

    But then again maybe you just have a things for side burns.

    • ambroseburnside

      the establishment? :)

      But yes, I agree, our history is much more than our faults, and it is not fair to solely concentrate on them, ignoring what’s made our country great.

      We know slavery, poll taxes, Jim Crow laws, etc. were horrible and it is important our students learn about that. But they should also learn about the valor of American soldiers in the Civil War, both Union and Confederate. That the Confederates weren’t solely fighting to preserve the institution of slavery, rather most fought in defense of their states alongside their friends and family. That General Lee fought not because he wanted to preserve slavery, but because he loved Virginia too much to lead an army against her.

      But some ideas generally attributed to the left are just as important as well such as reasonable government regulation of business (such as Chicago’s meatpacking industry) and how unions (regardless of how you feel about them now) helped make working conditions safe and helped to build a middle class.

  • larueladue

    Being something of a Civil War buff….

    • ambroseburnside

      minoring in it (political science major), and I’ve always been partial to American history.

      General Burnside was not all that great of a general, but he had just about the greatest facial hair in history.

      • Achance
      • larueladue

        Why you would take up his name, even though he was out of his depth directing large forces, but was mostly competent in being “second-tier,” as it were….

        If my memory serves me right, he ended up being okay for the most part, directing smaller forces under the guidance of Grant, Meade and others.. But I think the Battle of the Crater at Petersburg was his brainchild…

        Not really an auspicious namesake…

        • larueladue

          After the Civil War, he was a successful railroad executive, governor of Rhode Island (3 terms), senator from Rhode Island, and the first President of NRA (1871). Not bad…

      • http://www.fredmaidment.com Fred Maidment

        He was a great planner, logistician and strategist. What he wasn’t (as proven at Fredericksburg) was a leader. He did not have initiative or flexibility. Those were his key weaknesses.

      • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

        explains why you still lean Liberal…. there may be hope for you if you have honestly represented to have an open mind to actual debate…

  • $peciallist

    until you get some cred….

    don’t worry it’s all fun

  • Tbone

    supports the Second Amendment and knows why it IS the Second Amendment can’t be a very good liberal and certainly not a Dkos nutjob. Hang around here and you’ll feel like your taking a shower and getting cleaner every visit.

    • ambroseburnside

      by the voracious defense of the Second Amendment on DKos. Of course there’s the “confiscate the guns” crowd, but with a little education, such as this, [url]http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/2/27/14366/3100/68/702681[/url], many have been quieted.

      • ambroseburnside

        There was a huge firestorm when Holder made his comments about wanted to put the assault weapons ban back on the books.

        • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

          Also there’s something about having to shut off the default visual editor if you want to insert the codes yourself. Hopefully someone here can explain better since I’ve gotta run very soon.

          • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

            Good faith discussions are always welcome here.

      • From ME to You

        2nd thing. Nice picture of an M2 in your post at DKos. Note that they are still being produced here in the good ol’ USA. In large quantities too, I might add! Still a favorite with the troops!

        Was one of the QC guys involved with manufacture/assembly of that amazing weapon. Left to persue other interests.

        Can testify to the hoops that non-military types have to jump through to own even non-working models.

        I had to QC the assembly of a non-working Mk 19 GMG made from non-conforming parts that was being sold to a props supplier for movies. On the outside it was pristine!!! On the inside….well, you’d be taking your life in your hands if you tried to fire a live round through it.

        The paperwork that had to be accomplished, filed with the appropriate authorities and shipped with it was probably more lethal because of the sheer weight than the weapon itself!

  • http://www.fredmaidment.com Fred Maidment

    This is still a conservative blog site. We’ll still defend our ideas and ideals strongly and passionately.

    You’ll also find that, among those here at Redstate are staunch conservatives, semi-moderates (not the Arlen Specter type, mind you), and semi-libertarians (such as myself, but not Ron Paul). That means you’ll find a range of disagreement on some issues, even among us.

    At our core, however, we are conservatives. As a result, there will be times when your ideas will be harshly criticized. It doesn’t mean we’re being mean or that we dislike you. This is an open forum for critical thinking, intelligent people who have passionate beliefs. It gets emotional at times.

    Take it for what it’s worth. Welcome to Redstate, and enjoy!

    P.S. Standard html worksdoes very well.

    • ambroseburnside

      liberal or conservative, where people were not willing to defend their beliefs with the same vigor that I do.

