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		<title>By: &#187; Ben_Domenech’s blog » Biden FTW! :: Joe Biden On Best Political Blogs: News And Info On Joe Biden</title>
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		<description>[...] blog » Biden FTW! ::      Posted in December 11th, 2008  by  in Uncategorized Ben_Domenech’s blog » Biden FTW! :: Biden is a “reassure people” pick, not a Hope pick, and certainly not a Change pick. Say it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dan_McLaughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/ben_domenech/2008/08/23/biden-ftw/#comment-191</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rbdwiggins</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How many Democrats preempted or flat-out rejected Obama before Biden accepted the veep slot?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: phunwin</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/ben_domenech/2008/08/23/biden-ftw/#comment-189</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I keep hearing Biden's "working class roots" played up all over the place.  I find this to be comical in the extreme.  He's been in the Senate well over half his life (the ultimate in privileged, white-collar work), and was an attorney and county councilman before that.  He passed the bar exam in 1969 and was elected to the Senate in 1972, so basically he had a real job for all of three of his 65 years.  I guess the media's definition of working class roots differs from my own. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Biden's dad was a car salesman in his youth, so I guess the family lived paycheck to paycheck.  Okay, fine, the roots are working class...but the rest of the tree is as privileged as it gets.  &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep hearing Biden&#8217;s &#8220;working class roots&#8221; played up all over the place.  I find this to be comical in the extreme.  He&#8217;s been in the Senate well over half his life (the ultimate in privileged, white-collar work), and was an attorney and county councilman before that.  He passed the bar exam in 1969 and was elected to the Senate in 1972, so basically he had a real job for all of three of his 65 years.  I guess the media&#8217;s definition of working class roots differs from my own. </p>
<p>Biden&#8217;s dad was a car salesman in his youth, so I guess the family lived paycheck to paycheck.  Okay, fine, the roots are working class&#8230;but the rest of the tree is as privileged as it gets.  </p>
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		<title>By: olderthangandalf</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/ben_domenech/2008/08/23/biden-ftw/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>olderthangandalf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I said he was the best of the finalists.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A couple of them - Kaine, Sebelius - have no track record of success, allowing the inexperience meme to resonate even more.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One - Bayh - enrages the netroots, for reasons that are not entirely clear to me, and Obama doesn't want that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hillary would have been idiocy for a million reasons, and would have brought headaches galore for the entire time the partnership lasted.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for Biden's negatives, the negatives Biden has matter a lot less when paired up with Obama. Are people really going to not vote for Obama because Biden made a couple of racially insensitive remarks? Don't think so. If he were heading the ticket, that would matter, or if he were running with almost anyone else, but Obama gives him cover.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for the wealth of stupid comments and skeletons, yeah, but the question is how much people are really going to care.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And then there are the positives. He's from Scranton, which is going to help with Pennsylvania - maybe put it out of reach if it helps Obama get a solid turnout from working class north eastern Pennsylvania. He's got a son going to Iraq in October, which is going to matter to some people. More importantly, he seems normal, regular, solid, and Obama badly needs a dose of that right now.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Given the structural constraints, it will require a stroke of genius for McCain to emerge from the VP pick as well off. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;None of which means we shouldn't have some fun with Biden, or that we shouldn't take every opportunity to try to pigeonhole him before the Democrats get their own chance. McCain was very, very smart to have ads ready to go even before the formal announcement. It just means that we would have had even more fun with some of the other picks.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said he was the best of the finalists.</p>
<p>A couple of them - Kaine, Sebelius - have no track record of success, allowing the inexperience meme to resonate even more.</p>
<p>One - Bayh - enrages the netroots, for reasons that are not entirely clear to me, and Obama doesn&#8217;t want that.</p>
<p>Hillary would have been idiocy for a million reasons, and would have brought headaches galore for the entire time the partnership lasted.</p>
<p>As for Biden&#8217;s negatives, the negatives Biden has matter a lot less when paired up with Obama. Are people really going to not vote for Obama because Biden made a couple of racially insensitive remarks? Don&#8217;t think so. If he were heading the ticket, that would matter, or if he were running with almost anyone else, but Obama gives him cover.</p>
<p>As for the wealth of stupid comments and skeletons, yeah, but the question is how much people are really going to care.</p>
<p>And then there are the positives. He&#8217;s from Scranton, which is going to help with Pennsylvania - maybe put it out of reach if it helps Obama get a solid turnout from working class north eastern Pennsylvania. He&#8217;s got a son going to Iraq in October, which is going to matter to some people. More importantly, he seems normal, regular, solid, and Obama badly needs a dose of that right now.</p>
