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Let Obama and the Democrats OWN the Fiscal Cliff

By: APA Guy (Diary)  |  November 9th, 2012 at 05:08 PM  | 

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Fellow conservatives, it is really not in my nature to be a doomsayer. I generally like to think the best about the country and its future because, by and large, we have really great people keeping her afloat amidst really tough economic times.

But I have come to a conclusion regarding the impending Fiscal Cliff…a conclusion that cannot be avoided or contradicted in any way, shape or form:

Thanks to Obamacare and the federal government’s inability to live within its means, the country is heading back to recession.

Bloggers on the left are whining about the need for Republicans to work with Democrats, citing a mandate resulting from last Tuesday’s shameful performance on the part of the American public. To those bloggers, and the soggy wimps on our side who don’t want the idiots who voted Obama back into office to hurt us, I say this:

REAP THE WHIRLWIND, VOTING PUBLIC. YOU VOTED FOR WHAT US ABOUT TO HAPPEN.

This isn’t a hyperbolic overreaction to the election results. It’s an acknowledgement that elections have consequences…and that some people in this country need to learn a cold, hard lesson.

I find it more than mildly amusing that the same people who have been doing victory dances over Obama’s re-election are now crowing for Republicans to save them from the fiscal cliff…a cliff that promises cuts in entitlement spending, education funding, and unemployment funding that the left holds so very near and dear to their hearts. Are we now to come up with a “grand bargain” to keep SOME tax cuts in place while slashing funding for national defense…all the while bloating the rest of the federal budget that borrows from China (with interest) and prints money to cover massive deficits?

If I was House Speaker (John Boehner, I’m talking directly to you), I’d say the following…and I’d say it on national television:

Barack Obama campaigned on ending the “evil” Bush tax cuts, reducing wasteful spending, and giving everyone a “fair shot”. The much-dreaded “fiscal cliff” accomplishes each of those campaign promises. Therefore, House Republicans will allow the Bush tax cuts to expire, will agree to the across the board spending cuts as a result of the deficit reduction deal we made last session, and will advise the country to brace itself for the coming impact of Obamacare and its mandate/tax increases and $716 billion in Medicare cuts.

There it is, Mr. Speaker…your ready-made response to Barack Obama’s pitiful, divisive rhetoric of earlier today. Elections have consequences…among them are an adherence to the campaign wishes of the prevailing party and their “mandate”.

And to the American public, put away your hankies. I DON’T FREAKING WANT TO HEAR IT. You knew what this guy was all about…he told you EXACTLY how he would govern…and precisely what his plan for the country was.

You ignored it…you bought the bag of cat crap…now live with it.

By the way, that includes you people in WI, IA, NV, MN, MI, OH, FL, VA. YOU handed this creep and his fellow creeps on the senate another two years, at minimum, behind the wheel. As streiff, brilliantly pointed out in his diary, it is now time to enjoy that warp-speed voyage toward the cliff you cared so little about when you voted. Perhaps next time you will give deeper thought to voting for someone who can move the country forward instead of supporting a lying, thieving, slandering coward who sold you snake oil not once but TWICE.

Does this seem harsh? I’ve got news for you. I now have to raise my kids under the boot of a devalued dollar, Obamacare, and a pool of enemies abroad who are eating their way to the center of our nation. HARSH is what future generations have to endure thanks to last Tuesday.

I’ve said my peace. If Republicans have any stones, they’ll do this very thing. It’s our only hope of shaking mindless idiots out of the delusion that liberalism is good for the country…and thus, the best hope we have of taking America back before it’s too late.

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  • APA Guy

    Two things more:

    Cast your gaze upon the bloggers from the left. 2/3 of these people WANT the Bush tax cuts to expire…ALL OF THEM…with NOTHING to reinstate them for the middle class.

    It was the president’s own deficit Fiscal Commission that recommended the cuts that are about to take place.

    OUR COURSE IS CLEAR…we need only allow the people’s elected president to have what he first gave us and campaigned for. We need only give the people what they so desperately wanted last Tuesday.

    • TravisMonitor

      So you want Republicans to be the tax collectors for Obama’s massive spending spree?

      “2/3 of these people WANT the Bush tax cuts to expire…ALL OF THEM…with NOTHING to reinstate them for the middle class.”

      So why give them what they want AND give them the satisfaction of blaming Republicans for it. It’s the stupidest idea possible. Bad policy and bad politics.

      Much better idea: House passes $1 trillion in spending cuts and goes to the mat, including government shutdown to make them happen. Balance the budget in a single year by cutting spending!

