Property taxes are way up this year. Property values are still dropping. It’s a double-whammy to anyone who owns a home in the United States, destroying the middle class.
From today’s Wall Street Journal:
ECONOMY DECEMBER 24, 2010
Pensions Push Taxes Higher
Cities Tap Homeowners for Revenue as Workers’ Retirement, Health Costs Rise
By JEANNETTE NEUMANN
Cities across the nation are raising property taxes, largely citing rising pension and health-care costs for their employees and retirees.
Not a new story to me. I saw this coming in my home of New York a long, long time ago. Today’s WSJ story has a few hundred comments and many links to it
In Pennsylvania, the township of Upper Moreland is bumping up property taxes for residents by 13.6% in 2011. Next door the city of Philadelphia this year increased the tax 9.9%. In New York, Saratoga Springs will collect 4.4% more in property taxes in 2011; Troy will increase taxes by 1.9%.
Property-tax increases aren’t unusual, in part because the taxes are among the main sources of local revenue. But officials say more and larger increases are taking hold. “This year we have seen a dramatic increase in our cities and towns having to increase property taxes” for pensions and other expenses, said Jack Garner, executive director of the Pennsylvania League of Cities and Municipalities.
OK, so property taxes are going up. At least your property values are rising, right? Well, no.
From Zero Hedge:
Guest Post: House Values Fall 30%, But Property Taxes Keep Rising
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 12/22/2010 17:42 -0500
Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds
House Values Fall 30%, But Property Taxes Keep RisingEven though home values have plummeted by a third, property taxes are increasing: welcome to the Great Middle Class Squeeze.
You might think that with home prices off by 30% or more since the housing/credit bubble popped in 2006, property taxes would have declined by a similar percentage. But you’d be wrong: they’ve gone up. As if the massive reduction in home equity wasn’t enough of a blow to the Middle Class, they’re also paying higher property taxes.
Though house prices have declined roughly 30% nationally since the 2006 peak of the housing bubble, property taxes have continued their decade-long rise, jumping $45 billion (over 10%) since 2008.
Wait a minute! This was the most productive session of Congress ever! Nancy Pelosi is a hero! Barack Obama is a savior! So how come things are so bad?
In northern New Jersey, property taxes are rising by as much as 12% in some municipalities, after skyrocketing 80% over the past decade, far outstripping the consumer price index (31% rise) and household incomes (up 24%).
NJ Governor Chris Christie is doing the right thing, but do people have to wait so long to do the right thing? Did the hole have to be dug this deep?
Local governments should go back to the revenues and budgets of pre-bubble years, but instead they are jacking up rates to maintain revenues, even as valuations have fallen off a cliff. Bubble-era prices and equity are gone, it seems, but bubble-era property taxes are here to stay.
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Property taxes, meanwhile, have far outstripped inflation, soaring from $247 billion in 2000 to $476 billion in 2010–a gargantuan increase of $229 billion, or 92%.
Read the whole thing.
Here in the Austin, Texas area, property tax increases are the standard operating procedure. School budgets regularly increase. The head of Austin’s schools is as well paid as the head of New York City’s schools, and she gets a large bonus if she just does her job.
Obama in 2008: “You won’t see your taxes increase one dime!”
Yeah, not a dime. He’s printing trillions, making existing money worthless. Our homes are worth less and are being taxed more. (But oh, that’s local taxes and they don’t count.)
SUMMARY
Take your victory laps, President Obama. Have a happy vacation (again). You deserve it.
The rest of us, however, are in trouble.
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This 111th once again has shown the Middle Class...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, December 25th at 9:35AM EDT (link)that they are NOTHING but the taxed enough already crowd. The ONLY beneficiaries of this Congress were the wealthy and the poor who got MORE government programs for FREE off the backs of the Middle Class working man and woman. Democrats do not care about the Middle Class they never have been and the FLAT TAX will even out the tax code for ALL Americans!
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The flat tax is the only fair tax
d_lamar Saturday, December 25th at 2:00PM EDT (link)I totally agree with your statement that the flat tax will even out the tax code. It is the only fair way to raise revenue.
Every dollar earned, whether one dollar or a million dollars should be subject to the same tax rate, without exceptions or exemptions. Also, any benefit received from the government (tax payers) should be subject to the same rate. Food stamps, housing allowances, etc. should be subject to the tax.
Maybe then the poor would be interested in what the tax rate is, without being obsessed about raising the taxes on the rich.
I would like to see a constitutional amendment be adopted which would repeal the 16th amendment and impose a flat tax on all income, with a maximum of 10%.
Nope...
Jim Tomasik (Diary) Saturday, December 25th at 2:06PM EDT (link)The FairTax is the only true flat tax.
you could at least post a link to the FairTax...
acat (Diary) Saturday, December 25th at 3:20PM EDT (link)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax
Wiki seems to do a decent, link-rich job of explaining the pros and cons.
I’d rather see the FairTax without a rebate, just a lower overall rate. The imbeciles in congress won’t leave well enough alone … so why hand ‘em another government handout to play “class warfare” with?
Mew
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The Fair Tax is not a flat tax.
d_lamar Saturday, December 25th at 4:51PM EDT (link)It is full of exemptions and exceptions which allow the government who pays what and how much. IMHO, no tax is fair unless it provides that everyone pays proportionally to their income.