<p>Given the structural constraints, it will require a stroke of genius for McCain to emerge from the VP pick as well off. </p>
<p>None of which means we shouldn&#8217;t have some fun with Biden, or that we shouldn&#8217;t take every opportunity to try to pigeonhole him before the Democrats get their own chance. McCain was very, very smart to have ads ready to go even before the formal announcement. It just means that we would have had even more fun with some of the other picks.</p>
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		<title>By: CV_Gas</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 07:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;if his internal polling was telling him that Delaware was in trouble!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Strelnikov</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 07:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;See my post on this (Obamaramdingdogn Misses Again): they do not want anyone stealing the lenses from Obama.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Biden's baggage is irrelevant: he is more boring than McCain, so the focus will remain on the Second Coming and the Ataxalypse of Fairness!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See my post on this (Obamaramdingdogn Misses Again): they do not want anyone stealing the lenses from Obama.</p>
<p>Biden&#8217;s baggage is irrelevant: he is more boring than McCain, so the focus will remain on the Second Coming and the Ataxalypse of Fairness!</p>
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		<title>By: ConservaGeek</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 07:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Biden is a terrible choice, for several reasons.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Biden:&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Has been a vocal critic of Obama. Remember the "Presidency is not a place for on-the-job training" comment?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is hardly likely to excite the younger crowd. The guy is 65 years old, for cryin' out loud!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is not a logical messenger of Obama's "HopeChange" message. He's been in the Senate, literally, since John McCain was a guest at the Hanoi Hilton.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Has so many skeletons one closet can't hold them all, including the plagiarism charge.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Makes me wonder if the GOP has someone in Obama's campaign, whispering ideas in Senator I AM's ear.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Has been a vocal critic of Obama. Remember the &#8220;Presidency is not a place for on-the-job training&#8221; comment?</p>
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<p>Is hardly likely to excite the younger crowd. The guy is 65 years old, for cryin&#8217; out loud!</p>
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<p>Is not a logical messenger of Obama&#8217;s &#8220;HopeChange&#8221; message. He&#8217;s been in the Senate, literally, since John McCain was a guest at the Hanoi Hilton.</p>
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<p>Has so many skeletons one closet can&#8217;t hold them all, including the plagiarism charge.</p>
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<p>Makes me wonder if the GOP has someone in Obama&#8217;s campaign, whispering ideas in Senator I AM&#8217;s ear.</p>
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		<title>By: olderthangandalf</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 06:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I kind of thought it would be Biden (calling it when others thought Kaine), and I think he's far from the worst pick Obama could have made.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;He's a regular guy, or at least comes off that way, which is something the Obama campaign needs. He's been around Washington forever, and even if he puts foot in mouth with regularity, he's not on anyone's list of idiot Senators. He wants it, badly, and will probably be a team player. If Obama gets elected, he can be the bridge to the hill Obama will need to not be another Jimmy Carter. Most importantly of all, his pick is not going to anger and send home any important block of Democratic voters.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All along, though, I've thought McCain had the tougher task in picking a VP than Obama had. Obama just had to avoid a Thomas Eagleto pick. McCain has to pick someone that all three legs of the Republican coalition will support. That's not going to be easy. &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kind of thought it would be Biden (calling it when others thought Kaine), and I think he&#8217;s far from the worst pick Obama could have made.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s a regular guy, or at least comes off that way, which is something the Obama campaign needs. He&#8217;s been around Washington forever, and even if he puts foot in mouth with regularity, he&#8217;s not on anyone&#8217;s list of idiot Senators. He wants it, badly, and will probably be a team player. If Obama gets elected, he can be the bridge to the hill Obama will need to not be another Jimmy Carter. Most importantly of all, his pick is not going to anger and send home any important block of Democratic voters.</p>
<p>All along, though, I&#8217;ve thought McCain had the tougher task in picking a VP than Obama had. Obama just had to avoid a Thomas Eagleto pick. McCain has to pick someone that all three legs of the Republican coalition will support. That&#8217;s not going to be easy. </p>
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		<title>By: MikeO</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 03:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I've just bookmarked your comment, gensec.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thank you very much for so perfectly and succinctly articulating what has been eating me for months.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Thank you very much for so perfectly and succinctly articulating what has been eating me for months.</p>
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		<title>By: speciallist</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 03:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Special Open Thread # 4 
by DarkSxxx 
Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:04:14 AM PDT
Attention readers: when the cable news networks broke the story on Obama's VP pick, it somehow means Obama broke his word to text us with the news.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!&lt;/p&gt;
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by DarkSxxx<br />
Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:04:14 AM PDT<br />
Attention readers: when the cable news networks broke the story on Obama&#8217;s VP pick, it somehow means Obama broke his word to text us with the news.</p>
<p>Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: gamecock</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 03:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hit the pumps and people started noticing the difference in price between Lesuer peas and Kroger brand!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: gamecock</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 03:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would love to see the American people see the contrast between Michael Steele as VP vs Obama as Presidenthahaha. Seriously, can anyone really say President Obama without laughing?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Ben_Domenech</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben_Domenech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 03:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;On all counts.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Rushjr79</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 03:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Trouble ahead for the &lt;a href="http://www.edwardsreport.com"&gt;Dems.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: BigGator5</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 03:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Will Smith, unfit to be President? I don't think so. Smith owns his own company, Treyball Development Inc along with his brother and he's been a Producer  on a couple of movies. Will Smith most likely has more experience in his pinky than Obama. I would vote for him any day of the week!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: gamecock</title>
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		<title>By: speciallist</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;n/p&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: gensec</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Joe Biden does not believe that America is a bad idea. This fact, of course, separates him from most liberal Democrats&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Joe Biden is a joke and a terrible candidate, and that aspect is what got me laughing over Obama's choosing him. But I agree with you, I don't think Biden has the underlying resentment toward our supposedly sick American culture that eats at so many liberals. And whatever low blows he threw at Bork and Thomas, there was some minimal level of respect for democratic principles that he wouldn't cross in his pursuit of their defeat. Whatever resentments (well justified) that people with long memories still have about those nominations, I'd ask wasn't it still far fairer than what his successor as Judiciary chairman has done? Biden at least gave them a vote.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It's unfortunate that we can't take that level of Americanism for granted among our opposing party's candidates, as we rip into them for lesser failings in the hardball of electoral politics. But sadly, the Democratic party has sunk to the state where Biden is exceptional in that respect.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That said, Biden is still a joke as a prospective VP, the proverbial heartbeat from the Presidency (though nowhere near the joke of Obama as President), and will make a pitiful candidate. I look forward to Romney slicing him to bits in the VP debate.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Joe Biden is a joke and a terrible candidate, and that aspect is what got me laughing over Obama&#8217;s choosing him. But I agree with you, I don&#8217;t think Biden has the underlying resentment toward our supposedly sick American culture that eats at so many liberals. And whatever low blows he threw at Bork and Thomas, there was some minimal level of respect for democratic principles that he wouldn&#8217;t cross in his pursuit of their defeat. Whatever resentments (well justified) that people with long memories still have about those nominations, I&#8217;d ask wasn&#8217;t it still far fairer than what his successor as Judiciary chairman has done? Biden at least gave them a vote.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that we can&#8217;t take that level of Americanism for granted among our opposing party&#8217;s candidates, as we rip into them for lesser failings in the hardball of electoral politics. But sadly, the Democratic party has sunk to the state where Biden is exceptional in that respect.</p>
<p>That said, Biden is still a joke as a prospective VP, the proverbial heartbeat from the Presidency (though nowhere near the joke of Obama as President), and will make a pitiful candidate. I look forward to Romney slicing him to bits in the VP debate.</p>
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		<title>By: gamecock</title>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;that issued shermanesque statements and so removed themselves from being the first to refuse to join McGovern II&lt;/p&gt;
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