      • ceili_dancer

        What is better, pulling the band-aid off slowly, so you feel each individual hair coming out of it’s follicle or pulling it quickly off. Take a sudden burst of pain and then start healing.

        • APA Guy

          Yep…100% on the money.

      • APA Guy

        Because the public VOTED FOR THIS, Travis. I’m incredulous that you can’t grasp the concept of elections and consequences here.

        • TravisMonitor

          Voters voted to make the House Republican. They voted for gridlock. Every single Republican in the House voted in the past to repeal Obamacare and has promised to fight against higher taxes. They need to stand for what they won their election on, and we need to encourage standing firm. I’m incredulous that you can’t grasp the concept of elections and consequences here yourself.

          • APA Guy

            Let the economy burn…the country voted for it, Travis. Short-term pain to solve a long-term problem.

  • deltawing

    Except we won’t be able to make the Dems “own” the fiscal cliff. If the Bush cuts expire wholesale, it will validate Obama’s claim that Republicans would rather tax the middle class than make the rich “pay a little more”. It’s a big trap for Republicans, and I sense that Boehner has the political instincts to understand that.

    • APA Guy

      That is exactly the sort of thinking that leaves us in the political darkness. Of course Obama wants a “grand bargain”. HE WANTS US TO BE ATTACHED TO THE IMPENDING ECONOMIC DISASTER SO HE CAN BLAME IT ON US. I swear, conservatives just can’t help making stupid, irrational policy decisions. If Boehner is as stupid as think he is, we’re all doomed…politically or otherwise. Think about it…if we sign our names to legislation that keeps or increases spending, increases taxes on job creators, and cuts defense, what is the motivation for the American public to embrace us when we sell conservatism in the elections to follow?

      • nycsteelerfan

        He is a jack ass! BTW, I remember Simpson-Mazzoli giving Amnesty to 3 million illegals, the question is this, how did we do with the Hispanic vote then?? Its not about amnesty, if it was, why didn’t Obama do it?

        • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

          Obama’s campaign went on Spanish media and lied about Republicans. Then they cranked up the GOTV in the urban areas and got their sheeple to the polls.

      • Jack_Savage

        This is IT. Completely.

      • celador2

        In a bargain he gets all the credit and a big bounce but no one knows who else was involved like 2010 end of year crisis.
        Question raising the debt ceiling and the WH and media blamed the tea party for a credit downgrade not the ones who borrowed and spent 2011..

    • http://scipio62.livejournal.com/ scipio62

      According to whom, Democrats?

      Democrats like to crow about how great the economy was under Clinton. The only problem is, Clinton couldn’t have gotten that great economy without the Republican majority in the House and the Senate, the people who wrote the actual bills to cut spending and reduce capital gains tax rates. But do Democrats remember or say this, or even mention those tax cuts? Of course not. (What is tragically amusing is how Bill Clinton was forced to repudiate his entire 8 years as President to help get Obama re-elected.)

      What’s coming are the Obama tax increases. Plain and simple. He sits in the office of the President. He owns this. The Democrats have laid a trap for themselves. They may know how to campaign (and lie and cheat and steal), but they really stink at actual governing.

      • APA Guy

        BINGO…buy that conservative a double…anything you want…it’s on me :)

        • http://scipio62.livejournal.com/ scipio62

          Really expensive tequila!!! And a beer chaser.

      • celador2

        imo—
        Bill wants Hillary to have some good will and him too 2016. He wants all those Obama- biden voters to think back fondly to how Bill rescued Ob in 2012. Forget 2008 dirty campaign and think about tomorrow. Back to the 90s.
        .

      • sbradsha

        Burman (link below) found no statistically significant relationship between capital gains tax rates and economic growth.

        http://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/092012%20Burman%20Testimony.pdf

        • commonsenseobserver

          Great. Let’s raise them then. The people have spoken after all.

          Although perhaps they may want to look at other reasons. The stock market and housing aren’t the only parts of the economy, after all.

          http://www.adamsmith.org/sites/default/files/resources/capital-gains-tax.pdf

      • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

        The Republicans were rewarded with their economic stewardship in the late 1990s – they kept the Congress and won the White House in 2000.

        Democrats crow all they want.

    • TravisMonitor

      BINGO – You ARE correct sir. The Republican should NEVER ‘welcome’ tax increases but fight against them. They should be passing a bill in the lame duck session extending the Bush tax rates for 2 years and make that their position.

      • APA Guy

        Not this time…let them stamp their names to what is about to happen…ALL OF IT. Conservatives warned the country…Obama TOLD THEM he was going to raise taxes…now let the country live with it. We are under no obligation to save the nation from the stupidity of its vote.