The Fair Tax is a great way to hide the real amount of taxes that people pay, similar to the taxes now in your telephone bill. No one understands it, and really cares. It just becomes part of your phone bill.
A flat tax, without automatic employer withholding, would force everyone to pay, and they would know what they’re paying, because they would have to send it in to the IRS each pay period.
Bingo! We have a winner. nt
mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, December 25th at 5:02PM EDT (link)What a fantasy to imagine canning 90% of the IRS. Nt
Common_Cents (Diary) Saturday, December 25th at 9:15PM EDT (link)“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
15000 agents for Obamacare
leehazel Sunday, December 26th at 2:09PM EDT (link)A reduction of the 15000 IRS agents we were told was necessary to implement and watch over Obamacare.
This should be a “slam dunk” for the new congress to defund the IRS by that amount. This would have the effect of crippling one of the more egregious parts of Obamcare, The one requiring these agents to examine Tax Returns for compliance to the financially related mandates of Obamacare.
The EPA, the DHS and the Dept. of Education should also feel the heavy hand of our congressional watchdogs as they actually use their constitutional “power of the purse” to benefit We The People
What the heck, we can still dream can’t we??
Exactly the problem with all VATs ... see also Cook County, IL.
acat (Diary) Saturday, December 25th at 9:24PM EDT (link)The VAT, and the FairTax is just a VAT with a couple extra tacky, senseless fleur de lis stamped on it, becomes invisible to the common man. It’s no different from a sales tax… which brings me to Cook County, IL.
Cook County, for those not in the know, is the county Chicago is located in, as well as some other suburbs. As of a year or two ago, they had the highest sales tax in the country, a whopping 11%. There were protests when it was passed, but .. over time, the people have mostly shrugged and shuffled along their way.
I don’t see how a VAT, or the FairTax, would be any different than granting the Congress a right to pick our pockets, only in a less clearly perceptible way.
Mew
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A flat income tax only taxes people who choose to work
Jim Tomasik (Diary) Sunday, December 26th at 10:25AM EDT (link)and not those who chose to consume without working. There is no flat income tax proposal that I know of that only has one level of tax. Therefore, it is NOT flat.
I was not aware of the FairTax being FULL of extensions… That is news to me.
The Fair Tax
Scope (Diary) Sunday, December 26th at 11:23AM EDT (link)plan exempts those earning up to the poverty level from having to pay any of the taxes, via prebates. Those that choose not to work therefore would not be paying their “Fair” share, if that was what you were getting at.
The flat tax would have 2 rates. I’ve heard 10% and 25% suggested as the 2 rates. If you use the fair tax form, you cannot take any deductions, but, the exemption amounts are increased.
I agree with d lamar above, except I would say make the payment requirement monthly or even quarterly. Some people must pay quarterly estimated taxes now. I don’t want to see a need for any more IRS workers because of increased activity.
Hey Jim, write a diary about FairTax.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, December 26th at 12:00PM EDT (link)Include specifics about how it gets implemented.
The FairTax will never fly.
mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, December 25th at 4:57PM EDT (link)First of all, it requires a constitutional amendment.
Secondly, the idea that we could go to a FairTax now and repeal it if the 16th doesn’t get repealed is a fools errand. There’s no way it makes sense to completely overhaul the tax system hoping that 16 will be repealed.
The flat income tax will never fly.
Jim Tomasik (Diary) Sunday, December 26th at 10:26AM EDT (link)We already have proof of that don’t we?
Where?
Scope (Diary) Sunday, December 26th at 11:28AM EDT (link)When was the flat tax ever tried?
Works well where it's been tried.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, December 26th at 12:03PM EDT (link)And it’s NEVER been tried in the US. Ever. Flat tax has no deductions or exemptions and has one, count ‘em, one tax rate across the board.
The things to quibble about with the flat tax would be withholding or not, and corporate income tax – which I would eliminate.
Tax free obamavilles
Common_Cents (Diary) Saturday, December 25th at 10:13AM EDT (link)I’m visiting ft myers FL for Christmas and read about obamaville permanent tent cities set up in the woods by the newly unemployed homeless over the past couple years, thanks to Obama admin policies.
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
And this is just the very tip of the iceberg Barry.
mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, December 25th at 6:12PM EDT (link)Real estate is still overvalued by something on the order of at least 25% in major markets. Jurisdictions that base their revenue on property tax are in deep doo-doo. And Texas or New Jersey are nothing compared to California where Property Tax is constitutionally limited.
yes! One of the main mistakes of the feds and state govts has been
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, December 25th at 9:06PM EDT (link)to impede the reaching of the bottom on housing prices. No recovery of any consequence can emerge until then.
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com and Charlotte Observer columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
And throwing a Stimulapalooza party under a TARP ....
acat (Diary) Saturday, December 25th at 9:30PM EDT (link)without addressing the fundamental economic problems results in more government debt and no recovery.
The only silver lining I can find is that it’s pretty unlikely Obama will be able to run on having saved the economy in 2012… but I’ve got fillings with more silver than that.
Going to be a bumpy couple of years, folks.
Mew
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Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, December 25th at 9:43PM EDT (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com and Charlotte Observer columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson