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Good Grief…now I sound like a Libertarian defending Newt Gingrich!

By: APA Guy (Diary)  |  December 8th, 2011 at 03:43 PM  | 

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I am not a Libertarian. I am a conservative.

Yet I find myself perplexed by the number of conservatives ready to toss Newt Gingrich aside because of his personal life. What is it that drives this insatiable need to sit in judgment of this man and the decisions he has made in his personal life?

Is it the squeaky-clean lives we all have lead where we have neither committed physical adultery, nor have we lusted after another in our minds? (Both ARE sins, according to the scripture…)

Is it the fact that we are looking to tear down a candidate who might not be our personal favorite? I thought that was what Democrats did to their opponents…correct me if I’m wrong here…

Is it the fact that SOME of Newt’s policy positions, which he puts forth with unequaled eloquence and mastery, simply do not sync with our own? Last I checked, even Reagan had some policy positions nearly every conservative disagreed with at some point or another. Did we work to tear him down endlessly?

Is it because we see him as less electable than the other candidates?

Is it because he isn’t physically fit?

How many other petty reasons will we use to justify drudging up 20 year-old personal matters that have nothing to do with saving this country?

People, we have serious problems to fix…and we need a problem solver NOW.

I don’t give a rip who Newt has cheated on in the past. That’s right…I DON’T CARE. The man has obviously made some terrible personal mistakes, but look at this from a practical point of view: If God hadn’t forgiven him for his sins, would he have put this historic opportunity to transform the greatest nation on Earth within his grasp?

As for the other candidates…

Rick Perry would have been my preferred candidate…if only he could find a coherent sentence once in a while when speaking in front of a national audience. The guy simply isn’t ready for the GOP prime-time, let alone for an all-out war with the Obama machine. At one point I wasn’t sure, but now I am convinced: Obama v. Perry on the national stage = 4 more years of darkness…BANK ON IT.

Mitt Romney is worse than a RINO. He is a wolf in sheeps wool, pretending to be just conservative enough to fool the GOP primary electorate until he sprints to the left in the general. NO THANK YOU…

Bachmann…Santorum…Paul…Huntsman…pretenders all…

Newt Gingrich may not be the perfect candidate, but he is one who can, at a minimum, serve to right many of the Obama wrongs socially, economically, and with regards to foreign affairs. And he can crush Obama not once…not twice…but THREE (3) times in nationally-televised  debates. Don’t tell me that prospect doesn’t make you grin ear-to-ear!

I will not presume to tell anyone here how they should feel and vote. Each person desiring a dramatic shift in this country’s direction must leave his/her own decision at the foot of his/her conscience.

As for me, I will not “hold my nose” and vote for this guy if he is our candidate. I will proudly say that I chose the candidate best able to restore America’s greatness.

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  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    “I don

    • APA Guy

      If you DO know that Gingrich being president of the world’s most powerful nation (and friend to his nation Israel) is not part of God’s plan, please divulge how you arrived at the information at your pleasure.

      I’m not saying God CHOSE Newt…just saying the path is very much cleared for him to be the person to clean up this unholy mess Obama created…and I don’t believe in coincidences.

      • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

        I’m a Mormon… so take my relationship with God with a grain of salt… clearly all the Christians do…

        Regardless… the absence of a burning bush and a lot of noise going on up the mountainside… where Newt comes down with a set of commandments and a covenant with God himself… traditional biblical evidence suggests that God has may purposes that are not always well known to those unwilling to maintain a personal relationship… and it’s really not my place to throw pearls before swine… So if God revealed to you that Newt’s #1 and he should stay there regardless of his past… then by all means… oblige yourself to your endless happiness and support the fella.

        In the mean time… I’ll judge my political choices based upon how well they represent me… not whether or not they can “beat Obama in a debate”… which is a pretty lofty presumption given that the MSM does all of Obama’s debating for him.

        Just sayin’ chief…

        • aesthete

          The Kingdom of Judah was blessed with only a handful of rulers who did right in the sight of God, as David did. The Kingdom of Israel was ruled by no such men, IIRC. Why should the US be any different? As far as I can tell, God has been content to let us choose the worst of leaders for close to a century now; I doubt that this will change in the future.