        • celador2

          How do you think SPEAKER Boehner should conduct hiimself step by step?
          He holds a powerful position the designers of US meant to be able to check the president. He must interact with WH and make a case to the people whose money he watches and appropriates from time to time.
          Boehner is who we have and well, .

          • commonsenseobserver

            The founders didn’t design lots of things. They happened.

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            You are 100% right. They are being emotional and short-sighted in their belief that throwing in the towel is a good idea.

          • APA Guy

            You miss the point entirely, FT. It’s not “throwing in the towel”. It’s allowing the voting public and its “shifting demographics” to lose income, lose “free goodies”, and gain a harsh perspective on what Obama and the Democrats are REALLY about. Dems are not the Robin Hood low-information voters think they are…and now they can see that first-hand as Obama brings them HIS RECESSION.

      • streiff

        this is just lunacy. It will never see the light of day in the Senate and set up a fight over “tax cuts for the wealthy.” I don’t know where this silliness breeds but I’d burn its nest if I could find it.

        • APA Guy

          streiff for the win…it’s good! These pie in the sky ding dongs who think we’ll win a tax fight with Obama in the WH and a gaggle of idiot libs running the senate are smoking some really good (or bad) stuff at the keyboard.

          • commonsenseobserver

            And a mob of asylum inmates waiting to enter voting booths in 2014.

        • Jack_Savage

          I say we pull a George Costanza, and do everything the opposite way. Their heads will explode.

          • APA Guy

            Absolutely, Jack…let them have the expired Bush tax cuts they want and the deficit reduction they claimed to want during the election…and announce to the public whose idea it was every step of the way. They’ll be burned in effigy on a daily basis leading to 2014 and 2016.

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            I heard the same nonsense of “let Obama win and do everything he wants, he will screw it up and we’ll beat him in 2012″
            well guess what? He DID screw it up and no we didnt beat him. It just made the country worse.

        • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

          Extending current law does not cut taxes for anyone. But it does stop an unnecessary and unwarranted tax increase. And the whole POINT is that if and when we lose the battle it will be crystal clear that the Democrats’ insistence on higher taxes is responsible for all the economic malaise that ensues.

          I am all for the goal expressed in the headline – make the Democrats own the fiscal cliff. But they can only own it if we dont make our position to avoid tax increases clear. So the tactic suggested is the opposite of how to get what we want. It seems similar to the idiotic idea of Hannity and Boehner to pre-cave on amnesty.

          After 2004, when Bush won a close race and won the Congress, did the Democrats curl up in a fetal ball and decide to embrace every Republican idea? Did the pre-cave and offer up social security reform? The Democrats did the opposite after 2004…. they fought and gave no ground. To considerable political success and our detriment. We need to learn from how the Democrats operated and do the same. We can get back the Senate in 2014 if there are sharp differences, not if they can tag Republicans as for the very cliff.

          • commonsenseobserver

            Make our position clear- then abstain.

          • APA Guy

            We wouldn’t be “caving” on anything…just giving the public what it voted for. When they feel the pain and come crying to us to fix it, we may just get the tax reform we have craved for decades and more.

    • celador2

      Time for Boehner and his team to take to the airways and explain what they are doing and why.

  • MiamiDave

    I’m with you, APA. The House should say– rightly– that the cuts in the fiscal cliff were made law by the Obama White House…and so they’ll come into effect under the Obama White House. We cannot let the Democrats use tax cuts to hold us hostage on spending.

    • TravisMonitor

      Big mistaken thinking here.

      • APA Guy

        Wow…and the logic you used to support your counter argument was riveting, to say the least.

  • bobmark

    Let’em all vote “present”.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    What we have done in the last 4 years is totally gorge on massive over-spending.
    The cliff is a slight cut in spending and big increase in taxes. An analogy is a guy who is eating 10 big macs a day for a year ($3.8 trillion in spending a year, up from $2.7 trillion in 2007), is adding weight ($16 trillion!) and decides to suddenly stop it. Well,
    more like he has a new years resolution to ‘only’ eat 9 big macs a day. And go from borrowing money to pay for 5 of them to borrowing money to pay for 3 of them.

    This overspending has NOT helped the economy. We have had the worst recovery since WWII. Pathetic really.

    The stimulus failed to stimulate but left us with more debt; now the debt weighs and the deficits make it worse and the ratings agencies are in the wings. Higher taxes would cause a recession but that’s the one thing he is insisting upon. We have to tackle entitlements and have to have a plan to balance the budget, but Obama has no real proposal for either.

    Obama’s economic policies are really a shambles. given all that, there’s worse things than going off the fiscal cliff, as reality will hit us sooner or later. The best we could do is cut more spending and defer all tax increases. They are economically counterproductive.