      Thanks for the welcome.

    • Caleb (absentee)

      “there will be times when your ideas will be harshly criticized.”

      Emphasis on harshly. We rarely do kid gloves. It’s best to respond without getting personal.

  • Susannah

    I am a former Democrat and am still more moderate than a lot of the regular RS members. However, the people here are great and so are the discussions. I find RS to be a good home–and I am willing to bet that you will as well. :-)

  • mailloux

    I’m a little late to the party, but just wanted to say welcome.

    I’m pretty new here at RedState myself, but have found the community to be informative and open to debate. I think you’ll like it here. I certainly do.

    Take Care, mailloux

  • RedWhite_and_Truth

    A vigorous debate helps sharpen us all.

  • Brian Hibbert

    I didn’t get quite the same reception on KOS when I signed up earlier this week. Stick around, be honest and open and you won’t have much problem.

    One other thing, foul language is common usage at KOS. It isn’t allowed here.

  • dsmurf

    Thought the title of your post was an oxymoron til I saw your position on pro life. As a former pro choice person myself, with Minnesota parents who were Democrat for life, thanks to a subscription to Newsweek’s letters to the editor in my college days, but transformed after hearing about the death rate from hemohraging from abortions, but it isn’t counted as death from abortion. Abortions just aren’t 100% safe for the mother.

    As far as Muslims perverting their religion. Well they are following their book esp in Pakistan and the Bible isn’t present to be salt to the culture of death that their book inspires. If they aren’t radical extremist, then thank God that they are good neighbors.

  • Doc Holliday

    we know Republicans are not welcome at Daily Kos. We welcome anyone here that will make intelligent arguments and listen to other intelligent arguments. Again, welcome sir.

  • Justin_Case

    are reformed liberals.

    Welcome. This is a place for thinkers like yourself.

  • E Pluribus Unum
  • farstar99

    I’m sorry, but they’re not reconcilable.
    Democrats are the enemy of our Constitution and our nation. Anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves, so they can conveniently ignore the Left’s abuses.
    You have to be willing to fight for those documents of freedom every day, in battles large and small, or you secretly hold them in contempt.
    The Second Amendment is the trunk of all our freedoms. While others despise it because it makes us different from France, that difference is what has kept us free.

    • http://www.theproverbialtundra.com ambroseburnside

      or a Republican that could constitute a threat to the Constitution, rather the power of being in charge can seriously corrupt. While some Democrats do want to round up all the guns so we can all hug each other, at the same time, the Bush administration (with spineless Democrats helping him out by passing the FISA legislation) engaged in warrantless wiretapping of American citizens, which I feel was a true attack on the Bill of Rights.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    I hope you read this comment. I welcome you and I believe that in just a short time you will have a lot more in agreement with us, at least on fiscal issues.

    Because this bunch of silly children in the administration and congress are doing all of the absolutely worst things for this economy, and we will soon be in a full blown depression.

    • Mike gamecock DeVine
    • http://www.theproverbialtundra.com ambroseburnside

      I voted for him, but I am not an Obama-zombie. I’ll call him out when he’s wrong, and on Kos, I’ll shout down the real Obama-zombies who believe he can do no wrong no matter what.

      For one thing, I hope he vetoes the omnibus spending bill (as requested by Sen. Bayh and another senate Democrat, name escapes me at the moment) and upholds his campaign promise.

      • JustLeaveMeAlone

        We wouldn’t want you to turn any bluer :)

  • Jeff Weimer

    His first post, and he’s ALREADY on the recommended diaries list!!!

    ambroseburnside, don’t ever say we didn’t give you a warm welcome!

  • http://www.scottbomb.com scottbomb

    I don’t go to DKos, but from what I’ve read here, it seems that if you disagree with the “powers that be”, you get banned. Here on Redstate, no one gets banned for disagreeing. They get banned for being obnoxious. Most all liberals who dare post here are gone within minutes because they can’t help but be rude. The rare liberal that’s polite is most welcome. No one will ban you, cuss you out, or tell you to shut up just because we disagree on something.

    It’s an interesting concept. Us conservatives welcome all people, even those who disagree. The liberals have no time for someone who disagrees with them. And yet THEY call US the ones that are “close-minded” and “intolerant” when in fact, it’s the liberals that are the most intolerant of others’ views.