          • avagreen

            God destroyed them both. After they left Him.

            Same thing can happen here. At any time.

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  • exitsfunnel

    I don’t mean to hijack your diary but you make a common mistake and I’m going to point it out. You confuse libertarianism with libertinism. At this point I have stopped identifying myself as a conservative or even a libertarian conservative and just instead as a libertarian and I am bothered and offended by Newt Gingrich’s messy personal life and the way he’s treated people along the way. I don’t mean to imply that it’s the only reason I won’t be supporting Gingrich (there are at least a half a dozen others) but it definitely one of the things that dissuades me from his camp.

    -exits

  • APA Guy

    …is about as ambivalent to personal behavior that isn’t illegal and doesn’t involve them as can be. Perhaps you run in different circles..I don’t know, but thank you for commenting nevertheless.

  • aesthete

    It would not keep me from voting for him — and I still think he’s better than Mitt Romney and some of the other frontrunners — but the way that he has treated his (apparently in)significant other makes me loathe him on a personal level to an extent which I cannot say is true of any of the other candidates in the running. (I have the same sentiment towards Herman Cain, as well.)

    I would agree that many libertarians do not share my views (and would characterize myself more as a libertarian-conservative), but it seems to be a matter of personality and morality, not political philosophy.

  • pttx333

    the street, it would be none of my business what he does or has done in the past. However, I expect better of someone in elected office, and I personally believe that I would be condoning really bad behavior and despicable choices by voting for someone with such a record. Unfair or not, they must be held to a different standard in that they should be looked to as role models.

    Thanks for your comment!

  • devereaux

    Newt Gingrich a

  • dajeeps

    Nor a conservative. For lack of better label I call myself a classical liberal, a Jeffersonian, a constitutionalist. Some might think they mean the same thing as libertarian, but there is clearly a stark contrast between me and many libertarians. I don’t talk about pot or raw milk all the time; those issues are just symptoms of a far larger problem. I am not so radical I forget that civil society is important and rush to the defense of groups like the #OWS movement, who are clear abusers of liberty. I can separate ideology from the reality of the world we live in and know that we did not get big government over night, and we won’t be rid of it that way either.

    I am for Gingrich because of his record of accomplishments. Words don’t mean anything, bold action and results do. Part of me has this feeling that this thing in Europe won’t be resolved and right now is just the calm before the storm – and this is besides the huge mess Obama has made for which not all of the consequences are known. In the face of the possible threats to our very way of life, someone’s personal life has little meaning to me in figuring out which candidate is the best match for the challenges. It is easy to attack, oppose, be snarky, but what happens when something needs to be done? Telling people what they want to hear and being or pretending to be oriented around social issues, with only an occasional lie slipping through the lips, might get someone somewhere, but does it really matter if the worst happens? Probably not. People who cannot manage what comes out of their own mouths probably aren’t going to manage well.

    And so it really isn’t about ideology, or what I believe the perfect world would look like. That isn’t the world we live in. We have to take as it we find it and hope to improve it as much as possible, even through all the challenges of living in a world on the brink. But the most important thing is to get through the brink or none of the other stuff will matter.

  • APA Guy

    Marriage vows are important, but they’re not the most important component to deciding who is most fit to run the office of the Presidency. I want someone who can restore America’s greatness…and after all, if a clean marriage is the most important factor deciding your votes, you might vote for the current occupant. Last I checked, Obama has a pretty darn solid marriage.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    wins the Republican nomination?

  • lucasblack

    I could care less who Newt has banged in his life. I don’t want to marry him. I want him to fix the economy. Do you think I care who my electrician is screwing when I need my wires fixed?
    Also, I have a hard time feeling sorry for his wives. One was a cradle-robber who almost certainly statutory-raped him and the other cheated with him so it was basically thief-take-from-thief. Not that that makes Newt’s behavior right or excusable, but they weren’t exactly innocent victims.