    • sbradsha

      There have been 7 serious studies into the effect of the stimulus that all concluded that the stimulus did stimulate. They are:

      Feyrer and Sacerdote.
      Chodorow-Reich, Feiveson, Liscow, and Woolston.
      Wilson.
      Council of Economic Advisors.
      Oh and Reis.
      Blinder, Zandi
      CBO

      • commonsenseobserver

        Yes, yes, yes, we’ll give you everything you want.
        Tax hikes, porkulus, whatever.

        Elections have consequences, after all. If you say so, the stimulus did stimulate, so let’s just have more of whatever you want. EVERYTHING the American people voted for, they ought to get.

        • APA Guy

          555…yes indeed.

      • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

        Zandi?!? LOL.

        Look, without a doubt spending $700 billion will ‘stimulate’ some activity shortterm but even the CBO showed that the actual 10 year impact of the Stimulus would be negative:

        “In contrast to its positive near-term macroeconomic effects,
        ARRA will reduce output slightly in the long run, CBO estimates—by
        between zero and 0.2 percent after 2016″ -CBO, via link below

        Moreover, the studies, even among the ones you cite, have concluded a HUGE price tag in cost per job, of probably around $400K – $4 million per job. For example, this estimate based off the CBO numbers:

        http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/05/cbo-obama-stimulus-may-have-cost-as-much-as-4-1-million-a-job/
        ” That means the current cost-per-job created is somewhere between $4.1 million and $540,000.”

        See also:

        http://reason.com/blog/2012/08/21/more-stimulus-spending-madness-738000-fo

        Now we have an ongoing, never-to-be-paid-back debt drag thanks to the stimulus. Adding $1 trillion in debt for something that cost $500K to $1 million per jobs and would be a net economic negative over 10 years anyone is a failure. The WHOLE POINT of the stimulus under Keynesian theory was to ‘prime the pump’ for a recovery, Well it didnt prime much at all, as shown by sub 2% growth in the past year, and now we have a broken pump and a higher peacetime debt/GDP ratio than ever before in our history.

        More debt, lots of spending, pathetic result in terms of jobs, and a fiscal cliff. Best we can do now is cut the spending, hold the line on taxes, and suffer through 4 more years of Obama’s Depression.

        • sbradsha

          The AEI math is incorrect. It does not consider:
          That jobs were saved from 2009 to 2013
          The high fiscal multiplier associated with stimulus (vs tax cuts)
          That 1/3 of the ARRA cost was tax cuts
          The increased tax receipts from the GDP growth
          The cost of welfare saved

          • commonsenseobserver

            Sure. Let’s repeat it. With double the money.

            Anything you want.

            YOU. OWN. IT.

          • TravisMonitor

            .”The AEI math is incorrect.”
            It was CBO numbers, what you cited as a source, and I’ll take AEI over your wacky pro-Obama trolling. You are wrong that it wasnt counting 2009-2013 jobs, it was precisely how they got the jobs/$.

            “That 1/3 of the ARRA cost was tax cuts”
            That was the only part that did any good. The rest was worse than useless.

            “The increased tax receipts from the GDP growth”
            WTF… there has been no GDP growth! It’s been pathetic! That’s why we say the stimulus was a bust! A trillion dollars and the growth is worse in this recovery than in any previous recovery since WWII.

            Less than 2% growth. You can babble all you want about ‘multipliers’ but there was no real multiplication of economic activity, there was no ‘recovery summer’ the jobs were not created, so much for ‘shovel-ready’.

            The reason is simple – Govt spending programs do NOT create growth, it just shifts economic activity around. For every $1 of economic activity created, it stole $1 or even more in economic activity from either our own future or in a different part of the economic.

            http://www.aei.org/article/economics/brooks-why-the-stimulus-failed/

            “As just one example, consider the infamous “Cash for Clunkers” program,
            the $3 billion federal plan that allowed people to trade in an old car
            in exchange for about $4,000 off the purchase of a new one. The
            administration argued it would stimulate the U.S. economy and improve
            the environment. Critics saw it as a way for the government to prop up
            the car companies it had recently bailed out. But whatever the
            motivation, the program was a bust. Economists at the think tank
            Resources for the Future have found in a new study that the program did
            not stimulate the economy, and that 45 percent of the money went to
            people who would have bought a new car anyway. In other words, the
            administration could have cut out the overhead and simply handed out
            $1.35 billion to random people on the street. …

            As many economists have found, most government spending has relatively little effect on the economy, and any effects are generally short-lived. For example, Harvard economist Alberto Alesina and his colleagues show in a new National Bureau for Economic Research study across many countries that government spending has little connection to GDP growth, making spending cuts ideal for balancing budgets without provoking a recession — but this also means that spending does little to stimulate economies. Alesina finds, however, that tax changes have large macroeconomic effects; that is, tax increases reliably depress the economy.”

