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	<title>Comments on: Rush to Judgement: The Penn State Fiasco</title>
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		<title>By: barleycorn</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/barleycorn/2012/07/24/rush-to-judgement-the-penn-state-fiasco/#comment-932</link>
		<dc:creator>barleycorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2012 03:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over at Powerline, Paul Mirengoff and an unnamed friend of his that is &quot;a top-notch lawyer and former federal prosecutor&quot; have read the Freeh Report and concluded that it deeply flawed especially where Joe Paterno is concerned. 

Neither of them, nor I, hold Paterno guiltless. There is universal agreement that he should have done more. Paterno himself said the same thing. But the current public gutting of Paterno and others goes well beyond what the evidence gathered so far shows.  

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/07/the-case-against-joe-paterno-part-two.php

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/07/the-case-against-joe-paterno-weak-to-non-existent-on-the-current-record.php]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over at Powerline, Paul Mirengoff and an unnamed friend of his that is &#8220;a top-notch lawyer and former federal prosecutor&#8221; have read the Freeh Report and concluded that it deeply flawed especially where Joe Paterno is concerned. </p>
<p>Neither of them, nor I, hold Paterno guiltless. There is universal agreement that he should have done more. Paterno himself said the same thing. But the current public gutting of Paterno and others goes well beyond what the evidence gathered so far shows.  </p>
<p>http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/07/the-case-against-joe-paterno-part-two.php</p>
<p>http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/07/the-case-against-joe-paterno-weak-to-non-existent-on-the-current-record.php</p>
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		<title>By: barleycorn</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/barleycorn/2012/07/24/rush-to-judgement-the-penn-state-fiasco/#comment-931</link>
		<dc:creator>barleycorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Not only punishing the guilty, an the entire school and its community are treated as accomplices to the crimes. I really don]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not only punishing the guilty, an the entire school and its community are treated as accomplices to the crimes. I really don</p>
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		<title>By: barleycorn</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/barleycorn/2012/07/24/rush-to-judgement-the-penn-state-fiasco/#comment-930</link>
		<dc:creator>barleycorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m generally in agreement with your statements. This time we disagree.

My opinions expressed in this diary are clearly just that: Opinion.

Stating that I will not be shocked if the Freeh Report is long on speculation is hardly a &quot;brash assertion&quot;.  Its a statement of fact because I will not be shocked if the Freeh Report is eventually revealed to be long on speculation.

Equating my opinion (speculation if you wish) expressed here, with the Freeh Report is an inapt comparison. The Freeh Report is the result of a quasi official investigation that is now being used to bludgeon the reputations of a few and threaten the livelihood of many. My diary is just my opinion. Furthermore it is my opinion about the PROCESS, not my opinion as to the guilt or innocence of any party.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m generally in agreement with your statements. This time we disagree.</p>
<p>My opinions expressed in this diary are clearly just that: Opinion.</p>
<p>Stating that I will not be shocked if the Freeh Report is long on speculation is hardly a &#8220;brash assertion&#8221;.  Its a statement of fact because I will not be shocked if the Freeh Report is eventually revealed to be long on speculation.</p>
<p>Equating my opinion (speculation if you wish) expressed here, with the Freeh Report is an inapt comparison. The Freeh Report is the result of a quasi official investigation that is now being used to bludgeon the reputations of a few and threaten the livelihood of many. My diary is just my opinion. Furthermore it is my opinion about the PROCESS, not my opinion as to the guilt or innocence of any party.</p>
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		<title>By: barleycorn</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/barleycorn/2012/07/24/rush-to-judgement-the-penn-state-fiasco/#comment-929</link>
		<dc:creator>barleycorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You lie.

I compared no one to Hitler.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You lie.</p>
<p>I compared no one to Hitler.</p>
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		<title>By: mbecker908</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/barleycorn/2012/07/24/rush-to-judgement-the-penn-state-fiasco/#comment-928</link>
		<dc:creator>mbecker908</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 03:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and welcome back from your lurking.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and welcome back from your lurking.  <img src='http://www.redstate.com/barleycorn/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: poorwilber</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/barleycorn/2012/07/24/rush-to-judgement-the-penn-state-fiasco/#comment-927</link>
		<dc:creator>poorwilber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 01:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The professional teams would be compeled to sponsor their own farm league,  thereby removing the stain of corruption from college football back into big money professional football racket where it breeds. Take the big money out, and put the sport back in college athletics.

Imagine, coaches actually coaching amateur atheletes who are honestly there to receive an education.   Get rid of all the &quot;Outdoor Leasure&quot; degrees that pollute University academic programs.

I&#039;m dreaming of course.   I&#039;ve stopped watching professional NFL thugs and various ex-cons play on Sundays and Mondays, and college is becoming almost as dismal.