  • JSobieski

    I can think of one primary difference, and that difference makes me a conservative.

  • barleycorn

    n/t

  • Finrod

    Consider that Ronald Reagan was our first President that had ever been divorced.

    Also, the whole story about Newt divorcing his second wife while she was dying in a hospital bed or whatever it was is total bunk, according to his daughter.

  • acat

    Being a realpolitik Wilsonian is almost an oxymoron.

    Meade in a nutshell…

    Newt ain’t a Jacksonian, but if he wins the nomination, I’ll take a cynical Wilsonian over our current rockstar, paws down.

    Mew

  • Common_Cents

    Let’s see the forest through the trees.

  • Common_Cents

    nt

  • avagreen

    ??

  • Xasteius

    no text.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    People are asking us to trust Newt, and your answer to our legitimate beef with his credibility is to change the subject.

    Newt cheated on women he made promises to, personally, in front of witnesses.

    That matters.

  • pttx333

    Furthermore, Becker, if you are reading my posts you would know what I will do if Newt wins, or anyone else for that matter. I will elaborate on that no further.

    APA Guy, you have your views and I have mine. I do not slam you for yours and damn well don’t appreciate you slamming me for mine.

    Common, what is that snarky remark about being a Bieber fan? What does that mean? I am a 71 year-old female and damn proud of it! I have seen it all and heard it all, so your stupid remark is just that – stupid!

    TO ALL THREE OF YOU – Leave me alone! I have never slammed any of you and will be most appreciative if you just go your own way. PERIOD!

  • pttx333

    Furthermore, Becker, if you are reading my posts you would know what I will do if Newt wins, or anyone else for that matter. I will elaborate on that no further.

    APA Guy, you have your views and I have mine. I do not slam you for yours and damn well don’t appreciate you slamming me for mine.

    Common, what is that snarky remark about being a Bieber fan? What does that mean? I am a 71 year-old female and damn proud of it! I have seen it all and heard it all, so your stupid remark is just that – stupid!

    TO ALL THREE OF YOU – Leave me alone! I have never slammed any of you and will be most appreciative if you just go your own way. PERIOD!

  • avagreen

    Just because it’s now PC now to excuse someone because of mere sexual peccadillos doesn’t make it a sound basis for making a decision.

    Let’s say I’m dying of cancer, and Newt makes a big and public deal out of championing a new law saying it’s not OK to discriminate against someone who has high costs to care such as cancer, BUT
    then goes on to support denial of coverage.

    He then says in defense of his contradictory actions: “Don’t pay attention to what I do, just pay attention to what I say.”

    See the problem?

  • kipling

    Whether Pope or President, trust is important. The issue is not a clean marriage but whether or not you can trust someone who breaks one of the most intimate of vows – and one Newt took before God, whom he claims to believe in on a regular basis.

    Mr. Obama may have a “clean marriage” – not sure exactly what that means – but he has proven he cannot be trusted on numerous occasions.

  • Common_Cents

    no harm intended ;)

  • APA Guy

    Sheesh…slow down and take a breath. You are taking personal a very good conversation on an election process that impacts us all. No one slammed you…we just disagree, that’s all.

  • APA Guy

    But he won’t be the nominee…

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    I can find and pound the pavement for him.

    Now then, about my question, what are you going to do if Newt wins?

    For the record, of the current crop of candidates, I like Perry the best, I also don’t see him digging out of his current self-inflicted hole.

    If it comes down to Newt & Romney, I’m all in for Newt.

  • avagreen

    Don’t you?

  • APA Guy

    “I will not presume to tell anyone here how they should feel and vote. Each person desiring a dramatic shift in this country

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    I’m not aware of much in the way actual rational thought, just broadcasting of opinion and foot stomping.

  • Common_Cents

    when I make the assumption that Gingrich is the only one who can combat the dem/left media machine.

    You can differ w/ my assumption but not the choice between Gingrich and Obama.

  • APA Guy

    nt

  • avagreen

    Because one version of story is untrue, doesn’t make the real version of it untrue, nor the other stories that abound.