      • Finrod Felagund

        You could burn piles of money to stay warm, too, but you could stay warm in other ways that are much cheaper.

  • commonsenseobserver

    Yes, let it burn.

    Let the evil richie Booosh tax cuts all expire.

    • celador2

      Cut spending and that will be the real victory. DC never reduces the rate of spending and can not deal with debt.

      • APA Guy

        They’ll never do it, celador2. Right now they HAVE to cut spending. As for a tax battle, that is a flight of fantasy. We won’t win a tax fight when raving libs and their media buddies are stacked against us. Let THEM own what is about to happen. The public will be chomping at the bit to embrace conservatism subsequent to that point.

  • oldtownyankee

    I say bring on the fiscal cliff.

    • dpmaine

      It is very sad to say, but the best thing for the country in the long-term is to do absolutely nothing. Let sequestration take effect, let taxes go up, let unemployment benefits dry up, and let’s just go.

      Private sector debt cratered in 2008. As the result of a debt-bubble. The only reason we didn’t have a much sharper recession was that the GDP was propped up by deficit funded government spending.

      All of that leverage has to come out of the system, somehow.

  • TravisMonitor

    “Barack Obama campaigned on ending the “evil” Bush tax cuts, reducing
    wasteful spending, and giving everyone a “fair shot”. The much-dreaded
    “fiscal cliff” accomplishes each of those campaign promises. Therefore,
    House Republicans will allow the Bush tax cuts to expire, will agree to
    the across the board spending cuts as a result of the deficit reduction
    deal we made last session, and will advise the country to brace itself
    for the coming impact of Obamacare and its mandate/tax increases and
    $716 billion in Medicare cuts.”

    That is the stupidest thing the Speaker could POSSIBLE say.

    FIRST – It makes it sound like the Republicans will welcome economic pain, and the Democrats will milk that in elections to come.

    SECOND – IT GIVES THE DEMOCRATS WHAT THEY WANT – WHICH IS TO MAKE THE GOP THE TAX COLLECTORS FOR OBAMA’S SANTA CLAUS SPENDING.

    THIRD – Spending cuts will NOT happen if the Bush cuts expire. THE OPPOSITE. Adding more in taxes ALWAYS increases the spending. This has been studied and it has happened time and time again. The best way to cut spending is to simply hold the line on taxes and CUT SPENDING. That was the GOP position in 2011 and it should be the position today.

    • commonsenseobserver

      The people have voted for it, knowingly or unknowingly, and they should have it this time. We’ve been protecting them from their own choices since 2007.

      In fact, it’s not even about handling the fiscal crisis. It’s time to start thinking beyond managing decline.

      It is pointless to attempt to cut spending or keep taxes low, or to try and repeal Obamacare and onerous regulations, when the people are not fully behind us.

      Elections have consequences. Let it burn.

      • APA Guy

        BINGO, CSO…right on the money.

      • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

        “The people have voted for it, knowingly or unknowingly,”

        No, they voted for no such thing. Obama won 95% of blacks and 70% of other minorities because of a campaign of race-baiting. His ‘mandate’ is to keep birth control available, and a few other meaningless panders and ’4 more’…

        “Elections have consequences.”

        The Republicans won the House. The consequence of that is the opportunity and the DUTY to stand athwart the big government Obama Regime and say “NO!”

        “We’ve been protecting them from their own choices since 2007. ”

        Garbage. The Democrats owned everything in 2009 and 2010 and got their way. If Republicans protected soem voters by actually – you know – STANDING UP FOR GOOD PRINCIPLES, then they did what the voters sent them to DC to do. You are calling on the GOP Representatives to abandon their principles AND their voters. you are calling for the Republicans to be MORE CRAVEN NOW than back in 2009 when they really were the minority, and engage in politically unecessary acts of self-immolation. It’s an emotional and irrational response. and is politically stupid and policy-wise disastrous to throw in the towel.

        The GOP would destroy itself if it took such short-sighted and bad advice.

        It’s NEVER the wrong thing to stand on your principles and ALWAYS fight for them, whether you are in the majority or the minority. Fight on, never quit, never surrender.

        • APA Guy

          The GOP will be the refuge for the American voting public after the president and senate they put in power run their economy into the ground, FT. You know it…I know it…and yellowdog knows it.