Not only punishing the guilty, an the entire school and its community are treated as accomplices to the crimes.   I really don&#039;t know if the Penn State consequence was too extreme or too little.  All I know is something had to be done, and so I guess something was.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The professional teams would be compeled to sponsor their own farm league,  thereby removing the stain of corruption from college football back into big money professional football racket where it breeds. Take the big money out, and put the sport back in college athletics.</p>
<p>Imagine, coaches actually coaching amateur atheletes who are honestly there to receive an education.   Get rid of all the &#8220;Outdoor Leasure&#8221; degrees that pollute University academic programs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m dreaming of course.   I&#8217;ve stopped watching professional NFL thugs and various ex-cons play on Sundays and Mondays, and college is becoming almost as dismal.</p>
<p>Not only punishing the guilty, an the entire school and its community are treated as accomplices to the crimes.   I really don&#8217;t know if the Penn State consequence was too extreme or too little.  All I know is something had to be done, and so I guess something was.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill S</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/barleycorn/2012/07/24/rush-to-judgement-the-penn-state-fiasco/#comment-926</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 00:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First you say:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Conservatives should be better than this. Conservatives should be able and willing to step back from the emotion and insist on sober investigation&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then you proceed to say:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I haven]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First you say:</p>
<blockquote><p>Conservatives should be better than this. Conservatives should be able and willing to step back from the emotion and insist on sober investigation</p></blockquote>
<p>Then you proceed to say:</p>
<blockquote><p>I haven</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: runner12</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/barleycorn/2012/07/24/rush-to-judgement-the-penn-state-fiasco/#comment-923</link>
		<dc:creator>runner12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 00:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[with portions of what you wrote. I was uncomfortable with the advocation by some for the death penalty for Penn State. It seemed like punishment by collective guilt that did comparitively little to harm those were guilty (they are all gone), while inflicting the maximum punishment on those who had no knowledge of the crimes. As a conservative, I had a problem with this line of reasoning.

Where I disagree with you is that the NCAA acted in haste. They have been looking into this since the beginning, it just has not been as widely reported. It is true that they did not go the usual route through the Infractions Committe. This was because they already had the criminal investigation into Sandusky and the Freeh report. To waste a year (which is how long it usually takes) and more money to conduct their own investigation would have been redundant. 

Remember, that Penn State commissioned the Freeh Report themselves. It is rather difficult to argue against the use of the report by the NCAA under these circumstances. I think the NCAA did the right thing in this case. They took away the wins by Paterno, fined the university 60 million dollars, and banned them from bowl games for four or five years and any other post-season play.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with portions of what you wrote. I was uncomfortable with the advocation by some for the death penalty for Penn State. It seemed like punishment by collective guilt that did comparitively little to harm those were guilty (they are all gone), while inflicting the maximum punishment on those who had no knowledge of the crimes. As a conservative, I had a problem with this line of reasoning.</p>
<p>Where I disagree with you is that the NCAA acted in haste. They have been looking into this since the beginning, it just has not been as widely reported. It is true that they did not go the usual route through the Infractions Committe. This was because they already had the criminal investigation into Sandusky and the Freeh report. To waste a year (which is how long it usually takes) and more money to conduct their own investigation would have been redundant. </p>
<p>Remember, that Penn State commissioned the Freeh Report themselves. It is rather difficult to argue against the use of the report by the NCAA under these circumstances. I think the NCAA did the right thing in this case. They took away the wins by Paterno, fined the university 60 million dollars, and banned them from bowl games for four or five years and any other post-season play.</p>
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		<title>By: leftylurker</title>
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		<dc:creator>leftylurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 00:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ped. State...

=)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ped. State&#8230;</p>
<p>=)</p>
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		<title>By: sulmak</title>
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		<dc:creator>sulmak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 00:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[because he stated under oath that he did not know of any allegations or incidents before the 2001 shower incident(&quot;I do not know of anything else that Jerry would be involved in of that nature, no,&quot;), and emails were found from 1998 implying knowledge of another investigation against Sandusky at that time.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/story/_/id/8164487/legal-experts-say-joe-paterno-faced-charges-freeh-report

Other than that I don&#039;t know. Haven&#039;t looked into it much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>because he stated under oath that he did not know of any allegations or incidents before the 2001 shower incident(&#8220;I do not know of anything else that Jerry would be involved in of that nature, no,&#8221;), and emails were found from 1998 implying knowledge of another investigation against Sandusky at that time.</p>
<p>http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/story/_/id/8164487/legal-experts-say-joe-paterno-faced-charges-freeh-report</p>
<p>Other than that I don&#8217;t know. Haven&#8217;t looked into it much.</p>
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