    The guy is a serial vow-breaker (and over a period of time with both wives)…..what makes you think he won’t break future vows to the American public? His character stinks.

    I don’t want to rely upon his word for anything.

    Perry is the guy.

  • center77

    or cheated twice. And no one knows for sure if that story is not true, just because he child says it is now does not mean it is not true. I really think what matters about the whole things is that it shows the mans character, and it was not just once, he had a six year affair while leading the charge against Bill Clinton, even thought Bill Lied to the country, Newt was doing this while he himself was cheating. Its real, and it is not something that is not going to affect the vote of many women in the general election.

  • kipling

    Is there not a internet rule for conservatives that says “He who mentions Bieber first automatically loses the argument.”

    : )

  • APA Guy

    I do not believe his personal indiscretions disqualify him to be that president. In fact, I think he has many qualities that qualify him to do that very thing.

  • APA Guy

    I do not believe his personal indiscretions disqualify him to be that president. In fact, I think he has many qualities that qualify him to do that very thing.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Al Qaeda might not have been as strong had Bill Clinton not been such a man whore.

  • kipling

    You would put the future of the country on a man who has proven himself untrustworthy to those most intimate to him.

    How can you trust Newt to do what is best for the future of the country? What makes you think Newt will keep his word to conservatives he does not know when he is all too willing to lie to those he knows quite well?

  • APA Guy

    …and disgraced his marriage from within the Oval Office. Gingrich’s indiscretions are well-known and decades old, but he remains the most viable candidate we have who can restore America’s greatness.

  • APA Guy

    …and disgraced his marriage from within the Oval Office. Gingrich’s indiscretions are well-known and decades old, but he remains the most viable candidate we have who can restore America’s greatness.

  • deathandtaxes

    It’s just that I know others will. Obama has a perfect marriage etc, and you bet that there will be a ton of family imagery with Sasha and Malia in the general if Newt is nominated. It calls into question his electability.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Billy Boy was distracted from his job due to his adultery.

    Newtie has a track record of picking up women. The last one we know of was named Callista. You may have heard of her.

  • kipling

    Newt has done well in the debates.

    His track record with the larger media is not so good. In the past he has let them define the narrative – cuts to school lunches – and blinked when the pressure got too much – government shutdown.

    A few well rehearsed lines smacking down the nightly commentators does not prove he is capable of handling the media.

  • bzip

    Newt cheated, broke his wedding vows/oath. That gets to the heart of: Character, Honesty, Trust. The DNC will play that to the voters over and over, Newt will have a image problems, a trust problem and a women problem.

    When you couple that information to Newt’s ethic violation you really have a damaged candidate. Of all the candidates Newt is the most damaged and will surely give us another 4 years of Obama. But if you want to live in fantasy land thinking that the “only” thing that matters is debate preformance the perhaps Newt is your man BUT debates aren’t the only thing that wins elections.

    Character trust, honest play a big role and someone who cheated on their wife, broke their wedding vows isn’t going to go over well.

  • kipling

    We need someone to get Washington and big government out of the way. We need someone to kill the anaconda that is slowly choking us to death with regulation and liberalism. Then the American people will restore America.

    What qualities does Newt possess that make him qualified to be President? Theories? Ideas? A desire to make government work – not to get rid of government? A willingness to say anything for money? The ability to deliver lines on a stage?

  • center77

    of our lives the best we can. The top two guys in the polls right now do not follow the limited government model, they follow the limited Democrat big government model, they feel its the Republican job to say what the fed does.

  • kipling

    Keep up the good work in Iowa!

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    there’s a truckload of stuff I don’t like about Newt. His truck is just smaller than the other “non-Perry” candidates.

  • avagreen

    &&

  • papabear

    I wish otherwise, but he keeps stepping on his own message w/gaffes.

    I suspect he would make very good decisions if he were the president. However, the latest incident w/the Des Moines editorial board gives me no confidence that he is ready to face Obama. Whoever is doing his candidate prep work needs to be fired.

  • David123

    the way cats love mice.