          • celador2

            Raising debt ceiling and borrowing masks the damage and not many notices the debt or market weak spots.

          • APA Guy

            But that won’t happen when we fall off the cliff. Increased taxes + drastic cuts in spending = less printing and debt accumulation. Our dollar will actually be stronger as a result of falling off the fiscal cliff, but those on the gravy train will feel severe pain..and thus rethink their votes the next time around.

          • commonsenseobserver

            What happens to the army of new teachers and new bridges Obama promised, though?

          • celador2

            Boehner can explain the states fund education and even say the funding by Obama would be a pay back to teachers unions.

          • APA Guy

            They lose their jobs. The public sector is already bleeding jobs. Imagine what happens to these jobs after the cuts Obama agreed to last term/

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            yadda yadda – I heard the same bunk from some folks who thought it was GOOD that Obama won in 2008. Now, it was a freakin’ disaster. Even if McCain was no better on the economy, we’d have had 2 fewer leftists on SCOTUS.

            Likewise here, I refuse to accept this dumb idea that Republicans would be tax collecters for the Obama welfare state, which is exactly the result of letting the Bush tax cuts expire. Letting them expire doesnt do a darned thing to cut spending, but will only give the Dems more money to spend.

          • commonsenseobserver

            And wreck the economy at the same time.

            Of course, our resident trolls think tax hikes are good, so I say, give it to them.

          • APA Guy

            I never said it was good that Obama won…just that the country at this moment has no idea what his vision will do to their lives. He said he wanted to end the Bush tax cuts…said he wanted deficit reduction…and he agreed to the spending cuts to come. They voted him in…let voters taste his policies full force.

  • TravisMonitor

    Your approach of ‘let it burn’ is politically stupid and will put the Republicans on the hook for everything bad. the CORRECT thing for Speaker Boehner to say is this:

    “Barack
    Obama won his election, BUT WE WON OUR ELECTION, and whether it was the
    intention of any single voter or not, the result is a status quo result
    that will require us to work together. We campaigned on not raising
    taxes, and our goal and agenda is to avoid painful job-killing tax
    increases that would occur by ending the Bush tax cuts and implementing
    Obamacare taxes.

    We propose reducing wasteful spending, and
    therefore we believe that the sequestration needs to be replaced with
    equivalent spending cuts in FY 2013 or will need to go forward. we believe in giving everyone a “fair shot” so we will work to We
    beleive we need to reform taxes and entitlements, but that this
    complicated issue takes time, so we propose a one year moratorium on tax
    increases, both the Bush tax rates and the Obamacare tax increases,
    with the intention of dealing with tax, entitlement and budget reform in
    2013. We should set a goal to do that and to Pass FY 2014 budget by
    Sept 30. The much-dreaded “fiscal cliff” is nothing more than a fiscal
    tightening that will occur if we dont make wise choices. We will have to
    make hard choices anyway. If we cannot come to reasonable terms, we may
    face a fiscal cliff of tax increases. We will fight to avoid those tax
    increases now and will continue to fight to avoid them later. But we
    will not led our fear of automatic changes drive us to make a bad or
    unwise deal.

    These are complex matters so let us extend current law for 2 years rather than face the cliff, and take the time to craft a reasonable approach. Therefore, House
    Republicans will pass legislation based on our position and we urge the
    Senate and the President to work with us to put this in place and discuss solving our large deficits, entitlement spending, and overspending issues.

    if we unfortunately dont come to terms, we will advise the country to brace itself
    for the coming impact of Obamacare and its mandate/tax increases and
    $716 billion in Medicare cuts.”

    • APA Guy

      Nope…sorry…STUPID is getting into bed with Obama to bail him out of the horrid promises he made during the campaign and putting the country on the continued path to fiscal instability. We owe it to the voting public to give them what they demanded…a long leap off a DEEP cliff.

      • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

        I am not for bailing Obama out of anything. We stand for our principles and our position – we stand on no more tax increases and cut the deficit by cutting spending. If we can get agreement, great, if we cant, it explodes.

        • APA Guy

          Of course it explodes…it HAS to explode. It’s the only way the country that voted Obama back into office can gain a comprehensive understanding of the error of its judgment. Trust me, this will be better for the country in the LONG RUN, even if it hurts for a short while.