    • http://www.theproverbialtundra.com ambroseburnside

      is done automatically, based on racking up hidden comments (the real trolls, antisemites, outspoken racists, etc.)

      • Brian Hibbert

        I merely stated that white supremacist (or any other racist) groups are not welcomed in the Republican party. That of course started some philosophical discussions. They couldn’t tolerate Milton Friedman or freedom being discussed…..

        Half of my posts disappeared and I can no longer add comments.

        I wasn’t a troll. I was very open that I was a Republican and I was using my real name.

        I wasn’t racist or defending racists.

        Antisemitism didn’t come up.

        I went out of my way to not start the fights other than to insist that Republicans and out ideology are based on freedom..

  • Moriah

    … as much as a fellow liberal can truly welcome you to a Conservative home. I try to be a good houseguest here, but I do always remember that I am a houseguest.

    And yes, I identify with your statement about realizing you might not be as liberal as you could be. For a long time I truly thought I was the most liberal liberal that ever libbed.

    I was wrong, and I realized it during this election cycle.

    … but I’ve been here a long time and I haven’t been burned at the stake yet, so I think you’re pretty safe here as long as you’re respectful and intelligent. I try to be both, probably only succeed at the first, but hey… :)

    • $peciallist

      thanks

      • Moriah

        See below post for what I *meant* to put here….

        So now I’m flattered, and embarrassed. :)

        • $peciallist

          Barry is now ‘the most liberal liberal that ever libbed’

          this is great…replace live with lib

          ‘how far do you lib from your girlfriend?’

          ‘I want to lib forever!’

          ‘you haven’t libbed, till you’ve tried the cappuccino’

          ‘the year of libbing dangerously’

          I could go on…but it’s late..lol

  • Moriah

    Thank you!

  • DefendUSA

    Ambrose,
    Most conservatives welcome anyone who identifies themselves as liberal, especially when they can reasonably debate the issues and not resort to name calling and stupid insults. They are a rarity these days and definitely welcome to the discussion. I “slay” libs all the time who want to insult rather than discuss.
    I have posted on Kos and I just get my arse kicked for asking questions or challenging the thoughts. I don’t go often because of that. It’s much nicer to try and entertain other schools of thought than to be called names.
    Welcome!

  • text97

    Ambrose,

    Funny story.

    I started reading DailyKos in 2005. Not even sure how I found them. I just did it mostly for opposition research. I gotta tell you…I was addicted after the first visit.

    Not because I agreed with anything there. It was addicting in the sense that you just have to slow down and watch a good train wreck. And that’s what it was. Real hate, real extremism, served up to you unapologetically and with a seeming hunger for each person to out-do each other in the hatred for President Bush.

    The thing that, I guess, disturbs me the most is the fact that these people were using ideology as a crutch. A crutch for thinking. Don’t get me wrong – I’m a strong conservative, so I can respect anyone who holds strong liberal views. That being said, even when Bill Clinton was in office, I can’t even REMEMBER questioning the guy’s motives when he did non-political stuff or opposing him on foreign policy issues like Bosnia simply for the sake of not wanting to be on the same side of an issue as him.
    And that’s what I was seeing. Ideological intolerance…no benefit of the doubt whatsoever for opposing views…and this idea of wanting to “win at all costs”. I also thought it was just…creepy…that cussing was considered perfectly fine on the main page, starting with their site’s founder. Just classless. It just boggled my mind. I knew one thing. I didn’t want any of these cast of fools being responsible for defending America. Because they had no CLUE how to do it. I read their little page describing their “feature posters” or whatever and they absolutely were a parody of themselves.

    I’m just ETERNALLY thankful that RedState is not now, nor ever will be, a conservative mirror of the DailyKos. Ambrose, I hope you find this site refreshing, and not just for ideological reasons, either.

    Tom

  • BAW

    I had never even visited the DailyKos. I knew I should and I assumed it probably wasn’t nearly as bad as Bill O’Reilly’s rants would indicate but I just hadn’t.

    I appreciated your post on “Taking Chance” and gained some insight from the comments. What I really liked was your poll on the NYPost cartoon. I hope you meant for me to laugh because I did.

    I could be wrong but I think you have already rejected at least two of the basic tenets of liberalism. At least the extreme, radical liberalism I hold in disdain.

    I hope you got as much from your visit to RedState as I did.