  • nycsteelerfan

    I think the republicans should “get in the back of the bus” and give Obama what ever he wants! I am NOT advocating the Republicans vote for it, just vote “present” like Obama was famous for doing! Let the country fall off the fiscal cliff..We will let Obama own it and we will NOT obstruct his “vision.” The day after election day, I took down my American Flag, burned on and cursed the American people for re-electing the $cumbag and his minions in the senate. To you born again christians, take your scripture and shove it! Yes, shove it! You cost us this election by NOT voting for Romney! I am tired of hearing how mormons are evil and will burn! Now, you have your anti-christ! How do you like that! I too am pro-life, anti gay marriage as Romney was/is..Yes, he was pro-choice at one time, but was Ronald Reagan and GHW Bush also..

    • celador2

      That post is an uncalled for personal attack on a group of people blaming them for Romney’s loss and it is not true and does not belong in this thread.

      • nycsteelerfan

        It is true! I spoke to a lot of then and they ALL had the same reaction! Answer this question, who are the three million republicans who did not vote this time around? Every Born again christian I know all said the Mormons are evil and going to hell. Tell me, does that sound like someone who voted for Romney??

        • nycsteelerfan

          BTW, I am NOT a mormon! I am a cathoilc and born agains also call me religiona “cult”

          • Bill S

            Bye, dumbass.

          • APA Guy

            Much appreciated, Bill.

        • celador2

          I know you do not mean that but feel had every voter who could have voted RR did then they would be headed for 1600 Penn Ave.

          . It is such a sweeping statement and not at all correct for the millions of Romney voters. Most Republican voters are Protestant evangelicals who turn out in large numbers. Billy Graham backed Romney and the south where most reside went heavy and early for RR. Kentucky was called a few hours before polls closed and it is almost all Evangelical. SC was heavy, the votes were there.

          All of our base could have done more than we did in voting. In that you are correct and the voters who did not may have been evangelical. If they refused they may have had a personal reason. I think most helped him though. He got within a pt of winning.

          We must make sure we get out the vote in 2014 and 2016. Romney was a good man who never drank, smoked or cussed. He did not drink coffee.. . Baptists appreciate that. Richard Land of SBC is a friend of Romney.

          • nycsteelerfan

            Huckabee also said that the Evangelicals would not come out in overwhelming numbers..

          • nycsteelerfan

            White catholics also vote heavy Republican, especially Italian Americans like myself. Ohio does have a big protestant evangelical base and not turn out in the numbers they should have. The mantra on their side is that they are tired of voting for Rinos. Billy Graham did endorse Romney, less than a week before the election! Big Deal!

      • nycsteelerfan

        Wake up and smell the coffee! I dislike the republican establishment almost as much as I hate dems..at least they are honest and hate our country and the reps go along to get along and get nothing in return!

  • garfieldjl

    The problem is I don’t think the Democrats will get stuck with the blame due to Obama’s 1000 press secretaries, until the American People realize that they are being lied to by the media, the Democrats will be able to continue getting away with what they are doing and Republicans are going to continue to be scape goats.

    • APA Guy

      garfield, they are running the show. I don’t care what the media says anymore…Obama is the president, and I don’t think he can play the “Bush recession” card again when recession (or worse) happens on HIS watch this time.

      • garfieldjl

        They were running the show these last four years and people are still believing the “It’s Bush’s fault,” B.S. People have to wake up about how the media is lieing to them, otherwise we’ll still get blamed.

        • APA Guy

          Again, I say to you that it won’t fly when the recession happens ON HIS WATCH. They can blame all they want…the voting public will blame Dems.

          • garfieldjl

            We never left the last recession, in fact it’s getting worse, people have been brainwashed into believing Fox News lies, other media outlets do not. We’re dealing with a bunch of people that are addicted to government pure and simple.

          • APA Guy

            Oh please…for how many summers did Obama tout a “recovery”? And yes, we DID leave the last recession…not so sure about the Obama recession to follow, though…may last several years.

      • TravisMonitor

        “I don’t care what the media says anymore..”
        If your point is getting Obama on the hook, then you do need to.

        Obama wants the middle class tax cut to continue and the rich to pay more.
        If the result is anything BUT THAT RESULT, the media will BLAME THE REPUBLICANS FOR SCREWING IT UP. That’s what happened in Aug 2011.

        The only way for Republicans to fight that is to be simple and clear: Here is what we stand for and this is what we want. Which is why I dont understand the ‘let it all expire’ talk – if Republicans act like they want it, the message is: “Republicans want middle class tax hikes.”

        OH … and it gets worse: Obama has 1000 press secretaries.
        We have Boehner and McConnell.

        Now, I agree that a “recession on his watch” will be laid at Obama’s feet … sorta. We thought he couldnt blame Bush after 4 years either. He did.

    • celador2

      SPEAKER Boehner needs to behave as if he is a co partner or junior partner not just one of many from House cutting a last minute deal.

      • APA Guy

        No, Speaker Boehner needs to NOT cut a deal. The fiscal cliff is less than two months away. Let the market tank…let Democrats scream. They;ll own this recession 100%, as it will have happened on THEIR WATCH and as a result of THEIR POLICIES.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Bravo Guy, especially given that I wrote a short column advocating much the same in the wee hours of the day after Election Day. Also heard a Rush read a good column by Arnold Ahlert advocating the same today. But, of course, I am re-thinking this radical proposal and most certainly those that oppose this strategy must be respected! After all, we control a branch of government and have a duty to fund current legal obligations under current law….but still thinking and loved your column brother.

    • APA Guy

      Much appreciated, my friend. Believe me when I tell you, I did not arrive at this conclusion lightly. But this country and its voters need to learn a lesson…particularly younger voters. Many of these nimrods think Obama is some sort of rock star or Moses parting the Red Sea. They’ll get an education when their Pell Grant money and other public assistance get slashed to the bone…and when student loan bills come due.

  • simplest

    Didn’t the Obama win Florida? Did you type this article atop the Capitol building?

  • http://www.bohnetlaw.com rightappeal

    I agree, though with the caveat that the House GOP should make clear that they are willing to re-enact some of the expiring measures if they are replaced by other measures of equal cost/value. I suspect Obama would be willing to make some nice deals to prevent people from discovering that the evil “Bush tax cuts for the rich” he’s been denouncing for the past decade actually keep alot of money in the pockets of middle income taxpayers.

  • belcatar

    Boehner already declared that “Obamacare is the law of the land”. Well, sir, if you’ve decided it’s finally time to start adhering to federal law, you could start with the “Fiscal Cliff”, which as far as I know, was passed by both houses of Congress and signed by President Obama into law. By doing nothing, you’re simply abiding by duly passed and signed law. Sounds like a winner to me.

    Come on, Barack. Let’s put her in to drive and hold hands! I hear the view is excellent for the first 500 meters.

  • belcatar

    The fiscal cliff is already law. If it was a bad law, they shouldn’t have passed it. If the President thought it was a bad law, he shouldn’t have signed it. But they did.So, let it happen. As a country, it’s time to live with the consequences of our choices.

    I think the message we sent to our government this election was this: Be as stupid, intractable, incompetent, spineless, craven, and self-serving as you want. It’s cool. We’ll re-elect you. All of you, pretty much. The last four years have produced absolutely nothing but misery, uncertainty, and division, but it’s probably just a phase.

    So, they wanted it, they got it.

    • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

      “If it was a bad law, they shouldn’t have passed it.”
      Huh? Practically everything the COngress has done in the last 6 years has been bad law. If it was a GOOD law, Harry Reid would have deep sixed it.

  • ficonlife

    What bill do you want lawmakers to vote “present” on? The House is run by our side. Just keep passing bills that make permanent all the Bush tax cuts. Pass a bill restoring needed military spending. Let Harry take the heat for refusing to allow votes on those bills. Why all the hand-wringing and gloom? All revenue raising bills must originate in the House. There is a pending challenge to Obamacare based on violation of that rule. Conservatives should get behind this challenge big time. Meanwhile, vote zero appropriations for enforcement of Obamacare or even to hire the new czars.

    Senate Republicans have a truly awesome responsibility about to fall on them. As Dick Morris, has so clearly warned, several dangerous treaties will be proposed by the demonic duo of Barack and Hillary to cede our sovereignty to the UN yahoos. It takes only 34 Senators to prevent this treason. WE have 45 Senators. No excuses here.

    • APA Guy

      They don’t have to vote on anything…just let things remain as they are. Either the country speeds off the cliff or Dems come begging in December and give us everything we want. Either way, we (and the country) win.

    • streiff

      you need to get a clue.

      If we pass a bill extending the tax cuts, the Senate can amend the bill. That sets up a fight over “tax cuts for the wealthy.”

      If we do nothing, the temporary tax rates lapse and the sequester kicks in. That,. by the way, is what we fought very hard for in 2010 so I don’t know why it is a bad idea now.

      You can’t give zero appropriations for czars. Czars are part of the Executive Office of the Presidency and the EOP can spend its appropriation any way it chooses. If the president tells a cabinet secretary or secretaries they have to answer to a czar in EOP they either do or they get replaced.

      • TravisMonitor

        I am ALL FOR letting the sequester just happen, BUT that is separate from the tax bill.

  • georgiawineguy

    “REAP THE WHIRLWIND, VOTING PUBLIC. YOU VOTED FOR WHAT US ABOUT TO HAPPEN.” (?) I’d like to re-post this article, but could you simply proofread your own own work before you post it?

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